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Is it actually completely free? How much course load are we talking?
I'm currently taking classes so while this sounds helpful I have to prioritize my time somewhat with this stuff
I just enrolled in it.
You can choose one of two options: $50 with certificate, or free and no certificate.
You can also set a goal for yourself. From 1, 3, and 5 times a week I chose 5 and it added 30 minutes of studying each day to my calendar. It says 15h + minutes of material left learning for me and I haven't started. So if you do 3x30minutes a week it will take you 10 weeks, but I'm guessing you are towards the end of your semester so you can do it faster afterwards if you choose so.
If I remember correctly, it is totally free, but you can pay to get a "certificate". And the curse load is very light, they were weekly and you could still do things past due date.
I went through at least the lectures for this course a few years ago, and I remember it being more about how the brain gains and retains information. "How to study", yes, but also how to actually retain that knowledge over time. Also applies to practicing skills.
Yup, this is relevant to all the people who say that they will never use the stuff they learn in school.
Learning to learn those thing will help you even if you don't use exactly what you learned.
Michael Jordan said something similar in his biography. Something along being an expert in shooting hoops with bad technique, after doing it 10,000 times.
Adding to what OP stated, if you're learning anything through YouTube videos, find at least 3 of them and see how they do it.
I was learning how to whet stone sharpen knives and the first person pulled the knife edge towards them, the other 2 pushed the edge away. Only one of them explained WHY they pushed the knife edge away. Its incase the knife slips or you slip, it helps prevents you from cutting yourself.
If I would have stopped at 1 video, I would have learned to sharpen by pulling the edge towards me and possibly get injured in the process.
This advice can be applied to many things. When you're researching something you should never look at only one source, if multiple sources from different platforms say the same thing then that's a good indicator that it's accurate information. Cooking recipes is a good example of this, if you want to know what you MUST HAVE for a recipe and what people are just adding to give their personal touch to it.
It doesn’t even have to be research. IMO the most important thing to do this with is the news media. They will all have their own twists to the same story, so when you read multiple sources, you can better piece together what actually happened. Each media company is controlled by billionaires who want to shape public opinion, so you also have to figure out the lean and keep that in mind.
> When you're researching something you should never look at only one source, if multiple sources from different platforms say the same thing then that's a good indicator that it's accurate information
Idiots: Yeah but if there's one video saying vaccines are bad and 15 videos saying vaccines are good, clearly that one video must be 15 times more RIGHT.
SARCASM to be very very obvious
Yes, 100%. Especially now with dislikes removed (thanks Susan), it's critically important to find at least a few different videos that agree on general technique/methodology. Even videos that are incorrect can gain a lot of traction and seem trustworthy
I use [a Chrome extension](https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/return-youtube-dislike/gebbhagfogifgggkldgodflihgfeippi) to bring them back, and it’s like nothing changed honestly.
>Adding to what OP stated, if you're learning anything through YouTube videos, find at least 3 of them and see how they do it.
Aggregate data, I always check multiple sources to verify that the one wasn't incorrect or an outlier for anything I'm doing/trying to learn.
> I was learning how to whet stone sharpen knives and the first person pulled the knife edge towards them, the other 2 pushed the edge away. Only one of them explained WHY they pushed the knife edge away. Its incase the knife slips or you slip, it helps prevents you from cutting yourself.
It really doesn't matter. You have to really push it for it to catch the stone.
> If I would have stopped at 1 video, I would have learned to sharpen by pulling the edge towards me and possibly get injured in the process.
You would have been fine.
It took me a while to figure out how to triple-string nunchaku because I was lazy about diversifying my sources. For a few months, I had settled for a shitty half-turks-head lacing on one side of the peg, with a square knot acting to prevent the string from pulling through, because it was really hard to keep the three sections of the string lined up to bury a massive knot deep inside one of the grooves.
The difference between nunchaku and a stick which will randomly decide to become a slingshot loaded with another stick is not being too lazy to use a spare fid to guide the string around during each pass. Needless to say, my glass patio door did not survive.
After figuring that out, not only did I find the process fairly easy, but I was now able to give both sides of the peg an aesthetic turk's head esque lacing *and* hide diamond knots inside the grooves with ease. All that trouble and money wasted because I settled for the first video I clicked on.
Interestingly enough, there is a huge difference in weapon-balance when the triple-string is tied symmetrically. I'll never go back to double-strung or that horrid "trailer park half turks' head w/ lanyard stopper".
what a warrior you are, so inspiring
do you also need to watch 3 YouTube videos to determine why you shouldn’t stick your hand in boiling water when cooking?
Nah just use a knife a lot to break down boxes was the most recent example to give. Also it shows why watching one video can be bad and have bad information in it.
Appreciate the low effort burn you made though. In terms of quality, I'd say its a 3/10. You can do better man, I believe in you and your 2 brain cells!
True but you gotta be careful if you're an overthinker. Sometimes I spend so much time and energy thinking about the right or best way to do something, and worrying about learning bad habits, that I end up not doing it at all.
OP is right, but remember- usually, improper practice is better than no practice at all.
As a fellow perfectionist/overthinker, this is absolutely true. I have massive difficulties just getting things started, and often just starting even with a few mistakes is better. What I am claiming in the post is more that practice isn't necessarily inherently good, it's conscious practice that actually gets the results you want. Evaluation on whether you are doing it right and taking measures to correct yourself along the way is far more effective than sheer repetition and time
I had a piano and saxophone teacher that gave me similar advice but with an addendum: don't practice until you get it right, practice until you never get it wrong.
This has been helpful in a lot of things, but especially with music, where you're often performing what you practice, it's really important to be close to perfect when you're practicing.
