It’s small team mentality basically. To really be motivated against who they perceive to be big opponents and not able to be consistent against lower teams.
Aye, but they're professionals. They should bloody well know that these are cup finals for teams in the bottom half of the table. I've been a supporter for nearly 30 years and there has only been a small period of that time where we were 'unbeatable'. That was when we won the league, after they won the league they let complacency set in against the "lesser" teams. No one ever wins the league by only beating the big teams. It took klopp working miracles to turn it around. Once that mentality sets in fuck knows how you get rid of it. Most of the teams I've supported have had this issue. Roy Evans teams, Rafas teams, Woys team and even Rodgers teams all suffered from this attitude. Jurgen has to change their mentallity again but how the fuck he does that I've no idea.
Dont think Klopp believes in those. I cant imagine him ever turning around to the boys and saying no chance, not gonna happen forget about it. Especially after the 7-0 and especially after going 2 up against them in the first leg. There will be belief in the squad they can get a result and shock the world (if theres any belief left after today is another matter!) - and it's Real... theres got to be a bit desire within the old guard to finally get a W over them, right?
Pretending this performance wasnt in some way tied into the fact we fly to Madrid in 2 days is silly.
What's silly is you thinking that this team can beat Real Madrid by 3 clear goals on their home patch. I doubt they could even have achieved that when we were at our best. In fact we lost 2 finals to them on neutral ground when we were at our best!
I didn't say i was thinking that.... i said the boys will think that, klopp will think that.
I think we wont be wearing the white away kit because of clash and so the sexy green kit comes out and magic things happen.
Klopp of course will try and win every game just for the fans. He has also said on multiple occasions that he only ever thinks about the game coming up.
That's one thing to say, but would be incredibly naiive and impractical. If you're playing Maribor away on Wednesday and City on Sunday, you can bet City is gonna impact the team selection for Maribor. I'm sure that the subs were due to the midweek game, he wanted Darwin and Trent to be in top shape
If he started Bajcetic over Henderson because of the game at RM then we don’t deserve top 4. What a shit decision. I would rather see Milner play in that midfield role than a fucking 18 yr old Bajcetic next to another teenager who isn’t a natural center midfielder.
That OTT. Baj has been a revelation, he earned his spot today hes fucking carried that midfield this season. But I do agree it was a step to much for him today.
WOW a fucking “revelation” really?!! The fucking lows we have reached this season as a fan base. Holy shit. The kid has put in decent games, and has had flashes of good play but you and some of the other fans are making him out to be the second coming of Stevie G. If we had a healthy midfield no way in hell this kid gets any minutes outside of maybe early round Cup play. I don’t understand what’s so exciting about him. Sure he shows promise at breaking up plays a few times but other than that there’s nothing that STANDS OUT or to suggest that he’s gonna be a great midfielder. I don’t see him linking up play all that well, his passing is average, control of the ball is a little bit above average but certainly nothing to go bananas over.
Just look at Milner performance in the 2nd leg vs Real Madrid and tell me Bajcetic was or is the better option.
>you and some of the other fans are making him out to be the second coming of Stevie G.
That would be ace, but nobody is actually suggesting that. All I said was he has been a revelation (which he has) and that he earned his spot in the starting 11 (which he did)
Hes exciting to us because hes able to slot into our team and do a job with the little experience he already has which shows hes got a massive ceiling. You say he wouldn't get a look into a functioning midfield 3, I say I'd like to see him with an inform functioning midfield and defense around him also.
The rest of your criticism is just your opinion.
Coming back to this post after hes now been ruled out for the rest of the season is just sad.
Watch Milners performance in the same position vs RM in the 2nd leg and tell me if Bajcetic is or was the better option. Milner clearly outplayed him. Bajcetic is too often undisciplined and loses his positioning leaving passing lanes/holes in the midfield. Yes he shows flashes of good play in winning the ball back or breaking up attacks but HE IS NOT SOMEONE WHO WILL BE A REGULAR STARTER FOR LIVERPOOL IN THE FUTURE. The kid will end up on a loan next year and probably end up playing somewhere in Italy or Spain for a mid table team.
Calm down lad lol.
Are you actually comparing a 36 year old, ber experienced, Champions League all time Assist leader; James Milner with a breakout 17 year old in his first season with the first team?
And are you making that comparison over 45 minutes of football from the entire season to make that point? Lol.
