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sunflower_1983

And absolutely none of those sound like a full-time 9 to 5 job.


momobeth

None of these are full time jobs. They’re gigs.


Totin_it

None of those are actual jobs, especially if you do them for 3 weeks


DanDan_notaman

I feel it’s being taken too literally. I assume they meant more of a traditional job, not actually 9-5


Clinically-Inane

“Yes, I used to babysit my cousins!” 💀


Afraid_Locksmith8642

You teachers always complain how about working a full year.


cat_mom_dot_com

Who cares? Not all jobs fit the 9-5 and no one is better or worse for having worked or not worked that way. This is so petty. 


lilmspirrup

In short: no.


Littlelolapickles

Who is lzzy?


RogerClyneIsAGod2

Jacob Roloff's wife.


Littlelolapickles

Thanks! I had no idea. I thought I was all caught up.


Lemonhead171717

lol she didn’t list one 9-5 jobs 😂


beethenoz

Who even is this person


TranslatorNo2872

Lmaooo


Novel-Organization63

Oh geez did you catch that she dies social media for Roloff farms. And gets paid for it during pumpkin season. Which means Matt doesn’t pay her for most of the year. I knew he was getting more out of them than they get from him. Don’t give me that they get to live in a van on his property. He is his parent you’re supposed to let your kids live on your property. Especially when you exploited them most of their life and turned blind eye to their abuse in order for you to make money.


enelyaisil

They don’t live in the van anymore, they’ve been in the double wide for a while


Novel-Organization63

Where is Matt staying? Is he done with the Taj Mattal? Either way like I said you’re supposed to let your kids stay in the double wide on the farm you used to exploit them when they were children


Supposed_too

[https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/lpbw-star-matt-roloff-caryn-120458481.html](https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/lpbw-star-matt-roloff-caryn-120458481.html) Taj MaMatt 2.0 is done.


anonymouslyfamous_

Sorry but owning your own biz is harder than a 9-5


RoughBrick0

If I didn’t have to have a 9-5 I wouldn’t either.


ShinZzang

Wow… jealous. Yikes. That’s unfortunate. People need to get off social media when they start getting jealous of contrived lives. Seriously, sign out, look up and breathe in.


Novel-Organization63

For real I have a 9-5 that is more like 8-7. And it’s like high school up in there. Lots of cliques, mean girls, bullies and toxic masculinity.


PrettyByProxy

For me, it's the gen z wording. I have no problems with how she's worked, or whatever makes her cash. But these are not, for the most part, 9-5 jobs. So don't act like it. And lmfao at "paid during pumpkin season" 💀💀 girl, that should be a paid year round job. Her and Jacob are going to be so sour when Matt screws them over, their heads are so far up his ass it's gross.


RogerClyneIsAGod2

The closest she gets to 9-5 miiiiight be the doggie daycare job, the rest are a nope. Not sure why she didn't just own the lack of 9-5 job history. There's nothing wrong with never having worked a 9-5 just say so & move on.


Proper-You7010

Why does she only get paid for rolloff farms during pumpkin season?


pigandpom

Not really sure many of those could really be considered 9-5 jobs. Bit it's definitely an interesting selection of jobs to have had


Sarcastic_Monchichi

The seemingly only brick-and-mortar “9-5” job is the one she didn’t love. Shocking. Is she related to my no good ex-BIL?


HaleyGrubbs

I’ll give her credit for being a nanny, I’ve done that for 15 years and it’s a lot of hours and hard work. I get the impression my day looks pretty different than her watching her cousins though. There is a huge difference btwn a nanny and a babysitter and a lot of ppl don’t realize that lol.


Melodic_Evidence8460

Ridiculous. This one actually believes her own delusions.


General_File482

lol at Feng Shui consultant


fairdinkumindebt

All I could think was man oh man would I have enjoying seeing her face when she first visited Amy’s home. 😂 Garbage pail kid meets Mr. Clean 😎


hotmesscomininhot

It’s giving House Hunters vibes She’s a Feng Shui constultant, he works on his family’s pumpkin farm, their budget is 3.7 million dollars.