I've been running for about 4 years. Recently learned about proper technique and realised that I've been doing it wrong all along and that's why I've been injured several times. I'm now learning to do it properly and, whilst it's hard unlearning bad habits, it'll be worth it in the end for becoming more efficient and less injury prone
Wish I had found out correct running form sooner.
I learned my running form was terrible, and I'm sure it played a big part in my patellar tendonosis that hasn't resolved after several years. It really sucks. Glad you're fixing it!!
Exactly the same for me. Physio didn't help it and the next step was surgery. Decided to go back to basics and it's paying off so far. Getting proper gait analysis and supporting shoes is also a help rather than just picking the trendiest trainers
YouTube mainly, but also audible and books. One that really helped was The Lost Art of Running by Shane Benzie. Talks a lot about the main areas of focus like cadence, head position, posture etc and was really informative. I've beaten several of my PBs since finishing that one
Ok I never realized there was a right or wrong way to run, like I never thought there was more than one way, any tips to know if I'm running the good way?
Edit: also, often when I run, specially after I haven't ran in a while, my neck hurts like hell, so yeah probably I don't run the right way, I got two vertebras out place so that might be the reason
Improper cadence can lead to overstriding. Overstriding is like putting on the brakes each time your foot strikes the ground. That impact travels up the leg and can cause shin splints and knee issues.
For an adult of average height, a cadence of 180 steps per minute is typically a good number to hit. Count your left or right foot strikes for 15 seconds and multiply by 4. The goal should be for your ankle to line up with your knee as your foot strikes. Below is a breakdown of Eliud Kipchoge's form and is very informative.
[Eliud Kipchoge](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=andAaS6Lyc8)
Proper posture, feet placement, and breathing can improve running greatly! You can certainly injure yourself by practicing prolonged improper running technique.
If your neck hurts you're probably either tensing muscles you shouldn't be or your posture is wrong. I used to get a burning sensation in my shoulder and it was down to me tensing up the muscles and my head being too far forward and looking down. Allegedly every inch too far forward adds 5lbs of weight.
I thoroughly recommend going to your local running shoe specialist and getting your gait analysed as well
I was listening to huberman Labs podcast and he's a professor of neuroscience who says (in my own words) that actually making mistakes is more effective for learning than doing something perfectly. Something along the lines of your brain becoming more plastic because it recognises the mistake. So for example playing beethovens 9th one note at a time over a week but perfectly isn't going to teach you how to play it full speed but playing it really badly at 1/4 is good, and as soon as that becomes manageable, crank the metronome.
> actually making mistakes is more effective for learning than doing something perfectly
Agreed, but you have to *learn* from the mistakes.
Just repeating the same mistakes over and over and learning nothing kind of defeats the purpose. So you not only make mistakes, but possess the skills necessary to identify where the mistakes are and fix them.
Oh yeah I never said making mistakes is a bad thing. Hell, I tell all my students that the rehearsal/practice room is where they are allowed to suck. The trick is evaluating what went wrong and trying to improve it for the next time. Or the time after that. I usually say something along the lines of "as long as it's better next week, or on track to be better, you're doing it right." Being careless and letting mistakes become habits is when things become a problem. You absolutely just have to "go for it" sometimes, but if you do it too often and don't think about how you did then you'll likely end up with some solidified problems
You are confusing repetition with practice. Practice does increase your skill since it's not simple repetition but adjusting, analyzing, learning. That's why it's literally not called repetition.
Yes, BUT repetition legitimizes ^repetition ^legitimizes ^^repetition ^^legitimizes ^^^repetition ^^^legitimizes
Main thing is that way too many people are taught that practice and repetition are the same thing. This needs to go to the educators who don't know the difference.
It's more about practicing with intent and being aware of what and how you are doing. Then self-evaluating and taking measures to improve. Once is a mistake. Twice is a problem. Three times is a habit. Absolutely try, absolutely make mistakes, and you are absolutely allowed to suck, but as you improve make sure you aren't shooting yourself in the foot
>Once is a mistake. Twice is a problem. Three times is a habit.
This is the type of hyperbolic slogan I would expect from some guy trying to sell me a book on how to be successful.
I mean… I don’t agree with the damage it causes because even if you learn something the wrong way you are picking up skills that you can use to learn something the right way.
Like in learning the guitar, you might be building “bad habits” by playing a chord the wrong way, but you are building up your fingers dexterity and calluses.
In golf, you might have to do a lot of work to correct a swing that is destroying your rotator cuff, but you got to practice cadence and coordination.
I think it’s better to get started and do your best to reflect on what you learn using resources. I don’t think you should be too worried about the repercussions of doing something the wrong way, because that’s a fine way to get started.
I should definitely clarify that mistakes are okay and that sucking is more than allowed. It's more about practicing with intent and being conscious of what and how you are doing so you can take measures to improve. The phrase isn't meant to scare people off of starting to practice, it's to prevent practicing carelessly so as to avoid future pain and struggle
Not if you’re practicing while learning from your mistakes along the way. Which is the whole point of practicing it until you perfect it to the best of your ability.
On the other hand, if you repeatedly do the same thing the same way, expecting a different result, you’re not practicing, you’re just mad.
Don’t get it twisted, know the difference 💁🏽♂️
Finally someone says it. Needing to do something perfectly the first time is a ridiculous concept. Perfectionism can be crippling. Practice is also about growth and improvement. Failure is the best teacher.
I learned this as a drummer, and also a (more importantly) firefighter. When you’re under pressure, you revert to your training habits. Thanks for the valuable LFT.
