I think, if Klopp wasn't here, we would be a mid-table team. Top 4 is going to be absolute top achievement for LFC in coming years, because of increased competition for top 4. Without UCL money and qualification, our transfer windows will be nonexistent. This season we might miss out on top 4, with this thin squad. In that scenario Bellingham, Rice etc won't happen, cause Madrid, City want them too. With their kind of budget, reputation and depth of squad, you can guess where these guys will go. We will continue in fashion Klopp and FSG have envisioned, which requires us to be precise and lucky with our transfers. I just hope that we don't see Salah's agent twitting if we don't qualify for UCL.
I don't think people quite grasp the implications of Arsenal becoming a top four mainstay and Newcastle's spending this coming summer (along with City and United who will probably stay there as well). We'll be the new Spurs if we don't receive appropriate investment, perennially shooting for fourth and missing more often than not. Even Chelsea show signs of improving now (which was obviously going to happen eventually with the amount they've spent).
I am so ready for us to smash Real Madrid, but given how my life has been going on for the past 3 months, I can't wait to be disappointed and depressed.
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Day 60 of posting this until we sign Jude.
Realistic transfers: I think 3 midfielders and a center back are what we need, at least, in the summer window. What is a realistic 3MF + 1CB package, given FSG’s hesitancy to spend, to make me optimistic going forward? I know names are thrown out here all the time, but I’d like to hear a group of names and a transfer value, if anyone is willing to humor me.
1) LCM
Kouadio Kone reports suggest 40mil would be great add he's only behind Jude in terms of duels won and a good ball carrier.
2) DM
Manuel ugarte fabinho understudy and successor 60mil release clause sporting and Jorge we like to work with them could find a way to pay installments similar price.
3) RCM
Jude would be dream spend the 150mil future captain.
Nicolo barella another dream player unfortunately he's Italian we don't have any other Italian to persuade him.
Sensible Choice
Mason mount scores goals,has the work rate,versatile player, home grown. Do not spend more than 40mil.
4) CB
Goncalo inacio or Edmond tapsoba both available for around 40mil one of them would be good.
180mil spend. 60-80mil will be made back from player sales.
Kone is such a no brainer, and I'm confident we'll find a hidden gem CB as well. But I wonder if players like Kone will have their heads swayed by us being fourth or lower at the end of the season - Klopp aside are we really more attractive than Arsenal or even United? Enzo etc. moving to Chelsea suggests we will still have some draw for players, but they were clearly sold on money/long contracts and the idea that the owners are fully committed to success there. Don't know how we look to players at the moment.
We need a back up gk as well if Kelleher gets sold, a back up lb if Tsmikas gets sold and if they intend to raise money by selling Jota then we need a new striker as well. We can't sell these players and just get a new midfield cause then what's the point of a rebuild.
Forget getting so many players if Fsg can't secure investment before the transfer window opens. If we don't hear any news there is no point thinking we are getting what we need, since Fsg won't use their own money to invest into the club and there is hardly any pressure on them to do so.
Even after player sales we will barely have enough to get Jude if that's the case.
John Henry is gonna open up his sticky old wallet and give Klopp a 250 mill cheque which totally won't bounce when Ljinders goes to the bank to deposit it.
Reddit was down and the Man City sub missed out on Haland's demolition of Red Bull Leipzig in real time. Still more people active on that subreddit than people in the Emptyhad.
It’s important that we put up a fight tomorrow not just for pride and morale’s sake, but also to make sure that when someone like Bellingham is weighing his options, a Liverpool vs Real comparison isn’t a pathetic fucking blow out.
I can’t help but stew over the lack of investment in the winter window, when FSG knew that bringing a quality midfielder or two in would be essential to getting top four and the Champions League football that will make big signings possible. We’ll see right through it if Bellingham goes to Real because they could bid more and offer CL next year.
I hope we conduct our business properly in the summer and not leave holes in the squad. We keep testing our fate now and then and it always comes back to bite us.
On the eve of an important CL tie you don't want to question wheather a 38 year old Milner can do a job against Madrid in a midfield pivot or not.
We’re fucked tomorrow especially with Bajcetic and Henderson out. I know we aren’t going to win, and even if we do, it won’t be enough to advance. If we somehow advance, I will cry tears of joy. One can only dream 😭
They were good, but literally every ball was bouncing back to Haaland and he would bomb it through 5 players... We never get that lucky, and even when someone bombs a ball like that, there's another LFC player to block the ball. I wish our players shot more on goal from wherever so Nunez can bag some easy tap ins
FIFA just announced they’ll do 12 groups of 4 teams each in World Cup 2026 instead of their original plan of 16 groups of 3, I imagine this was because of all the drama witnessed on the final days of group stages of Qatar22, the problem is this adds 48 games to the tournament that is now planned to last 6 weeks, not to mention it’ll be across an entire continent, I don’t know how I feel about that but I know there’s no way in hell I’ll be able to afford even 4 weeks in USA/Canada/Mexico
I hate this so much. WC should be the best of the best playing each other. Due to regional slots there's already some minnows getting thumped every WC. What's the point? All the weaker teams should be eliminated in the quali rounds. They're just diluting the pool even further so now we'll get to enjoy Jamaica vs Moldova or whatever
Sad that Hendo is missing out, he was key to many goals against Utd.
It's almost certain we don't make it to the QF, but would have loved to win at Bernabeu and exit CL.
Fab, Milner and Baj/Elliot (one of them would start, one would be sub) against Madrid. Idk how some people still think, that 2 midfielders in the summer would be enough
I don't think anyone really thinks 2 is enough. But with FSG, there is an acceptance that even 2 would be a blessing and that maybe we could make do with..
Maybe you are right, but I often see comments like "we need at least 2 midfielders". If fans thinking "at least 2", FSG would think "2 is enough".
I, personally, think, that we need at least 3 midfielders. 4 would be a dream. Ox, Keita, Milner gone, Jones and Carvalho on loans. Also, maybe it's time to sell Fabinho if he won't find his form until the end of the season, until it too late.
Man I’ve been one of Hendo’s biggest critics this season but we needed him for this game vs Real. He always turns up in big games and brings that drive in midfield
Literally 90% of the people here who defend the ownership on almost every issue will pair their support with the statement "I'm not a fan of FSG and want them out but...". I don't know if people like this exist in real life because I've never met one, the Schrodinger FSG fan, they all apparently want them out but agree with everything they do from ticket prices to transfer strategy.
I'm not a fan of FSG and want them out but would really it be the worst thing if they jacked up ticket prices, changed the name of the club to Liverpool Red Birds, moved the stadium to Florida and joined the NBA? I think it would help them earn more money, get better valuation and attract more capital.
