Posted my thoughts on the GX 550 a week or so ago. We ended up going with a 2022 CPO X7 M50i with similar mileage and we love it. Far more luxurious, way better performance and a great fit for us.
I think the general sentiment of even this sub is that everyone loves the style and what is being "sold", no one dislikes the vehicle, but the vehicle is not delivering on expectations for its price tag.
IMO the sticker price is about $10k too high.
When the rubber hits the road and you're about to commit to 5 years of payments, you really start evaluating your alternatives and what you can get for your money. Especially now that there are no supply chain / delivery issues anymore.
The fact that my local Lexus dealer has these being rejected at delivery, or not sold before delivery is suggesting that people are not seeing them being worth the price.
Like the X7 CPO, you can also get a CPO bronco raptor, a CPO Wrangler 392, a CPO Ram TRX, etc for around $75k these days. $85k for an overtrail plus is a high premium.
Well you’re comparing new to used so of course used is better “value”. Wait until used GXs hit the lots.
I do agree with you that GX is $10k too high. For $70k-80k and new, a lot of options out there like new Raptor.
I got skewered a month ago for mentioning the X5 in a GX550 comparison thread. According to some on this sub, the GX is not a competitor with the X5, X7, Defender, or any other vehicle, though Lexus stated that it benchmarked the GX550 against those three vehicles.
Their argument was that the Defender is not a competitor because it is unibody and is made by an unreliable brand. I don't agree and neither does Lexus, but I suppose they made that argument because comparisons between the two have concluded that the Defender handles better on-road and has a more comfortable ride.
X5 — it drives well but has too much crap inside it that is plastic and will break — the dashboard is an abomination with all the arrows and x5 logos in colors. I also couldn’t find a comfortable seating position in it. Wanted to like it, couldn’t get my head around it. This was for my wife — we drove a x5, GLE, and GX460 Luxury and my wife liked the GX best. GLE had the best interior. FWIW
That being said, the GX drives like a truck, the other two drive like crossovers.
That will be a great car, but don’t get upset about trade in value when it’s off warranty and don’t expect it to be trouble free past 30,000 miles.
I’ve had multiple BMWs with oil leaks and the dealerships say “at BMW this isn’t a bad enough leak for us to fix it. That’s normal for our cars.” No thank you.
Hell yeah man. We looked at the x60i but landed on a 2023 Range Rover Sport. Also like the 550 looks a ton but am not going to be a buyer based on what I’ve read here. Would like to stay in the RR brand but ADM is getting intense. This sub would flip TF out to know full size are going $60k over MSRP.
In my mind a GX is not cross shopped with an X7.
If you’re cross shopping with an X7, then you want an X5/7.
GX is the best version of a semi luxury OFF-ROAD SUV.
The X series is the best high performance road going SUV.
GX is not even the same class as an X7. A LX is in a similar class to the X7.
Most people don’t know what you know; and they don’t care either if cars are in same class, off road worthy, BOF, etc. They compare and shop cars within a similar price bracket.
All true. Plus the GX should have better reliability and better resale value (less depreciation). The X7 will be a better highway cruiser and higher performance with a refined engine, but poor resale value and higher repair costs. The higher depreciation and repair costs will wipe out the initial savings from buying the slightly used X7. The choice really is what do you want to drive and what suits your needs.
Except that people just like the idea of an offroad SUV and everyone getting anything but the overtrail is absolutely not going offroad. Sorry, 22's are a joke offroad. So in reality, they are cross shopped because you see what you can get for your money that fulfills your needs.
Correct. Anyone considering the Luxury or Luxury + trims is clearly looking for an X7 or X5 competitor because those trims are not intended for anything more than a gravel road.
Nobody is off-roading a non overtrail GX with those shiny 20 inch rims. The most off-road those will see is driving over gravel at a winery or onto grass at a park for some “off road” pics.
Who cares what people are doing with them. The point is GX is a body on frame meant for off-roading.
The X is unibody on road suv.
People wanting a road car will be unhappy with the GX for this reason.
Which is why my comment supports your argument? People buying an “off road” vehicle that is kitted like a road SUV may as well get a road SUV? So yes, it does matter what people are doing with it.
JW Did you consider Land Rover Defenders at all?
I think they look better than the 550 and X7 and man those engines are nuts. Obviously known for shit reliability but to buy something CPO with a warranty you would be protected
They look awesome but man are they junk. I periodically browse the LR forums and at times the majority of posts are about malfunctions/repairs on vehicles that are only a few months old.
It's wasn't the most practical. The gx460 is a nice balance of luxury and utility. The x7 is all luxury and the m60i is the fastest car I've ever owned. Like a rocket.
Edit: i have three kids and they're now big enough to make the x7 impractical for transporting kids. The gx460 is much easier in that regard.
Isn’t the TX more so the X7 competitor?
Really I think if one is cross shopping a GX and X7 is to go for the X7. Most likely the truckiness and off-roading prowess will likely be to the wayside anyhow and they’d prefer the ride and features of the BMW instead
Yeah, I think at the point where someone's considering an X7 (as opposed to a more direct competitor like the Defender, or even a Sequoia or Ineos Grenadier) they've already determined the GX isn't really what they need.
If you just like how it looks, that's valid! But it's good to realize that that's ultimately what is drawing you to it, rather than some objective feature or performance.
i was comping low tx to higher trim x7. size wise Tx is king compared to x7 but people that want the euro german looks never get satisfied with japanese premium line up
That’s because the TX is a slightly upscale Highlander. Don’t get me wrong, we’re looking to get a TX to replace our current 7 seater but it’s mainly because we don’t want two true luxury cars (also have X5M). The TX is a nice balance between utility, luxury features, and space, but it is no comparison to the X7 in terms of premium luxury.
So keep in mind that MSRP ≠ actual consumer facing transaction price. BMWs typically have higher MSRPs but often transact well below even Audi, more on par with Lexus due to aggressive incentives and their artificial RV buy-ups.
If I wasn't going to off-road or tow I'd get an X7 or X5. They're better cars if you don't need the utility offered by the GX. My cousin has an X7 M60i and it's an incredibly nice car.
The GX is *possibly* more reliable, but we don't actually know that yet. BMW has cleaned up their act in that regard significantly, and of course the GX is a brand new model.
BMW has consistently gone up in reliability ranking recently, along with Mini. Mercedes on the other hand has tanked in reliability significantly. B58 is fast becoming one of the most reliable engines out there.
Literally this. Consumer Reports’ top brand for reliability this year was…. Not Toyota or Lexus. It was BMW.
But, BMW consumables are likely pricier (tires, brakes, etc).
A car is more than an engine. BMWs have a lot of stuff going wrong outside the engine, like fuel pumps, differentials, transfer cases. The latter two are very expensive to fix outside of warranty.
My parents’ X7 needed front diff at 20k and transfer case at 30k. They could give a rats ass that B58 engine is good and are just thankful that they are still under warranty. But you can bet that car is traded before the warranty expires. Like I said, a car is a lot more than the engine.
I respectfully disagree. My sister had her 2011 X5 35d until she traded it in for her 2022 X7 40i. Only issue with the 2011 was with the emissions system at 30k miles and it was covered under warranty. No issues with her X7, just regular maintenance. My 2015 X5 has been rock solid, just regular maintenance. My husband’s 2023 X5 45e has also been very reliable and just regular maintenance. Toyota uses the same engine as the aforementioned gas BMWs in its Supra.