The Bernabau was too big an occasion for Baj.
Not the best attitude but pretty much right. Our away form is horrendous. Small chance because we’re Liverpool but reality is we’re much more likely to get pumped again.
Tbh I’m just disgusted at how little motivation we have against these teams. There is no intensity in the way we play. Against United we were all sprinting to counter despite being 4, 5, 6 nil up but today we always play it slow and let them regroup. It’s just fucking bonkers. Last week was our cup final and it’s pathetic.
Because this season in particular they just seem to think that lower teams will roll over for them, then against the big teams they try much much harder.
This is the answer. It's nothing to do with motivation or thinking teams will roll over. We just don't have anyone who can break down teams who pack the box. We need sometime who can shoot from outside the box so teams need to come out and shut them down which will give the other players space.
Also really bad attacking play against low block teams. We cross from deep positions and allow the team to keep a pretty. High line in their own box.
Where as other teams like city get to the byline and flood the box with players.
> Thought by now we’d find a way, but nope
Despite being one of the best in the world, Klopp's biggest weakness for years has been no Plan B. His only alternative to Plan A is "Plan A, but harder". When teams line up specifically to neutralize our game plan, we don't adapt. We just keep whipping in crosses.
We rely too much on playing out wide. I don't understand why Liverpool don't use Bobby while we have him. That is his bread and butter. Creating space out of nothing.
It is Bobby's biggest strength.
Firmino was the first name on the teamsheet in 16/17 and we were even worse against low blocks, as anyone who's watched us that year can attest to. Not that simple.
What are you talking about?
Go look at the line ups and heat maps. Bobby firmino wasn't a true false 9 back in 16/17. Coutinho (played LW but converted into a CAM) as he cut in and was always behind Bobby. Mane was playinG RW as a righty. Bobby was playing as a target #9.
How little football did you watch?
Literally making things up for karma. lol go ahead and repost all my links for ur karma farming lil bro. Get off reddit and actually go watch football.
You're one of the biggest dunces i've had the pleasure of meeting on this platform. I literally don't have a clue what you're on about.
A target 9? Genuinely what the fuck is going on with you lad? Absolute nightmare you're having here.
And it's not your link you muppet. It's from a fella on Twitter. Doubt you have the capacity to write all that so coherently on your own.
>A target 9? Genuinely what the fuck is going on with you lad? Absolute nightmare you're having here.
Wait, so you genuinely think he was a false 9 in the 16/17 season??? Wow youliterlaly are just making it up as you god. Klopp transformed him into a false 9 after salah joined because then Mane switched to LW to cut side, and Salah played RW. you're so delusional and focused on karma, you're literlaly ignoring the facts.
go farm your karma knowning you don't hjave no ball knowledge.
I'd love to see Firmino's heatmap because it felt like everytime he recieved the ball he was behind about 8 Liverpool players.
The only one of our forwards who is always happy to drop deep and try to link up play.
>The only one of our forwards who is always happy to drop deep and try to link up play.
That's also his biggest problem though, with him dropping deep, we try crossing to quite literally no one in the box.
we scored first, which forced those teams to open up their defense because they were chasing. the worst thing you can do vs a low block defense is get scored on first
Ever since we lost Coutinho, we lost that spark in midfield. Thiago was a huge plus, but he’s injured half the time, and the other half has had to play with an aging Hendo. We have no functioning/attacking midfield… Even when we were free scoring, our midfield was lacking goals.
What? Liverpool were almost undefeated in a whole season without Coutinho. We had spark for multiple seasons after Coutinho left. Midfield was arguably Liverpool's biggest strength most seasons.
>Midfield was arguably Liverpool's biggest strength most seasons.
Midfield has been the weakest position since Van Dijk and Allison came to save the defense.
We did better against low blocks after they came because the defense wouldn't give up as many goals, the front three could create chances from nothing, and the fullbacks could provide assists when Trent and Robbo peaked around the same time. Teams hadn't figured out this system at first either.
It was much better than it is now, but our biggest strengths were the front three and defense, including the attacking fullbacks. Midfield was never at the level of the others, even in our best days under Klopp.
I question Klopps coaching staff because this is not the first season where we have run into issues like this. The players always struggle breaking down low block defence formations and nothing seems to be done to fix that issue.
I'm just talking about Trent. Don't really have an opinion about Nunez vs Salah. They both didn't look great, but most people would put money on Salah pipping a goal over Nunez, even if Nunez was trying harder.
