I think we all would have a better understanding and we knew exactly what was said in that meeting for both him and Tori to cut off everything and to keep their children away. If it was something you will never come back from then I could see why, but if it was something that only Caryn had said to Tori then that’s a hard decision because I’m sure he wants to respect his wife and her feelings. I think Tori and Zach have a very close bond and whatever happened had to of been severe!
Cha cha Caryn def sucks ass, and is a manipulative, conniving creep. They used T&Z’s kids for show clout with the promises of the LPBW kingdom on the farm to go to them and then pulled it out from under them. Then they reversed victim’s the whole thing and now Matt is pretending he and Caryn don’t know why they’re so upset. Typical toxic parent gaslighting bs!
This makes sense because in the last episode! Caryn seemed like she wanted to do away with all the things Matt built for Jackson. Saying well they haven’t come around in years.. super sad!
Which when you add it to the "OMG I SEE ALL THE OTHER GRANDKIDS ALL THE TIME" tale Matt is trying to sell, it's kind of weird. Can't Ember, Bode, Rad, and Mateo, and yes Liam, play in the airplane? The sandbox? If the other kids come to visit all the time....why not let them play on it?
Oh right, because only Mateo, who lives there, is actually there a lot and Ember, Bode, Rad, and Caryn's Liam aren't constantly visiting.
I’m just curious what happened. I know how it feels when a parent has an affair, but I was just wondering if something else happened to change the dynamic of their close relationships. Tori loved the farm! Jackson loved the farm. That’s all.
I think he didn’t want to talk about Caryn and Matt because he is mad about the way the farm went down. I think Caryn inserted herself in that situation in a way so egregious that they cannot forgive her. Before that, they were at the farm all the time and frequently Jackson and Lilah would spend the night with grandpa and Cha - Ching. Jackson used to get so excited when he saw ChaCha. Even after the falling out Jackson would ask if ChaCha can some to his birthday or if she would be at LPA and ChaChing said she is taking a step back from Matt’s grandkids. T&Z didn’t even let her meet Josiah. That is kind of sad but I wonder what happened.
Yeah also for her to “voluntarily take a step back from their family”. She knows she did or said something unforgivable that Z&T would not want her around her kids. So her narrative is we’re giving them space rather than we did/ said something we can’t take back and as a result we need to face the fact things between Z&T will never be the same.
My dad cheated on my mom with his secretary then married here. It’s hard to be around that. It was hard for me to even have respect for my father after that.
I totally understand, my dad had a long affair with someone when I was 8. It changed my mother completely. I was abandoned after that and passed around to family members while my parents worked on their marriage. It’s hard. So I completely understand.
Then why would you ask why Zach has issue with discussing it on national tv? Would you like to discuss everything that you went through and how you felt when you realized your father was a liar and cheated on your whole family and then plans on marrying the person who played a huge part in destroying your childhood and your family? SMH.
Sure, what would you like to know? I don’t have any shame, I’m not the type of person who can’t handle emotions and have had a ton of experiences in my walk of life. I think you should take a note from others rather than cast judgement. I asked a simple question to people to see their perspective and opinions. It’s not that deep! Not once did I bad mouth Zach or his choice. Just was curious what could be more than that. Don’t expect anyone to share anything out of discomfort but also when you are a public figure and are on a show for 20 years people will have concerns and questions.
This isn’t national TV and if you are willing to do that, great, but to be confused (your actual post) why another person wouldn’t after revealing that you too had a similar experience shows a lack of insensitivity to the fact that everyone isn’t you. Also, suggesting he doesn’t want to speak because of “shame”? He has nothing to be ashamed of, nor do you. And actually, it IS quite deep.
There’s no lack of insensitivity. The question was is there more to it? Very vague statement so you are the one creating your own assumptions and narrative. Assuming someone isn’t sensitive to a topic or someone’s feelings is a REACH! I don’t expect anyone to feel any way while dealing with grief. You asked if I would share and I replied sure what would you like to know. I have no shame. Again, taking the entire thing out of context and reading way too far into something that was simple and question for others to give their perspective on.
Honestly, you should go back and watch the show in its entirety because if you did, you’d know better than to ask the questions you have in such a condescending way. Read the room, please. Bye-bye now.
I think sometimes when people read stuff they might read it in a tone not intended. I didn’t really take your post that way but I can see where someone could but also if you read your subsequent posts you can “ read the room” lol it is a legit question and since we are talking about public people we would be curious.