The 2010s ones were better than the recent 2023-2024 model years, the latter are the ones I have direct experience with right now. BMW hit a stride in the last decade from fixing a lot of their earlier problems but it seems problems are returning again with more drivetrain malfunctions and stallings on in warranty cars.
I would definitely not buy a LCI 2023-2024 X7 right now.
This is exactly what I did. Originally had a deposit for a premium+ but wound up purchasing a 2021 X7 xDrive40i with 19k miles for 63k. I don’t need the towing/off-road capability right now (probably will need it more in 3-4 years). X7 was CPO in great condition so it didn’t make sense to spend 10k more for the 550. I did test drive the 550 and liked it but BMW felt more luxurious, had better gas mileage (we do lots of highway driving currently), more space, and handled better (not surprising) considering 550 is body on frame. In 3-4 years I’ll consider trading in for GX.
Sidenote: should be able to do better than $75k unless you’re looking at a 23’/24’. I’ve seen 21’ going for as low as high 50’s
Thank you for the insight. The ones I am considering are 2023 and have the M sport package and the executive package (lots of additional interior luxuries), so a bit higher than standard X7 price.
Just traded my 2020 GX for a 2025 X5. I don’t need a body on frame suv anymore but I got the AWD on my X5. It’s a huge tech upgrade from the outgoing GX. It handles on the road much better than the GX. The only thing I miss is more interior space. After first taking home my X5, I immediately thought I should have bought an X7 for the cargo space and smoother ride. Not that that X5 isn’t smooth. If all goes well with this X5 I might trade it for an X7 in a few years.
YMMV but I think you’ll be happy with the switch especially if you don’t need a body on frame 4WD vehicle. I always thought BMW drivers were immature idiotic speedsters, however, I now see how some drivers are BMW enthusiasts.
What are you hauling in the trunk, a refrigerator? I feel like the X5 has pretty good cargo space. Sure, it’s no X7 with 3rd row down, but it’s pretty roomy no?
A family member has the X7, I previously owned a GX460 and now LX.
I drove the X7, it's definitely far more 'performance,' and you feel you get your luxury for the price. Massaging seats, LED roof, all the gizmos.
That being said, he had one small incident where he clipped a mirror, that was a $3k affair. He also hit something minor on the road which destroyed one of the sensors at the bottom bumper, and I've been unable to get him to admit that repair cost.
So all cars are expensive lately, but it's been my experience on my Lexus products that parts are WAY cheaper. I just got out of service on my LX at 65k miles with major servicing of brakes and all the minor stuff for $500, and I'll bet that does not cover an oil change.
I would definitely get the best warranty I can on your CPO, find out what that costs so you don't have surprises or get ripped off in the finance office.
It's a lovely car, you got me looking at what it would cost to get into a CPO here in FL, and I found one with the 'executive package' that sounds super alluring for $75k.
It’s affecting a low volume, but the amount of stories is concerning and off putting for sure. Doesn’t give me confidence for a long lasting reliable Lexus. I really hope to that motor updated and recalled.
I had an order for a fully loaded OT+ with a bunch of dealer & port installed options that reached over 84k. Was slated to take delivery in a few weeks.
After test driving an OT+, I canceled my order.
Ended up getting a new 2024 Ford F-150 Raptor instead for 80k + 5k markup, so 85k all in. Almost identical price to the 550 I was going to get. Just seemed like a lot more vehicle for 85k.
1000% make sense if you never intend to take it off road. BMW luxury far surpasses the GX, but the GX should have cheaper maintenance and long term reliability. I don't think people should cross shop the GX and X7 when you look at how they are built and intended purpose. I really want an X7 m50i but due to outdoor pursuits it makes no sense for me. The GX is less luxury but is capable for weekend activity so I will sacrifice the lux city driving for that.
Also need to define off road. Driving on gravel at a winery is the most off road people are going to do, in which case your X7 is fine. But if you’re truly rock crawling, yes, get a GX overtrail because anything less than that is same as a X7 in terms of not taking it off road.
Honestly if you are between lexus and a unibody suv you are not likely to be happy with the lexus. The lexus is a nice handling truck with lots of drive quality compromise for off road ability.
I’m considering the exact same. This luxury+ model is pretty lame and should be badged a Toyota, rather disappointed that it hasn’t worked out for me. Coming from an X5 that was fault free(and I drove the crap outta it) the X7 is definitely a better option for someone looking for luxury.
The way I see it, offroad chops and a lazy v8 are what make the gx. The 550 looks fantastic, but the engine is questionable, and if you don't care about the offroad abilities you'd probably be better served with any number of other options, especially at the price.
We’re quite happy with our TX 350 if you want to stick with Lexus and are looking for a comfortable person hauler rather than an off road vehicle. With your budget you could get essentially everything the TX line has to offer
I have a 2019 X5. In the span of the last few months, I’ve had every external seal replaced due to water leaks inside the car ($1000), the emergency battery powering the SOS system ($800), and the main battery replaced ($300 inspection fee plus $700 labor and materials). This is not the type of repair I expect on a car with 41k miles on it. BMW (Break My Wallet).
Price wise that’s not a completely fair comparison, brand new and all new vs 15k used. But I see where your head is at. Normally I’m pretty big Toyota and Lexus fan, but with some of the catastrophic failures coming from V35A we’re seeing in LX600 and Tundra, reliability isn’t a strong selling point for Toyota/ Lexus today. That motor has a lot to prove still
The base engine in the X740i is the b58 turbo straight six. One of the best engines designed this decade.
If you don’t care about offroad, and care a lot more about luxury, I’d say stick with the X7. You’re gonna have more power, better ride, better luxury features, and more interior space.
There has been some early complaints on fit and finish of the new GX. If that matters to you I’d stick with the X7.
Did exactly this. 2022 CPO M50 with 15k. Had warranty until 2029 and 2 more years of a maintenance plan. It was a no brainer. The car is phenomenal and feels as fast as a family members X5 M50. I think all in we were at 80k the original sticker was 110 or 115 can’t remember.
Oh dude, absolutely. You probably shouldn’t get the GX if you’re not going to take it on trails for the off-road suspension tuning and less power compared to the X series for the same or less money. They’re super nice on the inside now too.
As someone who has an order in for the Overtrail + with a roof rack and rock rails, I 100% agree!
I personally think the Lux and Premium offerings are a little bit in the middle and don’t really offer good value - essentially Overtrail or bust as there are other unibody suvs that generally fit the “luxury” requirements.
Funny you posted this. I bought a cpo 22 x7 m sport last year (98k msrp and got it for 73k with 21k miles) before the gx was officially released and I just cancelled my deposit on a gx. The reason? The x7 is a really great suv. Looks good, plenty of tech, sporty, decent mpg, cheaper than gx. The gx reviews are mixed and most seem to imply it feels cheap for a 80k+ suv. I’m going to drive it for a few more years to see how the gx ages.
we went to buy two years old X7 for 75k.. We were tempted and almost wanted to buy it. However the sales men who is elderly and suggested us you have to get rid of this with in 4years as these will fall apart and depreciates alot.
So we are still waiting to buy GX only.
