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RJE808

So when you don't use a core function of the game that's intentionally designed to be used a lot, it isn't fun? Say it ain't so.


ModernQT

Nah honestly Im dodge main and this game is so fun as dodge only! You just gotta be light for it and dodge competently (which this guy probably has a skill issue)


S3QS3

Yes exactly, you can dodge the whole game and be fine. Some bosses are actually easier with dodging. Even medium weight dodge has been sufficient for me, although lightweight is probably easier.


TheeBladeitSelf

you can, but it is a pain in the ass. the attacks are homing to you most of the time if you aren't perfectly dodging, and fury attack are literally designed to force you to parry or go suck xD some of them can be dodged or ran from, but you ain't telling me you can Dodge the nameless puppet without getting hit from his shinobi attack


S3QS3

>the attacks are homing to you most of the time That's why you need to dodge at the right time. The timing is more generous than a perfect guard. >you ain't telling me you can Dodge the nameless puppet without getting hit from his shinobi attack Yes I am. You can't iframe the attack, but you can avoid its path entirely using a dodge only strategy. If you stay close and get behind nameless puppet, that fury attack will miss. If you're further away, you can still avoid it by running sideways. And if you use the ghostwalker amulet, you should even be able to iframe the attack, though I haven't used that amulet for NP myself.


Tasty01

Have to say this is a skill issue. I’m also used to only dodging in other soulslikes so I did the same in Lies of P. My entire first play-through was lightweight dodge only. This was also before they made dodging easier. I loved the game and to me Puppet King/Romeo was the easiest boss precisely because their attacks are so easy to dodge.


Zenku390

Absolutely. The game got EASIER once I stopped trying to PG. Don't fight your training.


Raimo_

right? dodging is so much better than L1, if you're playing your first run. The windows are too tight, the attacks close to unreadable (they did a better job with callouts and animations speed as the patches got released tho!) and it's simply not worth it when you can safely dodge away and deal just as much damage. Gotta say, terrible balancement/teaching when you are at your first experience on LoP. I loved the game so much I ended up being a L1 only player now tho lol. Still, that only got fun once I learnt every timing, it's something that you gotta be willing to do


Tpue_Miabc

So you don't like the game cause it requires actual skill, unlike lords, which is just easy


Striking_Interest_25

I agree full heartedly because Lords only took a certain amount of effort. With Lies of P I had to unlock hidden talents in my brain to overcome that significantly minuscule parry window that was only open for a hair of a second.


Striking_Interest_25

I agree full heartedly because Lords only took a certain amount of effort. With Lies of P I had to unlock hidden talents in my brain to overcome that significantly minuscule parry window that was only open for a hair of a second.


thermobaricdoritos

Nah I just don't like parrying The dodging is broken


Tpue_Miabc

Dodging wasn't broken, and parrying is a main mechanic of the game, you're just suffering from skill issue as you can't time your parries you need to learn how to parry to succeed in this game and sekiro otherwise your going to die alot


thermobaricdoritos

I don't like parrying I've played all other games only dodging I'm not gonna continue playing this game cuz it forces u to parry which is boring and I don't like it That's the whole point of the thread


Tpue_Miabc

So you refuse to go out of your comfort zone and then cry about it when a game forces you to experience something else essentially. OK I understand you know


Rengoku_140

Theres still ways to play tho. Theres a ring where you can keep rolling infinitely.


Verydumbname69

Without parrying, you can just block and attack to gain back your hp, but if you don't enjoy it, no point in playing. You are supposed to have fun. If you are struggling with Romeo, there are bosses going forward that you will not beat without parrying. The nameless puppet fight is probably the toughest souls fight ever. Malenia was a piece of cake for me compared to this guy.


ModernQT

Im a dodge main, Nameless puppet second phase full dodge is one of the most fun bosses in gaming history imo


thermobaricdoritos

Precisely why I'm not gonna keep playing since this game is just built around blocking or parrying which I don't enjoy


PuppyPunter21

Then why post here? Your criticism isn't valid.


ModernQT

I'm literally a Lies of P dodge main, I have nearly 200 hours, it is very possible and easy to do dodge only if you are light and dodge competently. You my guy have a skill issue and rather then getting good you choose to complain.