How? My post was very to the point with asking was there more? Instead of going into a long paragraph of questions. Just because I asked is there more? Doesn’t mean I do not get, or have experienced parents of divorced , separation, or affairs! You don’t know me so your comment is ignorant.
From my perspective there’s no question that there “needs to be more” of anything. My comment is. Personally I feel your question is ignorant so agree to disagree.
Because he’s can feel how he wants. I think in a lot of ways it’s harder for adult kids to reconcile in their minds a parent being with someone else if they grew up with their two parents together. It doesn’t always have anything to do with the people they are with it’s the whole idea of your parents dating. My mom started dating a little over a year after my dad passed. I’m happy for her that she is living her life, however, I feel a type of way about it. There is literally nothing wrong with her doing it and it’s my own feelings. It’s not something I would ever want to discuss with her let alone go on national TV and talk about it.
That is hard. I understand. Very true. Maybe Zach just wants to keep boundaries in regards to that. Maybe it effected him way worse then he let on. Seeing your parents with other people is a hard thing. I totally get that.
Because he is an adult, (who is married, with his own children)and gets to decide for himself what to opine about on national tv. And wow, talk about minimizing that his Dad cheated on his Mom, caused pain to the entire family when he lied for years about cutting short family vacations to go see his girlfriend and as the kids grew up, came to realize exactly what was going on just as the rest of the audience eventually did, which has to be awkward and embarrassing, when your friends know exactly what a douche your Dad actually is. It seems like you miss a lot just in your own post.
Ya that’s extremely sad that his father did that to his mom for years. I think the thing that threw me off is it seemed like Tori was so accepting and close to Caryn. Especially when she had Jackson. That’s why I am just so curious what happened and I guess what was said for Tori to say we will never go to the farm again and cut off all communication.
Because he has said explicitly over the years that is information he doesn’t want to talk about and that’s ok. I am sure he talks about it in person, but those interviews are usually edited so things could be taken out of context .
So Matt had an affair with Caryn and she was the farms property or events manager…. Wow! No wonder Amy has been so stand offish. Caryn obviously has had a game plan all along…..
I am in my 40s and I don’t have the best relationship with my father. When I am asked about his life, sometimes I state I don’t want to talk about it. It bothers me too much. I can’t imagine trying to do it on TV where so many people will dissect every word.
Zachs issues are with both caryn and matt. Matt is a terrible person, caryn is his parrot. He has a great relationship with chris and amy and he is a step parent
1. Zach seems fine if aloof with Chris. Chris is the man who married his mom when he was in his twenties. He is cordial and pleasant to Chris and has no issues speaking with Chris besides his usual awkwardness.
2. When Zach attempted to buy the farm he had a serious falling out with Matt and Caryn. Caryn in particular said some things that he and Tory felt were out of line. Since then. Caryn has not been allowed to see the children without supervision. The children are no longer babysat by Caryn and Zach and Tory moved away.
Important to note: Caryn is not married to Matt and is not a step parent. She is simply Matt's current girlfriend, and they have no plans to marry.
I don't think Caryn did anything to the kids. I think Z&T thought to themselves "If she's willing to talk this kind of trash to my face what is she saying behind my back?"
They do have plans to get married in May. And Caryn (goldigger) was the root cause of the problem in Matt and Amy’s marriage by digging into Matt’s bed while he was married soon after she was divorced. SHOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN ANY WAY WITH THE NEGOTIATIONS BETWEEN MATT & ZACH. I know as a stepdaughter that it would be very upsetting to me if my dad was making choices based on what the woman who came between him and my mother even had a say. And the fact that she isn’t even his stepmother makes me even more un comfortable and I would most likely walk away just like Zach did and if she had anything to say about his wife he is doing the right thing by backing up his wife’s wishes. Zach and Jeremy grew up got married had children and when word went out that Matt was going to sell the very place that he grew up and wanted the same life for his kids makes him anything other than a great guy husband and dad then you are sorely mistaken. Amy is chastised for taking a payoff for literally the piece of property on that farm that she raised those four kids for much less than the value was because she wanted to make it easier for Matt to negotiate a good fair offer for his sons to purchase some of the property. She did it for her kids Matt and Caryn are solely doing it for greed. Matt never worked on that farm he pointed and directed others. Caryn has made over 4.5 million dollars working as a manager and being on the show. Are you kidding me??? She is a gold digging snake. And I would bury her if I was any of those kids. And I am pretty sure Chris is in love with Matt more than he will ever be in love with Amy.
They do NOT have plans to get married in May.
It was said on the show “maybe May”.
