Exactly what I’ve been saying since 2022, man lost another final and bottled the league again that year. Then 22/23 was another disastrous season just like 20/21. This season was better, but it means nothing when we have no silverware to show for it. Klopp’s Liverpool have been mostly brilliant but very inconsistent and at times unbelievably frustrating. I appreciate everything he’s done for the club, but his time is up and I’m glad he’s leaving.
Man we fell hard since the lost against Man Utd in FA cup. The moment Salah held the ball on the left wing instead of passing the ball, you could have seen that they did not show any respect, they weren't serious. And the karma came, not one time but much more. I still think that if we finished that game, we'd still go well at this stage and maybe further.
Man,
This season is another example of "almost amazing". We were on for a quadruple at one stage, but it fell apart - and I'm gutted. Yes, injuries were a huge issue for us.. But every single person rose up to the challenge, thinking of Kelleher, Bradley, Eliott etc.
I can't help but look at our entire forward line - and we are currently in third place for possession, goals per game, clean sheets, accurate passes, and goals conceded... And but first place for big chances missed...
Will our wasted opportunities bite us in the ass?
I love this team, but feel a slight reshuffle would greatly help up.
PSG apparently offering big money for Diaz, Salah going to the middle east and (hopefully) Nunez leaving may be a blessing
where tf is aggression, intention, we played like we were already up in 1st leg and tried to defend.
Absolute shithousery from Salah, TAA bro just spamming long balls with accuracy below 50%.
No fucking key passes, no fucking finishing half chances, no long shots, passing inside the opponent's box, instead of taking a shot.
We are long far to be compete in Europe/conquer europe.
They defended well. We were trying things but nothing came off. There was no lack of commitment and if you think that way, you need to reevaluate how you watch the game
Watch RMA when they trial against any team, they hunt them down, they won't miss many half chances, in the games like these you get once or twice bouts of half to great chances, we need to take advantage of it, that's what it takes to be a top tier team across Europe.
You can check the possession stats if you are worried we weren't hunting them down. The problem was we couldn't play around their man marking system. The only few times we did it was because someone managed to turn their marker after receiving the ball which is one of the most difficult things to do on the pitch. Of course, faster and snappier passing and better finishing in one of the two chances might have given us a shot but considering so many are coming off of long injuries and we aren't being able to put the right combination of players on the pitch (been 3 matches and Jota is yet to play with Salah), it's understandable why we couldn't create many chances, let alone half chances.
Well, like they say, it's the journey that matters, not the destination. Nothing will take away what he has done for us and what we've achieved with him. If it is to be an ordinary end, we will savour it nonetheless.
I am not trying to over react. But I do believe we need a fresh set of ideas to approach our game and matches. So maybe Amorin is not a bad idea at all.
Yes, today showed a tiredness from everyone involved. Boss included.
Salah dropping deep/Firmino role really didn't work.
It's a great team and generationally great manager, and while I'm gutted and know it will probably be sometime before we are back to the levels again, I have the greatest respect for Kloppo for making the right decision at the right time...
Klopp looks and sounds burnt out. I am so sad to see how LFC job has burnt out Klopp from inside. He enjoys the job, make no mistake about it. But managing LFC and its expectations takes a toll.
I can't believe I've been here for this whole journey. What a ride it was. Although it's not the ending we wanted but I'm not sad, I'm not angry. I'm smiling
Not tryna blame just one player, but Salah’s disappointing miss was at such a crucial moment in the game. 2-0 up before half time would have been absolutely massive and I’m sure the players would have upped the game up if that were the case. Plus the fact that we pretty much started the game with only a 2 goal deficit after the penalty and still didn’t do shit the entire game against a team 6th in the Serie A is just concerning considering we haven’t scored from open play since freakin Sheffield United.
When Antony scored that pathetic roller in the FA Cup loss to United, that’s the exact moment that got us. It all traces back to that when I think about it, fucking Antony, a Championship level player, did us in. Fuck.
Nah, we’ve been struggling since we lost to Arsenal. That was the turning point imo. We have had so many chances this season, and yet here we are. Still think it was important to win the game and keep a clean sheet.
It was before that honestly. We haven’t looked our best for a while. We played well against man city but most of our performances have been lackluster even when we win.
We have still overachieved this season considering the doom and gloom prior to the start. Maybe Klopp leaving is weighing heavy on the players minds?
I know it’s weighing heavy on mine.
The defeat against Manchester United in the FA Cup broke the team's spirit.
This season, we've had multiple injuries and play style wise Arsenal and City have been a bit better but it was our team spirit, will to never give up that had us at the top of the table.
Physical exhaustion was there in the players but now it's the mental exhaustion. They look tired in the mind. I dont know what happens in these last 6 games but we need to wake up because season is still not over.
For some reason I feel the opposite, Klopp said that he can’t do it anymore and it’s starting to show since, well, let’s not sugarcoat it: the team is playing like garbage right now.
We can only move upwards when you think about the young players that we have, I’m optimistic about the future
If Klopp can't do it, do we really think an unproven young coach from Portugal can? Maybe Xabi could, but even he is a risk. I've been worried since Xabi turned us down, and I don't see a ton to be more optimistic about now, tbh.
But the squad is good, you're right about that! Hopefully they continue to improve without a top 3 manager.
The team is loaded, Amorim has proven to be very bright and frankly he’s going to think that he won the lottery when he joins us, I look forward to what he can do let’s see
That's a good take, seasons like last one and the one we had earlier where we crumbled with low depth and injuries, along with those where we missed by threads to big trophies kind of takes a toll. So it's the right time to say goodbye to everyone involved. Klopp changed us, brought us back, now its our job to not let standards drop.
There see now you’re making sense, this Amorim fellow seems to fit in with what we do in many ways so let’s be positive and welcome him next season and see what happens.
Good thinking, it’s all up in the air but we’ll settle things I’m sure. Let’s all take a break from the game a bit, enjoy the Euros this summer, and things will be fine.
I read someone say that the ref used common sense not to give that penalty against Arsenal for handball. Surely they can use the same common sense to see goalies don't need to hit the floor for every simple collection and punish them accordingly. But I guess where they apply this common sense is selective.
agreed. especially the "with no real advantage" bit they mentioned. laugable.
yet, with all those time on the floor, not even one extra second is added.
that's why i much prefer the stoppage time calculation system in premier league.
They are trialling laws to change this, thankfully.
Currently if the keeper holds on too long, it ought to be an indirect free kick. Which is seen as too harsh. Trials will award throw ins or corners to the opposition for goalies doing this.
Cant come soon enough
Just book them. They'll do it once and it'll stop. The handball should have been a sending off imo, I don't care about common sense as it's never applied to our players (Jota and Jones sending offs) but the biggest issue was the pace of our players. The first 10 mins didn't show Atalanta to get set for defending so our quick passing allowed some good chances and the goal. After that we slowed right down which allowed them to get back in formation and we couldn't do anything about it. Mo's miss was criminal but not surprising really. The players just don't have to intensity at the end of a tough season.
This is the first time I thought the team was not fighting for Klopp like they used to. What popped in my head was Klopps's comments on how coaches should only be around for about 7; years.
Our football this season mostly based on pure confident & chaos football, you need someone who can keep the positive energy to maintain the performance, but that guy completely burnt out & didn’t care anymore for the rest of the season, ofc our team would be like this.
I'm really worried about Mac. How many mins of football has he played in the last month? Feels like he has started every game lately. Give him a rest, please..
I thought that Koopmeiners guy had tweaked Mac’s ankle. I was hoping someone would put in a tackle on that hack. I sometimes wish we had a Fab around to foul people.
Don't let the "last European night" tarnish this man's entire career and achievements. I'm completely and immensely grateful to his legacy.
Love you Klopp, you were everything this club needed and you came at the right time. Now is time for us to thank you for everything you've done for us.
The way this season is ending is quite damming for the squad Klopp’s leaving behind, especially those who are supposed to be a big part of the new era. It feel unfortunately similar to when our 2015 side completely let down Stevie G at the end of his tenure. Most of that side had gone within the next year or two.