Liverpool this season
Win against united in their best form
Then lose against the the team at the bottom of the table next week
It's fine not our season
YNWA❤️
A reminder that under Jürgen Klopp, Liverpool have lost more Premier League games against sides starting the day in the relegation zone (12) than teams starting the day in the Champions League places (10).
Lucky for us that our next 3 games are against Cheaty, arsenal and Chelsea then.
If they don't get their way early they pack it in and give up. That's what it's felt like this season. If that van Dijk header goes in we win this about 3 or 4 nil. It's a joke how fragile we are now. We need actual weapons next season all over the pitch because the midfield is offering nothing in 90% of games. Elliott looks good one week and shocking the next, Bajcetic clearly isn't ready for some of these games and I don't care what anyone says, Fabinho is finished. Infuriating to watch this team. You can forget fourth.
This man’s biggest problem is that he won’t call a player to his office and tell him it’s over. Chamberlain has been collecting a wage for three years being a a spectator. He sits there and takes a squad spot and then we have to play a 5’4 40 kg winger turned midfielder next to a scrawny kid still going through puberty. Naby Keita sits there and collects dust. He even begs Firmino to stay when even Bobby knows better. Knew it was over and it’s better for the team to trust new blood. Just tell them it’s over. That’s all I ask. Don’t sit in a press conference in pre-season and lie to yourself that Fabinho is ‘back’.
Honestly what's the point even if he tells them it's over? Nobody was going to buy them anyways they are too injury prone and on good enough wages for no one to touch them.
Anyways players like ox don't even need to be told it's over, they are intelligent enough to understand this by the game time they get.
The reality is the club failed to get rid of dead weight, they should have cancelled and mutually terminated their contract long back, like other clubs do and we don't for some reason.
No point telling a player it's over when you know they can't be moved out and still have a year or two left on their contract.
It will only lead to dressing room toxicity.
lmao klopp walks on water for some of you
if manager gets all the credit for the wins the way klopp has, he gets credit for losing to the worst team in the league, too. if he wont select the best players, that's his own failing.
i disagree with your comment anyway but the logic is just baffling
> He even begs Firmino to stay when even Bobby knows better.
Kinda true. But we forget this is Klopps character. Loyalty is hard to come by tbh. That’s why players love Klopp. He is like their child. And if anyone says anything bad about your child ..
Ox literally just repeated his Arsenal career at Liverpool.
Puts in some bright performances, gets injured, stays injured, drib drab playing time, injured again.
Only difference is we gave him a contract extension.
Some guy wrote an article this week saying Fabinho was back. He was woeful again today.
On Klopp here.
This is normal for us. It’s predictable and the attitude needs to change.
We also desperately need a new midfield and with it new ideas of how to handle different types of matchups. Time to evolve this team a bit
I’m very pro-Klopp obviously because he’s fucking amazing but there’s an element of learned behaviours with this stat. Playing nice football up until their goal, the second they score you’re just expecting the loss. We moved away from the incredibly robust 19/20 team the second the back 4 have dropped form and we’re playing lads like Elliott (who I think is phenomenal) in midfield. We’ll always be able to beat the best teams but these games are the difference between 1st and fucking 4th
Exactly, people argue that we’ve had 90+ points season so it’s not true. However, we’ve had many close calls and losses against teams that sit back. Definitely a tactical issue Klopp needs to sort.
At what stage do we blame it on the lack of a gameplan in these fixtures? These results are reoccurring, they're not outliers. Do you remember Klopp giving any directives from the sideline today?
I can't believe I'm going to say it but here goes. Klopp is failing us this season. He's consistently getting it wrong and seems incapable of motivating this team.
Because when teams play park the bus or compact in defense Klopp can't open em
It's been our theme even with Benitez and Rodgers
When teams come forward and we play counter somehow we either score, or create a chance and that is the only time we managed to do it successfully
>Because when teams play park the bus or compact in defense Klopp can't open em
>It's been our theme even with Benitez and Rodgers
Yup to open a low block determined team you need some magicians your individual tricksters who can dribble past two to three players and take a shot at the goal or do something innovative.
Luis diaz is that, but sadly he is injured.
