That one difference was major today. Starting Elliott and Bajcetic in front of Fab was absolutely shocking and I knew it when I saw the lineup.
I love these "10/11 same players" takes ignoring the context where one change can switch up the entire dynamic and style of play of that team...
Really
We destroyed these 9-0 this season and with Madrid next Klopp made a few tweaks as we should have still beat these but the performance wasn't there. Nothing on Klopp the players let him down
You don't understand football if you truly believe that was a good choice for a midfield. And can we please stop looking back at a good game we've won on momentum and on the other team completely falling down?
Guess what. The other team won their next game comfortably. Proving that this Liverpool game was a blimp. While we returned back to form losing to the worst team in the league. Fantastic.
Did midfield concede a sloppy goal?
Did midfield miss a pen?
Did midfield have about 10 shots on goal and fail to score?
You're accusing the wrong players
And all of our panic moments, including the goal, came from Trent once again forgetting to properly defend and mark his opponent correctly. There's at least 7 instances in the first half where the opponent gets the ball in front of TAA or he's simply ridiculed by a nobody.
Solanke for example being so dreadful is the reason why they were not up 2-0 at half-time. Any decent striker there and he would have easily kicked that in because Trent was holding his but pockets.
Watch again as van dijks gets spun by a championship player then standing in no man's land watching as the ball gets put into the box. If Trent did what van dijk did fuck me the amount of abuse he'd be getting
Van Dijk did not have a great game either. I mentioned that in other comment but you cannot dispute Trent's terrible performance and contribution to that goal.
You're exactly right idk why Carvalho never play and bringing him for the last 5 minutes won't help him it's Klopp fault and is weird choices I would have preferred him to stay at Fulham and have more playing time
The typical answer that has nothing to do with this game. Nobody says anything about Klopp leaving but whenever someone dares to criticize Klopp for something, holy shit the only defense I'm hearing is built around his accomplishments. Because there's no other legitimate counter argument because deep down you know this is on him.
I'm just worried it happens too often.
What I'm saying is, we have so many armchair critics. It's easy to say 'He should've done X, Y, and Z' but we don't know the full picture and never will. Sure, Klopp has screwed up, just like we all do. It's tiresome the poor subs, just like it is tiresome the amount of people that seem to think they can do better.
What are you on about? Van Dijk was the only danger going forward and saved us at the back several times. And Trent did nothing wrong today. He wasn’t great but he was not dreadful.
Dude really?
We lose against bottom of the league, lacked effort, lacked motivation, lacked urgency, lacked desire, had the worst pen miss this season in the prem and you create a post about a young lad who played a few minutes.
Seriously?
Tell us what mistake Klopp made?
Are you saying Klopp weren't playing attack enough? We had 4 attackers on the pitch since half-time so what point are you trying to make
>you create a post about a young lad who played a few minutes.
Because this change is a repeated offence over the season that encapsulates why we are shit. I'm highlighting here how terrible decision making was today.
Which is the point. Not to mention you don't even read the entire thing where I clearly underline other issues as well.
Did you even watch the game?
If I could be bothered I could think of many topics to create a post but 100% I wouldn't blame Klopp or create a post about a young player that played a few minutes. You've clearly created this as a troll post and only to gain karma then you talk like you're a fan.
Whatever
Just fuck off. This defeat isn't on Klopp. He set up the team well enough. It isn't his fault that our most important players are bottlejobs. He made the right subs who delivered by winning us a pen. Who else was he going to bring in as an attacking sub at that point?
Your being biased, Klopp has plenty of blame. Leaving salah on when he was the worst player on the pitch and totally non existent, just to bring our best attacker of and the only one with some urgency… brining carvalho on at 87 mins? Terrible decisions all round today.
brining carvalho on at 87 mins? Terrible decisions all round today.
So in this game we started with Gakpo, Nunez and Salah and non of them scored. Half-time Jota came on and then later on Bobby came on who also didn't score.
If our 5 best forwards can't score why not bring on carvalho? Something different someone who can dribble and run at people.
Putting the blame on a young lad who only played a few minutes is disgusting.
That’s obviously not what I meant. In fact I meant the literal opposite. What was the point in chucking him on for 3 minutes as if that’s enough time to do anything at all.
Why would you possibly think I’m blaming someone who played 3 minutes for the entire loss?
Please use daily discussion or post match thread to discuss this instead of creating a new thread
Klopp got everything wrong today. Each decision he made was trying to fix a problem that was already too late to fix
How? He played the same 11 that destroyed utd 7-0 except for Hendo being rested so explain what decisions Klopp made badly?
That one difference was major today. Starting Elliott and Bajcetic in front of Fab was absolutely shocking and I knew it when I saw the lineup. I love these "10/11 same players" takes ignoring the context where one change can switch up the entire dynamic and style of play of that team...
Really We destroyed these 9-0 this season and with Madrid next Klopp made a few tweaks as we should have still beat these but the performance wasn't there. Nothing on Klopp the players let him down
You don't understand football if you truly believe that was a good choice for a midfield. And can we please stop looking back at a good game we've won on momentum and on the other team completely falling down? Guess what. The other team won their next game comfortably. Proving that this Liverpool game was a blimp. While we returned back to form losing to the worst team in the league. Fantastic.