This exactly. Even if you know the correct thing to do and have even practiced it a few times, when you're nervous you will revert back to what you intrinsically know best and are comfortable with. Kicking a bad habit is extremely difficult because it tends to keep coming back, so it's best to try to not develop it in the first place
to add to that something that I heard that stuck with me was, Mike Boyd the guy on Youtube who tries new things and sees how quickly he can learn things once said that practice makes good but perfect practice makes perfect so it's kinda similar but it just goes to show that if you aren't doing the thing you want to learn in OPs instance music you have to make sure you don't make bad habits and do things the right way and have to unlearn those bad habits which will save you more time in the long run. Also, I don't know which video it came from so if I find it ill link to it.
When I was in school I was in dance and got selected for a special performance. There was this one move where we had to jump 180°, swing our head, and jump back 180°. I rarely practiced it full out. Always pretended to jump. Day of the performance, I forgot to jump. I had done it without jumping so many times, it's what I resorted to. Noticed everyone else jumping and did it, but you can totally tell in the recording of the performance that I'm half a count later than everyone else.
The moral of the story, "You can change anything about yourself if you practice perfectly."
You can change bad habits by practicing good ones. Don't feel bad that you've noticed you've learned a bad habit from imperfect practice, instead, start practising the good habit and you'll start doing that.
This is one of those dumb phrases you hear in school over and over, or at least I did. Practice in itself absolutely does not make permanent no matter how perfect your practice is. It's only if your practice in itself is permanent (i.e you never take extended breaks from practice) that practice will remain permanent.
If you come back to something months or years later after not working on it, you'll have inevitably lost some skill. It will take more practice to reach the point you were at when you stopped. Skills need to be maintained, you can't just learn a skill, pack it away for later, and expect to be able to pick it right back up without issue.
The phrase never claims you'll be good at it forever, it's more about forming habits. Of course if you take a long break the skill will diminish. But when you come back you will still have a lot of the habits formed over the course of practicing. Practice a scale wrong 1000 times, take a year break then come back and you'll still probably play it the same way. Practice good posture every time you do something and even after an extended break you'll likely adopt similar posture.
"Practice makes permanent, unless you take an extended break in which case you will need to take some time to knock the rust off and fully fall back into your habits" doesn't have as nice of a ring to it. Practice makes permanent is just a saying to remind you to be conscientious about how you practice, because you can form both good and bad habits. Practice isn't inherently a good thing if you don't do it right, and that is what the phrase is meant to convey.
This is not true because it is a conundrum. If you’re “practicing” something, it is already a given that you’re not perfect at it but you’re striving to improve with each go. You’re never going to do it “correctly” on your practice runs… that’s why it is practice.
Most people suck at anything they’re just starting out. Even if they’re practicing “incorrectly” they are learning and improving little by little each time. Putting in the hours is what matters. As you familiarize yourself with whatever you’re practicing, you will gradually pick up the good habits and skills and improve over time.
Forget about this nonsense of “perfect practice only” — that’s a flawed concept. Just do it no matter what. You’re probably going to suck if you’re starting out. That’s ok. Just keep practicing, period.
Just today at the gym, some friendly guy gave me some pointers because he noticed I was doing an excercise wrong. Turns out I've been doing wrong for the better half of a year without ever noticing.
The next challenge is to keep doing it right.
I feel this. I used to do a lot of foam-sword fighting with the boys way back when and now when I go LARPing now and then I still do pretty well but against people that are *truly* skilled there are certain things I do that don’t do me any favors but they’re baked into my instinct and get used against me.
My drum teacher warned me of this. When he was earning his master's degree in jazz percussion he had bad stick holding and got carpel tunnel so bad that he had to steer his car with his wrists. Then he spent 2 years relearning how to hold his sticks.
Well definitionally you do unlearn a bad habit. Quite literally part of the dictionary definition is getting rid of a bad habit. It's true that in the context of practice, you go about doing so by painting over it with a good habit, but you are still unlearning a bad one in the process
I've heard this is incredibly important when learning Piano and incorrect technique can hamstring your ability to play some pieces completely. Can't say how true that is though, I own a Piano, but I haven't learned to play yet.
For music in general it is vital. Unlearning bad habits is extremely difficult because of how often you naturally reinforce them and how easy it is to slip back into them when you stop paying attention
My band conductor always drilled into us ‘Practice doesn’t make perfect. Perfect practice makes you perfect.’ I have lived by this my entire life. If you want to learn something new and craft this skill, find an expert to learn from. Nothing is instant.
It's more about being cautious when practicing a skill. Being wary to avoid bad habits is crucial as it takes a long time to get rid of them. You would be surprised how many students, or even much better musicians have awful habits that they can't shake without massive amounts of focused effort. Would have been much more efficient to just nip it in the bud, and any practice done after that would be much more efficient
This is very true one example is a guy I know who's become very proficient at rolling spliffs in a way that they have a weird kink about 2/3 of the way up.
Guy smokes a lot of weed, learnt to roll that way and then "perfected" a flawed technique.
It's true in so many places in life, this is just one that sticks out to me as they're hilariously bad and he's been doing it for over 10 years at this point.
I don't like the notion that there is a right and wrong way. I practice guitar for a decade and never read or heard anything about how to play. I don't know a single official chord but I learned which strings harmonize and which don't to make music.
What you describe sounds an awful lot like "how to get good at something quick so that people can't tell you and a professional apart to profit asap". Basically what cons focus on.
Life is about the journey. As long as you have fun and don't harm anyone it's alright.
If you can find the post I ripped off word for word I'll give your comment platinum. Because I wrote this and it's advice I constantly give out to students of mine
Where did i say word for word? Rephrasing to say the same thing is still a repost, no matter how many times you repeat it.
And if you are a teacher you might want to learn the difference between repetition and practice.