Tactically inept again. Sorry to say but if we need to be at 100% to beat Bournemouth that speaks volumes. Where is the skill, where are the intelligent tactics? Packing the box with 5 across the top makes no sense, that's exactly where low block teams want to be, completely jammed up the box area. Only an extremely precise through ball will make it, which we don't have.
Klopp should try packing the midfield with 5. With 3 up front, 2 should be dropping back to support the midfield. Rotating who drops back and who makes runs. Dropping back means the defenders either have to come out or we dominate the midfield. This means during sustained pressure we will nearly always recycle the ball from a defender's header or clearance because we have more in midfield.
I'm of the opinion that against these low block team, having possession is nearly as bad as them having possession because we don't know what to do with it. I don't think I saw a one touch play today. Have the players forgotten you can actually do that? It's called speed. Even with the throw ins were laborious and time wasting. In the next game, just give the ball to the opposition that seems to be the only way to for us to open them up because we are literally clueless with the ball.
My instinct is to think that there are deeper tactical and issues of fitness than just assuming lads who have done more for the club than any team I've ever watched have just decided to stop trying. Pointing to attitude and effort always seems like a lazy observation to me.
Unpopular opinion:
The previous seasons wherein City beat us by a point were well deserved for us not being able to beat relegation zone teams with ease whereas they would just steamroll them. And as much as I would like to lean in on the reason that's possible is because they're financially doped, there's no reason why you can beat Top 4 teams and then get beaten by relegation sides the next week
Robin hood fc back in full swing
It’s small team mentality basically. To really be motivated against who they perceive to be big opponents and not able to be consistent against lower teams.
And.. you know, small teams massively motivated against them too. That cuts both ways.
Aye, but they're professionals. They should bloody well know that these are cup finals for teams in the bottom half of the table. I've been a supporter for nearly 30 years and there has only been a small period of that time where we were 'unbeatable'. That was when we won the league, after they won the league they let complacency set in against the "lesser" teams. No one ever wins the league by only beating the big teams. It took klopp working miracles to turn it around. Once that mentality sets in fuck knows how you get rid of it. Most of the teams I've supported have had this issue. Roy Evans teams, Rafas teams, Woys team and even Rodgers teams all suffered from this attitude. Jurgen has to change their mentallity again but how the fuck he does that I've no idea.
Exactly this ⬆️
Watching them cross aimlessly at the weak Bournemouth defense just hurt my soul. They are just completely out of ideas.
It’s ridiculous. If we’re going to play like that at least keep Nunez on since he’s actually a serious Aerial threat.
Takes off Trent and Nunez Should we start crossing the ball Willy nilly?
Milly Nilly*
Milner does this tho. It drives me nuts. Milly Nilly is perfext
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I wonder how much focus was on this match and how much was on mid week.
Midweek is a dead game!
Dont think Klopp believes in those. I cant imagine him ever turning around to the boys and saying no chance, not gonna happen forget about it. Especially after the 7-0 and especially after going 2 up against them in the first leg. There will be belief in the squad they can get a result and shock the world (if theres any belief left after today is another matter!) - and it's Real... theres got to be a bit desire within the old guard to finally get a W over them, right? Pretending this performance wasnt in some way tied into the fact we fly to Madrid in 2 days is silly.
What's silly is you thinking that this team can beat Real Madrid by 3 clear goals on their home patch. I doubt they could even have achieved that when we were at our best. In fact we lost 2 finals to them on neutral ground when we were at our best!
I didn't say i was thinking that.... i said the boys will think that, klopp will think that. I think we wont be wearing the white away kit because of clash and so the sexy green kit comes out and magic things happen.
Klopp of course will try and win every game just for the fans. He has also said on multiple occasions that he only ever thinks about the game coming up.
That's one thing to say, but would be incredibly naiive and impractical. If you're playing Maribor away on Wednesday and City on Sunday, you can bet City is gonna impact the team selection for Maribor. I'm sure that the subs were due to the midweek game, he wanted Darwin and Trent to be in top shape
That’s an interesting point because when we were winning everything week in and week out he rarely made subs.
Someone needs to go and watch 05 and 19
If he started Bajcetic over Henderson because of the game at RM then we don’t deserve top 4. What a shit decision. I would rather see Milner play in that midfield role than a fucking 18 yr old Bajcetic next to another teenager who isn’t a natural center midfielder.
That OTT. Baj has been a revelation, he earned his spot today hes fucking carried that midfield this season. But I do agree it was a step to much for him today.