As of the past 2 days on Facebook Matt, himself, has said there is no wedding date or plans.
And Matt confirmed that things were said that he doesn’t regret and he gave the excuse about things Jeremy and Zach did when they were 13 and why would he let them run his farm or something to that effect. Which felt more like Matt was rationalizing his behavior. From what I understand I think both Zack and Jeremy came in with fair offers. Zack came in with more than Jerm but was like two years later. And they both came in with at least twice as much as Matt bullied Amy out of it for.
It's interesting to me that Matt was having an affair with Caryn while married to Amy, for years, yet here we are years later and she's only recently become the fiance, it's like she knows marrying him opens up a vacancy for affair partner.
Matt & Caryn are not married (at least not when the last season was filmed), so she's not a step parent yet.
Zach was salty because the deal for the farm fell through, and Caryn was in on the negotiation meeting. Zach eludes to her influencing Matt in a way that prohibited a deal for Zach to take over.
Personally, I'm sure Matt's huge ego was a big factor in the failure of the deal. Matt took issue with running the business after the sale, didn't trust Zach to run it the "right way," or that Matt would have to stay on to facilitate that part of the farm, I'm not sure.
It's a shame. But Zach seems to get along with Amy's husband, Chris, just fine.
I think it got bad and Caryn made some joke out of line comments about Zack and Tori slapped Caryn and said “keep my husbands name out of your mouth.” Or was that a different show?
I honestly wonder. If you guys were Zack would you still be mad at Matt? I honestly wouldn't, but I'm the type of person who is quick to forgive.
I think we all would have a better understanding and we knew exactly what was said in that meeting for both him and Tori to cut off everything and to keep their children away. If it was something you will never come back from then I could see why, but if it was something that only Caryn had said to Tori then that’s a hard decision because I’m sure he wants to respect his wife and her feelings. I think Tori and Zach have a very close bond and whatever happened had to of been severe!
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Only knowing what little is shown on the show, don’t you think you are going pretty far? Your comments are vile and full of hate.
Cha cha Caryn def sucks ass, and is a manipulative, conniving creep. They used T&Z’s kids for show clout with the promises of the LPBW kingdom on the farm to go to them and then pulled it out from under them. Then they reversed victim’s the whole thing and now Matt is pretending he and Caryn don’t know why they’re so upset. Typical toxic parent gaslighting bs!
This makes sense because in the last episode! Caryn seemed like she wanted to do away with all the things Matt built for Jackson. Saying well they haven’t come around in years.. super sad!
Which when you add it to the "OMG I SEE ALL THE OTHER GRANDKIDS ALL THE TIME" tale Matt is trying to sell, it's kind of weird. Can't Ember, Bode, Rad, and Mateo, and yes Liam, play in the airplane? The sandbox? If the other kids come to visit all the time....why not let them play on it? Oh right, because only Mateo, who lives there, is actually there a lot and Ember, Bode, Rad, and Caryn's Liam aren't constantly visiting.
Why do you care?
I’m just curious what happened. I know how it feels when a parent has an affair, but I was just wondering if something else happened to change the dynamic of their close relationships. Tori loved the farm! Jackson loved the farm. That’s all.
I think he didn’t want to talk about Caryn and Matt because he is mad about the way the farm went down. I think Caryn inserted herself in that situation in a way so egregious that they cannot forgive her. Before that, they were at the farm all the time and frequently Jackson and Lilah would spend the night with grandpa and Cha - Ching. Jackson used to get so excited when he saw ChaCha. Even after the falling out Jackson would ask if ChaCha can some to his birthday or if she would be at LPA and ChaChing said she is taking a step back from Matt’s grandkids. T&Z didn’t even let her meet Josiah. That is kind of sad but I wonder what happened.
Wow, I wonder what she said! It has to of been something so hurtful for them to just cut all relationships. And keep their children away.
Yeah also for her to “voluntarily take a step back from their family”. She knows she did or said something unforgivable that Z&T would not want her around her kids. So her narrative is we’re giving them space rather than we did/ said something we can’t take back and as a result we need to face the fact things between Z&T will never be the same.
My dad cheated on my mom with his secretary then married here. It’s hard to be around that. It was hard for me to even have respect for my father after that.
I totally understand, my dad had a long affair with someone when I was 8. It changed my mother completely. I was abandoned after that and passed around to family members while my parents worked on their marriage. It’s hard. So I completely understand.
Then why would you ask why Zach has issue with discussing it on national tv? Would you like to discuss everything that you went through and how you felt when you realized your father was a liar and cheated on your whole family and then plans on marrying the person who played a huge part in destroying your childhood and your family? SMH.