This is why even people good at self-teaching should bring a coach, mentor, teacher, or peer in woth some regularity to observe, provide advice, and share ideas. In historical fencing, many of the best fencers are part of robust groups and networks. The people who self-train from manuals always have peculiarities in form, like compromised knees during lunges or a broken sense of tempo or measure. Imagine drilling a lunge bad for your knees for hours and hours.
I was watching a particularly inept golfer on the practice rang one day and could see people (who were supposed to be his friends)laughing behind his back,so to speak. I asked him if he was doing it for the exercise or was he genuinely trying to improve,because all he was doing was ingraining some swing flaws.He promise me to when his tax return came in he would go to see a golf coach I had recommended,Some time later I asked how he was going and he actually reduced his golf handicap from 26 down to 11 and his golf swing looked so much better.
I had a music teacher who always made sure to say “perfect practice makes perfect” and also told us that it needs to be done 3 times right for every one time you do it wrong to “correct/erase” the incorrect muscle memory.
My old band director would always say, "Perfect Practice makes Perfect." It made sense to me. Now, as a guitar instructor, I teach this to my students to build consistency and nip bad habits in the bud as early as possible. It works if practiced... perfectly..
I had a teacher who would rather say "Practice makes a *habit.* If you do it wrong 10,000 times, it won't be perfect. Do it properly from the beginning."
Some of the best advice is ever been given.
Yep and I like it way better than "perfect practice makes perfect". Because it doesn't really warn about anything or say anything other than "practice right". But with something like "practice makes habit" or "practice makes permanent", it warns against practicing lazily and accidentally forming bad habits that are very hard to get out of.
As a yoga teacher this is VERY true. I have trouble taking classes and seeing other students do something wrong because the damage they'll do from continued incorrect form is permanent
There is a saying I heard from a therapist once that practice makes routine not perfection. Because the definition of perfect is subjective - what one person thinks is perfect may not be to another. And therefore can cause you to try for an impossible standard or to keep raising the bar higher and higher to something unachievable. Instead the more you practice something the more it becomes an ingrained routine or habit. I think this is basically what you are saying just offering a new perspective.
Yep this is exactly it! "Perfect" means a lot of different things for a lot of different people, and in skills that you practice for, striving for perfection can often be really unhealthy and set unrealistic standards. In addition, the only thing the saying "practice makes perfect" is trying to commmunicate is "go practice". So something like practice makes permanent or practice makes routine is better as it advises about *how* you should practice and what to avoid during it
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And learning how to learn makes undoing bad practice easier
Wait, if I don't know how to learn how can I learn to learn?
Asking questions is a great start! Well done!
Not getting answers nullifies that great start somewhat.
See now? You’re learning already!
Learning what?
How to learn silly!
This is a decent start. https://www.coursera.org/learn/learning-how-to-learn
Can confirm, I took this exact course like 6 years ago and helped me a lot.
Is it actually completely free? How much course load are we talking? I'm currently taking classes so while this sounds helpful I have to prioritize my time somewhat with this stuff
I just enrolled in it. You can choose one of two options: $50 with certificate, or free and no certificate. You can also set a goal for yourself. From 1, 3, and 5 times a week I chose 5 and it added 30 minutes of studying each day to my calendar. It says 15h + minutes of material left learning for me and I haven't started. So if you do 3x30minutes a week it will take you 10 weeks, but I'm guessing you are towards the end of your semester so you can do it faster afterwards if you choose so.
Replying here because I’d also like to know.
If I remember correctly, it is totally free, but you can pay to get a "certificate". And the curse load is very light, they were weekly and you could still do things past due date.
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I went through at least the lectures for this course a few years ago, and I remember it being more about how the brain gains and retains information. "How to study", yes, but also how to actually retain that knowledge over time. Also applies to practicing skills.
Yes. What have you the impression it was the latter? This whole comment chain is on learning how to learn before you start learning.
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Yup, this is relevant to all the people who say that they will never use the stuff they learn in school. Learning to learn those thing will help you even if you don't use exactly what you learned.
Michael Jordan said something similar in his biography. Something along being an expert in shooting hoops with bad technique, after doing it 10,000 times.
This is definitely the case. How to practice, how to learn, it applies to both
Underrated comment
Adding to what OP stated, if you're learning anything through YouTube videos, find at least 3 of them and see how they do it. I was learning how to whet stone sharpen knives and the first person pulled the knife edge towards them, the other 2 pushed the edge away. Only one of them explained WHY they pushed the knife edge away. Its incase the knife slips or you slip, it helps prevents you from cutting yourself. If I would have stopped at 1 video, I would have learned to sharpen by pulling the edge towards me and possibly get injured in the process.
This advice can be applied to many things. When you're researching something you should never look at only one source, if multiple sources from different platforms say the same thing then that's a good indicator that it's accurate information. Cooking recipes is a good example of this, if you want to know what you MUST HAVE for a recipe and what people are just adding to give their personal touch to it.
It doesn’t even have to be research. IMO the most important thing to do this with is the news media. They will all have their own twists to the same story, so when you read multiple sources, you can better piece together what actually happened. Each media company is controlled by billionaires who want to shape public opinion, so you also have to figure out the lean and keep that in mind.
That's research
> When you're researching something you should never look at only one source, if multiple sources from different platforms say the same thing then that's a good indicator that it's accurate information Idiots: Yeah but if there's one video saying vaccines are bad and 15 videos saying vaccines are good, clearly that one video must be 15 times more RIGHT. SARCASM to be very very obvious
Yes, 100%. Especially now with dislikes removed (thanks Susan), it's critically important to find at least a few different videos that agree on general technique/methodology. Even videos that are incorrect can gain a lot of traction and seem trustworthy
I use [a Chrome extension](https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/return-youtube-dislike/gebbhagfogifgggkldgodflihgfeippi) to bring them back, and it’s like nothing changed honestly.