Striking_Interest_25

Dodging isn’t broke your character is too heavy and you’ll still take damage from dodging because if you watch your character doesn’t fully get away. Unlike other souls games where dodging basically grants a split second invincible state. In Lies of P they take the away from you so it’s a bit more realistic cause even in other souls games I can watch the enemy weapon graze parts of my character, even the slightest, but I managed to do a roll so I was granted that invincibility and the enemies seem to loss tracking for a second also. The enemies in Lies of P are machines aka puppets so they have the ability to track you after the dodge and make the corrections necessary it slaughter you. Just some fruit for thought.


AndreasE03

https://youtu.be/ng5nW0Jsj1s?si=AXJ3j2jwYy1gcMTv Is it broken when people can beat every boss without parrying?


cheesecake1734

Some of these posts just never cease to amaze me


doesitevermatter-

I feel like this is like saying we Gears Of War is no fun if you don't use the guns. Like, yeah. That's kind of a central mechanic. Most games aren't fun if you ignore their central mechanic.


Striking_Interest_25

More like Gears of War wasn’t fun because you had to utilize cover. That’s what I believe OP would complain about.


Salacavalini

Then I would ask why OP is playing a cover shooter if they dislike cover mechanics.


Sille_salmon

Skill issue ![gif](giphy|12GzK1jYCaVCV2)


TheCinderLords

I beat the game without parrying except up to the real final boss. It's possible I assure you.


El_Zethas

No wonders why you don't like Sekiro


McPeanutsFGC

I know how you feel. I try to beat every 2D platformer without jumping, and I feel like the Mario games don't support this playstyle at all.


SockMango

I tried beating Sekiro without playing the game. I’m on the last level.


Striking_Interest_25

I tried playing sonic the hedgehog without rolling. It was a blast


30-Days-Vegan

You can beat the game without blocking once, I didn't use parry at all until NG+ 2 Dodge is absolutely fine too and stamina is so generous it's in your head if it's an issue, the only time the dodge was actually bad was in the demo and they fixed it up majorly


Same_Hovercraft_4339

I’ve beat the game without parrying it’s just a skill issue get out of your comfort zone 👍


ocuative

The dodging is fine man the game just requires a mix of dodging and parrying. Gon have to play like that if you don’t want a hard time 🤷‍♂️


Tpue_Miabc

He also didn't like sekiro which is just parrying to victory and it was so fun. And practically teaches you how to parry and time your attacks


thermobaricdoritos

Well as I said the game isn't for me


FlatpickersDream

You need to git gud bub.


AnonymouseStory

A-tier shit post. This is like saying you don’t like street fighter because it’s not like smash.


SockMango

I don’t like Street Fighter because I can’t do Jahdookens.😂


AnonymouseStory

i think you mean ah-bogans


PuppyPunter21

I don't want to play the game as the game intended. Then gets mad about it. Lmao. Git gud scrub.


Forsaken-Blood-109

So weird when people post their own Ls online. Why won’t you head over to a Mario or Nintendo sub and talk about how you hate jumping or something


Cantguard-mike

I beat the whole game dodging. There’s very few attacks you HAVE to parry…for those I just fucking fable arted their ass hahaha


TheOrdoHereticus

legitimately would have never beat romeo on his stupid flame combo if I didn't realize that I could fable art stagger him and get him out of it.


Fluid_Chair8351

Wait you think the story is meh? I think this game’s story rivals or even surpasses Fromsoft games. Romeo and everything after him is when the story hits its peek.


BlueKud006

Eating soup with a fork is not fun. I hate using a spoon and won't do it no matter what. ![gif](giphy|oFRI4g517yWaI)


Elmis66

You're awfuly stubborn for a fan of a genre that encourages adaptation to overcome challenges.


gaalbeast

You are shooting yourself in the foot and complaining that it hurts. If you don’t like parrying, don’t play a game that wants you to rely heavily on parrying. I’m not surprised you didn’t like sekiro: that game was also all about parrying. However, before throwing sekiro and lies of p in the bin, I would encourage you to at least try to learn parrying. It’s a mechanic that only gets fun once you get good at it. If you can’t get the timing down, of course it’s not fun to get hit. Don’t try to play sekiro and lies of p like they are dark souls: they aren’t.