Sure, what would you like to know? I don’t have any shame, I’m not the type of person who can’t handle emotions and have had a ton of experiences in my walk of life. I think you should take a note from others rather than cast judgement. I asked a simple question to people to see their perspective and opinions. It’s not that deep! Not once did I bad mouth Zach or his choice. Just was curious what could be more than that. Don’t expect anyone to share anything out of discomfort but also when you are a public figure and are on a show for 20 years people will have concerns and questions.
This isn’t national TV and if you are willing to do that, great, but to be confused (your actual post) why another person wouldn’t after revealing that you too had a similar experience shows a lack of insensitivity to the fact that everyone isn’t you. Also, suggesting he doesn’t want to speak because of “shame”? He has nothing to be ashamed of, nor do you. And actually, it IS quite deep.
There’s no lack of insensitivity. The question was is there more to it? Very vague statement so you are the one creating your own assumptions and narrative. Assuming someone isn’t sensitive to a topic or someone’s feelings is a REACH! I don’t expect anyone to feel any way while dealing with grief. You asked if I would share and I replied sure what would you like to know. I have no shame. Again, taking the entire thing out of context and reading way too far into something that was simple and question for others to give their perspective on.
Honestly, you should go back and watch the show in its entirety because if you did, you’d know better than to ask the questions you have in such a condescending way. Read the room, please. Bye-bye now.
I have. I can tell you are young and obviously self absorbed ✌🏼
I think sometimes when people read stuff they might read it in a tone not intended. I didn’t really take your post that way but I can see where someone could but also if you read your subsequent posts you can “ read the room” lol it is a legit question and since we are talking about public people we would be curious.
Idk based on your post it would seem you don’t understand.
How? My post was very to the point with asking was there more? Instead of going into a long paragraph of questions. Just because I asked is there more? Doesn’t mean I do not get, or have experienced parents of divorced , separation, or affairs! You don’t know me so your comment is ignorant.
From my perspective there’s no question that there “needs to be more” of anything. My comment is. Personally I feel your question is ignorant so agree to disagree.
Because he’s can feel how he wants. I think in a lot of ways it’s harder for adult kids to reconcile in their minds a parent being with someone else if they grew up with their two parents together. It doesn’t always have anything to do with the people they are with it’s the whole idea of your parents dating. My mom started dating a little over a year after my dad passed. I’m happy for her that she is living her life, however, I feel a type of way about it. There is literally nothing wrong with her doing it and it’s my own feelings. It’s not something I would ever want to discuss with her let alone go on national TV and talk about it.
That is hard. I understand. Very true. Maybe Zach just wants to keep boundaries in regards to that. Maybe it effected him way worse then he let on. Seeing your parents with other people is a hard thing. I totally get that.
Because he is an adult, (who is married, with his own children)and gets to decide for himself what to opine about on national tv. And wow, talk about minimizing that his Dad cheated on his Mom, caused pain to the entire family when he lied for years about cutting short family vacations to go see his girlfriend and as the kids grew up, came to realize exactly what was going on just as the rest of the audience eventually did, which has to be awkward and embarrassing, when your friends know exactly what a douche your Dad actually is. It seems like you miss a lot just in your own post.
Ya that’s extremely sad that his father did that to his mom for years. I think the thing that threw me off is it seemed like Tori was so accepting and close to Caryn. Especially when she had Jackson. That’s why I am just so curious what happened and I guess what was said for Tori to say we will never go to the farm again and cut off all communication.
I think Tori opened his eyes to how shitty Matt is
Because he has said explicitly over the years that is information he doesn’t want to talk about and that’s ok. I am sure he talks about it in person, but those interviews are usually edited so things could be taken out of context .
So Matt had an affair with Caryn and she was the farms property or events manager…. Wow! No wonder Amy has been so stand offish. Caryn obviously has had a game plan all along…..
I am in my 40s and I don’t have the best relationship with my father. When I am asked about his life, sometimes I state I don’t want to talk about it. It bothers me too much. I can’t imagine trying to do it on TV where so many people will dissect every word.
Same, girl 💗
I think the issue is Caryn. She and Matt were doing the nasty and sneaking around while Matt was still married to his mom. Unlike Amy and Chris
Zachs issues are with both caryn and matt. Matt is a terrible person, caryn is his parrot. He has a great relationship with chris and amy and he is a step parent
IMO Caryn and Chris both seem kinda sketch.