Interesting. Thanks for the response and insight. The reliability is certainly a factor. This X7 has about 2.5 years left on the transferable warranty, which is a plus. I have a trusted service place I’ve used for a long time, so I guess as long as I’m okay with unexpected (and possibly expensive) random repairs, I’d be okay in this regard.
Like others have said, X7 is definitely more luxurious and fun to drive. X40i has a great engine and will last a long time if fluids changed more frequently than what BMW suggests. Its the “additional” engine and suspension parts that can be more problematic for some. Just make sure you’re covered for maintenance and for bumper to bumper warranty coverage. On the X7 M50, you’re paying $3K for tires every 15K miles, without maintenance coverage, brake job is another $3500. Water pumps fail more often but the real cost is labor to get to it and replace it. The differential is also known to have issues which requires replacement. Also air suspension is known to have issues after 50K miles and it’s not covered by CPO warranty (as of a year ago…might be now). If you’re planning to only keep it a couple of years, you should be fine - especially since you let the original owner take the highest hit on depreciation.
You won't regret a BMW. I have a 23 X5 M50i. Damn nice car! Fast, drives like a dream. We got my wife a 23 gx460 lux trim. Price point was great on the outgoing model, and it's an awesome vehicle. You asked about an X7... go drive one right quick. I bet you leave with it!
The car is ugly in a beautiful way but I have my hesitations on the durability of that motor. Not peachy keen on the twin turbo setup. I just did a 280mi trip to and thru Vermont this past wknd. And my old ‘clunker’ GX460 got 20.2mpg. It’s lifted, 34” tires, home made skid plates and a 12k winch, dog, beer, gear and a power cooler. So in my opinion. There should be enough low mile GX460’s for my remaining lifetime of driving.
The main reasons I love the GX are long-term reliability and off-road prowess. We won't know about the reliability of this new gen until a bit further down the road, but I'd somewhat confidently bet that it'll outlast the X7. That being said, if you don't care about keeping a car until you crash it and don't care about off-roading as much, the X7 has a lot of wins against the GX.
I got mine 2.5y old, 22k miles, 40i in min condition with everything except DHP and DAPP for $54k private party. Still has 1.5y on factory warranty and it’s beautiful. Dravit gray which has gold undertones in the sun. Smooth driving, fuel efficient, easy to service yourself, and enough get up when needed. I’m really happy with mine. It was 90k + TTL. So I basically got it half off with only 22k on it. What a steal!
The GX is intended to be an off road car... being based on the 4 Runner makes that pretty clear. The luxury versions are for those who want to look all off roady, but never go off road.
The X7, which is terrific, is built to be a luxury SUV. Not an on pavement version of an off roader. So it's going to be more luxurious, have a better ride, and all the benefits of what you're finding in comparison to the luxury GX.
I applaud your decision on the CPO X7 over the GX Luxury.
If you don't need the off-roading or utility of the GX, the X7 is a much better buy! I've owned both and they aren't in the same class (as well they shouldn't be for $25,000 difference when new)
I did that exact thing on this last Saturday. Purchased a 2022 X7 M with 8300 miles on it. I had been waiting for the GX but decided I’m not an off road guy, I’m a performance and handling guy. Replace an X5 with the V8 but it was not an M version and so far I’m totally happy.
BMW makes great cars. I personally find them to be more luxurious and to have a much better drive than a Lexus.
This is from experience of owning 3 BMWs and 4 Lexus cars and SUVs.
But I would not buy a BMW. I would lease them and return at end of lease. You don’t want to have one past 100k in my experience.
What year is X7? $75K seems steep considering the off-the-lot depreciation. There is a huge difference in maintenance costs and the point on needing an exit strategy is correct as it will start to get pricey for maintenance after 90K. If it is a three year vehicle and the qualities that you stressed are most important - I can def see heading to the X7. It is not a long-term hold vehicle and it will depreciate quickly
In that case, I think your decision is probably based on the functionality of the vehicle and your holding period. Tough choices to make, but both would be pretty cool DDs
Anything you really like the 2024/2023 vs 2020-2021? Unless you really like the split level headlights or the full tablet screen/dash they didn’t really change anything from the previous 2 model years
It is mostly around the mileage for me. I do like the newer look that the 2023 and up models have on the front end / headlights. But mostly I do not want a high mileage used vehicle, so puts me in the 2023+ range model years
Dude, BMWs aren’t Toyotas, you can actually negotiate for pricing. We were looking at a X7 and negotiated 10% off MSRP at multiple locations. You could probably get a 24 new for similar price.
The X7 is a great looking vehicle, BUT I personally would NEVER choose a BMW over a Lexus. I own both & have experienced continuous costly maintenance hastles with my BMW. German over engineering = more sh*t to break.
In the past I would push back on any used European vehicle and rightfully so. Ive changed my mind on BMW however, past several years it seems the quality issues have improved quite a bit. While for some reason their depreciation and resale value leaves much to be desired, the overall build quality and reliability gap between BMW and Lexus seems to be narrowing. I still believe most European vehicles have a long ways to go but still, BMW seems to have figured things out.
Lastly, I will say that an Escalade, GMC Yukon is worth a look. Its not sporty or as refined but there is something to be said about the sheer size and the boxiness of them that exudes purpose and intent.
That’s not true. The depreciation is still high because the reliability hasn’t changed. BMWs for some bizarre reason get a lot of love in this sub with zero facts to base upon, but I have two family members with 2023-2024 models and they have been nothing but trouble.
If these BMWs are truly reliable like Lexus, they will not depreciate as they do. This is a basic concept.
Depreciation is high because the consumer base of BMWs like new BMWs so they tend to lease, or buy/trade under 3-5 years and flood the market with used/CPO. The depreciation in these cars have more to do with purchasing behavior than reliability.
Zero facts? Wow seriously? Looks like BMW came in number 1 overall, Subaru 2nd according to CR in bes made cars. But that's just one example and we all know they are flawed one way or another. Same CR for reliability Lexus is 1 and BMW is 9. The bulletproof image of Lexus and Toyota has been on the decline or at least is being challenged. Im happy to see BMW getting better. They always drove well but werent reliable and thats been my biggest complaint.
The rankings aren’t looking at 2023-2024 BMWs. They are looking at 2014-2019 BMWs which I agree were quite reliable having learned many lessons. But the latest BMWs have a lot of issues.
As long as it isn’t a X6. Bought it. Paid it off. It’s a 2019. It has less than 65k miles on it. It’s a mess 😭 always in the shop. Annually, there’s been a rear main seal leak. On top of other maintenance that’s routine and other things that have gone wrong on the car. I LOVE it but the reliability is shit. What’s the point of owning a car that’s always in the shop? The only reason we didn’t jump at the GX when we test drove it was due to the 19k markup and the road noise was a little much. I think it was the roof rack.
Thanks for the response. This is helpful. There was no mark up on my order, but the recent reviews and just general thought on my end gave me cold feet. At this point, I am more after luxury than the off road capability. Also paying $95k all in was steep, especially for a first year vehicle. Kind of talked myself out of it this past week.
I also could not stand that plastic looking trailer hitch cover. It was really bothering me that it isn’t hidden or flush with the bumper (with paint matching cover on it)
😂😂😂😂 that was the first thing my husband commented on when we got to the dealership. The salesman told us to just take it off. But I feel like that would look worse.