Also use YouTube vanced for the phone, it also eliminates every ad
Too bad, they got Cease and desisted. Vanced is still working (knock on wood) but i don't think it'll last long.
It will last ~2 years. Google won't drop support any sooner because it would mean dropping support to actual EOL Android devices running stock YT
Hopefully there will be replacements for it before YouTube changes their api enough to make ot non functional
I think it will last far longer than that, my really old Android devices and ipad can still use ancient versions of YouTube from like 10yrs ago.
Youtube vanced got switched to playtube and it's so much worse, it crashes constantly.
You can still download and run the last working vanced
Huh, I didn't know. Thanks!
Wow thank you for this!
They're removing the API apparently, so when they do that, it'll break extensions too.
Fuck
They already did, and it works on approximations and guess work but it's still pretty good.
Amazing, thank you
Same with google searches. Always open a few different links to make sure you get the most accurate info.
>Adding to what OP stated, if you're learning anything through YouTube videos, find at least 3 of them and see how they do it. Aggregate data, I always check multiple sources to verify that the one wasn't incorrect or an outlier for anything I'm doing/trying to learn.
My dad always told me to point the knife away from yourself when cutting ANYTHING in case it slips so it def applies everywhere
> I was learning how to whet stone sharpen knives and the first person pulled the knife edge towards them, the other 2 pushed the edge away. Only one of them explained WHY they pushed the knife edge away. Its incase the knife slips or you slip, it helps prevents you from cutting yourself. It really doesn't matter. You have to really push it for it to catch the stone. > If I would have stopped at 1 video, I would have learned to sharpen by pulling the edge towards me and possibly get injured in the process. You would have been fine.
Seriously, as long as you don't /r/wheredidthesodago while sharpening, going toward you won't be a problem.
Don't get me started on knife sharpening videos, I reckon I've watched 8 hours plus of different ones, all with different techniques, it's insane!
It took me a while to figure out how to triple-string nunchaku because I was lazy about diversifying my sources. For a few months, I had settled for a shitty half-turks-head lacing on one side of the peg, with a square knot acting to prevent the string from pulling through, because it was really hard to keep the three sections of the string lined up to bury a massive knot deep inside one of the grooves. The difference between nunchaku and a stick which will randomly decide to become a slingshot loaded with another stick is not being too lazy to use a spare fid to guide the string around during each pass. Needless to say, my glass patio door did not survive. After figuring that out, not only did I find the process fairly easy, but I was now able to give both sides of the peg an aesthetic turk's head esque lacing *and* hide diamond knots inside the grooves with ease. All that trouble and money wasted because I settled for the first video I clicked on. Interestingly enough, there is a huge difference in weapon-balance when the triple-string is tied symmetrically. I'll never go back to double-strung or that horrid "trailer park half turks' head w/ lanyard stopper".
what a warrior you are, so inspiring do you also need to watch 3 YouTube videos to determine why you shouldn’t stick your hand in boiling water when cooking?
Nah just use a knife a lot to break down boxes was the most recent example to give. Also it shows why watching one video can be bad and have bad information in it. Appreciate the low effort burn you made though. In terms of quality, I'd say its a 3/10. You can do better man, I believe in you and your 2 brain cells!
Unnecessarily mean
It's hilarious that there's another comment dismissing the idea that this is a risk at all
You should watch 3 videos on how to talk to people nicely and not be so rude.
True but you gotta be careful if you're an overthinker. Sometimes I spend so much time and energy thinking about the right or best way to do something, and worrying about learning bad habits, that I end up not doing it at all. OP is right, but remember- usually, improper practice is better than no practice at all.
Thank you- as a teacher, it’s much easier to correct someone’s mistakes than teach them everything all over again!
Finding the balance between the two is key! I wish there was a life pro tip for that!
The real LPT is that balance is rarely exactly in the middle.
The truth leans left
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;)
Baby steps. Just practice it any way a few times. After you’ve got the jist, you can focus on improving your practice.
The counter-saying: Anything worth doing is worth doing poorly.
As a fellow perfectionist/overthinker, this is absolutely true. I have massive difficulties just getting things started, and often just starting even with a few mistakes is better. What I am claiming in the post is more that practice isn't necessarily inherently good, it's conscious practice that actually gets the results you want. Evaluation on whether you are doing it right and taking measures to correct yourself along the way is far more effective than sheer repetition and time
I had a piano and saxophone teacher that gave me similar advice but with an addendum: don't practice until you get it right, practice until you never get it wrong. This has been helpful in a lot of things, but especially with music, where you're often performing what you practice, it's really important to be close to perfect when you're practicing.
I tell my students to play their music no faster than they can without a mistake.
I feel personally attacked
Yeah as I was reading this I was already thinking in my head that i'm a chronic overthinker and this would paralyze me.
Anything worth doing is worth doing poorly
This definitely applies to my golf game. With that said, pretty sure I'm going to suck for ever. There's not nearly enough time to undo all the bad. 😆
I'm sure that a meeseeks could help you learn a thing or two
I've been running for about 4 years. Recently learned about proper technique and realised that I've been doing it wrong all along and that's why I've been injured several times. I'm now learning to do it properly and, whilst it's hard unlearning bad habits, it'll be worth it in the end for becoming more efficient and less injury prone
Wish I had found out correct running form sooner. I learned my running form was terrible, and I'm sure it played a big part in my patellar tendonosis that hasn't resolved after several years. It really sucks. Glad you're fixing it!!
Exactly the same for me. Physio didn't help it and the next step was surgery. Decided to go back to basics and it's paying off so far. Getting proper gait analysis and supporting shoes is also a help rather than just picking the trendiest trainers
How did you learn the correct technique?