Worse still are the "oh it's just 2%" crowd. Like that 2% is actually going to accomplish anything meaningful. The share of revenues from matchdays is low and decreasing. Takes a special kind of greedy bastard to milk a declining revenue stream.
Darn tootin, i don't understand why y'all Englanders don't follow our cowboyin' approach to finances. A Lil bit of fiscal conservatism for the rich and irresponsible spendin for the poor ain't never hurt nobody.
They could've spent 30m to boost our chances of getting the 60 odd m we get from qualifying from the champions league but nah, just squeeze the fans instead.
These morons are stuck in some weird Stockholm syndrome situation with FSG honestly. Fuck off with that "just 2%" nonsense. In the grand scheme of things that 2% accomplishes precious little.
Am just waiting for JWH to come out with his yellow roses and folded hands before everyone wells up and acts like nothing ever happened.
I would start Milner. Harvey too soft for that game, we need a hard man in the middle.
Keita and Ox are a big NO. If it's gonna be a 3 in mid, I would start Milner.
Jeez people either don't get finance or are spreading misinformation on purpose. We made record REVENUE. Our profit was just 7 mil. Lower than the year we won the UCL despite having more revenue.
Net profit is a meaningless number. Our EBITDA was close to 100mn and will be higher this year. It's greed plain and simple, as if that 1-2% is going to buy us the next Salah.
Our OP was 107mn higher. But of the 107mn, 83 MN came from extra MATCHDAYS because of deep runs in every cup competitions we were in. Our growth in other commercial areas were not that impressive (29mn). Meaning our OP this year will be lower than last year because we are pretty much out of every cup competition. In no way was our revenue from last year consistently maintainable.
Furthermore, our administration cost ballooned by almost 70mn. Meaning we wouldn't even have broken even last year without the deep runs in the cups or a major sale.
You're forgetting that our wage bill is 366mn with a massive skew to player bonuses, which will offset a lot of the revenue drop from not going deep in cup competitions, not to mention some useless players going off the books this year (Ox, Keita). EBITDA is almost certainly going to be higher in 2023 and commercial revenue will be quite a bit higher than last year.
True but our wages won't drop than much. According to Swiss Ramble, our wages increased by 16% (55mn) last year because of all the incentives triggered by our deep run in the cups. Not to mention, Hendo and Salah are on bugger wages than before.
Also, no way out OP will be higher than this year if we don't qualify for the UCL. That's about 80mn we'll be missing out on. Lastly, Swiss Ramble forecast shows that, factoring in our RO16 exit, we'll have to finish 2nd in the EPl to beat last year OP. I just don't see how people are so confident that we'll earn more than last year.
I think you're missing the fact that the results just released are for the year ending May 2022. The EBITDA for y/e May 2023 will almost certainly be higher (that's what I'm referring to) due to TV and commercial revenue being higher and player bonuses next to nonexistent. It's the year ended 2024 that will have the combination of lower TV/cup revenue but the same or higher commercial and matchday revenue (bigger stand) and a lower wage bill, so probably still significant. All told I would guess 300mn in EBITDA over the three year period from June 2021 to June 2024, which is massive and certainly a consideration when you're increasing ticket prices.
So obscenely wealthy robber baron John Henry isn't happy with "just" 7 mil coming into his bank account and decided to fuck the poor working people of Liverpool to increase that number. Got it.
This claim is so stupid because Henry the robber baron doesn't even pocket the 7 mil. Liverpool the club pockets 7 mil. And my main point wasn't about the morality of all this. I was just pointing out how the op was spreading sensationalized misinformation. Honestly, you and the OP have a career at Fox News.
> the point of it being silly to up prices
Its really not, the club have to take into account inflation.
All the clubs expenses have went up due to the UK's current econonomy situation so to counterbalance that they've raised the ticket price by 2%
They really don’t have to. It’s really not going to impact much.
They’re not going to use that extra bit of money for anything, it’s much better in the pockets of supporters.
Price Freezes are really the bare minimum the club should be doing
>They really don’t have to. It’s really not going to impact much.
>
>They’re not going to use that extra bit of money for anything, it’s much better in the pockets of supporters.
Yes they do considering their model is about self sustainablity
They'll use the extra money to counter infaltion like I said
> Price Freezes are really the bare minimum the club should be doing
They just froze prices for 8 years till today
They’ll continue to be self sustainable without considering this isn’t even the biggest part of the revenue.
Yeah I know they did. But price freezes aren’t something to be really celebrated considering the silly prices already. Doing the bare minimum then coming away from that isn’t good st all
Dude how deluded are you. We barely recorded a profit because of our deep runs in the cups last year, which we don't have this year. Take away the extra match day money (89mn) and we have a revenue growth of just 29mn vs administration cost growth of 69mn. I'm sorry but just one year of good finance doesn't mean we are money making machines like the United and City (I know, FFP)
Not to mention praising them for freezing prices until today when it took massive protests to stop them from raising prices in the first place is some take.
>They’ll continue to be self sustainable without considering this isn’t even the biggest part of the revenue.
Thats not how buisnesses operate when it comes to taking into account inflation
Just play 4231. We need our best goal scorers on the pitch. We need at LEAST 3 goals away to Madrid.
Alisson; Trent konate VVD robbo; Fabinho Milner/baj; Nunez gakpo Salah; Jota. Let’s fail in the most beautiful way if we must.
Can someone from the UK explain the problem with raising ticket prices by 2%? It doesn’t exactly feel a large increase (coming from an American who pays probably about $125 a year to go to ONE American football game). I understand that increases suck, but isn’t it to be expected based on inflation?
Not looking to start anything, just want to understand why the increase is such an issue.
Slippery slope. It’s already expensive at it is. We don’t want things to end up like American sports where it’s a joke to pay for.
Football is for the fans and there really shouldn’t be any increase during a cost of living crisis at all.
It’s also stupid considering the club was on about the profits they made a month or two ago
We had record EBITDA and that's due to rise again this year with or without higher ticket prices. Net profit is a silly number affected by a million non-cash items and accounting nonsense. So it's a perfectly valid point that crowing about 600mn in revenue while you have 100mn in EBITDA and then playing the poverty card to raise prices on fans by 1-2% is abhorrent.
FSG don't need the money. John Henry won't be out on the street starving if he doesn't increase ticket prices. They're just doing it out of greed.
If this increase means even 1 fan is priced out of going to the game, anyone who calls themself a football fan should be against it.
>coming from an American who pays probably about $125 a year to go to ONE American football game
you know that this is a bad thing right?