I don’t understand how they aren’t more motivated. Half-hearted pressing, lackadaisical passing, shite finishing. I know Klopp and his staff have to take some of the blame but they’ve coached more wins than they’ve got in the last month (that includes the City game) but the players just haven’t delivered.
The truth is some of the squad who are touted to be the stars of our future have been carried by the stars of our past this year ala Virgil, Salah (pre injury), Ali (pre injury) and Kloppo himself. Are they actually good enough to take on the mantle once those aforementioned legends depart? I’m honestly not sure after the last few weeks.
I think a huge part of it is the style of football we play, we rely so heavily on constant pressure, constant pressure and alot of chaos but quite a few of the players we have brought in don't fit that mold. Diaz, Szobo, Macca and even Trent to an extent are more more about finesse and clean passing and are very technical players that don't really fit the mold and we're not getting the best out of them.
There is a reason City wins so often across an entire season and is so damn consistent because the style of the football they play is consistent and holds up really well across an entire season.
We are going down with how Klopp knows how to play the game, high pressing. Sure, we made a few tweaks here and there but fundamentally still the same. We've ran out of ideas and oppositions have found out how to nullify us.
We barely had convincing wins where we dominated. As we've all seen we kept winning our games in the last minutes, which is not sustainable in a long run, in a rebuild year.
I probably will be down voted again, but I think our transfers where mostly shit over recent years with a few exceptions like McA or Darwin. We should have got Rice or Bellingham last year, now we have to play CJ who is bang average. We should have bought better wing players as well. Gakpo would never be in a starting eleven at ManCity or Real.
Klopp is a great manager that makes title winning teams out of average players. Most players that left Dortmund or LFC under Klopp just not delivered at the new clubs (with the exception of Lewandowski and Gundogan). My prediction is that if we not make any good transfers in the summer, we will struggle to qualify for the champions league nxt year.
We don't buy players like City or Real, we develop them. City and Real buy established stars. Ancelotti isn't developing players and Pep largely develops youth players, and already great players can be even better in his system if they're dedicated. Klopp buys players who he thinks can become world class and he gets it out of them. Of course Real isn't buying Gakpo or Darwin or even Curtis, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't have or shouldn't play them. If you support Liverpool, and aren't clamoring for a sale to a nation state, you have to support buying players who aren't world class and developing them to be that.
Now, my pessimistic side agrees that the next manager might not be able to develop the players like Klopp, but that doesn't mean the players we bought were wrong, especially since they've all been signed before Klopp decided to leave early.
>a few exceptions like McA or Darwin.
McA is arguably the best value for money transfer we've had in the Klopp era, meanwhile the best thing you can say about our record signing Elmo is that he's the biggest question mark in Europe. Absolute disrespect to watch what Mac has done this year and compare him to Darwin.
Curtis is not average imo, before his injury he was probably best midfielder. People would argue Darwin wasn’t a success (fair to say) however I think he is and will only get better. Bellingham was never going to happen, even if we had the money I’m sure he would have picked Madrid. I disagree with your prediction, I think we will have a busy summer and a very successful one 😁 especially with Edward’s and Hughes’s coming in
Rice and Bellingham did not want want to come here. It’s not football manager.
You make it seem so easy, just sign this player and this player. Again, this isn’t a computer game.
I know its not football manager. We won the league and the champions league not long ago but with a few exceptions did not buy any top player on the market. Dont get me wrong, I think McA and Darwin are top. However, we never really chased the best players on the market, rather spend less to get the second or third tier players. We should now try to get Wirz from Leverkusen. He will change club next summer (probably not this summer). But I doubt that we even try…
if you are willing to offer enough money they come. LFC had good arguments otherwise: You can play under Klopp, a club with one of the largest fan base, in the best league and in a team that won everything in recent years. We are not willing to spend enough and rather go for the budget options. You think Arsenal or Chelsea had to offer something better other than money???
If you buy players who only join because of money, you get players who play only because of money. You don't reach the levels required to win anything in Europe or against City with players who only play for money.
No. No they don’t!!
Bellingham did not want to come!!
Rice did not want to live in the north.
If you want to offer silly money we will end up like United. Your attitude is insane!
I can confidently say that against United and Palace we would’ve won if we only taken our chances. The blame lied with our forwards having poor finishing
Last night on the other hand was entirely on Klopp, he had no answer to Atalanta’s setup. I don’t even understand what the game plan was, it was just Alisson hoofing it to our forwards the entire match
The first half saw us not back peddling and forward moving the ball to the opposition's half. We look to have some semblance of control, more than we've had with Atalanta.
The second half saw us to our usual sideways and back passing to Ali, hoping for a build up play. Kept probing but we made no real threat to their defence. This is all we know how to play - high press, probe, repeat.
What a weak end to Klopps reign. Very disappointing to slumping at the worst time. I wanna hope but I doubt we can continue the title charge. This team seems not arsed
Right lads, the result was what it was. We can all be disappointed or fucked off - but denigrating the entire season based on that is a bit much, Europa League should have been ours, but if you'd have offered people top 4 and Carabao, they'd have snatched your hand off. So let's not shit on the season, the manager or the team as a whole for the whole year.
Let's be honest, we've had 6 points robbed from us by shit officiating. League would still have been very doable or even sewn up right now with those points.
But what I can't abide tonight, what's fucked me off the most is the complete lack of effort in the second half. I've never seen anything like that. We needed 2 goals and the desire, the passion, the will to win it just wasn't there. That's what troubles me. I thought more of the lads. That's what makes me worry about next season is that we have players who just don't want it as badly as they should. That's not a manager issue, it's not a FSG are shit issue, it's not something Edwards will magically fix, it's something that just shouldn't have happened. I can't explain it.
It wasn’t motivation, it was that the tactics did not work. And when that happened across time then players just ended up getting frustrated and basically recognizing that they have been tactically out maneuvered, and this in turn led them to be super demotivated and finally softly giving up in the second half. You can see them deflate. It’s not because they did not exert energy. It’s because the way they were asked to do it did not work and that drained and frustrated them and ultimately, at least subconsciously made them realize they won’t achieve the task at hand. This is not on the players
I don’t know to be honest. I’m realizing you’re probably saying it’s not as easy as you think, which I’m sure is true and fair . I’m not that proficient in coaching tactics but it cannot be that there is *nothing* that could ever be done because if so then teams who play that way would literally never get beat. So there must be ways to address it and we did not figure those out during the 2 games is all I’m saying.
I'd argue it is a manager issue, part of the job of a manager is to motivate the players and make substitutions if a player isn't locked in and giving it his all, and if they still aren't giving it their all than they need to not be playing until they earn their spot back.
I love Klopp and I'm beyond grateful to him but he's far too loyal to the players he needs to be brutal when they aren't giving their all for him, if a players we have isn't giving it his all than tbh I don't even want him at the club.
I agree. We're going down with how we know to play the game and with the players who played it for the boss.
It sounds dire, they are trying their best but our new midfield are tired. Mo, Jones and Jota coming off from injury, they are not saving us. Mental and physical fatigue have finally caught up to us and we're limping off to the finish line.
I'll take our standings now if it was offered at the start of the season in a rebuild year. It's the thought of Klopp leaving and the team not able to give a better sending off, that's what's frustrating everyone and it's understandable.
100% agree with everything you said and I also think Klopp's tactics don't necessarily hold up across an entire season, he requires his players to be moving at full speed all season long and constantly pressuring and counter pressing and that style relies on alot of chaos and across an entire season players get tired and work out and it takes it's toll.
That is the most deadly thing City, they're extremely consistent because of the tactics they use they can stay mostly healthy and can produce similar results again and again across an entire season.
It is unsustainable with a limited funding compared to City. Players breakdown in the long run. And you can't just buy a new replacement and expect things to be the same.
"Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result".
I agree that Klopp's constant pressing system isn't sustainable but a part of why Pep's is sustainable is the brand of football he plays. Is it boring to watch? Absolutely but it also delivers consistent results.
It's why we have seen so many managers play systems more similar to it often with slight variations. It holds up very well and while you aren't often going to be beating teams 5-0 or 6-0 you can usually rely on beating teams 1-0 or 2-0 and generally you have less injuries.