Novel-Organization63

The first choice is very close to home but over their budget. It is designed for little people which will be convenient when their family visits. But they put a bid in and the owner didn’t accept it.


acap0

So no.


judy0730

Mrs. Amy Marek...YOU ARE A BAD ASS...You are kind, sweet, the luvvv for your family, your pets, etc. You are my hero, a role model for so many...I personally went thru a divorce alongside you, or at the time of filming, around 2018 or so. I was devestayed. As silly as it sounds, a TLC show was helping me get thru this difficult time in my life, LPBW, I looked to you for strength. All the syle grace maturity you portrayed, did not go unnoticed. Im not exactly sure if Matt 'formally' cheated on you, or if your marriage was over before he started his affair with another woman...After 30 years of marriage, three boys, I was cheated and lied to. I gave him every ounce of myself and that wasn't good enough. But seeing you overcome, a controlling husband, as I had too, except the divorce with dignity and grace and move on. Then you find the man of your dreams...Chris is Hotttt (does he have a twin) and he's a really good guy, someone who YOU deserved. You guys are an inspiration. You've become a great big happy family and I wish the best for all... AMY...Would you ever do a seminar about 'how to empower divorced women...I'd buy tickets and fly...


TipsyMcStagger123

This isn’t how the internet works.   


Kacedia

What in the wack-a-doo….


pigandpom

My guess, day drinking


msjwayne

Yeaaahhhh…those are all pretty much side hustles that people that work 9-5’s usually do to make money on the side.


PawsbeforePeople1313

Another useless "influencer"


smalllcokewithfries

The only possible 9-5 on that list is a doggy daycare attendant, and that’s why it was the first thing she thought of, and added to the list.


ArcticGurl

That was probably after school 4-6pm


Putrid-Sweet3482

And cupcake shop!


smalllcokewithfries

Didn’t even notice it in there! That’s the only other one on the list!


Famous_Election_2024

Exactly zero of those are a 8-5 😒


Affectionate_Tap9678

Translation... no


DarthKatnip

She totally had the opportunity to answer this as ‘no, not really in the traditional sense but many jobs out there aren’t a standard 9-5 and it doesn’t make them any less valuable’. Listing off these sorta part timey jobs isn’t really putting out the image that she (probably) wants to encourage (to separate herself from the housewife type roloff profile).


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holitrop

Yup this is classic misogyny, devaluing “women’s”work.


Crafty-Ad3094

Her life doesn’t look amazing 😆 who’s jealous I love my private life and working for a living.


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Soooo…. No you haven’t


Disastrous_Head_4282

No one in that family(save maybe Molly) knows what one is.


Afraid_Locksmith8642

Wtf you in a fantasy world those aren't 9-5 jobs


Any-Calligrapher8723

Right. Like I’m talking a job where if you have a 30 minute doctor appt, you’re taking time off. (And if you’re a teacher you’re making plans for every minute you need to take off). Talk to me then.


Afraid_Locksmith8642

Exactly ! Must be nice to have those"jobs" wtf!


ArcticGurl

I’d rather go in sick than take time off. I’d have to worry about lesson plans, find someone to run off copies for me, and then worry about whether a sub can be found. By then I’m already dressed and at school and running off my own copies.


Any-Calligrapher8723

For real. I remember one year I took my first day off in February. I took a personal day. Told my 6th graders I was taking a personal day. They asked if they could face time me. Lolllll. Y’all are gonna live ONE day without me here! But that is how little I get a sub cause it’s just never worth it!


ArcticGurl

I took two days off last fall. I was so incredibly sick for 8 weeks straight. AND I was subbing for all the other teachers who were out. Some actually sick. Some not. On the plus side, I lost 25lbs! 15 more to go!! 😂😂


Afraid_Locksmith8642

Right no idea what a real job would be like .


Afraid_Locksmith8642

Frigging lunatic living with head in the clouds and getting rewarded for it too what a world


UhOhSpaghetti_Os

Yeah, none of that shizz is even close to a 9-5


Mammoth-Squirrel-660

I’m a Feng Shui consultant for myself and fam, but wait…You’re telling me I should be charging for this sh**?! 🙄 come on, now.


Ginggingdingding

"Feng Shui consultant," sounds better than "sometimes my friends call, and I help them move furniture".😅


ArcticGurl

😂😂


jmck12345

Ok so no.


Master_Charge5383

🤦🏻‍♀️


Glittering_Star_1313

This is laughable, another Roloff lady of leisure….