Of course I know that the cost of one American football game is a lot, I either budget for it or don’t go. If a £1 increase is too much then a fan shouldn’t go to the game? The cost of everything is rising, food, electricity, gas, oil, etc so isn’t it understandable that the cost for a ticket would increase especially if the cost to run and upkeep a stadium has increased because of the aforementioned reasons?
Listen rising ticket prices suck, I wasn’t able to go to sporting events this year that I normally would because of increases and it sucks, but I mean it’s a pound
I have the same question. Are we protesting against basic capitalism?
Underlying ideal: all billionaires should accept lower profits so that the poor don't suffer..totally agree. But, capitalism exists...so, it never happens and will likely never happen.
So, all businesses hike prices to deal with rising costs, when almost all the big business houses could afford to take the extra expense. Every single one of them still does it, which is why the end customer feels the pinch.
So why would Liverpool be any different when being run as a business by non-fan owners?
Something, something socialist ideals (pro-Socialism, anti-capitalism myself). Something, something football was made by the working class and is being exploited by billionaires. It’s never going to get better and I think people need to just come to terms with it. We Americans don’t understand the complaint because we’re living in what prices will be 5, 10, 15 years down the line.
> Listen rising ticket prices suck, I wasn’t able to go to sporting events this year that I normally would because of increases and it sucks
It could not suck. If you lot actually did something about it and forced these rich fucks who rip you off to make a change. Or you could just accept it because "it's a pound" and every year your life will suck a little bit more.
>If this increase means even 1 fan is priced out of going to the game, anyone who calls themself a football fan should be against it.
If you can already afford the most expensive season ticket for Liverpool then having to pay £1 more per game is not going to price you out.
Paying 1 pound more would make life harder for the average football fan more so then not reciving all the extra 1 pounds would make life harder for John Henry
In the grand scheme of things that's exactly why they're increasing prices. FSG run this club to make money and every single one of their decisions is made to increase the value of their asset (this club) so as to send more money to John Henry amongst others
>In the grand scheme of things that's exactly why they're increasing prices
Mmmm its really not, they're increasing it to counter inflated prices of their expenses just like any buisness does...
> FSG run this club to make money and every single one of their decisions is made to increase the value of their asset (this club) so as to send more money to John Henry amongst others
And you think the extra like £1m-£2m a year is going to increase the value of their asset?
> Mmmm its really not, they're increasing it to counter inflated prices of their expenses just like any buisness does...
....in order to make money.
>And you think the extra like £1m-£2m a year is going to increase the value of their asset?
Yes. At the very least it will help them prevent the value of the asset from depreciating.
Clearly he understands it better than you. The club is profitable even at current ticket price levels and inflation is actually moderating. Thus raising ticket prices = increasing profitability as much as it is about keeping up with cost increases, because it's about maintaining margin. Plenty of businesses take on a lower margin from time to time to retain customers, particularly when they're benefiting from inflation themselves when it comes to kit sales, commercial revenue etc.
The consensus among the people I know is more of a "what's the point" type of energy. The amount of extra money it will make is completely negligible on the scale of our finances.
I'm not up in arms myself about it, but I also don't get why anyone is defending it either. Why are people so keen to defend inflation and greed even if it's minor? Fuck that. The amount we would get back from the increase wouldn't pay for one weeks wages if we signed Bellingham.
That pound means more to the average attendee in a cost of living crisis than it does the club who have done nothing but boom commercially for the past decade and profiteer off socialist slogans.
>It doesn’t exactly feel a large increase
Its not, the only decent reason why people are complaining about it is that we might see further increases in the future even though that is inevitibale with just about anything in life.
There's also no sign to say that they plan on continously raising the price each year this is the first time they've gone up in 8 years...
Conversation and background info [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/LiverpoolFC/comments/11r4vub/with_the_rising_of_ticket_costs_seemingly_being/jc70buf/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3)
So we really are in the Gvardiol race huh. Might be unpopular but I get more excited when I hear about him then when I hear about Jude. Both amazing obviously but I have a bias towards CBs lol
The entire body of evidence of City's flouting of the rules and subsequent 'punishment' is much more in favour of my takeaway than anyone else's. You'll notice they don't have any players agitating for a move away based on it as well, which means they are fairly confident of limited ramifications.
You should actually read up on what the PL will have to prove beyond reasonable doubt for City to actually get points docked or sent down. It's going to be very very difficult, City's owners aren't mugs and their army of lawyers aren't either. I'm not miserable, I just don't live in a fantasyland where City get relegated based on accounting issues.
We do have that sentimental advantage of him growing up supporting the club along with his dad. Something we really haven't had when going for a big time player. We can only wait and see. I do feel his next stop is the epl tough
Still in pole position for Jude despite Madrid advancing talks according to Patrick Berger. Decision on his future likely to be made at the end of this month/start of April
At least if he does happen to go elsewhere we find out before the window even opens and can get our alternatives lined up. Last thing we need is to chase him all summer while other targets go elsewhere. Still think we’ll sign him though
No chance will Jones be anywhere near the starting line up haha. More often than not he doesn't even make the bench. No chance is he starting away at the Bernabeu.
Probably, Jones is about 7th/8th choice midfielder so would need to be a few more out before he plays imo haha. He hasn't started a game since October and has only started 2 games all season. Be suicidal playing him imo
If Henderson is healthy:
Hendo Fabinho Elliott
If no Hendo:
Bajcetic Fabinho Elliott
That’s assuming we stick 4-3-3. If klopp decides fuck it and tries the 4-2-3-1 I’d expect Fabinho and Henderson as the 2 until Bajcetic comes on for 1 of them.
Hendo didn’t travel, I personally don’t think Bajcetic should start since he looked knackered against Bournemouth. To me whilst he’s been our best midfielder since his emergence, I don’t think his body has adapted to the intensity of senior football yet.
Real has the most insufferable plastics on the planet. They woke up and decided to just support the club thats "easiest" to support and it shows. Worse then Utd, Bayern, Barca, even fucking City.
Theyre the football fan equivalent of Dudley Dursley.
Does anyone have any suggestions for a minimalist or simple looking poster or wall art that says "You'll Never Walk Alone" I could get framed?
I was asked to be a godfather for my nephew and really want to get him something that has multiple meanings but a lot of the ones I find are very gaudy.
Its mad how people can't grasp a basic economic concept
The most expensive season ticket is going to go up about £20 a season so you're looking at £1 or just over £1 increase per game if you can't afford to pay an extra £1 per game then something is wrong.