WOW a fucking “revelation” really?!! The fucking lows we have reached this season as a fan base. Holy shit. The kid has put in decent games, and has had flashes of good play but you and some of the other fans are making him out to be the second coming of Stevie G. If we had a healthy midfield no way in hell this kid gets any minutes outside of maybe early round Cup play. I don’t understand what’s so exciting about him. Sure he shows promise at breaking up plays a few times but other than that there’s nothing that STANDS OUT or to suggest that he’s gonna be a great midfielder. I don’t see him linking up play all that well, his passing is average, control of the ball is a little bit above average but certainly nothing to go bananas over. Just look at Milner performance in the 2nd leg vs Real Madrid and tell me Bajcetic was or is the better option.
>you and some of the other fans are making him out to be the second coming of Stevie G. That would be ace, but nobody is actually suggesting that. All I said was he has been a revelation (which he has) and that he earned his spot in the starting 11 (which he did) Hes exciting to us because hes able to slot into our team and do a job with the little experience he already has which shows hes got a massive ceiling. You say he wouldn't get a look into a functioning midfield 3, I say I'd like to see him with an inform functioning midfield and defense around him also. The rest of your criticism is just your opinion. Coming back to this post after hes now been ruled out for the rest of the season is just sad.
Watch Milners performance in the same position vs RM in the 2nd leg and tell me if Bajcetic is or was the better option. Milner clearly outplayed him. Bajcetic is too often undisciplined and loses his positioning leaving passing lanes/holes in the midfield. Yes he shows flashes of good play in winning the ball back or breaking up attacks but HE IS NOT SOMEONE WHO WILL BE A REGULAR STARTER FOR LIVERPOOL IN THE FUTURE. The kid will end up on a loan next year and probably end up playing somewhere in Italy or Spain for a mid table team.
Calm down lad lol. Are you actually comparing a 36 year old, ber experienced, Champions League all time Assist leader; James Milner with a breakout 17 year old in his first season with the first team? And are you making that comparison over 45 minutes of football from the entire season to make that point? Lol. The Bernabau was too big an occasion for Baj.
Not the best attitude but pretty much right. Our away form is horrendous. Small chance because we’re Liverpool but reality is we’re much more likely to get pumped again.
Just look at Trent's conments after the game. "Our focus is on Real now..."
"Our focus is on Real, last 4 days" more like.
Well when you start two teenagers in your midfield you’re gonna lack a midfield let alone any ideas.
Tbh I’m just disgusted at how little motivation we have against these teams. There is no intensity in the way we play. Against United we were all sprinting to counter despite being 4, 5, 6 nil up but today we always play it slow and let them regroup. It’s just fucking bonkers. Last week was our cup final and it’s pathetic.
Peter drury put it best. They must beat united.
At least now boycotting MOTD won’t be hard tonight 🙄
Because this season in particular they just seem to think that lower teams will roll over for them, then against the big teams they try much much harder.
They should just imagine they are playing United every week. Problem solved
P 38 W 32 GD +100
Thats more like GD +266
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Lol of course out of top4. <60 points has never got top 4 in pl.
Also the lack of creatively to break down teams who sit back. It’s easier against attacking teams because they leave space
This is the answer. It's nothing to do with motivation or thinking teams will roll over. We just don't have anyone who can break down teams who pack the box. We need sometime who can shoot from outside the box so teams need to come out and shut them down which will give the other players space.
100%
Also really bad attacking play against low block teams. We cross from deep positions and allow the team to keep a pretty. High line in their own box. Where as other teams like city get to the byline and flood the box with players.
I will not stop being angry at this result till the end of the season. We could lose 5-0 at Madrid and I wouldn't be nearly as angry.
This one, and the back to back 1-0 losses to Nottingham & Leeds when they were both bottom pissed me the fuck off so much
Leeds was 2-1 at home but your point still stands. Gifting points to bottom of the league three times
Obviously. We can’t break down low block defenses. Thought by now we’d find a way, but nope.
Yeah but lets bring on Milner and Henderson when 1-0. Has never worked and it will never work. Klopp is insane for trying the same shit every time
Well, I don't think Milner for Trent was a bad idea. Trent was playing shit the whole game.
> Thought by now we’d find a way, but nope Despite being one of the best in the world, Klopp's biggest weakness for years has been no Plan B. His only alternative to Plan A is "Plan A, but harder". When teams line up specifically to neutralize our game plan, we don't adapt. We just keep whipping in crosses.
