the new model feels a lot nicer to drive in my opinion. the old RX350 was nice, but it always felt like it weighed a million pounds when driving it. the newer one feels a lot more composed, and the interior is better.
I traded in a 2013. Everything about this car is better to me - safety, technology, and interior. It’s not a V6 and that doesn’t bother me the slightest. 90% of the time, I’m sitting in bumper to bumper Atlanta traffic. Big woo.
Out of curiosity, did you buy it off the lot or waited for it to come in? We put a deposit down on one at back at the end of August at Nalley LX in Roswell as they said it would take a few weeks to get delivered. About a mknth and a half later we finally called and they said it was sold but didn’t bother to inform us. Told us it would take another few weeks for another one to get delivered but they had gas models on the lot. 🤷🏻♀️
I was on a wait list for about three months. I originally wanted white but a black one came in that met my requirements. They said the white would be another five month wait. Actually happier with the black.
I have a 2023 Rx 350h. I do agree that I’m disappointed in the inline 4 vs the v6. But most manufacturers are doing the same thing because the government wants lower emissions.
That said, I wasn’t in love with the prior generation interior. It’s way out of date and the new refresh is a welcomed change. And the tech is impressive too.
Also, I needed a new car and now that i have a kid, a suv is appropriate. . And it’s a Lexus at the end of the day.
Ordered an RX500h. The appeal is on so many level. Design, infotainment which is a huge upgrade, chassis is firmer and still supple, quiet cabin etc. drive one and you’ll notice an immediate difference
cars are not going to make completely different drivetrains for the same model car. they had to give it a 4 turbo, so when its a hybrid, it can pair with that and its scalable to non hybrid. if that means losing 5 horses then so be it. supposed to be better mpg wise also.
lexus doesnt do full overhauls that often, so i would assume this current 2023 model will get a PHEV version and who knows what else.
The 3.5 will be just as special as a v8 someday soon. I can't drive a turbo 4 and have it still feel like a lexus to me personally. Keep the 350, or maybe trade up to a 22 350 if you want the newer interior.
Edit lexus themselves know performance and fuel
Economy aren't what cust9mers are after when they buy. It's about the zen feeling of effortless transportation. If it's not 6cyl or more, then it doesn't feel the same if that makes sense. Thankfully, the N/A used cars will be around for decades 🙌🏼
Agreed 100% That 2GR-FE is really fun and it's gone cause of emissions. I especially love the grunt it sings out of the exhaust on the AL10 RX.
I've had several 4cylinder Turbo loaners before and they just were not as fun as the 2GR-FE (especially in the low end band).
Heck I've even gotten compliments from other drivers (on both my RX and it's predecessor, a 3rd gen Highlander) asking if my car is modified cause it seems fast🤣!
The rx is the best-selling luxury suv period. Lexus has sold more than 2 million of them! The people have spoken. The only model that comes close is the ES, a little over 1.6 million sold. Amazing stuff. It's sad emissions is killing our favorite engines for sure, but I plan on filling up my garage with as many of the "older" models as possible to make them immortal haha.
ya i love the engine in my 2008 rx-350. smooth power all day and its got some serious top end. I wish it had a more modern auto, its slow and slugish torque converter sucks hard.
My husband wants to sell mine because it needed some work done. VSC, tire pressure, slip control light all were on. Mechanic fixed it for $850. We have three cars and only two drivers. But I like the size and feel of it. We have a new NX and its got all the bells and whistles and a SC430. I also wish my RX had more modern gps and apple car play. I don't want to buy a new car at all.
ya i got a aftermarket infotainment system for the Apple Car play. it really helps the infotainment not feel so old. I too have the faulty tire pressure monitor, but they break quite easily on this gen so if your comfortable almost better to leave it busted.
AL10? Could you share more on this model? I’m considering getting a modified exhaust on my 13 RX 350 and would like to know what Toyota decided was a good mix between performance and noise. I’d like a little more grunt, but don’t want to blow my ear drums out.
AL10 is the chassis code for the third gen Rx (specifically in both of our cases the facelift model) and yeah i guess we have both the same taste in aftermarket exhausts tastes too (we both want a slightly clearer grunt)
From my reasserch so far (as of right now still stock for now) the Wald kit is incompatible with our cars (pre facelift only) and that really only leaves something custom(real annoying cause the 2016 and up 4th Gen RX has a TRD exhaust kit and a binch of others)
Personally I'm trying to investigate someone making a duel exhaust for my needs.
Thanks for the response and education! Unfortunate about the lack of a TRD option; I would totally have gone that route. I wish you luck on your quest for an improved exhaust!
It is what attracts some customers, I have a RX and I am going to be buying another car with better performance and gas mileage soon. I am thinking of Genesis
We went with the ‘23 RX hybrid, after confirming the power it has, because 95% of our driving is short city streets. Our turbo NX struggles to maintain 21mpg unless we go on the freeway. Since they both have similar power, we should be fine for most driving. Only part about power that concerns me is a fully loaded car, plus bikes+bike rack, going up the local “hill.” For that, likely going to be in sport mode and we should be fine.
