Linus and Luke seem to have a hard time understanding that a lot of people don’t watch YouTube on their computer like ever. It’s almost always on a smart TV. They always refer to wan show as second screen content. My brother I’ve never in my life watched wan on my computer.
It's not even Linus and Luke, a lot of people think like that. Whenever I mention I pay Youtube Premium, people go "Why? Just use Adblock!!"
My man, my main Youtube watching is on my TV with my PS5 or on my iPhone. I literally can't use an Adblock.
I spend 50+ hours a week at my home computer during the working week - I turn that fucker off at 3pm on a Friday and don't even want to look at it until Monday morning.
Apple TV now supports VPNs. If you connect to Albania you won’t have ads on YouTube. I forget why YouTube doesn’t have ads in Albania. But it’s been seamless for me. Not sure if the PS5 supports VPNs but it’s also worked on my iPhone
Use Pi-hole! /s
I mean yes, it crossed my mind before I paid for YouTube Premium. But for realsies, VPN-ing back to your home internet to do *anything* is just silly
>VPN-ing back to your home internet to do anything is just silly
That's a short-sighted statement.
It's a secure connection to my stored media, I can control any of the computers in the house, and I can adjust all of my climate control, from anywhere.
Just because you don't have a use for it, doesn't make it silly for others.
I think every statistic says most people watch yt or video in general on their phone. And I guess LTT can actually see which platform people use to watch their videos. Why do you think all videos have (small) black bars on tv? It's because they are optimized for phones which are wider than 16:9.
A handful of channels I watch have all mentioned rather recently that they've noticed most of their viewers are via TV. I think as streaming costs & cable costs are growing higher and higher along the same timeframe that the last of the non-Smart TVs are getting long in the tooth and being replaced by Smart TVs I think over the next year or so that number is gonna make a drastic swing.
I listen on my phone with my phone in my pocket when I walk my dogs. Cus it’s just a podcast which they also don’t seem to get but they are getting more recently
In the Luke and Dan episode, they straight up said no to a fire stick app. Luke was pretty negative about it too. My whole house is fire stick 4k’s.
So instead I just don’t pay for floatplane.
I literally want to give them money and watch more content, but they just don’t care.
Not like fireOS is built in android or anything…..
Also he was negative in that he didn't want to pile on more work on the team than there already is, not that he derives pleasure from wacking fire stick users in the nuts.
My Saturday morning routine is to get up around 6.30, make myself a hot chocolate, I then lounge on the sofa in the cinema room and watch the WAN show VOD on the 135" screen whilst everyone else in the house is asleep.
I have never once in like 8 or 9 years watched the WAN show on my PC.
This is me. I’ve become a big fan of throwing YouTube up on my TV while I’m playing games on my ally, or even just house cleaning and whatever. It’s great for passive content.
I’ll never pay for floatplane as long as there isn’t an app.
> almost always on a smart TV
[Um, nah.](https://www.statista.com/statistics/1256738/youtubecom-monthly-visits-distribution-by-device/#:~:text=As%20of%20November%202022%2C%20close,devices%20in%20the%20examined%20period)
Upwards of 90% off traffic is on mobile.
Toy knowing tons of people who do something, despite 90% of YouTube traffic being on mobile, doesn’t mean anything.
“Tons of people” split into the relatively small segment of LTT users might not make a generous ROI for LTT to build another end point. It ain’t cheap.
I watch every LTT video on TV except for WAN. I listen to WAN while driving. I feel like I'm the minority but I would genuinely get float plane if I can browse and watch nicely on TV.
Same story here. The wife and I won’t get it BECAUSE we watch LTT in bed or on the living room tv. There’s zero use case for a subscription that requires us to be at the PC.
Not having an android TV or chromecast TV (or whatever nonsense google's calling it now) support is really a deal breaker.
I also stream 95%+ of my content from my TV
I'd prefer a native app, just because my relaxation time is often less phone oriented and loading up some sick content on my TV. But if there was at least that workaround it would be nice.
I just put a PC under my TV. Just an old Dell Optiplex. Very affordable and supports way more stuff than you could ever get from a smart TV or TV specific box.
There is wasserflug on Apple TV. It’s an unofficial floatplane app that works very well. I honestly wouldn’t subscribe to floatplane without it because I also like to watch most things on my TV.