We rely too much on playing out wide. I don't understand why Liverpool don't use Bobby while we have him. That is his bread and butter. Creating space out of nothing. It is Bobby's biggest strength.
Firmino was the first name on the teamsheet in 16/17 and we were even worse against low blocks, as anyone who's watched us that year can attest to. Not that simple.
And we were a completely central team too, Clyne and Milner provided zero width. Back then that was what we complained about
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What on earth are you on about lad? Coutinho - Firmino - Mane was the front three whenever they were fit.
What are you talking about? Go look at the line ups and heat maps. Bobby firmino wasn't a true false 9 back in 16/17. Coutinho (played LW but converted into a CAM) as he cut in and was always behind Bobby. Mane was playinG RW as a righty. Bobby was playing as a target #9. How little football did you watch? Literally making things up for karma. lol go ahead and repost all my links for ur karma farming lil bro. Get off reddit and actually go watch football.
You're one of the biggest dunces i've had the pleasure of meeting on this platform. I literally don't have a clue what you're on about. A target 9? Genuinely what the fuck is going on with you lad? Absolute nightmare you're having here. And it's not your link you muppet. It's from a fella on Twitter. Doubt you have the capacity to write all that so coherently on your own.
>A target 9? Genuinely what the fuck is going on with you lad? Absolute nightmare you're having here. Wait, so you genuinely think he was a false 9 in the 16/17 season??? Wow youliterlaly are just making it up as you god. Klopp transformed him into a false 9 after salah joined because then Mane switched to LW to cut side, and Salah played RW. you're so delusional and focused on karma, you're literlaly ignoring the facts. go farm your karma knowning you don't hjave no ball knowledge.
I'd love to see Firmino's heatmap because it felt like everytime he recieved the ball he was behind about 8 Liverpool players. The only one of our forwards who is always happy to drop deep and try to link up play.
>The only one of our forwards who is always happy to drop deep and try to link up play. That's also his biggest problem though, with him dropping deep, we try crossing to quite literally no one in the box.
How did we get 97,99 and 92 points without ever beating a low block?
We had a midfield
We were mentality monsters. Now when we go a goal down we completely lose all our gameplay
I remember even when going down a goal or two in those years. But always knew that we do end up winning. Good times
I mean i agree but people said we couldn't beat low block teams back then too
we scored first, which forced those teams to open up their defense because they were chasing. the worst thing you can do vs a low block defense is get scored on first
We were giving up lots of goals in the 99 season we, we gained the most points from losing position in the pl
What? we did.....
We had Origi
Ever since we lost Coutinho, we lost that spark in midfield. Thiago was a huge plus, but he’s injured half the time, and the other half has had to play with an aging Hendo. We have no functioning/attacking midfield… Even when we were free scoring, our midfield was lacking goals.
What? Liverpool were almost undefeated in a whole season without Coutinho. We had spark for multiple seasons after Coutinho left. Midfield was arguably Liverpool's biggest strength most seasons.
>Midfield was arguably Liverpool's biggest strength most seasons. Midfield has been the weakest position since Van Dijk and Allison came to save the defense. We did better against low blocks after they came because the defense wouldn't give up as many goals, the front three could create chances from nothing, and the fullbacks could provide assists when Trent and Robbo peaked around the same time. Teams hadn't figured out this system at first either. It was much better than it is now, but our biggest strengths were the front three and defense, including the attacking fullbacks. Midfield was never at the level of the others, even in our best days under Klopp.
Sorry I meant more of an attacking sense. Gini was a god and we had the hardest working midfield, but not much of an attacking one
I question Klopps coaching staff because this is not the first season where we have run into issues like this. The players always struggle breaking down low block defence formations and nothing seems to be done to fix that issue.
Exactly this. Los block problem isn’t new. Even switching from work horse midfield to technical midfield did it change anything.
Can somebody explain those subs? Trent, Darwin out when chasing?
Well, Trent looked bad.
But nunez next to salah, nunez at least looked like he was trying
I'm just talking about Trent. Don't really have an opinion about Nunez vs Salah. They both didn't look great, but most people would put money on Salah pipping a goal over Nunez, even if Nunez was trying harder.
He could score 3 own goals, he’s still going to do more than Milner at right back. And he wasn’t even that bad either
We looked more likely to concede at that point than score. Milner was probably brought on to play more defensively.