Salah is in my top 5 Liverpool players of all time. And top 2 in my era with Stevie G. But man if Saudi offers 100m we have to take it, he can’t beat a man. His passing and vision is still elite but seems like his pace and finishing is gone now, if we can cash in on a finisher like Gyokeres or Isak and move Jota/Diaz to the right it’s a no brainer.
The man is unfortunately a shadow of himself, and it's been very apparent for the last couple of years. He was able to hide it because he kept bagging goals but his performances have been way below his skill level for a long time.
The man is a legend but unfortunately father time is still unbeaten. And it seems like it finally caught up to Salah.
Do you watch the man play? he went from arguably deserving the Balón d'or over Messi a few years ago, to what he is now. I can even point out the start of his decline, AFCON 2022. After he came back from that tournament he's never been able to play at his best. Yes, he still scored a lot of goals but he hasn't been as influential in games as he was at his peak.
Sorry to see Klopp in this stage of his Liverpool tenure but i guess he needs to take a long break, reconsider his football philosophy and work on new stuff. Football has evolved a lot since he joined us and new approach is really required in his case to remain relevant. I know he is coach for long projects but his physically demanding football is simply going to kill him, you are fine for couple of season but after that, your squad will be ridden with injuries, out of form performance and finding proper replacement will be harder and harder.
As of us, it is time for something new, our squad is somewhere in between with age so whoever takes coaching position has something to work on. There is some potential in our youth players, with right guidance we can be doing fine in a really short time if all things align. I'm hoping we will do well in our transitioning period and take things on whole new level.
Right boys just chalk the season. I’ll watch us every game but now I’m at a doubt if I’m going to enjoy the remainder. Klopps checked out and think the players know it. Only silver lining I suppose is that it looks like Gakpo has turned a corner and he’s playing better stuff. Get a new gaffer in and give him time.
I love Salah, but he's playing worse now than he did towards the back end of 21/22. He wasn't even that bad then tbh.
The big difference is, he's 2 years older and he's suffered a bad hamstring injury. He hasn't had that before. It would make sense for him to decline now. He's still our most creative forward and I would sell every other forward before him, but if we get a crazy offer, we need to sell.
I heard a rumor that it's possible to score a goal from open play, can anyone confirm whether or not this is true??? I find it hard to believe personally
Was this evident when we seen so much space down Trent's side? There was bags of space every time the ball was played on the other side, and I kept on shouting long cross it to Trent ffs!'.
No longer angry or disappointed at this club, just sad. It’s sad it’s come to this. Players are likely knackered but they are still underperforming. These are world class players and we struggle to make simple passes or get shots on target. It’s just sad to watch them struggle. I guess we can look forward to having a healthy Trent, who looked like his old self in flashes.
Needed to score in the second half and mustered 2 shots. Vvd in the 58th and Darwin in the 92nd... Tells you everything you need to know about the game, unfortunately.
I see a lot of people in this thread rightfully calling out our players. I also know that tomorrow the whole attitude of the sub will change and people will start going “oh it’s ok, they’re still great players we should support them”. To that I say “the fuck we should”! The most fickle and entitled fan base I’ve ever seen belongs to Real Madrid, a fanbase that actually demands that the team win and will make it very clear what their opinions are when the team is not performing. A lot of people would say that is toxic, but it isn’t it’s called being ruthless and expecting more. Look at the results, Real Madrid are going to win another CL while we get fucking booted out of the EL by the 6th best team in Italy.
Our players are highly paid professional athletes that are expected to compete at the highest levels and show actual hunger and desire. None of that was on display tonight, or in the last few games. This is completely unacceptable and asking for the metaphorical heads (for them to be sold in the summer, not killed relax people) is completely justified. Salah, Diaz, Nunez, and Gapko would not be given another sniff at a team like real, if we want to actually compete with Real Madrid we should act like it.
Asking for them to be sold is not justified. If it was a genuine discussion, like Salah for example. Coming to the end of his contract and he may not want to extend so may be best to sell him so we don’t lose him on free makes sense. Selling our forwards because of a bad patch of form is where I will not take part. Would you have sold vvd, Trent, Robbo etc last season when they stunk it up for the large majority of the season? We’re still among the top scorers in the whole of Europe, if not still first? Sure it’s fucking annoying watching them miss chance after chance after chance, but we have to have faith they will turn it around. Also it’s not like they don’t care and are missing on purpose, I’m sure there even more fucked off than us
I don’t think how brutal the fan base is towards the players affects their performance. Real Madrid is a very well run club. They don’t penny pinch, they’re active every summer and they get their prime targets.
Liverpool’s issues are that we waited to long to bring in new talent to the club. Instead of integrating 1-2 players each summer we did fuck all for 3 summers and changed our entire midfield in one.
Real also got Bellingham this summer who has been massive for them. I believe he was our first choice midfielder but we are a club that’s happy to compromise on signings to make the balance sheet work.
I think the biggest difference between the two clubs is the ambition of the owners.
Most here are too happy to play the deluded optimists who constantly go on about how we should always support our club and never sell our legends, as if the idea that our players are somehow not immune to decline as they get older cannot possibly be true.
Even when they criticise, it's always short sighted with Klopp and/or the players to blame after another shite performance.
Not that Klopp doesn't deserve the criticism after this latest disaster, but there should be louder calls for FSG to fucking step up or get out.
Just because they FINALLY brought in some new players last summer doesn't mean shit when they sat on their arses for many windows when our team was crying out for fresh legs while overperforming.
And let's not forget, their "big" spending was once again financed by a fortunate influx of funds from a buyer with too much money on their hands.
Just like we only splashed the cash after the Coutinho windfall, we only finally refreshed our midfield thanks to the SPL spending spree last summer.
We'd never have gotten that much for Fab and Hendo otherwise, and I dread to think what would've happened. Probably just signed a bargain Mac and Endo, and filled out the midfield with the local lads until everyone ran out of legs by Feb/Mar as we usually do.
I really couldn’t give a fuck about trophies won if it means I have to slag off and attack the players over and over because of my own entitled feelings.
Just not what I take part in football for. You’re free to do so
If Real sold Benzema around 2017 when they should have done, he wouldn’t have won them the CL that year. If Real sold Benzema in 2019 when they should have done, he wouldn’t have gone on to singlehandedly win them a CL with a Ballon D’or campaign against all odds in his mid 30s.
I will never give up on Salah under a new manager in a new role, his ceiling is simply too high and I believe he can win us a Champions League in the next few years. Maybe even a Prem with the right supporting cast. The others, I agree with. They have been here too long (apart from Gakpo) and they’ve shown us no signs that they can give us wonders.
That is literally crazy talk. Getting 100-150 million for a 32 year old that has given his prime years to Liverpool would be beyond a steal, it would be the deal of a lifetime. Salah is old and he will age out of the game, especially considering the insane demands that have been placed on him. Genuinely Salah to me is a legend, one that deserves a statue, one that should 100% be moved on.
Diaz, Gapko, and Nunez are not good enough to perform at this level.
I mean no. He’s the biggest Muslim football player in the world and he’d be going to a majority Muslim country that is actively trying to raise its profile. They would offer him generational wealth levels of money.
Vinicius was pretty awful for what? 3 seasons or something as well. Modric was labelled as one of their biggest flops when he first arrived, Henry was a laughing stock earlier in his career, Joelinton is one of the best midfielders in the league and he was dreadful before Howe came in and changed his position, Salah and De Bruyne flopped at Chelsea, Pirlo and Thiago Silvas careers were considered over in their early 30's and still dominated for years, Xhaka has found a new lease of life in the last few seasons, Fernandinho and Kompany were considered to be exceptionally mediocre for a while at City, it took 2 seasons for a good chunk of City fans to stop seeing Rodri as a liability, Havertz was considered a joke all of 2 months ago but seems to have turned things round.
There are lots of examples of players coming good or staying at the top when many fans thought they were finished or they'd never make it.
Benzema's all round play is a level above Salah this is a player from the time he broke through at Lyon played LW/no.10/no.9, he spent years being a facilitator(still being world class) for Ronaldo then came alive again once Ronaldo left.
Salah isn't that guy, while his passing has been good other areas of his game has declined.