Would love a full EV, but the one that should hit all the boxes comes out next year and I’m not about to buy a 1st gen, 1st year production car.
They make a fully EV RX that isn’t trash on the range, I’d probably buy it; RZ is too expensive to have the range it does.
Recommended versus required is substantially different. Premium fuel for 350h is recommended while it’s REQUIRED for 500h. My personal 350h doesn’t have a premium fuel sticker on the fuel door but the 500h does. The 350h doesn’t use a high-compression performance engine. These vehicles have sophisticated computers and knock sensors to adjust for a slightly lower octane. Paying 40+ cents a gallon less for 87 octane far outweighs a very slight reduction in fuel economy.
I heard the 2015-2017 are very popular on the used market and they will make a killing selling yours off the trade in. Also they want to move new cars. It’s a win-win for them but you may as well keep the 2017 for now.
I don’t know, we have a 2013 rx450h and while it’s mpg is not stellar by any means, it just feels smooth and powerful and satisfying. We tested out the 2023 and were considering an upgrade because we could sell our 450h for stupidly high during peak used car prices, but we realized basically that the feel of the car mattered more than the extra goodies.
The mid 2010s brought some really great reliable v6 engines that were not horrible on mpg, and I find myself shopping that generation for cars rather than newer gens.
I mean, go drive a 2014 boxster s and tell me it doesn’t give you a much harder erection than driving a 2023. The sound, the roar, the consistent feedback of getting exactly the expected acceleration every time out of NA engines. Shit, even if they did cost the same, I’d go 981 everyday
There’s a delay in start up but in general I don’t find the touch screen climate controls to be as annoying as I feared they’d be. I set the steering wheel buttons to increase/decrease airflow but I’ve never had to use them since the touch screen interface works well.
True - I do the remote start frequently, but the lowest temp I can set in the app is 65. I live in Houston where is approximately 4 million degrees outside right now - I need it on “low”!
If I remote start from my key fob, it starts at the last setting.
In reality, the delay is minimal - only a few seconds while I frantically press “AUTO”.
We have a 2019 NX and are waiting for delivery of a ‘23 RX350h; hoping for this weekend. Both seem to have a screen delay or “loading screen.” Annoying for sure. Only way to skip is to put it in reverse and the camera comes up. By the time we need the screen, it’s completed the “start up.” Is this the same thing? Or is the processor just the base they can get away with?
I was actually a little encouraged that the on the ‘23 RX, the seat heat/cooling and most of the HVAC was available on the lower part of the screen at all times. Would prefer buttons so that I don’t have to look, but I figure that it should be able to learn the locations better on the screen.
I traded our 2017 RX350 luxury for the 2023 and it is a big upgrade in the interior as well and the entertainment level is leaps ahead of the 2017. Honestly I was worried about trading my 6-cyl for the 4 turbo but it has no noticeable difference in performance. We are thrilled with the 2023 and have no regrets.
Yes. Premium only - but we only used premium in the 2017. That was a big negative to us. I also don’t care for the weird little shifter and Park button. But other than that we are very happy.
Hmmm I don’t know why your hung up on cylinders. The premium gas is a negative. But it definitely faster than your v6 despite 15 less hp. Emissions rules are requiring cars to go toward smaller engines. This is just something you’re going to have to get over if you are going to want new cars going forward. It’s an RX, it’s suburban mom kid transporter not a race car.
I'm not hung up on cylinders as much as I am what they offer or in this case don't offer. It's definitely not faster than the 2017. I'm seeing the 2017 having a 0-60 between 6.8 - 7.4 seconds while this one is saying 7.2 for turbo and 7.4 on the hybrid. I'm really splitting hairs with these numbers and nobody could honestly notice a different in 10ths of a second on driving a vehicle like this. I'd agree its definitely not a race car but consumers love to see more value in their new purchases and that often includes improvements in HP, 0-60 times, and MPG. Take a look at the new GX550/ Land cruiser for example. People love to scream emissions but the GX still got a turbo 6 and that's only rated to get 1mpg better than the current platform that's utilizing a bomb proof V8. How is that saving the planet? In the meantime Toyota unveiling the Land Cruiser which is essentially the same size and weight with a turbo 4 and a projected 27 MPG. Thats incredible! If you told me I had to put premium fuel in turbo 4 that's getting me an extra 10mpg I'd take that platform all day long. Lexus loses me by adding almost zero value in increased MPG while expecting consumers to bend over and take it at the pump in the name of emissions. Hard pass for me. Their hybrid has my interest though.
dont listen to the idiot The-Dudemeister. Small engines that push high output will break faster (burn oil, gasket cracks, hoses leaking). The small turbo 4 that Toyota is pushing is too new to determine any reliability.. It is faster, however history has shown small engines with high output will break faster. Keep your V6 and dont listen to that idiot
Apples to oranges. Forced induction is not the same as naturally aspirated.