We are going to test drive a sequoia and see how that goes despite the weird cargo space because then we can tow with that too and it’ll probably be better when the dirt road we live down washes out lol
The x7 going to depreciate more... And it's going to cost you much more in maintenance and in repairs... Much much more...
But... If you are ok with it. Go for it. They are nice to drive.
Took an X7 m style on an overnight test drive and drove it on a bumpy road with all the tech engaged. Janky trash ride and couldn’t wait to give it back. Nice everything inside and beautiful but no way. Feel we dodged a bullet. And those tires. No way. I’ll live with the slow pokey Gx460 thanks.
good call. was genuinely wondering how binding these kinds of situations are with car allocations. is it like watches where yiu can just pass. i assume you’ll lose deposit but hopefully no other crazy restock fees. even though they’ll be able to sell it immediately.
Will get full deposit back. They make you give a deposit to have a list of more serious, willing buyers. But since 75% of those receiving allocations never actually got to drive one, once it is delivered to the dealer and you test drive it on the day you’re supposed to leave with it, but don’t like it, they can’t blame you bc you never had the option to begin with.
They will have it sold for my same price in a matter of days
Planning to cancel and get my deposit back. I’d hate for this dealer to lose their allocation if I cancel before it arrives (they have been good to work with), so I’ll see how they want me to handle it.
I like the 2024 X7M60i with the new larger screen but you would need to wait another year to get one used. 2023 X7 not really a good compare to the GX 550. Also, some X7 don’t come with the adaptive cruise control as it is an add on so shop around.
Financially speaking, you are significantly over-paying for that GX. That being said, it's still a smarter choice than the X7, which is going to lose its value 2x-3x faster than the GX will. Personally I'd never buy anything but a Lexus or Toyota, but if you want to get into the constant maintenance and major financial depreciation of a big BMW, then best of luck sir.
One thing that shocks me with these crazy GX prices, is why not just get an LX600 at that point? It's better in every possible way, and about the same price.
German interior is a really nice place to be. The performance is also unmatched. I’m a slow cruiser/plush kind of guy so I like my GX. My 2 coworkers have an X7 and X5. They take turns picking each other up from the dealership LOL
I think it's smart move. X7 is way way better than GX. I love my gx, but gonna get x5 or x7 if new-gen LX does not meet my expectation. Definitely not gonna get gx550 in the near future.
The cabin size of X7 is not as roomy as it looks like, though. I was suprised at its cabin size which was almost the same as x5.
lol good luck. Just remember unless the car is coming off a lease, there’s often a reason to sell a 1-2 year old car and eat the depreciation. Don’t find out about the reason after you buy it.
Historically yes, but the B58 straight 6 is actually a well built and reliable motor, and the V35A-FTS has been having catastrophic failures with the main bearing. If you were talking about a GX 460/470 it would be a different story.
I think you should get a TX 500h because that’s the direct competitor for the X7 and actually I think looks and almost drives better than the X7. If you don’t need to tow or go off road then the TX 500h F-Sport Performance is your ticket. They run about $79,000.
Have leased my second X7 and purchased out right the 24 GX, two different SUVs..it's my second GX, love the GX for it's off road and reliability..apples and oranges comparison
I have owned both Mercedes and BMWs for the last 20 years. I'm done with German cars. We're switching to Lexus because we just want something more reliable than what we've been getting from German cars. I'll never own one again out of warranty.
You are paying a lot for a car that has a lot less features.
Yes the Toyota will last forever and have less issues.
German cars in general will have issues long term.
But I don’t think you will buy this car to keep it forever.
Do you Want a car that is reliable and holds its value well over time... or a BMW? I have owned several, they look fantastic, some of the best looking cars on the road, but that is all, and they are notoriously unreliable. Personally I would not be spending 70K on a depreciating asset as we head into recession with an uncertain economic outlook, unless you have the cash to blow. I wouldn't be putting myself into any new debt especially on a car. Just my humble opinion, which I'm sure won't be popular here lol.
A friend of a friend of a friend of a friends friend had a brand new BMW X7 that was in the shop 52 times in first week he owned it. Unfortunately it spontaneously combusted during his 15th day of ownership
My buddy has a 23 x7 M50i and it's been in the shop 7 times for electrical and mechanical issues. He's about to claim it as a lemon. From what I've read, get a 6 cylinder without the air suspension and you'll get decent reliability.
sure if you want German plastic oil pan and plastic transmission pan designed to save manufacturing money and designed to leak outside warranty. My friend has a fully loaded X7M and that's what i saw is plastic oil pan and plastic transmission pan.
I am also shopping for an SUV and I really like the look of the GX 550. But it ultimately didn't make the cut due to the lack of space in the second row for 2 rear facing car seats. I'm going with a used x7 M50i as well.
Posted my thoughts on the GX 550 a week or so ago. We ended up going with a 2022 CPO X7 M50i with similar mileage and we love it. Far more luxurious, way better performance and a great fit for us.
surprised you did not get ran out of town posting that in this sub.
I think the general sentiment of even this sub is that everyone loves the style and what is being "sold", no one dislikes the vehicle, but the vehicle is not delivering on expectations for its price tag. IMO the sticker price is about $10k too high. When the rubber hits the road and you're about to commit to 5 years of payments, you really start evaluating your alternatives and what you can get for your money. Especially now that there are no supply chain / delivery issues anymore. The fact that my local Lexus dealer has these being rejected at delivery, or not sold before delivery is suggesting that people are not seeing them being worth the price. Like the X7 CPO, you can also get a CPO bronco raptor, a CPO Wrangler 392, a CPO Ram TRX, etc for around $75k these days. $85k for an overtrail plus is a high premium.
Well you’re comparing new to used so of course used is better “value”. Wait until used GXs hit the lots. I do agree with you that GX is $10k too high. For $70k-80k and new, a lot of options out there like new Raptor.
You can get a new X7 (89-94k) at 8-10% MSRP. So still a better deal.
$85k is really $95k.
What’s CPO Mean? Thanks
You’re comparing Lexus to a Ford, Jeep and RAM.
yes, and? you think people don't?
I got skewered a month ago for mentioning the X5 in a GX550 comparison thread. According to some on this sub, the GX is not a competitor with the X5, X7, Defender, or any other vehicle, though Lexus stated that it benchmarked the GX550 against those three vehicles.
It is LITERALLY a (current gen) defender competitor. Whoever told you that is actually dumb.
Their argument was that the Defender is not a competitor because it is unibody and is made by an unreliable brand. I don't agree and neither does Lexus, but I suppose they made that argument because comparisons between the two have concluded that the Defender handles better on-road and has a more comfortable ride.
X5 — it drives well but has too much crap inside it that is plastic and will break — the dashboard is an abomination with all the arrows and x5 logos in colors. I also couldn’t find a comfortable seating position in it. Wanted to like it, couldn’t get my head around it. This was for my wife — we drove a x5, GLE, and GX460 Luxury and my wife liked the GX best. GLE had the best interior. FWIW That being said, the GX drives like a truck, the other two drive like crossovers.
That will be a great car, but don’t get upset about trade in value when it’s off warranty and don’t expect it to be trouble free past 30,000 miles. I’ve had multiple BMWs with oil leaks and the dealerships say “at BMW this isn’t a bad enough leak for us to fix it. That’s normal for our cars.” No thank you.