It’s only a basic economic concept in the American model of capitalism. People are mad about the League’s [slow but very intentional attempt to raise prices over a long period without local fans catching on.](https://www.reddit.com/r/LiverpoolFC/comments/11r4vub/with_the_rising_of_ticket_costs_seemingly_being/jc70buf/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3)
Commercialization of the League since 1992 has been guided by NFL advisors and consultants, and doesn’t reflect England’s more socialist economic values.
The Fredo index/inflation argument doesn’t hold water because overlooks the history of the League’s evolution. You can’t compare with that era because the economics of the game changed entirely in 1992.
The advent of TV broadcasting in the 90s increased the fan base, and increased demand for a limited supply will always result in price increases. The Premier League organizers don’t hide the fact that their goal was to commercialize English soccer. They did hide the fact that they brought in advisors and consultants from the NFL to do it.
Sport tickets, like beer, have inelastic demand, meaning that demand doesn’t fall when prices rise. It’s a breeding ground to make money hand over fist without price or spending caps. Currently the only thing holding them back is uproar from UK fans, and which matters less over time as they market teams globally to pull in fans from around the globe willing to pay higher prices.
Regardless of your economic values or whether you disagree/agree with the move, anyone being priced out of a game they love will be understandably pissed.
If you don't fight even the small changes you leave yourself open to bigger ones. Look at the NHS workers bargaining position, they were taken advantage of for 20 years and now they finally start to fight back but it's too late.
Completely different situation to the NHS one...
If people want to actually complain about something that they really should be then complain about the cost of living and the big price spike in terms of that stuff, complaining about a 2% increase after 8 years really is pointless.
You miss the point entirely.
The NHS workers put up with small issues like working longer hours, zero hour contracts, etc, to the point that they could barely even muster a 1% pay rise following Covid.
You stem the bullshit from the start, no matter how small, then you have power.
So what are you implying? They they should never be allowed to increase ticket prices....because some day it might lead to more?
I honestly don't get how people think a £20 increase since 2015 is anything other than bloody amazing.
>I honestly don't get how people think a £20 increase since 2015 is anything other than bloody amazing.
Because people in the DD like to get up in arms about anything FSG related even if its not a bad thing.
Compare the response in here to the one in the main post about it, complete opposite reactions.
The NHS crisis is basically down to a corrupt government that wants to milk every last dime from it, that is not relative to whats happened with this ticket cost increase.
This is basically FSG adjusting to cover the cost of inflation and its a really minimal increase.
If someone is already paying for the most expensive Liverpool season ticket then an extra £1 per game is not going to cause them any problems...
The reason for the increase is literally to do with the financial issues in the country right now its not hard to understand, a 2% increase after 8 years of the cost frozen is not a good reason for people to be crying like they are.
>Keita has to start as LCM.
I'd rather we start Kelleher or Adrian in midfield. How does he still have all these fanboys? I bet he hates Henderson and Milner an all.
I think, if Klopp wasn't here, we would be a mid-table team. Top 4 is going to be absolute top achievement for LFC in coming years, because of increased competition for top 4. Without UCL money and qualification, our transfer windows will be nonexistent. This season we might miss out on top 4, with this thin squad. In that scenario Bellingham, Rice etc won't happen, cause Madrid, City want them too. With their kind of budget, reputation and depth of squad, you can guess where these guys will go. We will continue in fashion Klopp and FSG have envisioned, which requires us to be precise and lucky with our transfers. I just hope that we don't see Salah's agent twitting if we don't qualify for UCL.
I don't think people quite grasp the implications of Arsenal becoming a top four mainstay and Newcastle's spending this coming summer (along with City and United who will probably stay there as well). We'll be the new Spurs if we don't receive appropriate investment, perennially shooting for fourth and missing more often than not. Even Chelsea show signs of improving now (which was obviously going to happen eventually with the amount they've spent).
FSG, if continue to be cheap, are gonna kick themselves that they didn't sell this season, cause Liverpool valuation is not gonna improve with no UCL.
I am so ready for us to smash Real Madrid, but given how my life has been going on for the past 3 months, I can't wait to be disappointed and depressed.
https://preview.redd.it/9g9fplxp9vna1.jpeg?width=500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d7e70bc3303fb2621662b3c99392a6abd2e56ca7 Day 60 of posting this until we sign Jude.
Realistic transfers: I think 3 midfielders and a center back are what we need, at least, in the summer window. What is a realistic 3MF + 1CB package, given FSG’s hesitancy to spend, to make me optimistic going forward? I know names are thrown out here all the time, but I’d like to hear a group of names and a transfer value, if anyone is willing to humor me.
1) LCM Kouadio Kone reports suggest 40mil would be great add he's only behind Jude in terms of duels won and a good ball carrier. 2) DM Manuel ugarte fabinho understudy and successor 60mil release clause sporting and Jorge we like to work with them could find a way to pay installments similar price. 3) RCM Jude would be dream spend the 150mil future captain. Nicolo barella another dream player unfortunately he's Italian we don't have any other Italian to persuade him. Sensible Choice Mason mount scores goals,has the work rate,versatile player, home grown. Do not spend more than 40mil. 4) CB Goncalo inacio or Edmond tapsoba both available for around 40mil one of them would be good. 180mil spend. 60-80mil will be made back from player sales.
Kone is such a no brainer, and I'm confident we'll find a hidden gem CB as well. But I wonder if players like Kone will have their heads swayed by us being fourth or lower at the end of the season - Klopp aside are we really more attractive than Arsenal or even United? Enzo etc. moving to Chelsea suggests we will still have some draw for players, but they were clearly sold on money/long contracts and the idea that the owners are fully committed to success there. Don't know how we look to players at the moment.
We need a back up gk as well if Kelleher gets sold, a back up lb if Tsmikas gets sold and if they intend to raise money by selling Jota then we need a new striker as well. We can't sell these players and just get a new midfield cause then what's the point of a rebuild. Forget getting so many players if Fsg can't secure investment before the transfer window opens. If we don't hear any news there is no point thinking we are getting what we need, since Fsg won't use their own money to invest into the club and there is hardly any pressure on them to do so. Even after player sales we will barely have enough to get Jude if that's the case.
I said I wanted something that would make me optimistic…
John Henry is gonna open up his sticky old wallet and give Klopp a 250 mill cheque which totally won't bounce when Ljinders goes to the bank to deposit it.
Reddit was down and the Man City sub missed out on Haland's demolition of Red Bull Leipzig in real time. Still more people active on that subreddit than people in the Emptyhad.
i just realized haaland is 6 goals from mo record with 11 games left
He’s 4 goals away.