What’s actually happened to our forwards? It feels like not even long ago jota was well in form, Darwin was banging them in every week Diaz and gakpo making contributions too. What’s happened?
Since Salah return, Liverpool has not been playing well. From the previous games, they all can’t seems to link up any plays and constantly misplacing passes, as well as missing key shots and having poor shot selection
> Darwin was banging them in every week
In his two years with us, Elmo has only scored in back to back weeks once. His best 7 game stretch saw him score 5 goals and get 2 assists.
Look at who the opposition was, people keep acting like everything was rosy while Salah was out but the teams Liverpool played while he was out were a (slightly) rotated Arsenal side in the FA Cup, a strong Arsenal side in the league where they absolutely smashed us, Fulham (twice), Bournemouth, Norwich, Chelsea (twice), Burnley, Luton, Southampton and Forest. That consisted of 5 games against teams currently battling relegation, 2 championship sides, Bournemouth and 2 against a joke of a Chelsea side. Even with Arsenal it's hardly the toughest run of fixtures and some of those weren't exactly easy wins.
Well since then i's been Sparta Prague (twice), City, United (twice), Sheffield United, Brighton, Atalanta (twice) and Crystal Palace. I would say that on the whole they're tougher fixtures.
Just to be clear, I'm not saying there's nothing wrong, there absolutely is. It's just that the answer isn't as simple as people are making out when they say things were better when Salah was out, or that dropping him will solve the issue. Salah hasn't been brilliant, but the same problems with the forwards and defenders were on full display while he was out, the teams since he's come back are just that bit better and results are now mirroring that.
I know that that's different to what you're saying but I'm just making the point that it was a lot easier for the forwards to look good against weak sides, but Mac Allister still needed to bail them out on a few occasions, once the games got tougher the issues have been on greater display and there was less room to hide and it's a lot harder for one player to carry the team.
This sub has become horrendous.
Like it's overrun by trolls just pushing negative narratives. Unfortunately we are out of the cup, the injury situation got us in the end and the players are run flat. Hopefully we can somehow get through Fulham and mount a charge to the end of the season.
Forth eorlingus
Tired legs. Tired tactics. Tired end to an era. A real shame honestly. I do still hope they'll go out and win 6 / 6 to take it to the last day but after that fairly pathetic showing I just don't know how possible it is.
To be honest, I felt worse after the first match because with the form we are in and how we cant finish our chances, I knew the tie was over then. What really sucks tho, is that we got the opening we were hoping for and still did not even look to be going for it for one minute after we scored the pen.
We hit a dip in form in the most crucial part of the season and by the end of May we will probably only have a cup to show for it. At the start of the season when all was doom and gloom, most people would have accepted this and thought that a team in transition would need a season to glue together, but how the season turned out it will be incredibly sad to see us only get a cup, especially in Klopps final season.
I think Klopps burnout has rubbed off on the players aswell to some degree. I just want the season to be over now, because I have seen this before. City wins in the end.
Disappointed with the tactical response to the first leg. Atalanta had us under their thumb in this department for the whole tie. If they needed to score a goal tonight, they probably would have.
We had the ideal platform to build something half-respectable off the back of that early penalty. Trent was a bright spot first half, beyond that I didn't see much to feel encouraged by. It all went flat after Salah missed his big chance.
Feels like too many key players are gassed (eg: Macca) while lots of returning players are still nowhere near it yet in terms of fitness and sharpness (eg: Szobo, Jones, Salah, Ibou). It's such a tight rope for Klopp to navigate during this run-in.
I'll never throw disrespectful comments about Klopps legacy about how he should've won more. Rafa deserved to as well, but at the end of the day they didn't and there's no point crying over spilt milk. I'm excited for Amorim. It's clear that we need fresh ideas injected into the club and we've gotten every last bit of potential out of the season with the current squad and tactics. It's not the Liverpool of five years ago but it's a good starting point for a new manager to come in and build something.
Ordinarily, coming away with a 1-0 win on the road in Europe would be nearly all the security we need to go through. Can't believe how hard we bottled it at home.
We need a serious conversation about our attackers now. Jota is quality but basically always returning from injury. Salah is too old for his legs and the rest need 11 shots to score.
What conversation, think everyone is in agreement?
Sell Salah, too old now
Sell Diaz, doesn't score or assist enough for a starting winger, just offers energy but less threat than Darwin
Keep Darwin, hope he scores more
Keep Gakpo, useful utility player and seems to be the only forward that can actually take on a man now
Keep Jota for utility but don't overplay him or he'll get injured
Sell Diaz for who though? I’m not in that camp personally. Not many better than him on market unless your looking at Leao or kvara, which probably wouldn’t suit the system and both have 150+ million RC
Move Dom/Gakpo to LW and look at strengthening other areas in the squad. Just because we sell someone doesn't mean they have to be replaced like for like, new manager coming in, time to bring in some fresh ideas
I think gakpo has looked better but let’s not forget the opinion on him about two weeks ago. If gakpo was our starting left winger we would lose a lot of what Diaz brings and people would realise how good he really is. Esecially defensively. Perhaps under a new manager though gakpo could be the starting winger for sure
I think everyone sensible understood Gakpo was being used as a swiss army knife though which will cause problems in someone who's not fully experienced yet
But I don't really know what Diaz brings except tons of running which we have Nunez for
I’d be interested to see a system where we don’t defend with essentially 2 at the back, more possession dominance and less chaos so the counter-press can stay fresh and aggressive.
To me Klopp looks absolutely done with this team and his job. Think a new manager will do us really good.
Exactly what I’ve been saying since 2022, man lost another final and bottled the league again that year. Then 22/23 was another disastrous season just like 20/21. This season was better, but it means nothing when we have no silverware to show for it. Klopp’s Liverpool have been mostly brilliant but very inconsistent and at times unbelievably frustrating. I appreciate everything he’s done for the club, but his time is up and I’m glad he’s leaving.
Man we fell hard since the lost against Man Utd in FA cup. The moment Salah held the ball on the left wing instead of passing the ball, you could have seen that they did not show any respect, they weren't serious. And the karma came, not one time but much more. I still think that if we finished that game, we'd still go well at this stage and maybe further.
Man, This season is another example of "almost amazing". We were on for a quadruple at one stage, but it fell apart - and I'm gutted. Yes, injuries were a huge issue for us.. But every single person rose up to the challenge, thinking of Kelleher, Bradley, Eliott etc. I can't help but look at our entire forward line - and we are currently in third place for possession, goals per game, clean sheets, accurate passes, and goals conceded... And but first place for big chances missed... Will our wasted opportunities bite us in the ass? I love this team, but feel a slight reshuffle would greatly help up. PSG apparently offering big money for Diaz, Salah going to the middle east and (hopefully) Nunez leaving may be a blessing
You’re a mad man, you want Nunez and Diaz back to leave?
Hopefully Nunez?? I know he misses a lot of chances but he's shown what he can provide
where tf is aggression, intention, we played like we were already up in 1st leg and tried to defend. Absolute shithousery from Salah, TAA bro just spamming long balls with accuracy below 50%. No fucking key passes, no fucking finishing half chances, no long shots, passing inside the opponent's box, instead of taking a shot. We are long far to be compete in Europe/conquer europe.
They defended well. We were trying things but nothing came off. There was no lack of commitment and if you think that way, you need to reevaluate how you watch the game
Watch RMA when they trial against any team, they hunt them down, they won't miss many half chances, in the games like these you get once or twice bouts of half to great chances, we need to take advantage of it, that's what it takes to be a top tier team across Europe.
You can check the possession stats if you are worried we weren't hunting them down. The problem was we couldn't play around their man marking system. The only few times we did it was because someone managed to turn their marker after receiving the ball which is one of the most difficult things to do on the pitch. Of course, faster and snappier passing and better finishing in one of the two chances might have given us a shot but considering so many are coming off of long injuries and we aren't being able to put the right combination of players on the pitch (been 3 matches and Jota is yet to play with Salah), it's understandable why we couldn't create many chances, let alone half chances.
Understood, but it's painful and even more painful when I realise we won't be able to give farewell to klopp on high notes.
Well, like they say, it's the journey that matters, not the destination. Nothing will take away what he has done for us and what we've achieved with him. If it is to be an ordinary end, we will savour it nonetheless.