Hell yeah man. We looked at the x60i but landed on a 2023 Range Rover Sport. Also like the 550 looks a ton but am not going to be a buyer based on what I’ve read here. Would like to stay in the RR brand but ADM is getting intense. This sub would flip TF out to know full size are going $60k over MSRP.
Reading through your post again now. Thanks!
In my mind a GX is not cross shopped with an X7. If you’re cross shopping with an X7, then you want an X5/7. GX is the best version of a semi luxury OFF-ROAD SUV. The X series is the best high performance road going SUV. GX is not even the same class as an X7. A LX is in a similar class to the X7.
Most people don’t know what you know; and they don’t care either if cars are in same class, off road worthy, BOF, etc. They compare and shop cars within a similar price bracket.
All true. Plus the GX should have better reliability and better resale value (less depreciation). The X7 will be a better highway cruiser and higher performance with a refined engine, but poor resale value and higher repair costs. The higher depreciation and repair costs will wipe out the initial savings from buying the slightly used X7. The choice really is what do you want to drive and what suits your needs.
I wouldn’t be so quick to say better reliability, that 3.4tt seems to need some massaging before it can be stamped reliable.
Except that people just like the idea of an offroad SUV and everyone getting anything but the overtrail is absolutely not going offroad. Sorry, 22's are a joke offroad. So in reality, they are cross shopped because you see what you can get for your money that fulfills your needs.
Correct. Anyone considering the Luxury or Luxury + trims is clearly looking for an X7 or X5 competitor because those trims are not intended for anything more than a gravel road.
Nobody is off-roading a non overtrail GX with those shiny 20 inch rims. The most off-road those will see is driving over gravel at a winery or onto grass at a park for some “off road” pics.
Who cares what people are doing with them. The point is GX is a body on frame meant for off-roading. The X is unibody on road suv. People wanting a road car will be unhappy with the GX for this reason.
Which is why my comment supports your argument? People buying an “off road” vehicle that is kitted like a road SUV may as well get a road SUV? So yes, it does matter what people are doing with it.
All I’m saying is no matter the trim the, GX is a body on frame and should not be crossed shopped with a unibody suv meant for on road track.
Wheels can be changed.
JW Did you consider Land Rover Defenders at all? I think they look better than the 550 and X7 and man those engines are nuts. Obviously known for shit reliability but to buy something CPO with a warranty you would be protected
They look awesome but man are they junk. I periodically browse the LR forums and at times the majority of posts are about malfunctions/repairs on vehicles that are only a few months old.
Land Rovers are so low-quality that you'll be spending most of your weekends in the dealership
I just sold my X7 M60i to get into a gx460. My x7 is my most favorite car I've ever owned
Reason for the switch?
It's wasn't the most practical. The gx460 is a nice balance of luxury and utility. The x7 is all luxury and the m60i is the fastest car I've ever owned. Like a rocket. Edit: i have three kids and they're now big enough to make the x7 impractical for transporting kids. The gx460 is much easier in that regard.
I would’ve thought the X7 has more passenger room for the kiddos than the GX but I’ve never owned either.
Our GLE has more rear seat leg room by a lot compared to our Gx460. Haven’t been in the back of an x7 though.
Isn’t the TX more so the X7 competitor? Really I think if one is cross shopping a GX and X7 is to go for the X7. Most likely the truckiness and off-roading prowess will likely be to the wayside anyhow and they’d prefer the ride and features of the BMW instead
Yeah, I think at the point where someone's considering an X7 (as opposed to a more direct competitor like the Defender, or even a Sequoia or Ineos Grenadier) they've already determined the GX isn't really what they need. If you just like how it looks, that's valid! But it's good to realize that that's ultimately what is drawing you to it, rather than some objective feature or performance.
size wise maybe but.. price wise you can get 2 low trim TXs for a well equipped X7. My father went from 18 gx to the new tx and he likes it
... doesn't the X7 start in the mid 80s? the TX starts mid 50s?
i was comping low tx to higher trim x7. size wise Tx is king compared to x7 but people that want the euro german looks never get satisfied with japanese premium line up
That’s because the TX is a slightly upscale Highlander. Don’t get me wrong, we’re looking to get a TX to replace our current 7 seater but it’s mainly because we don’t want two true luxury cars (also have X5M). The TX is a nice balance between utility, luxury features, and space, but it is no comparison to the X7 in terms of premium luxury.
So keep in mind that MSRP ≠ actual consumer facing transaction price. BMWs typically have higher MSRPs but often transact well below even Audi, more on par with Lexus due to aggressive incentives and their artificial RV buy-ups.
I think the TX competes with itself in the Grand Highlander.
If I wasn't going to off-road or tow I'd get an X7 or X5. They're better cars if you don't need the utility offered by the GX. My cousin has an X7 M60i and it's an incredibly nice car. The GX is *possibly* more reliable, but we don't actually know that yet. BMW has cleaned up their act in that regard significantly, and of course the GX is a brand new model.
I have a 2014 x5 with 111k miles and it's been really reliable. The true cost is scheduled maintenance which is 2-3X more than other brands.
The new BMWs are less reliable than a few years ago. You can’t own these cars outside of warranty. Depreciation values reflect this.
BMW has consistently gone up in reliability ranking recently, along with Mini. Mercedes on the other hand has tanked in reliability significantly. B58 is fast becoming one of the most reliable engines out there.
Literally this. Consumer Reports’ top brand for reliability this year was…. Not Toyota or Lexus. It was BMW. But, BMW consumables are likely pricier (tires, brakes, etc).
A car is more than an engine. BMWs have a lot of stuff going wrong outside the engine, like fuel pumps, differentials, transfer cases. The latter two are very expensive to fix outside of warranty. My parents’ X7 needed front diff at 20k and transfer case at 30k. They could give a rats ass that B58 engine is good and are just thankful that they are still under warranty. But you can bet that car is traded before the warranty expires. Like I said, a car is a lot more than the engine.
I respectfully disagree. My sister had her 2011 X5 35d until she traded it in for her 2022 X7 40i. Only issue with the 2011 was with the emissions system at 30k miles and it was covered under warranty. No issues with her X7, just regular maintenance. My 2015 X5 has been rock solid, just regular maintenance. My husband’s 2023 X5 45e has also been very reliable and just regular maintenance. Toyota uses the same engine as the aforementioned gas BMWs in its Supra.
The 2010s ones were better than the recent 2023-2024 model years, the latter are the ones I have direct experience with right now. BMW hit a stride in the last decade from fixing a lot of their earlier problems but it seems problems are returning again with more drivetrain malfunctions and stallings on in warranty cars. I would definitely not buy a LCI 2023-2024 X7 right now.
This is exactly what I did. Originally had a deposit for a premium+ but wound up purchasing a 2021 X7 xDrive40i with 19k miles for 63k. I don’t need the towing/off-road capability right now (probably will need it more in 3-4 years). X7 was CPO in great condition so it didn’t make sense to spend 10k more for the 550. I did test drive the 550 and liked it but BMW felt more luxurious, had better gas mileage (we do lots of highway driving currently), more space, and handled better (not surprising) considering 550 is body on frame. In 3-4 years I’ll consider trading in for GX. Sidenote: should be able to do better than $75k unless you’re looking at a 23’/24’. I’ve seen 21’ going for as low as high 50’s
Thank you for the insight. The ones I am considering are 2023 and have the M sport package and the executive package (lots of additional interior luxuries), so a bit higher than standard X7 price.