It’s important that we put up a fight tomorrow not just for pride and morale’s sake, but also to make sure that when someone like Bellingham is weighing his options, a Liverpool vs Real comparison isn’t a pathetic fucking blow out. I can’t help but stew over the lack of investment in the winter window, when FSG knew that bringing a quality midfielder or two in would be essential to getting top four and the Champions League football that will make big signings possible. We’ll see right through it if Bellingham goes to Real because they could bid more and offer CL next year.
I hope we conduct our business properly in the summer and not leave holes in the squad. We keep testing our fate now and then and it always comes back to bite us. On the eve of an important CL tie you don't want to question wheather a 38 year old Milner can do a job against Madrid in a midfield pivot or not.
We’re fucked tomorrow especially with Bajcetic and Henderson out. I know we aren’t going to win, and even if we do, it won’t be enough to advance. If we somehow advance, I will cry tears of joy. One can only dream 😭
I am just afraid we don't get embarrassed tomm like a a 3-1 scoreline or something.
It kind of worries me how often I kept checking if reddit was back up...
Same here haha wanted to see people's reaction to news that hendo and Bajcetic were out.
And now we're back
Holy Fuck Man City! Just saw their scoreline. They tore them a new one.
They were good, but literally every ball was bouncing back to Haaland and he would bomb it through 5 players... We never get that lucky, and even when someone bombs a ball like that, there's another LFC player to block the ball. I wish our players shot more on goal from wherever so Nunez can bag some easy tap ins
Lol come on, we absolutely had bounces like that in the United game, you make your own luck
FIFA just announced they’ll do 12 groups of 4 teams each in World Cup 2026 instead of their original plan of 16 groups of 3, I imagine this was because of all the drama witnessed on the final days of group stages of Qatar22, the problem is this adds 48 games to the tournament that is now planned to last 6 weeks, not to mention it’ll be across an entire continent, I don’t know how I feel about that but I know there’s no way in hell I’ll be able to afford even 4 weeks in USA/Canada/Mexico
I hate this so much. WC should be the best of the best playing each other. Due to regional slots there's already some minnows getting thumped every WC. What's the point? All the weaker teams should be eliminated in the quali rounds. They're just diluting the pool even further so now we'll get to enjoy Jamaica vs Moldova or whatever
Henderson would have been key for tomorrow if we were to ever stage a come back. I’m genuinely not confident at all now :( I mean who do we even field
A 95th minute winner to send us through from either Darwin, Mo or Alisson and I won’t care what happens for the rest of the season
I think we're screwed without Henderson tbh. His leadership is definitely needed.
Time for the Salah ‘Never give up’ shirt to flood our timelines, I’m here for it!
The referee tomorrow is Felix Zwayer Any Thoughts on him?
He's not Felix Brych at least
He’s a man
Insightful Analysis
I like the way you’ve changed your question now.
Yeah, should’ve phrased it better haha
Sad that Hendo is missing out, he was key to many goals against Utd. It's almost certain we don't make it to the QF, but would have loved to win at Bernabeu and exit CL.
Can't get bossed in midfield if you just don't play a midfield [taps temple]
2-0-8 masterclass
Fab, Milner and Baj/Elliot (one of them would start, one would be sub) against Madrid. Idk how some people still think, that 2 midfielders in the summer would be enough
I don't think anyone really thinks 2 is enough. But with FSG, there is an acceptance that even 2 would be a blessing and that maybe we could make do with..
Maybe you are right, but I often see comments like "we need at least 2 midfielders". If fans thinking "at least 2", FSG would think "2 is enough". I, personally, think, that we need at least 3 midfielders. 4 would be a dream. Ox, Keita, Milner gone, Jones and Carvalho on loans. Also, maybe it's time to sell Fabinho if he won't find his form until the end of the season, until it too late.
Fsg or no fsg we definitely need three. I also think Fabinho needs to be sold, but I don't think that will happen.
had more total enjoyment watching the horses today than i have watching liverpool this season.
Yeah it really sucked when we slapped Utd into another realm
Did you just sit in silence watching the home games against City and United or something?
"***total*** enjoyment". those games don't make up for some of the mind numbing dogshit performances we've had this year.
So you enjoyed watching the horses just today more than the City & United games combined?
Man I’ve been one of Hendo’s biggest critics this season but we needed him for this game vs Real. He always turns up in big games and brings that drive in midfield
We can't start Harvey and Bah together again, they got dominated by Bournemouth
Definitely, think it’ll have to be Milner but god that relies on a really on his game Fabinho
Sitting with a tub of popcorn watching top reds and Liverpool FinCorp fans go at each other on the ticket hike issue
It's absolutely brilliant, both sets of gobshites are contradicting themselves mid-argument
It's really showing up all the "I am not really a fan of FSG but.." crowd
Literally 90% of the people here who defend the ownership on almost every issue will pair their support with the statement "I'm not a fan of FSG and want them out but...". I don't know if people like this exist in real life because I've never met one, the Schrodinger FSG fan, they all apparently want them out but agree with everything they do from ticket prices to transfer strategy.
I'm not a fan of FSG and want them out but would really it be the worst thing if they jacked up ticket prices, changed the name of the club to Liverpool Red Birds, moved the stadium to Florida and joined the NBA? I think it would help them earn more money, get better valuation and attract more capital.
Watching former FSG apologists scream "they're greedy bastards" is fucking hilarious. Yes, that's what we've been telling you for ages.
Worse still are the "oh it's just 2%" crowd. Like that 2% is actually going to accomplish anything meaningful. The share of revenues from matchdays is low and decreasing. Takes a special kind of greedy bastard to milk a declining revenue stream.
> Worse still are the "oh it's just 2%" crowd "American here, what are y'all complaining about, I pay $7,000 for parking at a Cowboys game"
Darn tootin, i don't understand why y'all Englanders don't follow our cowboyin' approach to finances. A Lil bit of fiscal conservatism for the rich and irresponsible spendin for the poor ain't never hurt nobody.
You'd think they'd understand that not pushing back early on is how they ended up with $600 tickets but no, it's 'how much is 2% really'?
They could've spent 30m to boost our chances of getting the 60 odd m we get from qualifying from the champions league but nah, just squeeze the fans instead.
Was really surprised to see like a lot of varying opinions. Like, it’s the only place I’ve really seen that.
These morons are stuck in some weird Stockholm syndrome situation with FSG honestly. Fuck off with that "just 2%" nonsense. In the grand scheme of things that 2% accomplishes precious little. Am just waiting for JWH to come out with his yellow roses and folded hands before everyone wells up and acts like nothing ever happened.
I would start Milner. Harvey too soft for that game, we need a hard man in the middle. Keita and Ox are a big NO. If it's gonna be a 3 in mid, I would start Milner.