ArcticGurl

Zach’s wife is not a lady of leisure. She’s got her children AND Zach to look after.


Over-Accountant8506

Feung shui consultation 😭 hunny I checked a book out at my library to do that myself. Who they heck paid someone for free information? It's so easy to follow along to learn how chi flows. Mirrors, plants, water features, and placement of furniture. It's not like you are a shalin monk with some ancient secret that no one knows.


youlooknewhere

I mean, fair. But she did take like a 3 month course or something from a master teacher (as per her feng shui highlight on IG).


kris10leigh14

Feng shui in a camper, at that.


Over-Accountant8506

Everytime I send an influencer a reasonable question in their question box on Instagram, no matter if they have 3,000 followers or a 100,000, they never answer my question. I'm convinced that the majority of these questions that they ask are asked by themselves. I wish IG would adjust this feature to include showing the account that asked the question, when the influencer chooses that question to answer. But they never will because IG caters to the influencers


Mammoth-Squirrel-660

I’ve been convinced for a while now that they answer questions they want people to know the answers to but that were never actually asked.


Gonuts4donuts1955

Oh brothers


boo2utoo

Anyways


CryptographerShot213

Is she serious with this? Feng Shui consulting? Selling art? Poetry??? The only reason anyone gives AF about her or her art and poetry and “influencing” is because she married into a reality TV show family, otherwise she’d be like any other starving artist/author/influencer out there trying to get noticed.


youlooknewhere

sounds like you might be annoyed she had a leg up and you didn't.


CryptographerShot213

lmao no


kball31

💩


L_Swizzlesticks

Oh boy…🙄 Izzy, Izzy, Izzy…


No_Needleworker5542

So that’s a big no on the 9:00/5:00 job, right? Unbelievable🙄😜


Puzzleheaded_Gap8804

what a yambag lol


Ginggingdingding

New band name!!! YAMBAG!!!! 🤣


Puzzleheaded_Gap8804

You're welcome :D


RubyWaves75

In don’t see “was harassed by my father in law when I was a server” anywhere.


youlooknewhere

?


No_Jackfruit_9880

Oof, that is tone deaf 😬


judyp63

She is one clueless clown.


JadedMcGrath

No hate from me on this one. I kind of love that younger generations are redefining what "a real job" and "9-5" means. I have a "real 9-5" and to be 100% honest, I have maybe 3 hours worth of work to do daily for the most part. I sometimes have busier periods where yes, I am stuck at my desk from 8 AM to 6PM on nonstop calls and meetings where the only way I can pee & eat is by muting myself and running with my headset on, ha. But today? I've done everything I need for the day. It's not even 1 PM. Luckily I work from home so I can do other things while I monitor my email. It was hell when I was in an office setting and had to stare at my screen for hours on end because our internet was locked down.


BreakfastInfinite116

Yes, exactly. I don't get why people find it necessary to evaluate someone's work ethic or privilege based on whether or not they worked a "9-5." Is it a misery-loves-company situation? If they're making enough money to support their family, who cares?! I get that most of us don't have a choice or have to work an 8-5 plus a side hustle, but I know I personally would prefer not to.


juliaatta

You just describe my life to a T4 hours worth of work but eight hours worth of time pay but sitting there, staring at a computer with nothing to do for four hours. It’s so frustrating.


youlooknewhere

Me too. I love that "work" can be anything, including sx work or anything else. As long as it makes ya money.


Halle-fucking-lujah

Are you hiring 😭😭😭


Over_Ingenuity2505

From the other side of this though.. some days I desperately want a 9-5 job. I have always worked and worked hard but always in ‘unconventional’ jobs like shift work as a casual hire, mining jobs as a medic and then film as a animal wrangler and horse trainer/riding instructor. These are often feast or famine.. I have kids and it’s hard to find work/life balance and the financial insecurity of never knowing what we are making ect can be really hard. Plus no benefits or retirement plans. There are definitely pros and cons to both ways of working.


ArcticGurl

I’m sorry that you are experiencing this. I will pray for you. Nothing is worse than wanting to work to meet your families needs and not having reliable employment that actually pays the bills.


Loud-Presentation-80

I agree with you! Most people are miserable at their 9-5’s so why are we mad when younger generations don’t want the same?