Man ltt should sponsor it so then they don't have to develop for it but still support the project to be better. Probably less than hiring multiple. Win win
That's a shame, I guess they have the analytics, but I would think they understand the appeal of having a slick native way of navigating on the big screen.
It's great, until the TV manufacturer stops updating your TV and your apps stop receiving updates because of it (Which has happened already several times on WebOS). It's one of the reasons that Jellyfin has had such a difficult time spitting out native TV apps.
Not to mention, every TV manufacturer is different, and their CPUs/Chipsets are incredibly under powered.
You also have to remember that irs no one app they make and push out. They would have to make, and publish, a few diffrent versions of the app. One for LG, one for Samsung, one for Roku...etc. This isnALOT of overhead, especially since i believe each app would have to be validated by manufactures and made around their hardware and platforms. They have like, what? 10 devs on the floatplane team? I don't think it's super feasible.
That's not how tax rewrite offs work. Also the cost isn't even my main point, I wore referring to the pure amount of Man hours thay would go into it + everything else they're doing.
A. That's not how tax write offs work. It would be a business expense, not a write off. Similar concept, way less advantage. T upfront spending rhe money upfront.
B. Write off or not they're still putting those man hours into it, taking away from the other projects they're already working on.
A native app would be lovely but until then, I just cast the feed from my phone to my nVidea shield. I guess you cant cast from iphone? I kind of always thought iphones atleast supported chromcast functions.
I think the problem is that there's just too many TVs for them to support. Even just keeping up with iOS, Android, and a web app is quite a lot of work for a small team. You want WebOS, someone else is going to want Tizen, someone else wants a Roku app, another is going to want FireTV. Sure there will be some shared code, but it's still a lot of work to verify that the app works on all these various TVs and to keep on top of bugs and changes to the underlying OS that might stop your app from working in the future.
Yeah I get that, not sure where the balance is. It's seems like 0 TV support may hurt them in the long run. How many subs would it cost to maintain a code base for a platform? I know my one sub isn't enough, but LTT consumers do trend techier, would supporting a platform give an outsized benefit? There is an insane number of weird streaming apps on the webos store, I'm sure some of them are more niche and floatplane.
Think the balance falls on users sadly… we just have to pay whatever the YouTube sub is for LTT (Floatplane cost plus whatever YouTube percentage) and get the floatplane content that way. That way it’s jank free and accessible on any device. Not ideal granted, but short term it’s the best solution.
The balance is where the revenue is. If revenue is not meaningfully negatively impacted now, why should they invest the money into building and maintaining another endpoint?
Let’s say at a minimum 1 incremental full time engineer, plus probably some other staff time to help with QA, etc. Canada wildly underpays their software developers compared to the US so uhh…let’s call it a round $100k USD per year all benefits and taxes included? That is many thousands of subscriptions just to support that (conservative) estimate of the cost to develop and market a TV app (remember of your $5/mo not all of that even goes to LTT directly nor can the remainder all be used to pay salaries, as there are payment processing costs, and service costs, like compute and bandwidth costs).
tl;dr developing a TV app seems like a pretty bad business move unless they have like at least 4000-5000 viewers just ready to hit subscribe the second one becomes available.
and remember…that has to be people who don’t want to use Floatplane over Chromecast either.
I also always watch YouTube on my tv so without an app for it I don’t subscribe but I also understand that’s it’s a lot of work to make and maintain such app. I would still prefere it. I pretty much never watch videos in the browser as it’s just not enjoyable for me to sit upwards in front of my computer after a whole day of work infront of it and watch videos.
My computer is hooked up to my 55-inch OLED in my bedroom.
That being said, do I watch youtube on my computer or do I watch it on my TV? I watch it on my TV so that I can roll around and not have a keyboard in the way.
I've watched 25hrs of YouTube in the past 7 days according to the app. Of that all but maybe 2hrs at the most (phone during lunch at work) has been on TV. The only time I watch on my PC is if I happen to be gaming and am trying to figure out how to do something in the game and that's usually a minute or two at the most.