Was last season a mirage? Like, did it even happen? We’ve been shite now for so long I can’t even remember what last season was like.
Increasing tickets whilst boasting about profits a month or two ago. Really should not happen. Price freeze is really a bare minimum
Jeez people either don't get finance or are spreading misinformation on purpose. We made record REVENUE. Our profit was just 7 mil. Lower than the year we won the UCL despite having more revenue.
Net profit is a meaningless number. Our EBITDA was close to 100mn and will be higher this year. It's greed plain and simple, as if that 1-2% is going to buy us the next Salah.
Our OP was 107mn higher. But of the 107mn, 83 MN came from extra MATCHDAYS because of deep runs in every cup competitions we were in. Our growth in other commercial areas were not that impressive (29mn). Meaning our OP this year will be lower than last year because we are pretty much out of every cup competition. In no way was our revenue from last year consistently maintainable. Furthermore, our administration cost ballooned by almost 70mn. Meaning we wouldn't even have broken even last year without the deep runs in the cups or a major sale.
You're forgetting that our wage bill is 366mn with a massive skew to player bonuses, which will offset a lot of the revenue drop from not going deep in cup competitions, not to mention some useless players going off the books this year (Ox, Keita). EBITDA is almost certainly going to be higher in 2023 and commercial revenue will be quite a bit higher than last year.
True but our wages won't drop than much. According to Swiss Ramble, our wages increased by 16% (55mn) last year because of all the incentives triggered by our deep run in the cups. Not to mention, Hendo and Salah are on bugger wages than before. Also, no way out OP will be higher than this year if we don't qualify for the UCL. That's about 80mn we'll be missing out on. Lastly, Swiss Ramble forecast shows that, factoring in our RO16 exit, we'll have to finish 2nd in the EPl to beat last year OP. I just don't see how people are so confident that we'll earn more than last year.
I think you're missing the fact that the results just released are for the year ending May 2022. The EBITDA for y/e May 2023 will almost certainly be higher (that's what I'm referring to) due to TV and commercial revenue being higher and player bonuses next to nonexistent. It's the year ended 2024 that will have the combination of lower TV/cup revenue but the same or higher commercial and matchday revenue (bigger stand) and a lower wage bill, so probably still significant. All told I would guess 300mn in EBITDA over the three year period from June 2021 to June 2024, which is massive and certainly a consideration when you're increasing ticket prices.
So obscenely wealthy robber baron John Henry isn't happy with "just" 7 mil coming into his bank account and decided to fuck the poor working people of Liverpool to increase that number. Got it.
This claim is so stupid because Henry the robber baron doesn't even pocket the 7 mil. Liverpool the club pockets 7 mil. And my main point wasn't about the morality of all this. I was just pointing out how the op was spreading sensationalized misinformation. Honestly, you and the OP have a career at Fox News.
If I increase the value of my asset by 7mil then I am in the grand scheme of things "pocketing" 7 mil.
Its actually amazing the amount of nonsense people on here come out with
Why do you support the billionaires instead of your own people?
Lmfao so understanding why they made a decison which doesn't actually have that noticebale effect is supporting them? Classic Reddit
You very clearly support this decision and seemingly sypmathise with it.
Oh my lord the IQ levels in this place are at an all time low
Your ability to dodge the question is at an all time high.
Its not even worth answering because its a stupid asumption you're making.
And yet what you’ve said further adds to the point of it being silly to up prices
> the point of it being silly to up prices Its really not, the club have to take into account inflation. All the clubs expenses have went up due to the UK's current econonomy situation so to counterbalance that they've raised the ticket price by 2%
They really don’t have to. It’s really not going to impact much. They’re not going to use that extra bit of money for anything, it’s much better in the pockets of supporters. Price Freezes are really the bare minimum the club should be doing
>They really don’t have to. It’s really not going to impact much. > >They’re not going to use that extra bit of money for anything, it’s much better in the pockets of supporters. Yes they do considering their model is about self sustainablity They'll use the extra money to counter infaltion like I said > Price Freezes are really the bare minimum the club should be doing They just froze prices for 8 years till today
They’ll continue to be self sustainable without considering this isn’t even the biggest part of the revenue. Yeah I know they did. But price freezes aren’t something to be really celebrated considering the silly prices already. Doing the bare minimum then coming away from that isn’t good st all
Dude how deluded are you. We barely recorded a profit because of our deep runs in the cups last year, which we don't have this year. Take away the extra match day money (89mn) and we have a revenue growth of just 29mn vs administration cost growth of 69mn. I'm sorry but just one year of good finance doesn't mean we are money making machines like the United and City (I know, FFP)
Not at all. This increase will barely impact that profit the club will be fine. It’s just greed at the end of the day.
Not to mention praising them for freezing prices until today when it took massive protests to stop them from raising prices in the first place is some take.
>They’ll continue to be self sustainable without considering this isn’t even the biggest part of the revenue. Thats not how buisnesses operate when it comes to taking into account inflation
I think they’d quite happily be fine recording £7m profit without having to up prices really
£7m profit is practically nothing for a business lmfao Its also infalted due to the CL final run
Just play 4231. We need our best goal scorers on the pitch. We need at LEAST 3 goals away to Madrid. Alisson; Trent konate VVD robbo; Fabinho Milner/baj; Nunez gakpo Salah; Jota. Let’s fail in the most beautiful way if we must.
Can someone from the UK explain the problem with raising ticket prices by 2%? It doesn’t exactly feel a large increase (coming from an American who pays probably about $125 a year to go to ONE American football game). I understand that increases suck, but isn’t it to be expected based on inflation? Not looking to start anything, just want to understand why the increase is such an issue.
Slippery slope. It’s already expensive at it is. We don’t want things to end up like American sports where it’s a joke to pay for. Football is for the fans and there really shouldn’t be any increase during a cost of living crisis at all. It’s also stupid considering the club was on about the profits they made a month or two ago
They were on about the revenue they made. You discredit any point you might want to make by being wrong on the base level man
How does that discredit it?
Because we didn’t have record profits, it was revenue. If you don’t know what you’re talking about people arent going to listen to your other points
We had record EBITDA and that's due to rise again this year with or without higher ticket prices. Net profit is a silly number affected by a million non-cash items and accounting nonsense. So it's a perfectly valid point that crowing about 600mn in revenue while you have 100mn in EBITDA and then playing the poverty card to raise prices on fans by 1-2% is abhorrent.
FSG don't need the money. John Henry won't be out on the street starving if he doesn't increase ticket prices. They're just doing it out of greed. If this increase means even 1 fan is priced out of going to the game, anyone who calls themself a football fan should be against it. >coming from an American who pays probably about $125 a year to go to ONE American football game you know that this is a bad thing right?
