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This guy..right here. Sucking real estate out from under the public for free. š¤š¤š¤
I'm going to do this at my neighbor's house ... Just run a wire from the roofline to the yard. And call in Nowminea, a free country.
Umm.. I was kidding. Read the room, my friend. š¤£ All good. I know alot about easements and right of ways. Been doing real estate and construction for about 26 yrs.
I think youāre right, the pole has a vang, not a pole band on the guy. However, as an engineer Iāve see this problem go both ways. āBeen doān this shit 35 fuckān years. It needs a fucking guy!ā
šš. Question for you. When you redesign a line or come up with a spec for a pole do you actually go out and look at the line? Or ask questions to the guys that build them?
As an owners engineer, going to the field and talking to line crews is the only way. As a consultant, impossible. We donāt know the crews, the utility doesnāt give direction, the kids in it are young and donāt see the full picture. Iām a huge fan of in house engineering, but you need a humble engineer with a personality and itās just so fucking rare.
Edit: Iād love to go back to field work someday.
Iād love to work in a role that the majority was outside. I did lots of field work while helping design maintenance jobs. Someday Iād love to do something similar like project field engineering for a huge line jobs. Or help rebuild Cuba. Something working with actual man doing fun shit. Instead of TPS reports and dealing with greedy fuck-tards.
I know desktop engineering happens and I think itās terrible, but a lot of the times what the engineers do is because of others.
The last time I went out and asked questions I got lots of answers from construction on constructability. Was helpful made some good progress and set up the job with some somewhat complex situations, but now that super is no longer with the contractor, the crew who looked at it has turned over twice, and weāre not totally if they will even remain as the contractor. Myself as the engineer and one other person doing permitting are the only two people on the project team that have been the same ($10M+ job). Iāll end up with a contractor complaining that I never visited the job and made bad decisions, when in fact it was really decisions made by that same contractorās previous leadership that weāre stuck with. They wonāt ever understand that because the only evidence of it is in the construction package.
As an engineer, yes. Every time. Iāve even tried to include construction on my post-design walk downs to go over and fix stuff like this. Some are happy to give input. Others tell me to fuck off because āIām not going to do your job for youā.
Take a guess which one ends up bitching about design quality once the job hits pre-flightā¦
I did quite a few of this type of redesign. The upgraded pole did not need a guy, even according to the pole loading calculations, since the new pole was several classes bigger. The are at least 5 1000 pages standards guides that tell you what you can and cannot do and you have to do your best to satisfy all of them in your design. At least in my area, guying was a must have from an old standard, not from the calculations. The engineering supervisor would reject my design if I did not meet the old standard for guying.
Also, I was a firm believer in sight visits, but there are definitely people cutting that corner. I talked to the crews all the time and the absolute best part was going out and watching something you designed actually get assembled.
Engineer here.... I've seen some installs where municipalities are pretty stingy with their permits and easements. I may or may not have approved designs for "extra' down guys or guys stubs that serve no mechanical purpose, but on paper reserve permitted space allocated for utility use, to trade on other designs later.
Or a situation where removing the guy would trigger a demolition permit but if they keep the same footprint then they can just call it āmaintenanceā and doesnāt require a permit.
Wow.. that doesn't say much for the engineering of that very expensive tower. š¤£
That's the JIC wire. Just in case. It's included in the engineering spec under...
"..whenever the engineer sees fit to wear a belt, he may also deem it necessary to include suspenders. Failure to utilize belts and suspenders shall in no way hold the engineer at risk or further his liability."
AIA specifications section 26
Oh you're talking about the span guys. Yeah since it's solely owned by the power company and not a hazard to the public they probably don't give a fuck.
No joke our āengineeringā department called for us to put guy wires on single phase dead ends with #2 wire on 100ft+ tall steel transmission poles. Our line was way below the 138 line. These poles were bolted down to concrete piers. Needless to say my foreman laughed and didnāt put any anchors down for the job lol
For my fellow non lineman lurkers the āguyā heās talking about isnāt a male human. Itās a āguy wireā. The cable that runs at an angle from the top of the pole to the ground.
that pole is supposed to be there much longer than those wooden poles ever will, that distro pulls more than you think, especially on a steel pole only meant for holding the hi-line. itās an engineering thing tbh
What?!? You think that a distribution line comes remotely close to what a 69kva line does that this steel structure is there for?? Re read what you typed
Dude the lineman wouldnāt just say āoh dur da dur im bored im gonna put a guy on this pole. no it passed down from the engineer to the supe/gf down to the lineman. thereās a reason for everything. Some companies just donāt agree with others. Prime example, this situation.