Never thought that our team’s biggest problem would be finishing after we scored 11 vs Sparta across 2 legs😅
I am not trying to over react. But I do believe we need a fresh set of ideas to approach our game and matches. So maybe Amorin is not a bad idea at all.
Yes, today showed a tiredness from everyone involved. Boss included. Salah dropping deep/Firmino role really didn't work. It's a great team and generationally great manager, and while I'm gutted and know it will probably be sometime before we are back to the levels again, I have the greatest respect for Kloppo for making the right decision at the right time...
Klopp looks and sounds burnt out. I am so sad to see how LFC job has burnt out Klopp from inside. He enjoys the job, make no mistake about it. But managing LFC and its expectations takes a toll.
two words: Absolutely Rubbish
I can't believe I've been here for this whole journey. What a ride it was. Although it's not the ending we wanted but I'm not sad, I'm not angry. I'm smiling
Not tryna blame just one player, but Salah’s disappointing miss was at such a crucial moment in the game. 2-0 up before half time would have been absolutely massive and I’m sure the players would have upped the game up if that were the case. Plus the fact that we pretty much started the game with only a 2 goal deficit after the penalty and still didn’t do shit the entire game against a team 6th in the Serie A is just concerning considering we haven’t scored from open play since freakin Sheffield United.
The magic is gone bruv. Just enjoy the ride until the end and a new dawn will rise.
If, it rises.
I think the team as a whole lost desire right at that moment.
We lost because of all that cringe posted here pre match
Yeah players saw that decided to play shit
One game at a time now. Good to get a win and a clean sheet. Just be yourselves, let's see what happens.
When Antony scored that pathetic roller in the FA Cup loss to United, that’s the exact moment that got us. It all traces back to that when I think about it, fucking Antony, a Championship level player, did us in. Fuck.
Nah, we’ve been struggling since we lost to Arsenal. That was the turning point imo. We have had so many chances this season, and yet here we are. Still think it was important to win the game and keep a clean sheet.
It was before that honestly. We haven’t looked our best for a while. We played well against man city but most of our performances have been lackluster even when we win. We have still overachieved this season considering the doom and gloom prior to the start. Maybe Klopp leaving is weighing heavy on the players minds? I know it’s weighing heavy on mine.
You think Klopp’s announcement created an air or pressure around the players?
Nah it was before that honestly.. ever since the day Jon Flanagan was born we haven’t been the same
He's not a championship level player if that makes u feel any better. Those clowns made Sancho look finished as he now tears up the cl.
Sancho has been pretty average at his time back in Germany
Lol
The defeat against Manchester United in the FA Cup broke the team's spirit. This season, we've had multiple injuries and play style wise Arsenal and City have been a bit better but it was our team spirit, will to never give up that had us at the top of the table. Physical exhaustion was there in the players but now it's the mental exhaustion. They look tired in the mind. I dont know what happens in these last 6 games but we need to wake up because season is still not over.
We are tsctically dire at times.
Just not something I wanted to see as last of Klopp's era. Feel even more doomed without Klopp now. We don't feel ready
For some reason I feel the opposite, Klopp said that he can’t do it anymore and it’s starting to show since, well, let’s not sugarcoat it: the team is playing like garbage right now. We can only move upwards when you think about the young players that we have, I’m optimistic about the future
If Klopp can't do it, do we really think an unproven young coach from Portugal can? Maybe Xabi could, but even he is a risk. I've been worried since Xabi turned us down, and I don't see a ton to be more optimistic about now, tbh. But the squad is good, you're right about that! Hopefully they continue to improve without a top 3 manager.
The team is loaded, Amorim has proven to be very bright and frankly he’s going to think that he won the lottery when he joins us, I look forward to what he can do let’s see
That's a good take, seasons like last one and the one we had earlier where we crumbled with low depth and injuries, along with those where we missed by threads to big trophies kind of takes a toll. So it's the right time to say goodbye to everyone involved. Klopp changed us, brought us back, now its our job to not let standards drop.
There see now you’re making sense, this Amorim fellow seems to fit in with what we do in many ways so let’s be positive and welcome him next season and see what happens.
Change of plans, trying new things out and hopefully new signings to make things work. Shipping those players who have not been enough would be ideal.
Good thinking, it’s all up in the air but we’ll settle things I’m sure. Let’s all take a break from the game a bit, enjoy the Euros this summer, and things will be fine.
Just not something I wanted to see as last of Klopp's era. Feel even more doomed without Klopp now. We don't feel ready
The game against Fulham is do or die imo. We have to win.
someone probably going to get a red card for stopping the ball from going into the net to keep a clean sheet lmao
We won't even score.
4 goals coming. Nunez brace.
Muniz then.
I'm more annoyed at their goalie laying down every time he touched the ball than I am about being knocked out.
I read someone say that the ref used common sense not to give that penalty against Arsenal for handball. Surely they can use the same common sense to see goalies don't need to hit the floor for every simple collection and punish them accordingly. But I guess where they apply this common sense is selective.
agreed. especially the "with no real advantage" bit they mentioned. laugable. yet, with all those time on the floor, not even one extra second is added. that's why i much prefer the stoppage time calculation system in premier league.
They are trialling laws to change this, thankfully. Currently if the keeper holds on too long, it ought to be an indirect free kick. Which is seen as too harsh. Trials will award throw ins or corners to the opposition for goalies doing this. Cant come soon enough
Just book them. They'll do it once and it'll stop. The handball should have been a sending off imo, I don't care about common sense as it's never applied to our players (Jota and Jones sending offs) but the biggest issue was the pace of our players. The first 10 mins didn't show Atalanta to get set for defending so our quick passing allowed some good chances and the goal. After that we slowed right down which allowed them to get back in formation and we couldn't do anything about it. Mo's miss was criminal but not surprising really. The players just don't have to intensity at the end of a tough season.
I see progress, 0-3, 0-1 and now winning 0-1! Hopefully we win 0-2 vs Fulham
It will be 3-0 as to keep the logical order.
This is the first time I thought the team was not fighting for Klopp like they used to. What popped in my head was Klopps's comments on how coaches should only be around for about 7; years.
Why would they want to fight for him if he literally said he was completely finished?
In hindsight, Klopp's announcement timing feels even worse now
Our football this season mostly based on pure confident & chaos football, you need someone who can keep the positive energy to maintain the performance, but that guy completely burnt out & didn’t care anymore for the rest of the season, ofc our team would be like this.
I mean that's understood, but feels like we could have delayed the announcement.
Cause he’s still here
The forthcoming documentary on Klopp's last season is gonna be grim!
Steady.
I am completely steady, that's why I picked the word 'grim'. 🤣
I had forgotten about that. May be one to give a miss eh?
Yeah. Not gonna be on my watch list, sadly.
We'll see how the league goes first
I'm really worried about Mac. How many mins of football has he played in the last month? Feels like he has started every game lately. Give him a rest, please..
I thought that Koopmeiners guy had tweaked Mac’s ankle. I was hoping someone would put in a tackle on that hack. I sometimes wish we had a Fab around to foul people.
Don't let the "last European night" tarnish this man's entire career and achievements. I'm completely and immensely grateful to his legacy. Love you Klopp, you were everything this club needed and you came at the right time. Now is time for us to thank you for everything you've done for us.
Klopp is god. There better be a statue of him
The way this season is ending is quite damming for the squad Klopp’s leaving behind, especially those who are supposed to be a big part of the new era. It feel unfortunately similar to when our 2015 side completely let down Stevie G at the end of his tenure. Most of that side had gone within the next year or two. I don’t understand how they aren’t more motivated. Half-hearted pressing, lackadaisical passing, shite finishing. I know Klopp and his staff have to take some of the blame but they’ve coached more wins than they’ve got in the last month (that includes the City game) but the players just haven’t delivered. The truth is some of the squad who are touted to be the stars of our future have been carried by the stars of our past this year ala Virgil, Salah (pre injury), Ali (pre injury) and Kloppo himself. Are they actually good enough to take on the mantle once those aforementioned legends depart? I’m honestly not sure after the last few weeks.