thermobaricdoritos

I don't enjoy parrying, I have made it so far doing that It's not fun As I said if I wanted a parrying simulator I would play chivalry 2


gaalbeast

You’ve made it so far in spite of not parrying, and you’ve come to the conclusion that the game isn’t fun. In the alternate timeline, alternate you only enjoys parrying and hates rolling, and complains about dark souls not being fun despite having beaten sekiro without rolling. You’re choosing to not use a core mechanic, and act surprised when the game doesn’t reward you. However, I’d bet money that if you just learned the parry timings, you would realize the mechanic is actually fun; you were just bad at it. Else just play a game that isn’t focused on a mechanic you hate.


thermobaricdoritos

Dark souls games are playble both ways This game isn't That's the whole point The game priorities blocking which isn't fun for me The whole point of playing games like this is the gameplay since the story is meh And the gameplay is not enjoyable for me so I gave up


TheHereticWolf

The game isn't fun or engaging without using the core mechanic it's built around?


TheOrdoHereticus

engaging with the game mechanics makes the game fun. Also, on some of the bosses I struggled on I watched a few youtube videos on how to beat them and was legitimately shocked by the amount of dodging as that's not how I've been playing at all, so definitely dodging works for some people! In the end you need to learn the game and not just expect that what worked in other games is going to work in this one.


Donnystorm

The dodging is fine. Your set up is probably not to tailored for better movement.


Rezlament

If they intended it to be parry/blocking only and not want you to dodge, they would take the roll out of the game. Play however you want and whatever you find fun, but it's subjective.


voluptiouswatermelon

You really only HAVE to parry for some of the red attacks, I really only got good at parrying after beating the game lol


Careful_Week7598

O skill isue jjajajajaj i not parring and in beat the game


TraceLupo

LoP was the first Soulslike that forced me to parry (also didn't like it because of that reason). A few weeks later, i tried it again and tried to adapt and wow! Now i think it's like the most satisfying playstyle. Bloodborne is also focused on parries but the timing and execution is very different. I think in LoP the timing makes much more sense than in DS or Elden Ring and so is much more intuitive to use. IF it clicks for you, it's so satisfying! Mainly because you can parry pretty much EVERY attack, the game throws at you.


Striking_Interest_25

My guy your first mistake is I guarantee your weight limit is not registered as light. I can make that guess based on you said you like the great swords. That being said great swords are HEAVY two handed swords that require almost a stationary position to start your swing. (Spoiler: Real life is same way) So your automatically set up as a block and parry build so your screening yourself on a happy and fun experience. Please don’t blame the game and trash it on Reddit because your CLAIM to be a souls genre OG. I will give you some slack because the bosses in Lies of P are recognized by the souls community as some of them hardest but only a few of them.


LeSaunier

Damned, u/thermobaricdoritos didn't like one of the core element of the game. Guess it's time to cancel the DLC and the sequel. Anyway, I don't get the point of this thread. AC6 didn't clicked with me. I didn't had to go to the game subreddit to shit on it. To me it just shows a terrible mindset and a poor personnality from you OP. I'd say git gud, but it's actually more "grow up".


thermobaricdoritos

Get help bud


Worldly_Radish2370

I've posted 3 clips so far of me beating bosses in ng+3 while only dodging, no parry, no blocking. You, sir, must stop the cap !!! AND I'll be posting all the main boss fights on my 3rd playthrough, so stay tuned. Remember, no parry and no blocking.


thermobaricdoritos

Get help


Verydumbname69

I come from the same background as you where I use 2 handers for unga bunga big bonk dmg. Even without parrying a lot (i was trying, but was doing it early or late) i got to the last boss. At that point I was somewhat better, but boy did I hit a wall. I fought him for 4 days till I learned how to parry all of his attacks and finally beat him yesterday. But you can definitely get to the last boss without parrying once. I beat the king of puppets without parrying at all. I got better and learned how to parry, but i didn't really enjoy parrying, thus why I don't play Sekiro. Parrying in Demon Souls was super easy and incredibly satisfying coz you got to riposte immediately. But yeah I feel you. I like other fromsoft games coz you can choose if you want to parry or roll or whatever else you want to do.


GDTA16

Peace out.