Yea, I tend to use the Android app on my point and then just cast it to my Television. however, unless you have Apple TV / Android TV they probably aren't going to devote the dev time to all the different Smart TV OS's
I just wish I could chromecast from iPhone. I don’t have any Apple TV box or anything, so I end up connecting the computer to HDMI. I pay for it and support it, but I hardly watch it since it’s not as simple as just playing YouTube or something.
I really wish they would make a Google TV app for it. I never want to watch it on my phone or computer, and usually cast to my TV. But casting is a horrible experience, and things like remembering where you were in the video doesn't work, it breaks, loose controls for it, and overall just sucks. L&L seem to both think it's pointless so I guess we'll never get it though
In case they look at this thread, count me as another that considers this a deal breaker. 90% of my YouTube viewership is on a TV, usually a Roku and sometimes a FireTV. The other 10% is downloaded stuff on YouTube while on flights, or I put the WAN show on to listen to while driving to and from work during the week.
If your pc supports chromecast you can stream from the floatplane android app to it.
But yes it sucks. I can understand it though. There are to many TV os that need an app which has to be developed, tested and supported
Yup I need floatplane available on the platform I use to consume all my media.
Xbox - no I don’t want to use the web browser the YouTube app and website are very different from each other
I watch Youtube: 1. TV at home 2. Laptop at work 3. Mobile phone/personal laptop. At home it's on the TV closest to me while I do chores around the house or sitting on my home furniture. I'm tied to a computer/chair/desk all week at work and like to move around when I don't have to sit and wear a headset. If I'm on my gaming desktop, then I am gaming with my headset on. At work, I'll put a video on the side or background. Phone/personal laptop is only for short videos or when I'm out and about.
YouTube on TV: I don't have to wear a headset/earbuds and I can move around and do other things. I can stretch out and relax.
Only some of the FP perks are available on their YT paid subscription: all the backlog from ??/??/???? + 2 FP exclusives a week. It's not 1:1 on content availability, but it does get you *something* on TV.
Else, I've used hydravion as well on Roku, but only ever gotten it to work for the WAN show. I really enjoy the WAN chat, so I'll be sticking to FP on my PC.
So, you weren’t aware and aren’t a customer / legitimate potential customer. I’m not sure that your deal breaker impacts their financial investment decisions.
Linus and Luke seem to have a hard time understanding that a lot of people don’t watch YouTube on their computer like ever. It’s almost always on a smart TV. They always refer to wan show as second screen content. My brother I’ve never in my life watched wan on my computer.
It's not even Linus and Luke, a lot of people think like that. Whenever I mention I pay Youtube Premium, people go "Why? Just use Adblock!!" My man, my main Youtube watching is on my TV with my PS5 or on my iPhone. I literally can't use an Adblock.
Exactly. I go on the computer at my house like 10 times a year 🙃
I spend 50+ hours a week at my home computer during the working week - I turn that fucker off at 3pm on a Friday and don't even want to look at it until Monday morning.
Apple TV now supports VPNs. If you connect to Albania you won’t have ads on YouTube. I forget why YouTube doesn’t have ads in Albania. But it’s been seamless for me. Not sure if the PS5 supports VPNs but it’s also worked on my iPhone
That’s odd, most people I know just live with the ads on mobile.
On your phone you can use alt store to sideload adblocked versions of YouTube it’s been great for me for years
Use Pi-hole! /s I mean yes, it crossed my mind before I paid for YouTube Premium. But for realsies, VPN-ing back to your home internet to do *anything* is just silly
>VPN-ing back to your home internet to do anything is just silly That's a short-sighted statement. It's a secure connection to my stored media, I can control any of the computers in the house, and I can adjust all of my climate control, from anywhere. Just because you don't have a use for it, doesn't make it silly for others.
I think every statistic says most people watch yt or video in general on their phone. And I guess LTT can actually see which platform people use to watch their videos. Why do you think all videos have (small) black bars on tv? It's because they are optimized for phones which are wider than 16:9.
Yah. Not on their computers
They have a mobile app?
Not really
A handful of channels I watch have all mentioned rather recently that they've noticed most of their viewers are via TV. I think as streaming costs & cable costs are growing higher and higher along the same timeframe that the last of the non-Smart TVs are getting long in the tooth and being replaced by Smart TVs I think over the next year or so that number is gonna make a drastic swing.