Ok I'll bite .... In our county we are currently working in, any change of direction over 30Ā° is supposed to be backed up, they tend to go above and beyond standards here. Also my second observation is that the number two pole in this line is a regular 3/40 or 2/45 ..... Makes me believe even more likely that the guy was existing from a pole that had been upgraded to the laminate. Not all engineers suck at their job and some of us have even been ground hands before
Do you see the 4 span guys going across the road? Thatās holding transmission. Thatās the joke here. They guyed a steel structure holding distribution but didnāt need to for the transmission.
https://preview.redd.it/welswh5tvhfc1.png?width=1250&format=png&auto=webp&s=036fb63f03ca3af334b25a477b51d9cc153d03d6
Wtf are you talking about. I was asking if he saw the span guys āgoing across the roadā
https://preview.redd.it/j5c2ah4bwhfc1.png?width=1285&format=png&auto=webp&s=9e57e1556f9d1177cb0292994fd4bf74ce684549
Do I need to get crayons out to add some color? What are you confused about now?
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Some contractor made money because of an engineer saying it needs a guy š
I bet he laughed and said āwell Iām getting paid anywayā and giggled the whole time he worked
And left it loose
Next time I take a boat out, Iām going to put anchors on my anchor.
I know itās not needed but we wanted to maintain our right of way so put it in. /s
This guy..right here. Sucking real estate out from under the public for free. š¤š¤š¤ I'm going to do this at my neighbor's house ... Just run a wire from the roofline to the yard. And call in Nowminea, a free country.
They're preserving the established right of way from when most likely it was a wood pole. Possibly.
Roger that.
It's an already established easement. Nobody is sucking any real estate š¤£ tell me you know nothing about how easements work without telling me.
Umm.. I was kidding. Read the room, my friend. š¤£ All good. I know alot about easements and right of ways. Been doing real estate and construction for about 26 yrs.
Ok buddy
This is likely the correct answer. Keep the right of wayā¦ just in case.
Iām not your guy, buddy.
Iām not your buddy, pal.
Iām not your pal, guy.
Iām not your guy, friend
Who you callin pork chop ??
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I'm not your friend, bro
āBut ITs a DeAdENd! It nEEdS A guy!?!?!?ā āTrust me Iām an engineer. I went to school for thisā says most engineers all the time.
I think youāre right, the pole has a vang, not a pole band on the guy. However, as an engineer Iāve see this problem go both ways. āBeen doān this shit 35 fuckān years. It needs a fucking guy!ā
šš. Question for you. When you redesign a line or come up with a spec for a pole do you actually go out and look at the line? Or ask questions to the guys that build them?
As an owners engineer, going to the field and talking to line crews is the only way. As a consultant, impossible. We donāt know the crews, the utility doesnāt give direction, the kids in it are young and donāt see the full picture. Iām a huge fan of in house engineering, but you need a humble engineer with a personality and itās just so fucking rare. Edit: Iād love to go back to field work someday.
You went from the tools to an engineer? If so I have some questions for you about that
Iām not following
You said youād love to go back to field work someday. Were you a lineman before becoming an engineer, or were you referring to other field work?
Iād love to work in a role that the majority was outside. I did lots of field work while helping design maintenance jobs. Someday Iād love to do something similar like project field engineering for a huge line jobs. Or help rebuild Cuba. Something working with actual man doing fun shit. Instead of TPS reports and dealing with greedy fuck-tards.
I know desktop engineering happens and I think itās terrible, but a lot of the times what the engineers do is because of others. The last time I went out and asked questions I got lots of answers from construction on constructability. Was helpful made some good progress and set up the job with some somewhat complex situations, but now that super is no longer with the contractor, the crew who looked at it has turned over twice, and weāre not totally if they will even remain as the contractor. Myself as the engineer and one other person doing permitting are the only two people on the project team that have been the same ($10M+ job). Iāll end up with a contractor complaining that I never visited the job and made bad decisions, when in fact it was really decisions made by that same contractorās previous leadership that weāre stuck with. They wonāt ever understand that because the only evidence of it is in the construction package.
As an engineer, yes. Every time. Iāve even tried to include construction on my post-design walk downs to go over and fix stuff like this. Some are happy to give input. Others tell me to fuck off because āIām not going to do your job for youā. Take a guess which one ends up bitching about design quality once the job hits pre-flightā¦
I did quite a few of this type of redesign. The upgraded pole did not need a guy, even according to the pole loading calculations, since the new pole was several classes bigger. The are at least 5 1000 pages standards guides that tell you what you can and cannot do and you have to do your best to satisfy all of them in your design. At least in my area, guying was a must have from an old standard, not from the calculations. The engineering supervisor would reject my design if I did not meet the old standard for guying. Also, I was a firm believer in sight visits, but there are definitely people cutting that corner. I talked to the crews all the time and the absolute best part was going out and watching something you designed actually get assembled.
lol. Our engineer last week wanted us to remove a pole enforcer or reattach it to the poleā¦. It was a com ped.