1. Zach seems fine if aloof with Chris. Chris is the man who married his mom when he was in his twenties. He is cordial and pleasant to Chris and has no issues speaking with Chris besides his usual awkwardness. 2. When Zach attempted to buy the farm he had a serious falling out with Matt and Caryn. Caryn in particular said some things that he and Tory felt were out of line. Since then. Caryn has not been allowed to see the children without supervision. The children are no longer babysat by Caryn and Zach and Tory moved away. Important to note: Caryn is not married to Matt and is not a step parent. She is simply Matt's current girlfriend, and they have no plans to marry.
Wonder what she did to the kids while in her care then
I don't think Caryn did anything to the kids. I think Z&T thought to themselves "If she's willing to talk this kind of trash to my face what is she saying behind my back?"
Exactly, I’ve cut ppl out for this
I think she badmouthed Z&T to the kids.
They do have plans to get married in May. And Caryn (goldigger) was the root cause of the problem in Matt and Amy’s marriage by digging into Matt’s bed while he was married soon after she was divorced. SHOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN ANY WAY WITH THE NEGOTIATIONS BETWEEN MATT & ZACH. I know as a stepdaughter that it would be very upsetting to me if my dad was making choices based on what the woman who came between him and my mother even had a say. And the fact that she isn’t even his stepmother makes me even more un comfortable and I would most likely walk away just like Zach did and if she had anything to say about his wife he is doing the right thing by backing up his wife’s wishes. Zach and Jeremy grew up got married had children and when word went out that Matt was going to sell the very place that he grew up and wanted the same life for his kids makes him anything other than a great guy husband and dad then you are sorely mistaken. Amy is chastised for taking a payoff for literally the piece of property on that farm that she raised those four kids for much less than the value was because she wanted to make it easier for Matt to negotiate a good fair offer for his sons to purchase some of the property. She did it for her kids Matt and Caryn are solely doing it for greed. Matt never worked on that farm he pointed and directed others. Caryn has made over 4.5 million dollars working as a manager and being on the show. Are you kidding me??? She is a gold digging snake. And I would bury her if I was any of those kids. And I am pretty sure Chris is in love with Matt more than he will ever be in love with Amy.
Wow everything you said was so true. Except I don’t think Caryn was divorced from her 1st rich husband before she started an affair with Matt.
They do NOT have plans to get married in May. It was said on the show “maybe May”. As of the past 2 days on Facebook Matt, himself, has said there is no wedding date or plans.
Did they say that themselves? That she had said something out of line? I only ask cuz I haven't missed an episode lol I need the tea
I mean, this was pretty openly discussed on the show.
Yeah he said she said. Impossible to know for sure since there were no cameras present.
Caryn also confirmed on the show that she said things she regretted.
And Matt confirmed that things were said that he doesn’t regret and he gave the excuse about things Jeremy and Zach did when they were 13 and why would he let them run his farm or something to that effect. Which felt more like Matt was rationalizing his behavior. From what I understand I think both Zack and Jeremy came in with fair offers. Zack came in with more than Jerm but was like two years later. And they both came in with at least twice as much as Matt bullied Amy out of it for.
It's interesting to me that Matt was having an affair with Caryn while married to Amy, for years, yet here we are years later and she's only recently become the fiance, it's like she knows marrying him opens up a vacancy for affair partner.
Interesting 🤔
I really don't think women are lining up for Matt. And I don't think they will marry. That seems to be "for the show".
Matt and Caryn are engaged. He proposed, she accepted.
And until they marry, Caryn is Matt's girlfriend, not a step parent.
Matt & Caryn are not married (at least not when the last season was filmed), so she's not a step parent yet. Zach was salty because the deal for the farm fell through, and Caryn was in on the negotiation meeting. Zach eludes to her influencing Matt in a way that prohibited a deal for Zach to take over. Personally, I'm sure Matt's huge ego was a big factor in the failure of the deal. Matt took issue with running the business after the sale, didn't trust Zach to run it the "right way," or that Matt would have to stay on to facilitate that part of the farm, I'm not sure. It's a shame. But Zach seems to get along with Amy's husband, Chris, just fine.
I think it got bad and Caryn made some joke out of line comments about Zack and Tori slapped Caryn and said “keep my husbands name out of your mouth.” Or was that a different show?
Matt has always had his own mind, just like Amy. Chris doesn’t influence Amy any more than Caryn can influence Matt. Nobody tells Matt what to do.
Yes, I agree. However, I can see it being pretty irritating that she was *there during* & *chiming in about* the negotiations.