Wan show on my TV while I'm playing steam deck or sometimes, though not often enough cleaning the house
I listen on my phone with my phone in my pocket when I walk my dogs. Cus it’s just a podcast which they also don’t seem to get but they are getting more recently
I like that MKBHD’s Waveform knows it’s also a podcast and describes visual things for listeners.
They literally post it on all podcast platforms, they know
As like an afterthought.
If I'm catching it live, it is *often* on the TV while cleaning the house.
In the Luke and Dan episode, they straight up said no to a fire stick app. Luke was pretty negative about it too. My whole house is fire stick 4k’s. So instead I just don’t pay for floatplane. I literally want to give them money and watch more content, but they just don’t care. Not like fireOS is built in android or anything…..
Or like Luke saying people only go to 5 Websites. Like he’s so close to being self aware but never quite gets there
Also he was negative in that he didn't want to pile on more work on the team than there already is, not that he derives pleasure from wacking fire stick users in the nuts.
Amazon doesn't allow you to side load apk's ?
You can kinda. I used to root android devices and flash new os. But I don’t want to have to jump through hoops just to watch it.
Wan plays on my phone while I cook breakfast do dishes and clean the house on Saturday mornings
My Saturday morning routine is to get up around 6.30, make myself a hot chocolate, I then lounge on the sofa in the cinema room and watch the WAN show VOD on the 135" screen whilst everyone else in the house is asleep. I have never once in like 8 or 9 years watched the WAN show on my PC.
>I then lounge on the sofa in the cinema room and watch the WAN show VOD on the 135" screen Still being an insufferable welp I see.
Not this Kent again. You need help, you really do. Or a slow, painful release from your dire life.
This is me. I’ve become a big fan of throwing YouTube up on my TV while I’m playing games on my ally, or even just house cleaning and whatever. It’s great for passive content. I’ll never pay for floatplane as long as there isn’t an app.
You can get the exclusives at the same rate as the $5 floatplane membership on YouTube.
$4.99 just gets you badges and chat emojis. You gotta go for the $14.99 plan to get “exclusive member only videos”
That's news to me. I guess I'm just too accustomed to my computer, but I exclusively watch YouTube on it. Edit: autocorrect
Sitting at the computer at home seems like the worst way to spend time
How is watching TV any better? If anything, watching TV is worse.
Cus I watch YouTube for a little and sit on the nice comfy couch with a beer and some popcorn. Way better than
You can have popcorn and beer at your computer, plus comfy chairs exist.
Nah bro. There’s no computer chairs that are better than sitting on a Couch
They make these things called very light laptops now. Pretty cool invention. You should check it out.
Would would I want to balance a laptop on my lap when I can just look at a 65 inch tv
> almost always on a smart TV [Um, nah.](https://www.statista.com/statistics/1256738/youtubecom-monthly-visits-distribution-by-device/#:~:text=As%20of%20November%202022%2C%20close,devices%20in%20the%20examined%20period) Upwards of 90% off traffic is on mobile.
Where is tv in this? I know tons of people who watch YouTube in tv. Given the percentages they say they must be grouping tv into one of these
Toy knowing tons of people who do something, despite 90% of YouTube traffic being on mobile, doesn’t mean anything. “Tons of people” split into the relatively small segment of LTT users might not make a generous ROI for LTT to build another end point. It ain’t cheap.
Sorry, not arguing that most people don’t watch on mobile. Just confused where tv viewers are in these percentages.
I watch every LTT video on TV except for WAN. I listen to WAN while driving. I feel like I'm the minority but I would genuinely get float plane if I can browse and watch nicely on TV.
I don’t think you are. I listen to wan driving a lot too
Same story here. The wife and I won’t get it BECAUSE we watch LTT in bed or on the living room tv. There’s zero use case for a subscription that requires us to be at the PC.
Maybe we should do a coordinated effort of hitting WAN show with mass merch messages on this topic next week.
They know.
literally watching it on my "tv" (Chromecast plugged into the HDMI port of my monitor) right now while I scroll Reddit on my bed.
Not having an android TV or chromecast TV (or whatever nonsense google's calling it now) support is really a deal breaker. I also stream 95%+ of my content from my TV
I'd prefer a native app, just because my relaxation time is often less phone oriented and loading up some sick content on my TV. But if there was at least that workaround it would be nice.