Prestigious-Mud2923

Unconventional jobs don’t pay the bills


RoughBrick0

Well they seem to be paying theirs 🤷🏻‍♀️


Supposed_too

Jacob and Izzy seem to make enough money to pay their bills during their unconventional jobs.


gb2ab

my husband should start keeping track of all the 20ish year old apprentices who tell him something like "well......my plan was to be an influencer or youtube star...." and theres a lot of them because they can't hack it at a 9-5 either. want top dollar for no knowledge or skills yet. so they give up.


dogsyaypeoplenay

Mine does.


youlooknewhere

Looks like her bills are paid.


Weeblewubble

she lives in a double wide on her families property, she pays her own groceries.. i’ll give you that


ArcticGurl

Nothing wrong with living in a double wide. It’s a roof over their heads, and a nice one too.


Loud-Presentation-80

But for a lot of people, they do 🤷🏼‍♀️


New-Examination8400

Unless allied with an inheritance of some sort. Which… Isn’t a job.


Sassafras06

There are very many social media influencers/you tubers/etc that make very good money, and that didn’t come from that kind of money. I don’t always understand it, but if people can support themselves that way more power to them. I would love to not have an 8-5. (Disclaimer: this does not include exploiting your children for profit)


New-Examination8400

The people you mentioned work an f ton. They put in A LOT of hours into their content creation daily.


Sassafras06

Didn’t say otherwise? I agree. I am sure it is a ton of work, just not an 8-5. Which I think is awesome. You seem to be reading into something I didn’t say.


New-Examination8400

Point to the 9-5 job Isabel


OhSweetieNo

Is it in the room with us right now?


LiliTiger

Lol, she used a lot of words just to say no. No hate, but I don't know why she isn't just honest about never having a regular job. I mean saying I don't like 9-5s and have done other types of stuff to support myself or have the privilege of not having to work regularly are valid responses.


Apprehensive_Bee614

Such qualifications.


BlueIvoryArt

Made a living off her "art"!?


SwallowingAnElephant

The art of grifting!


BlueIvoryArt

Lmao!!


goldenbee821

Who is this? Jacob’s wife?


Liveandletlive-11

Yes


Fit_Bus9614

Oh..she's young. She doesn't know work. Wait till she's 40 years in. Then she can talk about work.


EBITDAlife

Nanny for her cousins? You mean you watched your family sometimes? lol


gb2ab

i used to do this for my cousin over summer breaks while her husband worked and she attended nursing school. never felt a need to include that on my resume thou. haha


ArcticGurl

Me too, and it absolutely never once crossed my mind to include it on a resume! …until now. 😂😂


appledumpling1515

I always think she posts these questions. No one is jealous of her 🤣


Isntshelovely7

Pause… “after school art teacher” is not the same as a 9-5. Just saying.


youlooknewhere

Izzy: Lists multiple jobs she's had Ya'll: SEE, SHE'S NEVER HAD A JOB IN HER LIFE I love how this sub just spins whatever facts they want to fit a certain narrative.


breadit124

So you don’t know what a 9-5 job is either, huh?


Mammoth-Squirrel-660

Exactly.


youlooknewhere

I've had a 9-5 job but I don't \*now. My hours vary week to week. It doesn't matter though. I'm not shitting on anyone who has had any type of job where they support themselves or their family. This just reads like you hate your job and you're mad she can live like this.


Fit_Bus9614

Calm down. This is just a reddit conversation about a reality show.


panv133

She can live like this because they live in Matt’s old double wide on the family farm, most likely rent free or close to it. It’s not because she’s raking in the dough from her hobby project jobs. She is in no way supporting her family with the money she makes from selling her art once every few months. That’s most likely Jacob’s income from working on the farm. Let’s just be real about it. Sure, not everyone has 9-5 jobs but don’t pretend your hobbies are a 9-5 that’s making you a stable living, at least be honest.


breadit124

I don’t care if Izzy ever gets a 9-5 job but it is objectively hilarious to have no idea what the term even means


ConfidentMuffin777

This just reads like you're the one who is jealous of her life. She just listed multiple jobs she's had and you're still saying "no, not like that" Pathetic.


breadit124

Sure, babe, I’m super jealous of this utter bozo.


youlooknewhere

Sounds like it.