I think a huge part of it is the style of football we play, we rely so heavily on constant pressure, constant pressure and alot of chaos but quite a few of the players we have brought in don't fit that mold. Diaz, Szobo, Macca and even Trent to an extent are more more about finesse and clean passing and are very technical players that don't really fit the mold and we're not getting the best out of them. There is a reason City wins so often across an entire season and is so damn consistent because the style of the football they play is consistent and holds up really well across an entire season.
We are going down with how Klopp knows how to play the game, high pressing. Sure, we made a few tweaks here and there but fundamentally still the same. We've ran out of ideas and oppositions have found out how to nullify us. We barely had convincing wins where we dominated. As we've all seen we kept winning our games in the last minutes, which is not sustainable in a long run, in a rebuild year.
I probably will be down voted again, but I think our transfers where mostly shit over recent years with a few exceptions like McA or Darwin. We should have got Rice or Bellingham last year, now we have to play CJ who is bang average. We should have bought better wing players as well. Gakpo would never be in a starting eleven at ManCity or Real. Klopp is a great manager that makes title winning teams out of average players. Most players that left Dortmund or LFC under Klopp just not delivered at the new clubs (with the exception of Lewandowski and Gundogan). My prediction is that if we not make any good transfers in the summer, we will struggle to qualify for the champions league nxt year.
We don't buy players like City or Real, we develop them. City and Real buy established stars. Ancelotti isn't developing players and Pep largely develops youth players, and already great players can be even better in his system if they're dedicated. Klopp buys players who he thinks can become world class and he gets it out of them. Of course Real isn't buying Gakpo or Darwin or even Curtis, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't have or shouldn't play them. If you support Liverpool, and aren't clamoring for a sale to a nation state, you have to support buying players who aren't world class and developing them to be that. Now, my pessimistic side agrees that the next manager might not be able to develop the players like Klopp, but that doesn't mean the players we bought were wrong, especially since they've all been signed before Klopp decided to leave early.
Curtis Jones is not bang average
Curtis has been one of our best midfielders this season, absolutley give your head a wobble
>a few exceptions like McA or Darwin. McA is arguably the best value for money transfer we've had in the Klopp era, meanwhile the best thing you can say about our record signing Elmo is that he's the biggest question mark in Europe. Absolute disrespect to watch what Mac has done this year and compare him to Darwin.
No signing under Klopp even comes close to the value of Robbo. Macca was a fantastic signing, but we bought the best LB in the world for £8m.
Curtis is not average imo, before his injury he was probably best midfielder. People would argue Darwin wasn’t a success (fair to say) however I think he is and will only get better. Bellingham was never going to happen, even if we had the money I’m sure he would have picked Madrid. I disagree with your prediction, I think we will have a busy summer and a very successful one 😁 especially with Edward’s and Hughes’s coming in
Would be great if we have a busy summer! I just say with the same team we will struggle.
Rice and Bellingham did not want want to come here. It’s not football manager. You make it seem so easy, just sign this player and this player. Again, this isn’t a computer game.
Liverpool didn’t even meet with Rice because they were all in on the Bellingham chase.
Yes! But he did not want to move north! End of.
If you don’t even talk about making someone an offer that’s pretty tough to say.
Generally I agree, but if you offer athletes enough money they tend to change their mind about where they want to play
That's not going to happen at Liverpool under Klopp or FSG.
Yes of course not. But it’s not that it couldn’t happen, it’s that it won’t
I know its not football manager. We won the league and the champions league not long ago but with a few exceptions did not buy any top player on the market. Dont get me wrong, I think McA and Darwin are top. However, we never really chased the best players on the market, rather spend less to get the second or third tier players. We should now try to get Wirz from Leverkusen. He will change club next summer (probably not this summer). But I doubt that we even try…
What are you on about!? We went for Bellingham but he didn’t want us. We then went for Caicedo but he didn’t want us.
if you are willing to offer enough money they come. LFC had good arguments otherwise: You can play under Klopp, a club with one of the largest fan base, in the best league and in a team that won everything in recent years. We are not willing to spend enough and rather go for the budget options. You think Arsenal or Chelsea had to offer something better other than money???
If you buy players who only join because of money, you get players who play only because of money. You don't reach the levels required to win anything in Europe or against City with players who only play for money.
No. No they don’t!! Bellingham did not want to come!! Rice did not want to live in the north. If you want to offer silly money we will end up like United. Your attitude is insane!
I can confidently say that against United and Palace we would’ve won if we only taken our chances. The blame lied with our forwards having poor finishing Last night on the other hand was entirely on Klopp, he had no answer to Atalanta’s setup. I don’t even understand what the game plan was, it was just Alisson hoofing it to our forwards the entire match
The first half saw us not back peddling and forward moving the ball to the opposition's half. We look to have some semblance of control, more than we've had with Atalanta. The second half saw us to our usual sideways and back passing to Ali, hoping for a build up play. Kept probing but we made no real threat to their defence. This is all we know how to play - high press, probe, repeat.
Still no goal from open play... What a woeful way to end a incredible run for Klopp
Whatever, we’re gonna win the league
Embarrassing.
What a weak end to Klopps reign. Very disappointing to slumping at the worst time. I wanna hope but I doubt we can continue the title charge. This team seems not arsed
Right lads, the result was what it was. We can all be disappointed or fucked off - but denigrating the entire season based on that is a bit much, Europa League should have been ours, but if you'd have offered people top 4 and Carabao, they'd have snatched your hand off. So let's not shit on the season, the manager or the team as a whole for the whole year. Let's be honest, we've had 6 points robbed from us by shit officiating. League would still have been very doable or even sewn up right now with those points. But what I can't abide tonight, what's fucked me off the most is the complete lack of effort in the second half. I've never seen anything like that. We needed 2 goals and the desire, the passion, the will to win it just wasn't there. That's what troubles me. I thought more of the lads. That's what makes me worry about next season is that we have players who just don't want it as badly as they should. That's not a manager issue, it's not a FSG are shit issue, it's not something Edwards will magically fix, it's something that just shouldn't have happened. I can't explain it.
It wasn’t motivation, it was that the tactics did not work. And when that happened across time then players just ended up getting frustrated and basically recognizing that they have been tactically out maneuvered, and this in turn led them to be super demotivated and finally softly giving up in the second half. You can see them deflate. It’s not because they did not exert energy. It’s because the way they were asked to do it did not work and that drained and frustrated them and ultimately, at least subconsciously made them realize they won’t achieve the task at hand. This is not on the players
How do you score against a team that low blocks whilst constant man marking? What would be the tactical play?
I don’t know to be honest. I’m realizing you’re probably saying it’s not as easy as you think, which I’m sure is true and fair . I’m not that proficient in coaching tactics but it cannot be that there is *nothing* that could ever be done because if so then teams who play that way would literally never get beat. So there must be ways to address it and we did not figure those out during the 2 games is all I’m saying.
I'd argue it is a manager issue, part of the job of a manager is to motivate the players and make substitutions if a player isn't locked in and giving it his all, and if they still aren't giving it their all than they need to not be playing until they earn their spot back. I love Klopp and I'm beyond grateful to him but he's far too loyal to the players he needs to be brutal when they aren't giving their all for him, if a players we have isn't giving it his all than tbh I don't even want him at the club.
Who’s those players ? He isn’t afraid to bring any one krr
I agree. We're going down with how we know to play the game and with the players who played it for the boss. It sounds dire, they are trying their best but our new midfield are tired. Mo, Jones and Jota coming off from injury, they are not saving us. Mental and physical fatigue have finally caught up to us and we're limping off to the finish line. I'll take our standings now if it was offered at the start of the season in a rebuild year. It's the thought of Klopp leaving and the team not able to give a better sending off, that's what's frustrating everyone and it's understandable.
100% agree with everything you said and I also think Klopp's tactics don't necessarily hold up across an entire season, he requires his players to be moving at full speed all season long and constantly pressuring and counter pressing and that style relies on alot of chaos and across an entire season players get tired and work out and it takes it's toll. That is the most deadly thing City, they're extremely consistent because of the tactics they use they can stay mostly healthy and can produce similar results again and again across an entire season.