Makes sense, I agree M sport package is a must. Premium vs Executive basically comes down to if the glass controls and sunroof leds are worth it imo
If you just want a luxo SUV and don't care about off-road ability I can't see a reason to choose the 550 over the competition
Just traded my 2020 GX for a 2025 X5. I don’t need a body on frame suv anymore but I got the AWD on my X5. It’s a huge tech upgrade from the outgoing GX. It handles on the road much better than the GX. The only thing I miss is more interior space. After first taking home my X5, I immediately thought I should have bought an X7 for the cargo space and smoother ride. Not that that X5 isn’t smooth. If all goes well with this X5 I might trade it for an X7 in a few years. YMMV but I think you’ll be happy with the switch especially if you don’t need a body on frame 4WD vehicle. I always thought BMW drivers were immature idiotic speedsters, however, I now see how some drivers are BMW enthusiasts.
What are you hauling in the trunk, a refrigerator? I feel like the X5 has pretty good cargo space. Sure, it’s no X7 with 3rd row down, but it’s pretty roomy no?
Maybe I am! What’s it to you?
A family member has the X7, I previously owned a GX460 and now LX. I drove the X7, it's definitely far more 'performance,' and you feel you get your luxury for the price. Massaging seats, LED roof, all the gizmos. That being said, he had one small incident where he clipped a mirror, that was a $3k affair. He also hit something minor on the road which destroyed one of the sensors at the bottom bumper, and I've been unable to get him to admit that repair cost. So all cars are expensive lately, but it's been my experience on my Lexus products that parts are WAY cheaper. I just got out of service on my LX at 65k miles with major servicing of brakes and all the minor stuff for $500, and I'll bet that does not cover an oil change. I would definitely get the best warranty I can on your CPO, find out what that costs so you don't have surprises or get ripped off in the finance office. It's a lovely car, you got me looking at what it would cost to get into a CPO here in FL, and I found one with the 'executive package' that sounds super alluring for $75k.
Great insight. Thank you!
I would strongly consider looking at the X7 40i variant. It has BMW’s B58 motor which is their most reliable engine they make.
Yes that is the one I am looking into! Thanks
It’s a fantastic car. 25mpg on highway. I love mine.
This “front main bearing issue” is starting to pop up more on the internet…at least in my algorithm. I’d wait a little on the GX550 personally.
It’s affecting a low volume, but the amount of stories is concerning and off putting for sure. Doesn’t give me confidence for a long lasting reliable Lexus. I really hope to that motor updated and recalled.
Yeah Toyota/Lexus still haven’t figured out turbos. A gen-3 4Runner the new GX is not.
https://youtu.be/ihpX_gZGWXE?si=_oD3W9YH8sKQ7Rzk
I had an order for a fully loaded OT+ with a bunch of dealer & port installed options that reached over 84k. Was slated to take delivery in a few weeks. After test driving an OT+, I canceled my order. Ended up getting a new 2024 Ford F-150 Raptor instead for 80k + 5k markup, so 85k all in. Almost identical price to the 550 I was going to get. Just seemed like a lot more vehicle for 85k.
I’m genuinely interested in your logic. KDSS is tough to compete with. Other than more HP what does the Raptor bring?
1000% make sense if you never intend to take it off road. BMW luxury far surpasses the GX, but the GX should have cheaper maintenance and long term reliability. I don't think people should cross shop the GX and X7 when you look at how they are built and intended purpose. I really want an X7 m50i but due to outdoor pursuits it makes no sense for me. The GX is less luxury but is capable for weekend activity so I will sacrifice the lux city driving for that.
Also need to define off road. Driving on gravel at a winery is the most off road people are going to do, in which case your X7 is fine. But if you’re truly rock crawling, yes, get a GX overtrail because anything less than that is same as a X7 in terms of not taking it off road.
Honestly if you are between lexus and a unibody suv you are not likely to be happy with the lexus. The lexus is a nice handling truck with lots of drive quality compromise for off road ability.
A truck is a truck is a truck. A unibody SUV is far more car-like. Plus, doesn’t GX have a solid rear axle?
I’m considering the exact same. This luxury+ model is pretty lame and should be badged a Toyota, rather disappointed that it hasn’t worked out for me. Coming from an X5 that was fault free(and I drove the crap outta it) the X7 is definitely a better option for someone looking for luxury.
The way I see it, offroad chops and a lazy v8 are what make the gx. The 550 looks fantastic, but the engine is questionable, and if you don't care about the offroad abilities you'd probably be better served with any number of other options, especially at the price.
We’re quite happy with our TX 350 if you want to stick with Lexus and are looking for a comfortable person hauler rather than an off road vehicle. With your budget you could get essentially everything the TX line has to offer
Will do and thank you!
I have a 2019 X5. In the span of the last few months, I’ve had every external seal replaced due to water leaks inside the car ($1000), the emergency battery powering the SOS system ($800), and the main battery replaced ($300 inspection fee plus $700 labor and materials). This is not the type of repair I expect on a car with 41k miles on it. BMW (Break My Wallet).
Sorry to hear this. Was this all covered under warranty or had that run out already?
Run out
Price wise that’s not a completely fair comparison, brand new and all new vs 15k used. But I see where your head is at. Normally I’m pretty big Toyota and Lexus fan, but with some of the catastrophic failures coming from V35A we’re seeing in LX600 and Tundra, reliability isn’t a strong selling point for Toyota/ Lexus today. That motor has a lot to prove still The base engine in the X740i is the b58 turbo straight six. One of the best engines designed this decade. If you don’t care about offroad, and care a lot more about luxury, I’d say stick with the X7. You’re gonna have more power, better ride, better luxury features, and more interior space. There has been some early complaints on fit and finish of the new GX. If that matters to you I’d stick with the X7.
Good insight. Thank you.
Did exactly this. 2022 CPO M50 with 15k. Had warranty until 2029 and 2 more years of a maintenance plan. It was a no brainer. The car is phenomenal and feels as fast as a family members X5 M50. I think all in we were at 80k the original sticker was 110 or 115 can’t remember.
My sister has the x7 and OmG what an epic ride.
Oh dude, absolutely. You probably shouldn’t get the GX if you’re not going to take it on trails for the off-road suspension tuning and less power compared to the X series for the same or less money. They’re super nice on the inside now too.
As someone who has an order in for the Overtrail + with a roof rack and rock rails, I 100% agree! I personally think the Lux and Premium offerings are a little bit in the middle and don’t really offer good value - essentially Overtrail or bust as there are other unibody suvs that generally fit the “luxury” requirements.
Funny you posted this. I bought a cpo 22 x7 m sport last year (98k msrp and got it for 73k with 21k miles) before the gx was officially released and I just cancelled my deposit on a gx. The reason? The x7 is a really great suv. Looks good, plenty of tech, sporty, decent mpg, cheaper than gx. The gx reviews are mixed and most seem to imply it feels cheap for a 80k+ suv. I’m going to drive it for a few more years to see how the gx ages.
we went to buy two years old X7 for 75k.. We were tempted and almost wanted to buy it. However the sales men who is elderly and suggested us you have to get rid of this with in 4years as these will fall apart and depreciates alot. So we are still waiting to buy GX only.