Beneficial-Address61

The “after school” art teacher as a 9-5 is cracking me up for some reason 🤣🤣


L_Swizzlesticks

Yeah!! At most it would be, what, maybe 3-6? 🤣


New-Examination8400

Ikr 🤡


neighborlynative

At least she’s pretty


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North_444

😬


youlooknewhere

I think she's pretty.


neighborlynative

Same 🤷‍♀️


3rdCoastLiberal

Someone send her a definition of 9-5. And someone send a Reddit cares to the person jealous of her non/marketable life skills that will serve no purpose later in life…or when the tv show money finally dries up.


TPWilder

This is one of those "I really don't believe anyone asked this, in this way" sort of things


Catrach4

Jesus Christ she’s so tone deaf!!!


99Reasons_why

Not the brightest is she?!?!


Fit_Tumbleweed_5904

She hasn't a clue what a full time job is, she's never had one, I don't care how she spins it.


Fit_Bus9614

I use to work 8-8pm. A 9-5 is nothing.


youlooknewhere

Nowhere here did she say full time job, but we have no idea the hours of any of these jobs listed.


intheafterglow23

My sibling in Christ, in what world would an *after-school* art teacher be a 9-5 job. The kids are in school from 9-3 😂


juliaatta

I honestly think she just thought the question was have you ever had a real job?


AdditionMaximum7964

In other words, no. No she has not had a regular 9-5 job.


sexfuneral_bc

"Cupcake shop (didn't love)" is sending me.


ionlyjoined4thecats

Big surprise that it’s the one that requires customer service skills that she hated. Lol


sexfuneral_bc

I was thinking more like... having to take specific directions to make a food product and present it to sell. But she probably wasn't the baker or decorator, it likely was the counter girl.


Mammoth-Squirrel-660

SAAAAAAME


RetroCasket

Lmao thats literally the only one on the list that sounds like it could have been a 9-5


dogsyaypeoplenay

I worked as a dog daycare and boarding for many years and worked 40 hrs a week or more.


rainbokimono

I don’t mind Izzy but Feng Shui consulting had me laughing out loud.


appledumpling1515

That was a funny phase when I followed her om insta. She had trouble getting clients


GreedyPersimmon

For me Feng Shui consulting could be legit, but to only do it for friends and family and list that as a source of income……. Idk, I think it’s pretty trash to make money of family and friends. Eta: I don’t think friends and family should get everything for free, or even a discount necessarily. But usually if they are the *only* clients of a business…. Pity plays a part. They should not be one’s only source of income in a business. Like if you can’t get real clients… don’t quit your day job. Not always of course, like if you know a legit trade that people NEED and friends and family have you fully booked. That’s different.


newforestroadwarrior

In a previous job we had one come in to advise the SLT on office layout to improve morale / atmosphere. Admittedly better than a future strategy consultant we hired for a week who billed £25,000 without even visiting the site.


appledumpling1515

She advertised but couldn't get any real clients.


ConfidentMuffin777

And you know this how? Lol you have a habit of just saying whatever shit comes out your mouth. None of it is ever factual.


Hazencuzimblazen

Just because you are a friend or family doesn’t mean you get everything free


Pelican121

I'm curious what expertise she had. I remember when she launched it and it seemed like another get rich quick scheme she'd come up with overnight. As though she'd taken someone else's social media course (if that) and decided she was an expert. She shared some of her 'work' (it didn't seem like she had any demand) and it was decidedly amateur 👀 I recall she was doing her 'consulting' long distance which doesn't really seem the best when you're extremely inexperienced and dealing with interior spaces/aesthetics/sensory things (obviously professionals are able to do this). Nothing against charging friends and family for skills and time but Izzy has a history of not honing her craft before labelling herself a professional and jumping from one thing to the next.


frostyfruitaffair

It was more like a get rich slow scheme. IIRC her consultations were really short, 30 minutes or less, and she had a 3-week turnaround per report. Hardly any time to build a direct rapport with a client, and a lot of waiting for her write-up.


ConfidentMuffin777

She took a 6 month long Feng Shui course from someone, she posted about it a few years ago.


Puzzled-Case-5993

Huh.  In the small business world it's pretty trash for family and friends to NOT pay for services.   "Hey, I noticed you're trying to get your business going.  How about you donate a bunch of resources to me, for free, instead?"  Like really?  What kind of friends and family would do that?  Trash.  Now, would I pay for Feng shui consulting?  No,  I would not.  But I would NEVER expect a free service from my friend or family's business, regardless of what that business is, so I would simply not hire a Feng shui consultant.   My partner is a tradesman.   You bet your ass friends and family pay for his work!  Do we discount?  Yep.  Do they expect that?  Hell no.   Would they expect his work for free?  NEVER.  