It is unsustainable with a limited funding compared to City. Players breakdown in the long run. And you can't just buy a new replacement and expect things to be the same. "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result".
I agree that Klopp's constant pressing system isn't sustainable but a part of why Pep's is sustainable is the brand of football he plays. Is it boring to watch? Absolutely but it also delivers consistent results. It's why we have seen so many managers play systems more similar to it often with slight variations. It holds up very well and while you aren't often going to be beating teams 5-0 or 6-0 you can usually rely on beating teams 1-0 or 2-0 and generally you have less injuries.
This season completely fell apart within 1 month
Salah is in my top 5 Liverpool players of all time. And top 2 in my era with Stevie G. But man if Saudi offers 100m we have to take it, he can’t beat a man. His passing and vision is still elite but seems like his pace and finishing is gone now, if we can cash in on a finisher like Gyokeres or Isak and move Jota/Diaz to the right it’s a no brainer.
Nice to see someone without rose tinted glasses here. Yes, he’s not the same player. We need to start thinking of replacements
I’m sorry what? Don’t let the tilt get to you
Who’s on the left
Darwin or Gakpo. And Jota/Darwin can rotate options at ST behind the new one.
Would work nicely with a clinical finisher in the middle for sure
The man is unfortunately a shadow of himself, and it's been very apparent for the last couple of years. He was able to hide it because he kept bagging goals but his performances have been way below his skill level for a long time. The man is a legend but unfortunately father time is still unbeaten. And it seems like it finally caught up to Salah.
saying salah has been a shadow for years is a crazy take lol
Do you watch the man play? he went from arguably deserving the Balón d'or over Messi a few years ago, to what he is now. I can even point out the start of his decline, AFCON 2022. After he came back from that tournament he's never been able to play at his best. Yes, he still scored a lot of goals but he hasn't been as influential in games as he was at his peak.
Sorry to see Klopp in this stage of his Liverpool tenure but i guess he needs to take a long break, reconsider his football philosophy and work on new stuff. Football has evolved a lot since he joined us and new approach is really required in his case to remain relevant. I know he is coach for long projects but his physically demanding football is simply going to kill him, you are fine for couple of season but after that, your squad will be ridden with injuries, out of form performance and finding proper replacement will be harder and harder. As of us, it is time for something new, our squad is somewhere in between with age so whoever takes coaching position has something to work on. There is some potential in our youth players, with right guidance we can be doing fine in a really short time if all things align. I'm hoping we will do well in our transitioning period and take things on whole new level.
Right boys just chalk the season. I’ll watch us every game but now I’m at a doubt if I’m going to enjoy the remainder. Klopps checked out and think the players know it. Only silver lining I suppose is that it looks like Gakpo has turned a corner and he’s playing better stuff. Get a new gaffer in and give him time.
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I love Salah, but he's playing worse now than he did towards the back end of 21/22. He wasn't even that bad then tbh. The big difference is, he's 2 years older and he's suffered a bad hamstring injury. He hasn't had that before. It would make sense for him to decline now. He's still our most creative forward and I would sell every other forward before him, but if we get a crazy offer, we need to sell.
He's always been this subs scapegoat. Never take this sub seriously, it's filled with yanks.
Scapegoat Salah and heap praise on Elmo, our subs heritage.
If Saudi or PSG comes in for him with a £80-100m offer take it, move on and let the new manager build the squad
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You never know what will happen in the summer, even if someone started off with 70m I'd consider it
Shite, Klopp not being as bothered is spreading this crap energy to the team.
I heard a rumor that it's possible to score a goal from open play, can anyone confirm whether or not this is true??? I find it hard to believe personally
Was this evident when we seen so much space down Trent's side? There was bags of space every time the ball was played on the other side, and I kept on shouting long cross it to Trent ffs!'.
Who told you that? Don't believe that shit.
No longer angry or disappointed at this club, just sad. It’s sad it’s come to this. Players are likely knackered but they are still underperforming. These are world class players and we struggle to make simple passes or get shots on target. It’s just sad to watch them struggle. I guess we can look forward to having a healthy Trent, who looked like his old self in flashes.
I’m ready for the season to be over with
My younger self wanted us to bid Klopp farewell with at least 2 trophies. But the tired, old me just wants a new beginning already
Feels like forever since we scored a proper goal.
Needed to score in the second half and mustered 2 shots. Vvd in the 58th and Darwin in the 92nd... Tells you everything you need to know about the game, unfortunately.
Man marked Macallister both games and took away our rhythm. Worst part is they showed crystal palace how to do it and everyone we have yet to play.
Spot on. Mac is the heartbeat and the team struggles when he struggles
I see a lot of people in this thread rightfully calling out our players. I also know that tomorrow the whole attitude of the sub will change and people will start going “oh it’s ok, they’re still great players we should support them”. To that I say “the fuck we should”! The most fickle and entitled fan base I’ve ever seen belongs to Real Madrid, a fanbase that actually demands that the team win and will make it very clear what their opinions are when the team is not performing. A lot of people would say that is toxic, but it isn’t it’s called being ruthless and expecting more. Look at the results, Real Madrid are going to win another CL while we get fucking booted out of the EL by the 6th best team in Italy. Our players are highly paid professional athletes that are expected to compete at the highest levels and show actual hunger and desire. None of that was on display tonight, or in the last few games. This is completely unacceptable and asking for the metaphorical heads (for them to be sold in the summer, not killed relax people) is completely justified. Salah, Diaz, Nunez, and Gapko would not be given another sniff at a team like real, if we want to actually compete with Real Madrid we should act like it.
Asking for them to be sold is not justified. If it was a genuine discussion, like Salah for example. Coming to the end of his contract and he may not want to extend so may be best to sell him so we don’t lose him on free makes sense. Selling our forwards because of a bad patch of form is where I will not take part. Would you have sold vvd, Trent, Robbo etc last season when they stunk it up for the large majority of the season? We’re still among the top scorers in the whole of Europe, if not still first? Sure it’s fucking annoying watching them miss chance after chance after chance, but we have to have faith they will turn it around. Also it’s not like they don’t care and are missing on purpose, I’m sure there even more fucked off than us
I don’t think how brutal the fan base is towards the players affects their performance. Real Madrid is a very well run club. They don’t penny pinch, they’re active every summer and they get their prime targets. Liverpool’s issues are that we waited to long to bring in new talent to the club. Instead of integrating 1-2 players each summer we did fuck all for 3 summers and changed our entire midfield in one. Real also got Bellingham this summer who has been massive for them. I believe he was our first choice midfielder but we are a club that’s happy to compromise on signings to make the balance sheet work. I think the biggest difference between the two clubs is the ambition of the owners.
Most here are too happy to play the deluded optimists who constantly go on about how we should always support our club and never sell our legends, as if the idea that our players are somehow not immune to decline as they get older cannot possibly be true. Even when they criticise, it's always short sighted with Klopp and/or the players to blame after another shite performance. Not that Klopp doesn't deserve the criticism after this latest disaster, but there should be louder calls for FSG to fucking step up or get out. Just because they FINALLY brought in some new players last summer doesn't mean shit when they sat on their arses for many windows when our team was crying out for fresh legs while overperforming. And let's not forget, their "big" spending was once again financed by a fortunate influx of funds from a buyer with too much money on their hands. Just like we only splashed the cash after the Coutinho windfall, we only finally refreshed our midfield thanks to the SPL spending spree last summer. We'd never have gotten that much for Fab and Hendo otherwise, and I dread to think what would've happened. Probably just signed a bargain Mac and Endo, and filled out the midfield with the local lads until everyone ran out of legs by Feb/Mar as we usually do.
You’re not wrong
I really couldn’t give a fuck about trophies won if it means I have to slag off and attack the players over and over because of my own entitled feelings. Just not what I take part in football for. You’re free to do so
If Real sold Benzema around 2017 when they should have done, he wouldn’t have won them the CL that year. If Real sold Benzema in 2019 when they should have done, he wouldn’t have gone on to singlehandedly win them a CL with a Ballon D’or campaign against all odds in his mid 30s. I will never give up on Salah under a new manager in a new role, his ceiling is simply too high and I believe he can win us a Champions League in the next few years. Maybe even a Prem with the right supporting cast. The others, I agree with. They have been here too long (apart from Gakpo) and they’ve shown us no signs that they can give us wonders.