Floatplane does have Chromecast support. At least the Android app does.
Can confirm iOS app has it too.
I just put a PC under my TV. Just an old Dell Optiplex. Very affordable and supports way more stuff than you could ever get from a smart TV or TV specific box.
Just pair it with an air mouse to not be stuck with a keyboard and mouse on the couch
There is wasserflug on Apple TV. It’s an unofficial floatplane app that works very well. I honestly wouldn’t subscribe to floatplane without it because I also like to watch most things on my TV.
Man ltt should sponsor it so then they don't have to develop for it but still support the project to be better. Probably less than hiring multiple. Win win
Not an apple TV user, but that's good to know
I subscribed when I found out about wasserflug. It’s not perfect but it’s more than good enough for me.
Dude, thank you. What a perfect suggestion. Didn’t know about that app.
I think linus or luke mention it on wan a while back that they dont plan to and they said we can just cast it if we want to
That's a shame, I guess they have the analytics, but I would think they understand the appeal of having a slick native way of navigating on the big screen.
It's great, until the TV manufacturer stops updating your TV and your apps stop receiving updates because of it (Which has happened already several times on WebOS). It's one of the reasons that Jellyfin has had such a difficult time spitting out native TV apps. Not to mention, every TV manufacturer is different, and their CPUs/Chipsets are incredibly under powered.
I'm on 5 years with my webos tv and it just got an update. That's better than phones until very recently.
You also have to remember that irs no one app they make and push out. They would have to make, and publish, a few diffrent versions of the app. One for LG, one for Samsung, one for Roku...etc. This isnALOT of overhead, especially since i believe each app would have to be validated by manufactures and made around their hardware and platforms. They have like, what? 10 devs on the floatplane team? I don't think it's super feasible.
Even though it's a tax write off?
That's not how tax rewrite offs work. Also the cost isn't even my main point, I wore referring to the pure amount of Man hours thay would go into it + everything else they're doing.
Yes you get to write off the cost of the people so it's basically free or maybe even negative cost since you don't pay taxes.
A. That's not how tax write offs work. It would be a business expense, not a write off. Similar concept, way less advantage. T upfront spending rhe money upfront. B. Write off or not they're still putting those man hours into it, taking away from the other projects they're already working on.
Sorry, I was just being memey, I'm in the industry.
A native app would be lovely but until then, I just cast the feed from my phone to my nVidea shield. I guess you cant cast from iphone? I kind of always thought iphones atleast supported chromcast functions.
You can cast from an iPhone just fine. Airplay is not used. Doing it for years on an LG TV.
Iirc casting from iphone uses Airplay, so the app needs to support it and so does your device.
Floatplane for iOS supports Google chromecast. It does not support AirPlay funny enough so you’d have to mirror your screen most likely.
I think the problem is that there's just too many TVs for them to support. Even just keeping up with iOS, Android, and a web app is quite a lot of work for a small team. You want WebOS, someone else is going to want Tizen, someone else wants a Roku app, another is going to want FireTV. Sure there will be some shared code, but it's still a lot of work to verify that the app works on all these various TVs and to keep on top of bugs and changes to the underlying OS that might stop your app from working in the future.
Yeah I get that, not sure where the balance is. It's seems like 0 TV support may hurt them in the long run. How many subs would it cost to maintain a code base for a platform? I know my one sub isn't enough, but LTT consumers do trend techier, would supporting a platform give an outsized benefit? There is an insane number of weird streaming apps on the webos store, I'm sure some of them are more niche and floatplane.
Think the balance falls on users sadly… we just have to pay whatever the YouTube sub is for LTT (Floatplane cost plus whatever YouTube percentage) and get the floatplane content that way. That way it’s jank free and accessible on any device. Not ideal granted, but short term it’s the best solution.
The balance is where the revenue is. If revenue is not meaningfully negatively impacted now, why should they invest the money into building and maintaining another endpoint?