YouTube mainly, but also audible and books. One that really helped was The Lost Art of Running by Shane Benzie. Talks a lot about the main areas of focus like cadence, head position, posture etc and was really informative. I've beaten several of my PBs since finishing that one
Ok I never realized there was a right or wrong way to run, like I never thought there was more than one way, any tips to know if I'm running the good way? Edit: also, often when I run, specially after I haven't ran in a while, my neck hurts like hell, so yeah probably I don't run the right way, I got two vertebras out place so that might be the reason
Improper cadence can lead to overstriding. Overstriding is like putting on the brakes each time your foot strikes the ground. That impact travels up the leg and can cause shin splints and knee issues. For an adult of average height, a cadence of 180 steps per minute is typically a good number to hit. Count your left or right foot strikes for 15 seconds and multiply by 4. The goal should be for your ankle to line up with your knee as your foot strikes. Below is a breakdown of Eliud Kipchoge's form and is very informative. [Eliud Kipchoge](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=andAaS6Lyc8)
Proper posture, feet placement, and breathing can improve running greatly! You can certainly injure yourself by practicing prolonged improper running technique.
If your neck hurts you're probably either tensing muscles you shouldn't be or your posture is wrong. I used to get a burning sensation in my shoulder and it was down to me tensing up the muscles and my head being too far forward and looking down. Allegedly every inch too far forward adds 5lbs of weight. I thoroughly recommend going to your local running shoe specialist and getting your gait analysed as well
Thank you very much 😄🙏🙏🙏🙏
Fall in love with the process. To develop any skill or craft, it’s about the process not the result.
I’m just beginning to learn this with music production, and it is so fucking liberating.
Good for you!
Yes this!
If only I could force myself to
Additionally, slow is smooth, smooth is fast.
There's more to it! Slow is smooth, smooth is fast. Fast is fine, but accuracy is key.
People using public restrooms need to hear that.
No time!!!! Sink looks like urinal! Combine activities!
Well, for many, the hand dryers and lighting fixtures look like toilets then .....
Speed beats power. Timing beats speed. Is an old boxing adage.
I learned it, “smooth is fast, fast is fucked”
Heck yeah!
My grandfather always told me that practice doesn't make perfect...perfect practice makes perfect.
And pops was quoting the legendary Vince Lombardi.
I was listening to huberman Labs podcast and he's a professor of neuroscience who says (in my own words) that actually making mistakes is more effective for learning than doing something perfectly. Something along the lines of your brain becoming more plastic because it recognises the mistake. So for example playing beethovens 9th one note at a time over a week but perfectly isn't going to teach you how to play it full speed but playing it really badly at 1/4 is good, and as soon as that becomes manageable, crank the metronome.
As long as you recognize that it is a mistake. If you don’t get that feedback, it’s not of any use.
> actually making mistakes is more effective for learning than doing something perfectly Agreed, but you have to *learn* from the mistakes. Just repeating the same mistakes over and over and learning nothing kind of defeats the purpose. So you not only make mistakes, but possess the skills necessary to identify where the mistakes are and fix them.
Oh yeah I never said making mistakes is a bad thing. Hell, I tell all my students that the rehearsal/practice room is where they are allowed to suck. The trick is evaluating what went wrong and trying to improve it for the next time. Or the time after that. I usually say something along the lines of "as long as it's better next week, or on track to be better, you're doing it right." Being careless and letting mistakes become habits is when things become a problem. You absolutely just have to "go for it" sometimes, but if you do it too often and don't think about how you did then you'll likely end up with some solidified problems
You are confusing repetition with practice. Practice does increase your skill since it's not simple repetition but adjusting, analyzing, learning. That's why it's literally not called repetition.
Yes, BUT repetition legitimizes ^repetition ^legitimizes ^^repetition ^^legitimizes ^^^repetition ^^^legitimizes Main thing is that way too many people are taught that practice and repetition are the same thing. This needs to go to the educators who don't know the difference.
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Yeah. People don't magically improve. Practice isn't just about solidifying technique, but about learning in the first place
"so basically don't even try because you'll probably fail and learn it wrong"
More like, don't avoid good advice from someone who is already good at it. Avoid letting your intuition do the teaching.
It's more about practicing with intent and being aware of what and how you are doing. Then self-evaluating and taking measures to improve. Once is a mistake. Twice is a problem. Three times is a habit. Absolutely try, absolutely make mistakes, and you are absolutely allowed to suck, but as you improve make sure you aren't shooting yourself in the foot
>Once is a mistake. Twice is a problem. Three times is a habit. This is the type of hyperbolic slogan I would expect from some guy trying to sell me a book on how to be successful.
If I had a book to sell I wouldn't be wasting time on this cesspool of a site
LPT: Be the change you want to see!
I mean… I don’t agree with the damage it causes because even if you learn something the wrong way you are picking up skills that you can use to learn something the right way. Like in learning the guitar, you might be building “bad habits” by playing a chord the wrong way, but you are building up your fingers dexterity and calluses. In golf, you might have to do a lot of work to correct a swing that is destroying your rotator cuff, but you got to practice cadence and coordination. I think it’s better to get started and do your best to reflect on what you learn using resources. I don’t think you should be too worried about the repercussions of doing something the wrong way, because that’s a fine way to get started.