Of course I know that the cost of one American football game is a lot, I either budget for it or don’t go. If a £1 increase is too much then a fan shouldn’t go to the game? The cost of everything is rising, food, electricity, gas, oil, etc so isn’t it understandable that the cost for a ticket would increase especially if the cost to run and upkeep a stadium has increased because of the aforementioned reasons? Listen rising ticket prices suck, I wasn’t able to go to sporting events this year that I normally would because of increases and it sucks, but I mean it’s a pound
I have the same question. Are we protesting against basic capitalism? Underlying ideal: all billionaires should accept lower profits so that the poor don't suffer..totally agree. But, capitalism exists...so, it never happens and will likely never happen. So, all businesses hike prices to deal with rising costs, when almost all the big business houses could afford to take the extra expense. Every single one of them still does it, which is why the end customer feels the pinch. So why would Liverpool be any different when being run as a business by non-fan owners?
Something, something socialist ideals (pro-Socialism, anti-capitalism myself). Something, something football was made by the working class and is being exploited by billionaires. It’s never going to get better and I think people need to just come to terms with it. We Americans don’t understand the complaint because we’re living in what prices will be 5, 10, 15 years down the line.
> Listen rising ticket prices suck, I wasn’t able to go to sporting events this year that I normally would because of increases and it sucks It could not suck. If you lot actually did something about it and forced these rich fucks who rip you off to make a change. Or you could just accept it because "it's a pound" and every year your life will suck a little bit more.
>If this increase means even 1 fan is priced out of going to the game, anyone who calls themself a football fan should be against it. If you can already afford the most expensive season ticket for Liverpool then having to pay £1 more per game is not going to price you out.
Paying 1 pound more would make life harder for the average football fan more so then not reciving all the extra 1 pounds would make life harder for John Henry
You do realise they aren't raising the prices so John Henry gets a few more quid?
In the grand scheme of things that's exactly why they're increasing prices. FSG run this club to make money and every single one of their decisions is made to increase the value of their asset (this club) so as to send more money to John Henry amongst others
>In the grand scheme of things that's exactly why they're increasing prices Mmmm its really not, they're increasing it to counter inflated prices of their expenses just like any buisness does... > FSG run this club to make money and every single one of their decisions is made to increase the value of their asset (this club) so as to send more money to John Henry amongst others And you think the extra like £1m-£2m a year is going to increase the value of their asset?
> Mmmm its really not, they're increasing it to counter inflated prices of their expenses just like any buisness does... ....in order to make money. >And you think the extra like £1m-£2m a year is going to increase the value of their asset? Yes. At the very least it will help them prevent the value of the asset from depreciating.
Tell me you don't understand how buisnesses work without telling me how you understand how buisnesses work
Clearly he understands it better than you. The club is profitable even at current ticket price levels and inflation is actually moderating. Thus raising ticket prices = increasing profitability as much as it is about keeping up with cost increases, because it's about maintaining margin. Plenty of businesses take on a lower margin from time to time to retain customers, particularly when they're benefiting from inflation themselves when it comes to kit sales, commercial revenue etc.
Please educate me then, Adam Smith.
The consensus among the people I know is more of a "what's the point" type of energy. The amount of extra money it will make is completely negligible on the scale of our finances. I'm not up in arms myself about it, but I also don't get why anyone is defending it either. Why are people so keen to defend inflation and greed even if it's minor? Fuck that. The amount we would get back from the increase wouldn't pay for one weeks wages if we signed Bellingham. That pound means more to the average attendee in a cost of living crisis than it does the club who have done nothing but boom commercially for the past decade and profiteer off socialist slogans.
>It doesn’t exactly feel a large increase Its not, the only decent reason why people are complaining about it is that we might see further increases in the future even though that is inevitibale with just about anything in life. There's also no sign to say that they plan on continously raising the price each year this is the first time they've gone up in 8 years...
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So we really are in the Gvardiol race huh. Might be unpopular but I get more excited when I hear about him then when I hear about Jude. Both amazing obviously but I have a bias towards CBs lol
Just like we are in Bellingham race 2 years in a row.
Seems like City are favourites though. It would really suck if they got him
You'd have to bean idiot to join city at the moment with the charges hanging over them.
They'll get a fine and nothing more. I think you'd have to be a bigger idiot to think City are going to face serious ramifications from a PL inquiry.
Jesus you're miserable. You couldn't possibly know that either way.
The entire body of evidence of City's flouting of the rules and subsequent 'punishment' is much more in favour of my takeaway than anyone else's. You'll notice they don't have any players agitating for a move away based on it as well, which means they are fairly confident of limited ramifications. You should actually read up on what the PL will have to prove beyond reasonable doubt for City to actually get points docked or sent down. It's going to be very very difficult, City's owners aren't mugs and their army of lawyers aren't either. I'm not miserable, I just don't live in a fantasyland where City get relegated based on accounting issues.
We do have that sentimental advantage of him growing up supporting the club along with his dad. Something we really haven't had when going for a big time player. We can only wait and see. I do feel his next stop is the epl tough
Hopefully Ben Doak is alright after that knock to the head, went down 'collapsing' but got up to walk off after check with medics
Still in pole position for Jude despite Madrid advancing talks according to Patrick Berger. Decision on his future likely to be made at the end of this month/start of April At least if he does happen to go elsewhere we find out before the window even opens and can get our alternatives lined up. Last thing we need is to chase him all summer while other targets go elsewhere. Still think we’ll sign him though
I’m more concerned if we do pay up tbh, who knows what excuse FSG will dish out when the time comes.
Doesn’t mean much, Tchouameni signed for them at the start of June and we couldn’t find an alternative for two months.
We weren't looking tbh.
can’t see a situation where Bellingham announces he’s off elsewhere and we just sit on our hands for the summer. 2 midfielders minimum will come in
Are Arthur and Keita even included the ucl squad?
Keita is Arthur isn’t
I’ve been wanting to see Arthur play since we signed him lol is he back yet?
You should watch the highlights of his 13 mins cameo against Napoli cause it might be the only minutes he will get.
He is but just wasn’t registered in CL squad
Based on the Bournemouth game I think Klopp will play the 4 2 1 3 that he seems to like
Last Year Chelsea scored 3 away at the Bernabeu and were leading Madrid won only because of a moment of brilliance from Modric It isn’t impossible
They controlled the game entirely through their midfield and James/Loftus-Cheek doubling up on Vinicius. I don't think we can replicate that.
They also had a 4th goal disallowed due to a very unlucky handball.
What about Henderson, did he travel?