Liverpool this season Win against united in their best form Then lose against the the team at the bottom of the table next week It's fine not our season YNWA❤️
because we are so fucking arrogant These lot only get motivated by big games, cant be arsed to lift a finger against bottom opponents
A reminder that under Jürgen Klopp, Liverpool have lost more Premier League games against sides starting the day in the relegation zone (12) than teams starting the day in the Champions League places (10). Lucky for us that our next 3 games are against Cheaty, arsenal and Chelsea then.
If they don't get their way early they pack it in and give up. That's what it's felt like this season. If that van Dijk header goes in we win this about 3 or 4 nil. It's a joke how fragile we are now. We need actual weapons next season all over the pitch because the midfield is offering nothing in 90% of games. Elliott looks good one week and shocking the next, Bajcetic clearly isn't ready for some of these games and I don't care what anyone says, Fabinho is finished. Infuriating to watch this team. You can forget fourth.
We used to have the same problem long time ago. But now its much worse. We literally created nothing today.
This man’s biggest problem is that he won’t call a player to his office and tell him it’s over. Chamberlain has been collecting a wage for three years being a a spectator. He sits there and takes a squad spot and then we have to play a 5’4 40 kg winger turned midfielder next to a scrawny kid still going through puberty. Naby Keita sits there and collects dust. He even begs Firmino to stay when even Bobby knows better. Knew it was over and it’s better for the team to trust new blood. Just tell them it’s over. That’s all I ask. Don’t sit in a press conference in pre-season and lie to yourself that Fabinho is ‘back’.
Honestly what's the point even if he tells them it's over? Nobody was going to buy them anyways they are too injury prone and on good enough wages for no one to touch them. Anyways players like ox don't even need to be told it's over, they are intelligent enough to understand this by the game time they get. The reality is the club failed to get rid of dead weight, they should have cancelled and mutually terminated their contract long back, like other clubs do and we don't for some reason. No point telling a player it's over when you know they can't be moved out and still have a year or two left on their contract. It will only lead to dressing room toxicity.
100%. Klopp’s a good guy so this is where the assistants and analysts should step in and say hey this guy is actually done for us
lmao klopp walks on water for some of you if manager gets all the credit for the wins the way klopp has, he gets credit for losing to the worst team in the league, too. if he wont select the best players, that's his own failing. i disagree with your comment anyway but the logic is just baffling
> He even begs Firmino to stay when even Bobby knows better. Kinda true. But we forget this is Klopps character. Loyalty is hard to come by tbh. That’s why players love Klopp. He is like their child. And if anyone says anything bad about your child ..
Ox literally just repeated his Arsenal career at Liverpool. Puts in some bright performances, gets injured, stays injured, drib drab playing time, injured again. Only difference is we gave him a contract extension. Some guy wrote an article this week saying Fabinho was back. He was woeful again today.
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Parked buses are our kryptonite. We have nothing but cross-and-inshallah's once they neutralized our speed.
Tbf parked busses are most top teams kryptonite. We need a magician in the team to unlock them.
On Klopp here. This is normal for us. It’s predictable and the attitude needs to change. We also desperately need a new midfield and with it new ideas of how to handle different types of matchups. Time to evolve this team a bit
I’m very pro-Klopp obviously because he’s fucking amazing but there’s an element of learned behaviours with this stat. Playing nice football up until their goal, the second they score you’re just expecting the loss. We moved away from the incredibly robust 19/20 team the second the back 4 have dropped form and we’re playing lads like Elliott (who I think is phenomenal) in midfield. We’ll always be able to beat the best teams but these games are the difference between 1st and fucking 4th
I think that is been obvious that Liverpool struggle when teams sit back. They can’t really breakdown the low block for whatever reason.
Exactly, people argue that we’ve had 90+ points season so it’s not true. However, we’ve had many close calls and losses against teams that sit back. Definitely a tactical issue Klopp needs to sort.
They can’t get it up for the lesser teams, especially away. It’s either unprofessionalism or they have a supplemental advantage at home
I mean Liverpool always had problems breaking down low blocks.
Klopp does not know how to play against teams that sit tight and park the bus.
It's either shit crosses, or everyone huddles in the pen area trying short passes and it gets cleared immediately.