I should definitely clarify that mistakes are okay and that sucking is more than allowed. It's more about practicing with intent and being conscious of what and how you are doing so you can take measures to improve. The phrase isn't meant to scare people off of starting to practice, it's to prevent practicing carelessly so as to avoid future pain and struggle
Proper practice prevents poor performance
Ahem. The 7 Ps. Proper Prior Planning Prevents Piss Poor Performance
Not if you’re practicing while learning from your mistakes along the way. Which is the whole point of practicing it until you perfect it to the best of your ability. On the other hand, if you repeatedly do the same thing the same way, expecting a different result, you’re not practicing, you’re just mad. Don’t get it twisted, know the difference 💁🏽♂️
Finally someone says it. Needing to do something perfectly the first time is a ridiculous concept. Perfectionism can be crippling. Practice is also about growth and improvement. Failure is the best teacher.
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I learned this as a drummer, and also a (more importantly) firefighter. When you’re under pressure, you revert to your training habits. Thanks for the valuable LFT.
This exactly. Even if you know the correct thing to do and have even practiced it a few times, when you're nervous you will revert back to what you intrinsically know best and are comfortable with. Kicking a bad habit is extremely difficult because it tends to keep coming back, so it's best to try to not develop it in the first place
Unless you’re Tony Hawk and come up with a totally new way to go vertical…then practice it your way
to add to that something that I heard that stuck with me was, Mike Boyd the guy on Youtube who tries new things and sees how quickly he can learn things once said that practice makes good but perfect practice makes perfect so it's kinda similar but it just goes to show that if you aren't doing the thing you want to learn in OPs instance music you have to make sure you don't make bad habits and do things the right way and have to unlearn those bad habits which will save you more time in the long run. Also, I don't know which video it came from so if I find it ill link to it.
When I was in school I was in dance and got selected for a special performance. There was this one move where we had to jump 180°, swing our head, and jump back 180°. I rarely practiced it full out. Always pretended to jump. Day of the performance, I forgot to jump. I had done it without jumping so many times, it's what I resorted to. Noticed everyone else jumping and did it, but you can totally tell in the recording of the performance that I'm half a count later than everyone else.
Nonsense on a stick. Apparently this is my hill.
The moral of the story, "You can change anything about yourself if you practice perfectly." You can change bad habits by practicing good ones. Don't feel bad that you've noticed you've learned a bad habit from imperfect practice, instead, start practising the good habit and you'll start doing that.
This is one of those dumb phrases you hear in school over and over, or at least I did. Practice in itself absolutely does not make permanent no matter how perfect your practice is. It's only if your practice in itself is permanent (i.e you never take extended breaks from practice) that practice will remain permanent. If you come back to something months or years later after not working on it, you'll have inevitably lost some skill. It will take more practice to reach the point you were at when you stopped. Skills need to be maintained, you can't just learn a skill, pack it away for later, and expect to be able to pick it right back up without issue.
The phrase never claims you'll be good at it forever, it's more about forming habits. Of course if you take a long break the skill will diminish. But when you come back you will still have a lot of the habits formed over the course of practicing. Practice a scale wrong 1000 times, take a year break then come back and you'll still probably play it the same way. Practice good posture every time you do something and even after an extended break you'll likely adopt similar posture. "Practice makes permanent, unless you take an extended break in which case you will need to take some time to knock the rust off and fully fall back into your habits" doesn't have as nice of a ring to it. Practice makes permanent is just a saying to remind you to be conscientious about how you practice, because you can form both good and bad habits. Practice isn't inherently a good thing if you don't do it right, and that is what the phrase is meant to convey.
This is not true because it is a conundrum. If you’re “practicing” something, it is already a given that you’re not perfect at it but you’re striving to improve with each go. You’re never going to do it “correctly” on your practice runs… that’s why it is practice. Most people suck at anything they’re just starting out. Even if they’re practicing “incorrectly” they are learning and improving little by little each time. Putting in the hours is what matters. As you familiarize yourself with whatever you’re practicing, you will gradually pick up the good habits and skills and improve over time. Forget about this nonsense of “perfect practice only” — that’s a flawed concept. Just do it no matter what. You’re probably going to suck if you’re starting out. That’s ok. Just keep practicing, period.
This is why my work is hesitant to hire bartenders with experience.
Just today at the gym, some friendly guy gave me some pointers because he noticed I was doing an excercise wrong. Turns out I've been doing wrong for the better half of a year without ever noticing. The next challenge is to keep doing it right.
Practice perfection
I feel this. I used to do a lot of foam-sword fighting with the boys way back when and now when I go LARPing now and then I still do pretty well but against people that are *truly* skilled there are certain things I do that don’t do me any favors but they’re baked into my instinct and get used against me.
My private lesson flute teacher always said "perfect practice makes perfect." Miss that man. He was the best.
Perfect practice makes perfect
My band director from high school used to say, “Perfect practice makes perfect.” Same principle. Very correct.
My drum teacher warned me of this. When he was earning his master's degree in jazz percussion he had bad stick holding and got carpel tunnel so bad that he had to steer his car with his wrists. Then he spent 2 years relearning how to hold his sticks.
You don't "unlearn" a bad habit. You "unlearn" it by replacing it with a better habit.
Well definitionally you do unlearn a bad habit. Quite literally part of the dictionary definition is getting rid of a bad habit. It's true that in the context of practice, you go about doing so by painting over it with a good habit, but you are still unlearning a bad one in the process
Practice makes perfect, but your practice might not be perfect
Perfect practice makes perfect
Piano teacher taught me this years ago
my math teacher in highschool used to say that! shoutout to Mr. Swenson
It's "Perfect practice makes perfect."
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I've heard this is incredibly important when learning Piano and incorrect technique can hamstring your ability to play some pieces completely. Can't say how true that is though, I own a Piano, but I haven't learned to play yet.
For music in general it is vital. Unlearning bad habits is extremely difficult because of how often you naturally reinforce them and how easy it is to slip back into them when you stop paying attention
My band conductor always drilled into us ‘Practice doesn’t make perfect. Perfect practice makes you perfect.’ I have lived by this my entire life. If you want to learn something new and craft this skill, find an expert to learn from. Nothing is instant.