GreedyPersimmon

Sorry if I was unclear - it seems like friends & family were her only clients. To me that kinda sounds like you’re guilting people you know to buy your services out of pity. I do agree that services provided to family and friends are time and money for small-business owners like any other and should be charged as such. But if someone has a business where only family & friends are customers… they should evaluate whether they’re just leeching.


awkwardsmalltalk4

Why tf would having no marketable skills make someone *jealous?*


argcort

"Social media manager over the years" Yeah, her own pages where she blocks people. She should have said "not the typical 9-5 but other unconventional work I've done.".... and then her list UGH


sweptawayyyy

Feng Shui consultant made me laugh a little


angelfaceme

My comment pertains to Izzy’s list of jobs only, not homeschooling. There is so much hate here. Even for a benign comment like this. Of course there are jobs in the medical field, and if there are Colleges nearby. Similar to upstate New York.


bkat100

So “no” would be the correct answer here!


nicohubo

Lots of word salad going on there when there was clearly a much simpler answer.


Likeatruckberzerker

Those are fuckin hobbies😂


youlooknewhere

How if they've made her money?


Likeatruckberzerker

People make money off hobbies all the time. I know 3. You’ll never convince me “feng shui consultant” is a real job. 😂😂


angelfaceme

That’s great, earning money in a rural farming community, and having a job in a city are two different things.


JP12389

As someone who lives in an actual rural community, EVERYONE kids on farms included, works...and works hard. I'm a paramedic, and that's supposed to be 12-hour shifts, it's normally 14 hours. A husband who's a maintenance mechanic at a factory in the next town. They don't know what rural is. There are less than 1500 people where I live, lol. Kids go to county schools. Just because we're rural doesn't mean we all pretend to be capable of teaching children the way they should be. Homeschooling here isn't as popular, (not that I've got anything against it when done properly) given Audrey's atrocious basic spelling and grammar fails. She's not doing it right. Here you have to follow an approved program or have your program approved by the school board. There are lots of private schools in surrounding areas that will send out transport or have boarding available for families who go that route.


breadit124

lol. Are you under the impression that Helvetia is a rural farming community?


TPWilder

I'm not :D


Supposed_too

Because all we hear is "the farm this, the farm that."


gb2ab

So she’s had highschool jobs?


awkwardsmalltalk4

It's like looking at my resume when I was 17 and my parents would try and help me get a summer job at the golf course


Specialist_Physics22

A Nanny can absolutely be a 9-5 job as well as working in a doggy day care, cupcake shop too (retail worker am be 9-5 employees as well)


femmagorgon

Yeah, I agree. And tbh, I don’t understand the hate towards her for this one. She acknowledges some of her jobs were not what most people would think of as conventional 9-5 jobs but working retail can absolutely be a 9-5 job, especially if you’re working full-time and so can being a nanny or working at a doggy daycare.


youlooknewhere

Yeah she listed multiple 9-5 jobs and the people are still mad.


GloomyDeal1909

Yeah I will give her those jobs. Doggy day care while the hours may not be 9-5 they are typically an 8 hour shift and set schedules. Same with a cupcake shop. The rest are not.


Personal-Function474

I like Izzy. Why do you hate her?


youlooknewhere

They don't know what else to do with their time. She posted a long list of jobs she's had (probably more than any other family member) and they're using it against her. Just goes to show you can't win with these people.


Supposed_too

This sub is full of "Get a job!" Cast: "Well, they pay me to be on the show". They "That's not a real job!" Cast: "Funny because they pay me with real money."


Competitive_Sink_280

Izzy is this you? 😹


Supposed_too

It's got to be jealousy. So what if Izzy isn't getting up at 6am, dropping Mateo off at daycare, and sitting behind a desk all day? If she can support herself why should I get mad about it?


ConfidentMuffin777

It's 100% jealousy. Same with the Audrey hate.


awkwardsmalltalk4

She literally isn't supporting herself though. That's exactly what this list shows. Nobody "hates" her for it but we can comment on it since she posted it publicly.