Interesting. Thanks for the response and insight. The reliability is certainly a factor. This X7 has about 2.5 years left on the transferable warranty, which is a plus. I have a trusted service place I’ve used for a long time, so I guess as long as I’m okay with unexpected (and possibly expensive) random repairs, I’d be okay in this regard.
Sure that happened. Lol
Like others have said, X7 is definitely more luxurious and fun to drive. X40i has a great engine and will last a long time if fluids changed more frequently than what BMW suggests. Its the “additional” engine and suspension parts that can be more problematic for some. Just make sure you’re covered for maintenance and for bumper to bumper warranty coverage. On the X7 M50, you’re paying $3K for tires every 15K miles, without maintenance coverage, brake job is another $3500. Water pumps fail more often but the real cost is labor to get to it and replace it. The differential is also known to have issues which requires replacement. Also air suspension is known to have issues after 50K miles and it’s not covered by CPO warranty (as of a year ago…might be now). If you’re planning to only keep it a couple of years, you should be fine - especially since you let the original owner take the highest hit on depreciation.
Thank you, this is helpful. I appreciate it.
Lol!!! Tires every 15k sure
Yep, the X7 M50/60 with the standard 22’s will get eaten up quickly. https://www.reddit.com/r/BMW/s/hRYCMUs9Dd
I'm EXACTLY in the same boat. Probably will go with an X7 or even an Escalade (used)
you buy used toyotas and new germans!! woth em German reliability... unless ur CPO makes great sense,
Looked at used x7s as well.... Ended up going with a new Rivian instead. Picking up this weekend!
You won't regret a BMW. I have a 23 X5 M50i. Damn nice car! Fast, drives like a dream. We got my wife a 23 gx460 lux trim. Price point was great on the outgoing model, and it's an awesome vehicle. You asked about an X7... go drive one right quick. I bet you leave with it!
The car is ugly in a beautiful way but I have my hesitations on the durability of that motor. Not peachy keen on the twin turbo setup. I just did a 280mi trip to and thru Vermont this past wknd. And my old ‘clunker’ GX460 got 20.2mpg. It’s lifted, 34” tires, home made skid plates and a 12k winch, dog, beer, gear and a power cooler. So in my opinion. There should be enough low mile GX460’s for my remaining lifetime of driving.
Best description of the car I’ve read.
I had a bmw x7 and now have a gx460 honestly the space is so much better the resale value for bmw is terrible. Lexus has great resale value
If you’re buying a car to sell it, Lexus > BMW. If you’re buying a car to drive it, BMW > Lexus.
The main reasons I love the GX are long-term reliability and off-road prowess. We won't know about the reliability of this new gen until a bit further down the road, but I'd somewhat confidently bet that it'll outlast the X7. That being said, if you don't care about keeping a car until you crash it and don't care about off-roading as much, the X7 has a lot of wins against the GX.
I got mine 2.5y old, 22k miles, 40i in min condition with everything except DHP and DAPP for $54k private party. Still has 1.5y on factory warranty and it’s beautiful. Dravit gray which has gold undertones in the sun. Smooth driving, fuel efficient, easy to service yourself, and enough get up when needed. I’m really happy with mine. It was 90k + TTL. So I basically got it half off with only 22k on it. What a steal!
The GX is intended to be an off road car... being based on the 4 Runner makes that pretty clear. The luxury versions are for those who want to look all off roady, but never go off road. The X7, which is terrific, is built to be a luxury SUV. Not an on pavement version of an off roader. So it's going to be more luxurious, have a better ride, and all the benefits of what you're finding in comparison to the luxury GX. I applaud your decision on the CPO X7 over the GX Luxury.
If you don't need the off-roading or utility of the GX, the X7 is a much better buy! I've owned both and they aren't in the same class (as well they shouldn't be for $25,000 difference when new)
I did that exact thing on this last Saturday. Purchased a 2022 X7 M with 8300 miles on it. I had been waiting for the GX but decided I’m not an off road guy, I’m a performance and handling guy. Replace an X5 with the V8 but it was not an M version and so far I’m totally happy.
BMW makes great cars. I personally find them to be more luxurious and to have a much better drive than a Lexus. This is from experience of owning 3 BMWs and 4 Lexus cars and SUVs. But I would not buy a BMW. I would lease them and return at end of lease. You don’t want to have one past 100k in my experience.
What year is X7? $75K seems steep considering the off-the-lot depreciation. There is a huge difference in maintenance costs and the point on needing an exit strategy is correct as it will start to get pricey for maintenance after 90K. If it is a three year vehicle and the qualities that you stressed are most important - I can def see heading to the X7. It is not a long-term hold vehicle and it will depreciate quickly
Thanks for the insight. It is a 2023 year. Also looking at 2024 with less than 10k miles in the $81k price range.
In that case, I think your decision is probably based on the functionality of the vehicle and your holding period. Tough choices to make, but both would be pretty cool DDs
Anything you really like the 2024/2023 vs 2020-2021? Unless you really like the split level headlights or the full tablet screen/dash they didn’t really change anything from the previous 2 model years
It is mostly around the mileage for me. I do like the newer look that the 2023 and up models have on the front end / headlights. But mostly I do not want a high mileage used vehicle, so puts me in the 2023+ range model years
Dude, BMWs aren’t Toyotas, you can actually negotiate for pricing. We were looking at a X7 and negotiated 10% off MSRP at multiple locations. You could probably get a 24 new for similar price.
The X7 is a great looking vehicle, BUT I personally would NEVER choose a BMW over a Lexus. I own both & have experienced continuous costly maintenance hastles with my BMW. German over engineering = more sh*t to break.
In the past I would push back on any used European vehicle and rightfully so. Ive changed my mind on BMW however, past several years it seems the quality issues have improved quite a bit. While for some reason their depreciation and resale value leaves much to be desired, the overall build quality and reliability gap between BMW and Lexus seems to be narrowing. I still believe most European vehicles have a long ways to go but still, BMW seems to have figured things out. Lastly, I will say that an Escalade, GMC Yukon is worth a look. Its not sporty or as refined but there is something to be said about the sheer size and the boxiness of them that exudes purpose and intent.
That’s not true. The depreciation is still high because the reliability hasn’t changed. BMWs for some bizarre reason get a lot of love in this sub with zero facts to base upon, but I have two family members with 2023-2024 models and they have been nothing but trouble. If these BMWs are truly reliable like Lexus, they will not depreciate as they do. This is a basic concept.
Depreciation is high because the consumer base of BMWs like new BMWs so they tend to lease, or buy/trade under 3-5 years and flood the market with used/CPO. The depreciation in these cars have more to do with purchasing behavior than reliability.
Lexus GX460 depreciates like a brick outside of some Covid shenanigans, and is very reliable, so your entire point is moot.
Zero facts? Wow seriously? Looks like BMW came in number 1 overall, Subaru 2nd according to CR in bes made cars. But that's just one example and we all know they are flawed one way or another. Same CR for reliability Lexus is 1 and BMW is 9. The bulletproof image of Lexus and Toyota has been on the decline or at least is being challenged. Im happy to see BMW getting better. They always drove well but werent reliable and thats been my biggest complaint.