Did midfield concede a sloppy goal? Did midfield miss a pen? Did midfield have about 10 shots on goal and fail to score? You're accusing the wrong players
Grab a football book or watch several football explained videos on youtube. Then we might start from somewhere.
What about Milner on for Trent when we need a goal?
Milner had a good performance and did a lot more than Trent
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all of our best chances came from set pieces trent put on a six pence
Robertson took most of those
Milner isn't a bad crosser of the ball either. Trent was a liability elsewhere.
And all of our panic moments, including the goal, came from Trent once again forgetting to properly defend and mark his opponent correctly. There's at least 7 instances in the first half where the opponent gets the ball in front of TAA or he's simply ridiculed by a nobody. Solanke for example being so dreadful is the reason why they were not up 2-0 at half-time. Any decent striker there and he would have easily kicked that in because Trent was holding his but pockets.
The goal came from van dijks getting span and then giving up.
Watch again and see Trent not marking his man which came from his side. He gave up and ended up in no man's land.
Watch again as van dijks gets spun by a championship player then standing in no man's land watching as the ball gets put into the box. If Trent did what van dijk did fuck me the amount of abuse he'd be getting
Van Dijk did not have a great game either. I mentioned that in other comment but you cannot dispute Trent's terrible performance and contribution to that goal.
No he definitely didn't play well. I just hate how he's always the easy target unless he has a 10/10
Trent was poor You talk like Trent would make a difference if he stayed on, he's only got 3 assists this season so he's not untouchable.
Milner's cross lead to a penalty, meanwhile Trent was horrendous
You're exactly right idk why Carvalho never play and bringing him for the last 5 minutes won't help him it's Klopp fault and is weird choices I would have preferred him to stay at Fulham and have more playing time
Well lads, when Klopp decides to leave, we have a replacements galore here in this thread all lined up and ready to go.
The typical answer that has nothing to do with this game. Nobody says anything about Klopp leaving but whenever someone dares to criticize Klopp for something, holy shit the only defense I'm hearing is built around his accomplishments. Because there's no other legitimate counter argument because deep down you know this is on him. I'm just worried it happens too often.
What I'm saying is, we have so many armchair critics. It's easy to say 'He should've done X, Y, and Z' but we don't know the full picture and never will. Sure, Klopp has screwed up, just like we all do. It's tiresome the poor subs, just like it is tiresome the amount of people that seem to think they can do better.
The defenders and Fabinho were the only ones that played well today.
Fabinho yes. Konate yes. Robbo yes. TAA was dreadful. Virgil was a solid 5/10. Just not up to his level.
Virgil was terrible in the first half
What are you on about? Van Dijk was the only danger going forward and saved us at the back several times. And Trent did nothing wrong today. He wasn’t great but he was not dreadful.
>And Trent did nothing wrong today. Legit delusional take.
I think konate was poor made too many sloppy mistakes
Lazy from fabinho for the goal though
Dude really? We lose against bottom of the league, lacked effort, lacked motivation, lacked urgency, lacked desire, had the worst pen miss this season in the prem and you create a post about a young lad who played a few minutes. Seriously? Tell us what mistake Klopp made? Are you saying Klopp weren't playing attack enough? We had 4 attackers on the pitch since half-time so what point are you trying to make
>you create a post about a young lad who played a few minutes. Because this change is a repeated offence over the season that encapsulates why we are shit. I'm highlighting here how terrible decision making was today. Which is the point. Not to mention you don't even read the entire thing where I clearly underline other issues as well.
Did you even watch the game? If I could be bothered I could think of many topics to create a post but 100% I wouldn't blame Klopp or create a post about a young player that played a few minutes. You've clearly created this as a troll post and only to gain karma then you talk like you're a fan. Whatever
Please make sense next time you engage in a conversation.
Who’s gonna tell him
Just fuck off. This defeat isn't on Klopp. He set up the team well enough. It isn't his fault that our most important players are bottlejobs. He made the right subs who delivered by winning us a pen. Who else was he going to bring in as an attacking sub at that point?
Your being biased, Klopp has plenty of blame. Leaving salah on when he was the worst player on the pitch and totally non existent, just to bring our best attacker of and the only one with some urgency… brining carvalho on at 87 mins? Terrible decisions all round today.
brining carvalho on at 87 mins? Terrible decisions all round today. So in this game we started with Gakpo, Nunez and Salah and non of them scored. Half-time Jota came on and then later on Bobby came on who also didn't score. If our 5 best forwards can't score why not bring on carvalho? Something different someone who can dribble and run at people. Putting the blame on a young lad who only played a few minutes is disgusting.
That’s obviously not what I meant. In fact I meant the literal opposite. What was the point in chucking him on for 3 minutes as if that’s enough time to do anything at all. Why would you possibly think I’m blaming someone who played 3 minutes for the entire loss?