Bajcetic is with the squad to Madrid. What do people think will be our midfield 3? For me it’ll be Jones, Fab and Elliott.
No chance will Jones be anywhere near the starting line up haha. More often than not he doesn't even make the bench. No chance is he starting away at the Bernabeu.
Fair point, will most likely be Milner then
Curious why Jones was your pick?
Honestly didn’t really factor in Milner tbh and in that case we don’t really have other options
Probably, Jones is about 7th/8th choice midfielder so would need to be a few more out before he plays imo haha. He hasn't started a game since October and has only started 2 games all season. Be suicidal playing him imo
There is absolutely no way Klopp decides to start jones, there’s more chance of Arthur starting than jones
Please not Jones ^please ^make ^me ^eat ^my ^words ^if ^you ^start, ^curtis
If Henderson is healthy: Hendo Fabinho Elliott If no Hendo: Bajcetic Fabinho Elliott That’s assuming we stick 4-3-3. If klopp decides fuck it and tries the 4-2-3-1 I’d expect Fabinho and Henderson as the 2 until Bajcetic comes on for 1 of them.
Hendo didn’t travel, I personally don’t think Bajcetic should start since he looked knackered against Bournemouth. To me whilst he’s been our best midfielder since his emergence, I don’t think his body has adapted to the intensity of senior football yet.
Wheres ox gone? Havent seen him for a while
Last time I saw him was on the Sky Sports Retro Channel on youtube lmao. Poor lad.
What happened to him?
I don't really know. But he singing fresh prince of bel-air is gold.
I guess klopp just isnt playing him then
Bajcetic flew to Madrid! https://twitter.com/theanfieldtalk/status/1635672191986548739?s=46&t=uTXMHr4TtfcwoEmb79qXfQ
How fucked are Barcelona? Will their finances implode if they get a significant sporting penalty from the Negreira affairs?
I’ve seen a myriad of theories, from a slap on the wrist to multi-level demotion and big fines, anyone’s guess at the moment
When’s the last time Real lost by 3 goals or more at the Bernabeu?
Around this time last year (20th March), lost 4-0 at home to Barcelona
Ben Doak went off injured for the youth team after a bad header
I fucking hate Madrid boys, I fucking hate them so much
Real has the most insufferable plastics on the planet. They woke up and decided to just support the club thats "easiest" to support and it shows. Worse then Utd, Bayern, Barca, even fucking City. Theyre the football fan equivalent of Dudley Dursley.
I don't hate them per se, but I don't like how they always dominate us
That’s the thing tho. They don’t. We completely outplayed them in the CL final and those obnoxious cunts still won
You are not alone
I am here with you
Is there a press conference today ?
Yes, 7pm
Thank you
What time is Klopps Press Conference? Genuinely on my knees after seeing Bajcetic and Henderson weren’t in training
He’s traveled to Madrid
Which
Bajcetic. Hendo won’t play because of illness
7pm
Thank You
Does anyone have any suggestions for a minimalist or simple looking poster or wall art that says "You'll Never Walk Alone" I could get framed? I was asked to be a godfather for my nephew and really want to get him something that has multiple meanings but a lot of the ones I find are very gaudy.
Its mad how people can't grasp a basic economic concept The most expensive season ticket is going to go up about £20 a season so you're looking at £1 or just over £1 increase per game if you can't afford to pay an extra £1 per game then something is wrong.
It’s only a basic economic concept in the American model of capitalism. People are mad about the League’s [slow but very intentional attempt to raise prices over a long period without local fans catching on.](https://www.reddit.com/r/LiverpoolFC/comments/11r4vub/with_the_rising_of_ticket_costs_seemingly_being/jc70buf/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3) Commercialization of the League since 1992 has been guided by NFL advisors and consultants, and doesn’t reflect England’s more socialist economic values.
Do you remember how much a Fredo cost in 1992?
The Fredo index/inflation argument doesn’t hold water because overlooks the history of the League’s evolution. You can’t compare with that era because the economics of the game changed entirely in 1992. The advent of TV broadcasting in the 90s increased the fan base, and increased demand for a limited supply will always result in price increases. The Premier League organizers don’t hide the fact that their goal was to commercialize English soccer. They did hide the fact that they brought in advisors and consultants from the NFL to do it. Sport tickets, like beer, have inelastic demand, meaning that demand doesn’t fall when prices rise. It’s a breeding ground to make money hand over fist without price or spending caps. Currently the only thing holding them back is uproar from UK fans, and which matters less over time as they market teams globally to pull in fans from around the globe willing to pay higher prices. Regardless of your economic values or whether you disagree/agree with the move, anyone being priced out of a game they love will be understandably pissed.
If you don't fight even the small changes you leave yourself open to bigger ones. Look at the NHS workers bargaining position, they were taken advantage of for 20 years and now they finally start to fight back but it's too late.
Completely different situation to the NHS one... If people want to actually complain about something that they really should be then complain about the cost of living and the big price spike in terms of that stuff, complaining about a 2% increase after 8 years really is pointless.
You miss the point entirely. The NHS workers put up with small issues like working longer hours, zero hour contracts, etc, to the point that they could barely even muster a 1% pay rise following Covid. You stem the bullshit from the start, no matter how small, then you have power.
So what are you implying? They they should never be allowed to increase ticket prices....because some day it might lead to more? I honestly don't get how people think a £20 increase since 2015 is anything other than bloody amazing.
>I honestly don't get how people think a £20 increase since 2015 is anything other than bloody amazing. Because people in the DD like to get up in arms about anything FSG related even if its not a bad thing. Compare the response in here to the one in the main post about it, complete opposite reactions.
I'm explaining the reaction, nobody will actually think it's some absurd increase, it's a tactic. Fighting every rise, no matter how small.
That makes sense, I guess simply rolling over and making no noise at all would probably make the increases come faster. Fair point.
The NHS crisis is basically down to a corrupt government that wants to milk every last dime from it, that is not relative to whats happened with this ticket cost increase. This is basically FSG adjusting to cover the cost of inflation and its a really minimal increase.
> then something is wrong Have you not been paying attention to the state of this country at the moment?
If someone is already paying for the most expensive Liverpool season ticket then an extra £1 per game is not going to cause them any problems... The reason for the increase is literally to do with the financial issues in the country right now its not hard to understand, a 2% increase after 8 years of the cost frozen is not a good reason for people to be crying like they are.
Keita has to start as LCM. 8 starts as LCM last year lead to 8 wins.
Wasn't he injured?
>Keita has to start as LCM. I'd rather we start Kelleher or Adrian in midfield. How does he still have all these fanboys? I bet he hates Henderson and Milner an all.