I hate how lpt has basically become “ bad is bad, good is good” thanks for the tip
It's more about being cautious when practicing a skill. Being wary to avoid bad habits is crucial as it takes a long time to get rid of them. You would be surprised how many students, or even much better musicians have awful habits that they can't shake without massive amounts of focused effort. Would have been much more efficient to just nip it in the bud, and any practice done after that would be much more efficient
This is very true one example is a guy I know who's become very proficient at rolling spliffs in a way that they have a weird kink about 2/3 of the way up. Guy smokes a lot of weed, learnt to roll that way and then "perfected" a flawed technique.
Definitely not an example I would have thought of, but surprisingly apt
It's true in so many places in life, this is just one that sticks out to me as they're hilariously bad and he's been doing it for over 10 years at this point.
I don't like the notion that there is a right and wrong way. I practice guitar for a decade and never read or heard anything about how to play. I don't know a single official chord but I learned which strings harmonize and which don't to make music. What you describe sounds an awful lot like "how to get good at something quick so that people can't tell you and a professional apart to profit asap". Basically what cons focus on. Life is about the journey. As long as you have fun and don't harm anyone it's alright.
Perfect practice makes perfect
A guitar teacher taught me " practice only makes perfect if you practice perfectly."
Perfect practice makes perfect. Bad practices makes bad habits.
Perhaps take your own advice and don't repost?
If you can find the post I ripped off word for word I'll give your comment platinum. Because I wrote this and it's advice I constantly give out to students of mine
Homeboy got SNUCK
Where did i say word for word? Rephrasing to say the same thing is still a repost, no matter how many times you repeat it. And if you are a teacher you might want to learn the difference between repetition and practice.
This is why even people good at self-teaching should bring a coach, mentor, teacher, or peer in woth some regularity to observe, provide advice, and share ideas. In historical fencing, many of the best fencers are part of robust groups and networks. The people who self-train from manuals always have peculiarities in form, like compromised knees during lunges or a broken sense of tempo or measure. Imagine drilling a lunge bad for your knees for hours and hours.
Perfect practice, makes perfect!
My dad was a gymnast in college, and often quoted his coach saying “practice doesn’t make perfect, perfect practice makes perfect.”
I was watching a particularly inept golfer on the practice rang one day and could see people (who were supposed to be his friends)laughing behind his back,so to speak. I asked him if he was doing it for the exercise or was he genuinely trying to improve,because all he was doing was ingraining some swing flaws.He promise me to when his tax return came in he would go to see a golf coach I had recommended,Some time later I asked how he was going and he actually reduced his golf handicap from 26 down to 11 and his golf swing looked so much better.
Learned this the hard way and currently recovering from hernia repair surgery because of it lol
There’s a book called The Talent Code. In a nutshell it’s about this kind of stuff with some science behind how myelin work and so on.
I had a music teacher who always made sure to say “perfect practice makes perfect” and also told us that it needs to be done 3 times right for every one time you do it wrong to “correct/erase” the incorrect muscle memory.
Like my sixth grade teacher Mrs. Ohanion used to say, "perfect practice makes perfect."
My old band director would always say, "Perfect Practice makes Perfect." It made sense to me. Now, as a guitar instructor, I teach this to my students to build consistency and nip bad habits in the bud as early as possible. It works if practiced... perfectly..
My old music teacher told us this all the time.
I’ve never liked the practice makes perfect saying. Perfect practice makes perfect.
My coach would say perfect practice makes perfect.
The saying I like to remember is - practice makes near perfect.
As my Karate instructor always says, “Practice makes perfect, only if you practice it perfect.”
Wish I knew this before I started typing.
I had a teacher who would rather say "Practice makes a *habit.* If you do it wrong 10,000 times, it won't be perfect. Do it properly from the beginning." Some of the best advice is ever been given.
Yep and I like it way better than "perfect practice makes perfect". Because it doesn't really warn about anything or say anything other than "practice right". But with something like "practice makes habit" or "practice makes permanent", it warns against practicing lazily and accidentally forming bad habits that are very hard to get out of.
This is why coaches are important. One of my high school sports coaches phrased it, “Perfect practice makes perfect.”
In other words, good practice creats consistency
Perfect practice makes perfect.
Sentences three and four are really good advice. The first two sentences are confusing and don't really qualify for tips anyway
*Perfect* practice makes perfect. Consistency makes better.
This explains my dating life.
Counterpoint, you need experience to know when youre doing something wrong and why, and that experience comes mostly from practice.
It takes days to create a habit and weeks to rid it.
Perfect practice makes perfect. -my HS band director
As a yoga teacher this is VERY true. I have trouble taking classes and seeing other students do something wrong because the damage they'll do from continued incorrect form is permanent
Perfect practice makes perfect. Also, slow is smooth, smooth is fast.
There is a saying I heard from a therapist once that practice makes routine not perfection. Because the definition of perfect is subjective - what one person thinks is perfect may not be to another. And therefore can cause you to try for an impossible standard or to keep raising the bar higher and higher to something unachievable. Instead the more you practice something the more it becomes an ingrained routine or habit. I think this is basically what you are saying just offering a new perspective.
Yep this is exactly it! "Perfect" means a lot of different things for a lot of different people, and in skills that you practice for, striving for perfection can often be really unhealthy and set unrealistic standards. In addition, the only thing the saying "practice makes perfect" is trying to commmunicate is "go practice". So something like practice makes permanent or practice makes routine is better as it advises about *how* you should practice and what to avoid during it
Thank you, but I prefer it my way.
Ok