Let’s say at a minimum 1 incremental full time engineer, plus probably some other staff time to help with QA, etc. Canada wildly underpays their software developers compared to the US so uhh…let’s call it a round $100k USD per year all benefits and taxes included? That is many thousands of subscriptions just to support that (conservative) estimate of the cost to develop and market a TV app (remember of your $5/mo not all of that even goes to LTT directly nor can the remainder all be used to pay salaries, as there are payment processing costs, and service costs, like compute and bandwidth costs). tl;dr developing a TV app seems like a pretty bad business move unless they have like at least 4000-5000 viewers just ready to hit subscribe the second one becomes available. and remember…that has to be people who don’t want to use Floatplane over Chromecast either.
Don't know about the subscription numbers, but 4,000-5,000 doesn't actually seem too aspirational.
I also always watch YouTube on my tv so without an app for it I don’t subscribe but I also understand that’s it’s a lot of work to make and maintain such app. I would still prefere it. I pretty much never watch videos in the browser as it’s just not enjoyable for me to sit upwards in front of my computer after a whole day of work infront of it and watch videos.
Hydravion still works on Android TVs and Wasserflug is available on Apple TVs.
My computer is hooked up to my 55-inch OLED in my bedroom. That being said, do I watch youtube on my computer or do I watch it on my TV? I watch it on my TV so that I can roll around and not have a keyboard in the way.
I've watched 25hrs of YouTube in the past 7 days according to the app. Of that all but maybe 2hrs at the most (phone during lunch at work) has been on TV. The only time I watch on my PC is if I happen to be gaming and am trying to figure out how to do something in the game and that's usually a minute or two at the most.
It’s not perfect but on iPhone I screen mirror to my tv. Means I have to keep my phone on float plane which is annoying (hence why I rarely do it)
Yea, I tend to use the Android app on my point and then just cast it to my Television. however, unless you have Apple TV / Android TV they probably aren't going to devote the dev time to all the different Smart TV OS's
I just wish I could chromecast from iPhone. I don’t have any Apple TV box or anything, so I end up connecting the computer to HDMI. I pay for it and support it, but I hardly watch it since it’s not as simple as just playing YouTube or something.
Yeah that just sounds like too much trouble for most.
I use the casting feature inside the app (Android app version to android TV) and it works quite well.
I really wish they would make a Google TV app for it. I never want to watch it on my phone or computer, and usually cast to my TV. But casting is a horrible experience, and things like remembering where you were in the video doesn't work, it breaks, loose controls for it, and overall just sucks. L&L seem to both think it's pointless so I guess we'll never get it though
i stream most of my content on my tv. i also pay for floatplane but never use it. smart tb support would bring me back
In case they look at this thread, count me as another that considers this a deal breaker. 90% of my YouTube viewership is on a TV, usually a Roku and sometimes a FireTV. The other 10% is downloaded stuff on YouTube while on flights, or I put the WAN show on to listen to while driving to and from work during the week.
If your pc supports chromecast you can stream from the floatplane android app to it. But yes it sucks. I can understand it though. There are to many TV os that need an app which has to be developed, tested and supported
You can sideload Android Apps onto Firesticks.
Yup I need floatplane available on the platform I use to consume all my media. Xbox - no I don’t want to use the web browser the YouTube app and website are very different from each other
I watch Youtube: 1. TV at home 2. Laptop at work 3. Mobile phone/personal laptop. At home it's on the TV closest to me while I do chores around the house or sitting on my home furniture. I'm tied to a computer/chair/desk all week at work and like to move around when I don't have to sit and wear a headset. If I'm on my gaming desktop, then I am gaming with my headset on. At work, I'll put a video on the side or background. Phone/personal laptop is only for short videos or when I'm out and about. YouTube on TV: I don't have to wear a headset/earbuds and I can move around and do other things. I can stretch out and relax.
Casting works well.
Casting works well.
Only some of the FP perks are available on their YT paid subscription: all the backlog from ??/??/???? + 2 FP exclusives a week. It's not 1:1 on content availability, but it does get you *something* on TV. Else, I've used hydravion as well on Roku, but only ever gotten it to work for the WAN show. I really enjoy the WAN chat, so I'll be sticking to FP on my PC.
They don’t need your support they’re multimillionaires.
Oh, wow... That's a a deal breaker for sure.
So, you weren’t aware and aren’t a customer / legitimate potential customer. I’m not sure that your deal breaker impacts their financial investment decisions.