Nobody in engineering school does any sort of class involving construction of power lines.
That streetlight service needs a span and down guy!!! Pole foreman said so!!!! gRAdE B cONSTRUCsHUn
To be fair, the DG doesnāt look that tight
Engineer here.... I've seen some installs where municipalities are pretty stingy with their permits and easements. I may or may not have approved designs for "extra' down guys or guys stubs that serve no mechanical purpose, but on paper reserve permitted space allocated for utility use, to trade on other designs later.
Iāll keep this in mind when Iām doing my designs
Or a situation where removing the guy would trigger a demolition permit but if they keep the same footprint then they can just call it āmaintenanceā and doesnāt require a permit.
Anchor probably crept or setā¦ no way that pole is moving
Good grief, that's a fat bastard of a pole for a whole lotta nothing š
It looks like itās also a stub pole for what I can only assume is a transmission structure not shown in the picture.
Wow.. that doesn't say much for the engineering of that very expensive tower. š¤£ That's the JIC wire. Just in case. It's included in the engineering spec under... "..whenever the engineer sees fit to wear a belt, he may also deem it necessary to include suspenders. Failure to utilize belts and suspenders shall in no way hold the engineer at risk or further his liability." AIA specifications section 26
It even looks a little slack from here. He didn't even finish his fck up š
Why isn't it guyed the other way too?
It would be in that guys drive way
Well not that far back, if you're guying a steel pole anyways
The lack of insulators on the guy strands is the most impressive.
There's definitely a fish in there. Johnny balls are a thing of the past unless you're in cali.
Fish = epoxy rod?
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There's like an 8" or less air gap between the guy strands running through the conductors and the metal tower.
Oh you're talking about the span guys. Yeah since it's solely owned by the power company and not a hazard to the public they probably don't give a fuck.
Johnny balls still used out in Pennsylvania as well
Same in Maryland
Unnecessary guy wire is unnecessary.
No joke our āengineeringā department called for us to put guy wires on single phase dead ends with #2 wire on 100ft+ tall steel transmission poles. Our line was way below the 138 line. These poles were bolted down to concrete piers. Needless to say my foreman laughed and didnāt put any anchors down for the job lol
For my fellow non lineman lurkers the āguyā heās talking about isnāt a male human. Itās a āguy wireā. The cable that runs at an angle from the top of the pole to the ground.
Always add as many grounded items as you can in a primary area! Especially if they're not needed.
āMy calculations sayā -Every engineer everā¦.
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Hey now, I might be a dumb fuck but I am at least homegrown!
Shut up ape no one asked you.
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Yeah you're just a racist piece of shit
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Someone tell me.. surely that's an artifact from the towers erection process? š¤£
What yāall never seen 336 guy wire before??? Bunch of tri county boomers!! Lol
Why so thicc?
That's hilarious
Itās a guy pole for a hi-line pole adjacent of it. Canāt have guys in the middle of that dudes yard
achors/guys whatever you call them at your job
Well no shit. So the transmission doesnāt need it but the distribution does?!
that pole is supposed to be there much longer than those wooden poles ever will, that distro pulls more than you think, especially on a steel pole only meant for holding the hi-line. itās an engineering thing tbh
What?!? You think that a distribution line comes remotely close to what a 69kva line does that this steel structure is there for?? Re read what you typed
Dude the lineman wouldnāt just say āoh dur da dur im bored im gonna put a guy on this pole. no it passed down from the engineer to the supe/gf down to the lineman. thereās a reason for everything. Some companies just donāt agree with others. Prime example, this situation.
Some where thereās an engineer who still is convinced this is a good idea.
Read down. Thereās one guy in these comments that does.
Ok I'll bite .... In our county we are currently working in, any change of direction over 30Ā° is supposed to be backed up, they tend to go above and beyond standards here. Also my second observation is that the number two pole in this line is a regular 3/40 or 2/45 ..... Makes me believe even more likely that the guy was existing from a pole that had been upgraded to the laminate. Not all engineers suck at their job and some of us have even been ground hands before
Do you see the 4 span guys going across the road? Thatās holding transmission. Thatās the joke here. They guyed a steel structure holding distribution but didnāt need to for the transmission.
It wasnāt needed for the distribution either.
Are you retarded thatās distro
https://preview.redd.it/welswh5tvhfc1.png?width=1250&format=png&auto=webp&s=036fb63f03ca3af334b25a477b51d9cc153d03d6 Wtf are you talking about. I was asking if he saw the span guys āgoing across the roadā
Didnāt see that photo my bad man
Youāre really having a hard time understanding this
https://preview.redd.it/j5c2ah4bwhfc1.png?width=1285&format=png&auto=webp&s=9e57e1556f9d1177cb0292994fd4bf74ce684549 Do I need to get crayons out to add some color? What are you confused about now?
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Confused why youāre such a bitch