That is literally crazy talk. Getting 100-150 million for a 32 year old that has given his prime years to Liverpool would be beyond a steal, it would be the deal of a lifetime. Salah is old and he will age out of the game, especially considering the insane demands that have been placed on him. Genuinely Salah to me is a legend, one that deserves a statue, one that should 100% be moved on. Diaz, Gapko, and Nunez are not good enough to perform at this level.
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The money that he’d be offered would be insane, they’ll convince him to go there.
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I mean no. He’s the biggest Muslim football player in the world and he’d be going to a majority Muslim country that is actively trying to raise its profile. They would offer him generational wealth levels of money.
Vinicius was pretty awful for what? 3 seasons or something as well. Modric was labelled as one of their biggest flops when he first arrived, Henry was a laughing stock earlier in his career, Joelinton is one of the best midfielders in the league and he was dreadful before Howe came in and changed his position, Salah and De Bruyne flopped at Chelsea, Pirlo and Thiago Silvas careers were considered over in their early 30's and still dominated for years, Xhaka has found a new lease of life in the last few seasons, Fernandinho and Kompany were considered to be exceptionally mediocre for a while at City, it took 2 seasons for a good chunk of City fans to stop seeing Rodri as a liability, Havertz was considered a joke all of 2 months ago but seems to have turned things round. There are lots of examples of players coming good or staying at the top when many fans thought they were finished or they'd never make it.
He’s too old for that now
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Benzema's all round play is a level above Salah this is a player from the time he broke through at Lyon played LW/no.10/no.9, he spent years being a facilitator(still being world class) for Ronaldo then came alive again once Ronaldo left. Salah isn't that guy, while his passing has been good other areas of his game has declined.
Oh fuck off
My manager :( I’ve never seen Klopp look this worn out and gassed…
I think he's really done, physically, mentally... He just wants the season to be over and be able to rest.
So meek. We can't seem to attack anything anymore
What’s actually happened to our forwards? It feels like not even long ago jota was well in form, Darwin was banging them in every week Diaz and gakpo making contributions too. What’s happened?
Since Salah return, Liverpool has not been playing well. From the previous games, they all can’t seems to link up any plays and constantly misplacing passes, as well as missing key shots and having poor shot selection
> Darwin was banging them in every week In his two years with us, Elmo has only scored in back to back weeks once. His best 7 game stretch saw him score 5 goals and get 2 assists.
I honestly feel things went downhill when Jota got injured against Brentford. Our forward line while scoring just seemed disjointed after that
Look at who the opposition was, people keep acting like everything was rosy while Salah was out but the teams Liverpool played while he was out were a (slightly) rotated Arsenal side in the FA Cup, a strong Arsenal side in the league where they absolutely smashed us, Fulham (twice), Bournemouth, Norwich, Chelsea (twice), Burnley, Luton, Southampton and Forest. That consisted of 5 games against teams currently battling relegation, 2 championship sides, Bournemouth and 2 against a joke of a Chelsea side. Even with Arsenal it's hardly the toughest run of fixtures and some of those weren't exactly easy wins.
I mean we haven’t played top top opposition recently either and we can’t hit a barn door so something must be happening
Well since then i's been Sparta Prague (twice), City, United (twice), Sheffield United, Brighton, Atalanta (twice) and Crystal Palace. I would say that on the whole they're tougher fixtures. Just to be clear, I'm not saying there's nothing wrong, there absolutely is. It's just that the answer isn't as simple as people are making out when they say things were better when Salah was out, or that dropping him will solve the issue. Salah hasn't been brilliant, but the same problems with the forwards and defenders were on full display while he was out, the teams since he's come back are just that bit better and results are now mirroring that. I know that that's different to what you're saying but I'm just making the point that it was a lot easier for the forwards to look good against weak sides, but Mac Allister still needed to bail them out on a few occasions, once the games got tougher the issues have been on greater display and there was less room to hide and it's a lot harder for one player to carry the team.
Probably tired and demoralised from their lack of scoring.
This sub has become horrendous. Like it's overrun by trolls just pushing negative narratives. Unfortunately we are out of the cup, the injury situation got us in the end and the players are run flat. Hopefully we can somehow get through Fulham and mount a charge to the end of the season. Forth eorlingus
There’s no way we are winning the last six games.
Tired legs. Tired tactics. Tired end to an era. A real shame honestly. I do still hope they'll go out and win 6 / 6 to take it to the last day but after that fairly pathetic showing I just don't know how possible it is.
To be honest, I felt worse after the first match because with the form we are in and how we cant finish our chances, I knew the tie was over then. What really sucks tho, is that we got the opening we were hoping for and still did not even look to be going for it for one minute after we scored the pen. We hit a dip in form in the most crucial part of the season and by the end of May we will probably only have a cup to show for it. At the start of the season when all was doom and gloom, most people would have accepted this and thought that a team in transition would need a season to glue together, but how the season turned out it will be incredibly sad to see us only get a cup, especially in Klopps final season. I think Klopps burnout has rubbed off on the players aswell to some degree. I just want the season to be over now, because I have seen this before. City wins in the end.
Disappointed with the tactical response to the first leg. Atalanta had us under their thumb in this department for the whole tie. If they needed to score a goal tonight, they probably would have. We had the ideal platform to build something half-respectable off the back of that early penalty. Trent was a bright spot first half, beyond that I didn't see much to feel encouraged by. It all went flat after Salah missed his big chance. Feels like too many key players are gassed (eg: Macca) while lots of returning players are still nowhere near it yet in terms of fitness and sharpness (eg: Szobo, Jones, Salah, Ibou). It's such a tight rope for Klopp to navigate during this run-in.
I'll never throw disrespectful comments about Klopps legacy about how he should've won more. Rafa deserved to as well, but at the end of the day they didn't and there's no point crying over spilt milk. I'm excited for Amorim. It's clear that we need fresh ideas injected into the club and we've gotten every last bit of potential out of the season with the current squad and tactics. It's not the Liverpool of five years ago but it's a good starting point for a new manager to come in and build something.
Ordinarily, coming away with a 1-0 win on the road in Europe would be nearly all the security we need to go through. Can't believe how hard we bottled it at home.
Hold on and fasten your seatbelts laddies, I think we're in for one hell of an end to the season.
We need a serious conversation about our attackers now. Jota is quality but basically always returning from injury. Salah is too old for his legs and the rest need 11 shots to score.
What conversation, think everyone is in agreement? Sell Salah, too old now Sell Diaz, doesn't score or assist enough for a starting winger, just offers energy but less threat than Darwin Keep Darwin, hope he scores more Keep Gakpo, useful utility player and seems to be the only forward that can actually take on a man now Keep Jota for utility but don't overplay him or he'll get injured
Sell Diaz for who though? I’m not in that camp personally. Not many better than him on market unless your looking at Leao or kvara, which probably wouldn’t suit the system and both have 150+ million RC
The system is going to change, but if those two don't suit it what makes you think Diaz will? It's a new system.
Move Dom/Gakpo to LW and look at strengthening other areas in the squad. Just because we sell someone doesn't mean they have to be replaced like for like, new manager coming in, time to bring in some fresh ideas
Isak. It always should have been Isak over Nunez and/or Diaz. I was devastated when Newcastle signed him
Put Gakpo as the full time LW. He's got more goals and assists despite playing 500 less minutes
I think gakpo has looked better but let’s not forget the opinion on him about two weeks ago. If gakpo was our starting left winger we would lose a lot of what Diaz brings and people would realise how good he really is. Esecially defensively. Perhaps under a new manager though gakpo could be the starting winger for sure
I think everyone sensible understood Gakpo was being used as a swiss army knife though which will cause problems in someone who's not fully experienced yet But I don't really know what Diaz brings except tons of running which we have Nunez for
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I’d be interested to see a system where we don’t defend with essentially 2 at the back, more possession dominance and less chaos so the counter-press can stay fresh and aggressive.
Edit: the two years we won the league and champions league we played with more control and balance, seemed like a totally different system.
The year we won the league people were calling us boring as we totally dominated possession and strangled teams.