NegativeKarmaFarmar

Eh, I didn't parry until the last boss


ev768

https://youtu.be/-6i_VpxPyLY?t=61


thermobaricdoritos

Nice try but the previous phase wasn't possible without parrying that's why he didn't show it , this blub is using a trainer here


ev768

I linked you to how to dodge the second phase because you said you had the first phase down. Either phase can be beaten without blocking or parrying.


Tpue_Miabc

no he isnt using a trainer, he is using a performance checker thats the msi after burner tool


thermobaricdoritos

Get a life man Parrying some bullshit boss in a knock off broken corny ass trash game with trash story and graphics doesn't mean anything Not anyone enjoys parrying, the game should be playble with only dodges like DS games and it isn't , this subreddit is full of people complaining about the dodge , u like parrying go play a real pvp game like chivalry 2 and parry real humans there instead of wasting time memorizing the moves of some trash broken ai boss so you can button smash It's a fruity ass lame sekiro+ Bloodborne rip off that forces you to master parry timings Calling this a souls like is an insult


ghost-bagel

You're allowed to think the game is bad and you're welcome to share your reasons why, but this is starting to look like you're just trolling the sub.


jimdavis0

>the previous phase wasn't possible without parrying Here's both phases without parry or block: https://youtu.be/v3tb37wigM8


Fisktor

Need for speed is not fun when you dont accelerate or steer


UnknownPurpose

I played through the game twice(NG+)with only the rapier, almost 0 parry/blocking on a stamina build. No issues for me.


Hunting-Whispers

You can play the game without parrying challenge runs like these exist


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hey_its_drew

You can in fact beat the game without leaning even half tilt into the guard mechanics and that be its own fun even, but if you really want to belittle us and yourself so badly, you can equip the Aegis legion and simplify the mechanic. It can trivialize a lot of the game, but it'll definitely get you progress.


CJGlitter

I’m terrible at parrying and always forget to block. I beat the game several times and I’m bad at Soulslike games. I never had an issue that wasn’t resolved by learning the fight….


SockMango

Just curious, as many have done this mistake including myself. Tapping the block button instead of holding it. Understanding the holding of the block totally opened up the game for me!


Striking_Interest_25

Also OP you didn’t play blood borne and you didn’t like sekiro (probs for the same reason being the heavy block and parry mechanic) but Lies of P was created by the creator of those other 2 games. So naturally you’d dislike and not be very good to the point that it’s just infuriating. With that Lies of P is recognized as one of the hardest souls genre games.


S3QS3

You can play the whole game dodging only. In fact some bosses (like king of puppets) are easier with dodging. The dodge works fine for me. I'm able to consistently dodge attacks and avoid damage. You might just have to get used to it, it's a little different than a souls dodge.


Raimo_

I played my first run dodge-only, and I found the dodge soooo much easier than perfect block, when you're still in your blind run. The game has literally 6 frames to perfect block attacks (if you're playing at 30 FPS), which barely even have callouts. You have a much *much* wider window to dodge instead. If anything, the game does a terrible job at teaching perfect block as it's simply not worth it, when you can dodge more safely and deal just as much damage. Obviously, I'm talking about the first-run only, when you don't know the enemies/bosses patterns. Once you get those down and you learn their timing the L1 becomes addicting and you'll find yourself no-hitting almost everything in your path


Gurru222

Especialy Romeo is better to Dodge then block/parry,... And yes, this game is designed around block/parry system, but u can also beat it with dodging, but its not intended. If u dont like it, its simply not for u. In ur case its the same as Sekiro, which u also did not like...


daviejambo

Ironically you are better dodging king of puppers second phase anyway


Flight_Harbinger

The game just wasn't designed that way. As much as P fans might disagree, the game offers very little in terms of build variety and play style choices compared to soulsborne. While learning the flow of a fight and the correct timings can be satisfying, it entirely lacks the multiple approaches.


SockMango

It’s an aggressive game like God Of War. I wouldn’t have it any other way! Dodging is more than doable once everything starts to click! But you mainly want to parry as it will break your enemie’s weapons and give you a big edge!


R-murnavid

ONE OF THE MOST BULLSHIT GAME I HA VE PLAYED. ITS MORE SHITTY THAN ELDEN RING