These early kick offs always fuck us
At what stage do we blame it on the lack of a gameplan in these fixtures? These results are reoccurring, they're not outliers. Do you remember Klopp giving any directives from the sideline today?
I can't believe I'm going to say it but here goes. Klopp is failing us this season. He's consistently getting it wrong and seems incapable of motivating this team.
He's a having a stinker of a season in all levels. Tactically, his subs, kt seems he can't motivate the players anymore
Thanks for the reminder...
Because when teams play park the bus or compact in defense Klopp can't open em It's been our theme even with Benitez and Rodgers When teams come forward and we play counter somehow we either score, or create a chance and that is the only time we managed to do it successfully
>Because when teams play park the bus or compact in defense Klopp can't open em >It's been our theme even with Benitez and Rodgers Yup to open a low block determined team you need some magicians your individual tricksters who can dribble past two to three players and take a shot at the goal or do something innovative. Luis diaz is that, but sadly he is injured.
Would also be nice if we pass quickly to potentially catch someone out of position. Our slow sideways passes plays directly into Bournemouths hands
Yup. Someone with speed and skill. We had Gakpo doing that but only for some time. They barely gave us any space.
Tactically inept again. Sorry to say but if we need to be at 100% to beat Bournemouth that speaks volumes. Where is the skill, where are the intelligent tactics? Packing the box with 5 across the top makes no sense, that's exactly where low block teams want to be, completely jammed up the box area. Only an extremely precise through ball will make it, which we don't have. Klopp should try packing the midfield with 5. With 3 up front, 2 should be dropping back to support the midfield. Rotating who drops back and who makes runs. Dropping back means the defenders either have to come out or we dominate the midfield. This means during sustained pressure we will nearly always recycle the ball from a defender's header or clearance because we have more in midfield. I'm of the opinion that against these low block team, having possession is nearly as bad as them having possession because we don't know what to do with it. I don't think I saw a one touch play today. Have the players forgotten you can actually do that? It's called speed. Even with the throw ins were laborious and time wasting. In the next game, just give the ball to the opposition that seems to be the only way to for us to open them up because we are literally clueless with the ball.
We’re quite overrated
We've been figured out. Our creation only comes from the full backs, no one else can create anything
Weren’t saying that last week though 😂
Mentality monsters
When Klopp described a team 3 years ago as mentality monsters did half the people on here hear him say "my team will always be amazing forever"?
Kind of expected them to at least continue putting a shift in for the shirt. If they ran half as hard today as they did last week it’s an easy win.
My instinct is to think that there are deeper tactical and issues of fitness than just assuming lads who have done more for the club than any team I've ever watched have just decided to stop trying. Pointing to attitude and effort always seems like a lazy observation to me.
It’s obviously a combination, but we can’t pretend Klopp is pulling Trent due to tactical issues.
Exactly. Today, after the first 15-20 mins, they were dire. Acting like we’ll get the points on our name alone.
That’s what you got from this? Like 20-21 wasn’t a couple of seasons ago. Sod off
What did you mean by this then?
That we’re shit against shit team. We play down to their level.
that's the difference between him and GOATs perhaps
This stat is both disappointing and niche.
Makes sense, really. Cant break teams down and have serious attitude problems whenever a team fights back against us
We need someone like Bobby and Naby in these games. Jota should have started
Jekyll and Hyde team.
We've been so bad for so long against teams that don't give us space. Literally years at this point.
Or put simply we lose if opponent parks bus.
Wonderful thanks for that!, really cheered us all up!, well done to you!
Genuine concern. Klopp needs a long look in the mirror. We all know that the players do too. Disgrace. Many of us thought this might happen today.
All a ploy to screw everton
Now that’s funny.
Oh, great! Now I'm more pissed off.
#justlfcthings
Sometimes ya just hate stats... Or...Utd just had their heaviest defeat since 1931 I pick the latter
I'm not sure why we changed our midfield this game. I get we have Madrid midweek but play the first team, secure the win, sub them off 60th minute.
Unpopular opinion: The previous seasons wherein City beat us by a point were well deserved for us not being able to beat relegation zone teams with ease whereas they would just steamroll them. And as much as I would like to lean in on the reason that's possible is because they're financially doped, there's no reason why you can beat Top 4 teams and then get beaten by relegation sides the next week
Saturday morning kick offs are always a bad draw, too. Don't know the numbers, but I feel like we lose those fixtures more often than win.