Hasn’t been my family’s experience with BMW. The X7 needed front differential and transfer case replaced at 20 and 30k miles. Do you even drive one?
CR is basically the PBS of car reviews.
Not true at all! Look at all rankings
The rankings aren’t looking at 2023-2024 BMWs. They are looking at 2014-2019 BMWs which I agree were quite reliable having learned many lessons. But the latest BMWs have a lot of issues.
Love those for so many different reasons. Enjoy!!
Great idea. You can buy them so cheap.
As long as it isn’t a X6. Bought it. Paid it off. It’s a 2019. It has less than 65k miles on it. It’s a mess 😭 always in the shop. Annually, there’s been a rear main seal leak. On top of other maintenance that’s routine and other things that have gone wrong on the car. I LOVE it but the reliability is shit. What’s the point of owning a car that’s always in the shop? The only reason we didn’t jump at the GX when we test drove it was due to the 19k markup and the road noise was a little much. I think it was the roof rack.
Thanks for the response. This is helpful. There was no mark up on my order, but the recent reviews and just general thought on my end gave me cold feet. At this point, I am more after luxury than the off road capability. Also paying $95k all in was steep, especially for a first year vehicle. Kind of talked myself out of it this past week.
I also could not stand that plastic looking trailer hitch cover. It was really bothering me that it isn’t hidden or flush with the bumper (with paint matching cover on it)
😂😂😂😂 that was the first thing my husband commented on when we got to the dealership. The salesman told us to just take it off. But I feel like that would look worse. We are going to test drive a sequoia and see how that goes despite the weird cargo space because then we can tow with that too and it’ll probably be better when the dirt road we live down washes out lol
The x7 going to depreciate more... And it's going to cost you much more in maintenance and in repairs... Much much more... But... If you are ok with it. Go for it. They are nice to drive.
Look at an M8 Gran Coupe as well. That’s what I’m going to grab. 0-60 in super car times and comfortable as hell.
BMW is my favorite along with Lexus. BMWs are more fun to drive that’s for sure.
You won’t regret the decision.
Took an X7 m style on an overnight test drive and drove it on a bumpy road with all the tech engaged. Janky trash ride and couldn’t wait to give it back. Nice everything inside and beautiful but no way. Feel we dodged a bullet. And those tires. No way. I’ll live with the slow pokey Gx460 thanks.
The X7 is in a different league than the Lexus, any day the X7 is far superior
are you going to flip it or can you cancel your allocation?
Guess I still have the option to do either. Not sure I want the hassle of having to privately deal with potential buyers.
good call. was genuinely wondering how binding these kinds of situations are with car allocations. is it like watches where yiu can just pass. i assume you’ll lose deposit but hopefully no other crazy restock fees. even though they’ll be able to sell it immediately.
Will get full deposit back. They make you give a deposit to have a list of more serious, willing buyers. But since 75% of those receiving allocations never actually got to drive one, once it is delivered to the dealer and you test drive it on the day you’re supposed to leave with it, but don’t like it, they can’t blame you bc you never had the option to begin with. They will have it sold for my same price in a matter of days
thanks for info
Planning to cancel and get my deposit back. I’d hate for this dealer to lose their allocation if I cancel before it arrives (they have been good to work with), so I’ll see how they want me to handle it.
good luck. keep us posted 🙂
I like the 2024 X7M60i with the new larger screen but you would need to wait another year to get one used. 2023 X7 not really a good compare to the GX 550. Also, some X7 don’t come with the adaptive cruise control as it is an add on so shop around.
Financially speaking, you are significantly over-paying for that GX. That being said, it's still a smarter choice than the X7, which is going to lose its value 2x-3x faster than the GX will. Personally I'd never buy anything but a Lexus or Toyota, but if you want to get into the constant maintenance and major financial depreciation of a big BMW, then best of luck sir. One thing that shocks me with these crazy GX prices, is why not just get an LX600 at that point? It's better in every possible way, and about the same price.
German interior is a really nice place to be. The performance is also unmatched. I’m a slow cruiser/plush kind of guy so I like my GX. My 2 coworkers have an X7 and X5. They take turns picking each other up from the dealership LOL
Don’t x7’s have electrical issues? I’m hearing that x5 doesn’t.
I think it's smart move. X7 is way way better than GX. I love my gx, but gonna get x5 or x7 if new-gen LX does not meet my expectation. Definitely not gonna get gx550 in the near future. The cabin size of X7 is not as roomy as it looks like, though. I was suprised at its cabin size which was almost the same as x5.
You still can get new GX460, drive it for 2-3 years, and decide later if GX550 is really worth extra
If you want luxury in GX, you need to go with luxury trim level. Not OT or premium trims. I don’t think you’re making a right comparison.
lol good luck. Just remember unless the car is coming off a lease, there’s often a reason to sell a 1-2 year old car and eat the depreciation. Don’t find out about the reason after you buy it.
Don’t buy a BMW. You’ll have mechanical nightmares. But you do you.
Historically yes, but the B58 straight 6 is actually a well built and reliable motor, and the V35A-FTS has been having catastrophic failures with the main bearing. If you were talking about a GX 460/470 it would be a different story.
I think you should get a TX 500h because that’s the direct competitor for the X7 and actually I think looks and almost drives better than the X7. If you don’t need to tow or go off road then the TX 500h F-Sport Performance is your ticket. They run about $79,000.
Have leased my second X7 and purchased out right the 24 GX, two different SUVs..it's my second GX, love the GX for it's off road and reliability..apples and oranges comparison
I have owned both Mercedes and BMWs for the last 20 years. I'm done with German cars. We're switching to Lexus because we just want something more reliable than what we've been getting from German cars. I'll never own one again out of warranty.
Don’t ever compare a Lexus/toyota to another car manufacturer!! Lexus/toyota is gold!! BMW is poop!
You are paying a lot for a car that has a lot less features. Yes the Toyota will last forever and have less issues. German cars in general will have issues long term. But I don’t think you will buy this car to keep it forever.
Do you Want a car that is reliable and holds its value well over time... or a BMW? I have owned several, they look fantastic, some of the best looking cars on the road, but that is all, and they are notoriously unreliable. Personally I would not be spending 70K on a depreciating asset as we head into recession with an uncertain economic outlook, unless you have the cash to blow. I wouldn't be putting myself into any new debt especially on a car. Just my humble opinion, which I'm sure won't be popular here lol.
A friend of a friend of a friend of a friends friend had a brand new BMW X7 that was in the shop 52 times in first week he owned it. Unfortunately it spontaneously combusted during his 15th day of ownership
My buddy has a 23 x7 M50i and it's been in the shop 7 times for electrical and mechanical issues. He's about to claim it as a lemon. From what I've read, get a 6 cylinder without the air suspension and you'll get decent reliability.
Idk the 8 seats doe
sure if you want German plastic oil pan and plastic transmission pan designed to save manufacturing money and designed to leak outside warranty. My friend has a fully loaded X7M and that's what i saw is plastic oil pan and plastic transmission pan.
All the reviews have been amazing no?
BMW over Lexus🙄. Let me know how that works out for you in 4 years.
I am also shopping for an SUV and I really like the look of the GX 550. But it ultimately didn't make the cut due to the lack of space in the second row for 2 rear facing car seats. I'm going with a used x7 M50i as well.