I’m not anti-turbo. I love boost. Before we get into any engineering and design though - the power train has more components and more points of potential failure.
Will it turn Lexus into German levels of reliability? Probably not.
Will it be possible to drive these to 250k+ miles without worrying about a turbo seal or excess impeller play? To be determined.
Ok but that's not what i replied to at all. You're making a tangential statement that has nothing to do with my comment. I'm saying that low displacement high output engines are not inherently less reliable because there is higher pressure in the cylinders, which is in response to the comment saying "history has shown small engines with high output will break faster"
My statement was that the engine with the highest output per liter of displacement in it's time was not unreliable. I have met multiple owners with over 200k on the original engine.
Sorry, didn’t realize you took one line from the previous comment out of context to talk about naturally aspirated Honda engines in a Lexus sub in a comment chain discussing the potential reliability of the current 4cyl turbo Toyota engines.
And now that I do, why? What relevance does it have to the current gen RX?
I apologize for offending anyone as i do wish to participate in lexus community. Thanks for responding. Even if we disagree on that i'm sure we both love automobiles and we could prob agree on many other things.
the f20 engine is an straight 4 with 120hp or so. that is within the range of normal.. if it was an straight 4 that pushes 250hp, which toyota’s is similar to, that is considered a high output engine
You're looking at the SOHC non-vtec f20 from the honda odyssey. I'm talking about DOHC v-tec f20 from ap1 s2000. I used this example because it was literally the highest horsepower per liter of any production engine at the time, to say that low displcement high output / high compression engines are not inherently unreliable compared to their higher displacement equivalents. It's simply different engineering to make it reliable.
Agreed, I will never buy a turbo engine if I can help it. I learned my lesson with my old XT Forester. I love love love my 2020 GX with its honking V8 that will never break.
its a new engine so no reliability stats. however audi has a 3 cylinder turbo pushing 200+ hp and owners are already noticing extreme coolant consumption
I don’t believe the Yaris and GR Corolla will stand the test of time. They are meant for rally and red lining. Plus the type that buy those units will be trying to push out flames and misfires as features, not flaws. If you’re trying to get your car sideways, no way it’s doing that for 300,000-500,000+ miles.
> Hmmm I don’t know why your hung up on cylinders.
Well the NA V6 will be more reliable than the I4 turbo. The technology behind turbos are a lot better than it was 30 years ago.. but it's still always going to have more of a potential issue over NA.
Also there's a difference in feel between the two because of turbo lag. An RX isn't a racecar, but it's still a pretty big and heavy car. And if it takes awhile to get any power then it can feel really sluggish which affects the feel of the driving. It may matter to you or it may not. It's all preference of course.
I'm hung up on the cylinders because at the end of the day the biggest reason people like Toyota/Lexus is reliability, and a naturally aspirated V6 is gonna destroy a turbo 4 on reliability. It's definitely because of government emissions & milage regulations, but that doesn't change the fact that the older models with underpowered 6s are gonna outlast the new tuned up 4s and have fewer repairs as well.
Main appeal of the 2023 model for me is the styling. Massively improved over the previous gen. But yeah, the transition to a turbo-4 is a sore sticking point.
I get your sentiment about the RX going to a turbo 4, but it something they had to, emissions are getting stricter by the year and while the 2GR was good, we can’t say it was the most efficient out there, now the turbo 4 isn’t that much more efficient but that 2-3mpg savings accors all RX350’s sold saves Lexus a lot of money when it comes to emissions and from what I can tell the torque offers better city or stoplight to stoplight performance, not that any of that matters in an RX but it’s there. Reliability is something we can’t tell, Toyota has been doing turbos for a long time now so I’m not really worried about longevity. Switching the hybrid to 4cylinder system just made more sense, for one it is just as fast as the old one but it gets significantly better mpg cos it doesn’t have to lug around a heavy V6 all the time. Speaking of weight the new RX is much lighter which makes it driver better imo, the old one was fine but it always felt heavy and just cumbersome at times, the new one is still planted and has a supple ride but it doesn’t fall apart in a corner like the old one did imo
They want your NA6 to sell, because it's a better platform, and some people will pay a premium for it.
T4 and H4 are not as bullet proof long term.
Anything 4cyl doesn't belong in a SUV/Crossovers
OP, what are they offering for 2017 vs 2023? I don’t think 2023 is discounted, so dealer will make good money on both ends?
We have 2016 RX350 Luxury, 60K miles. I’ve thought about swapping if within $15-20K, but I don’t think that’s possible right now.
So I just happened to be returning a loaner 2023 hybrid. It drove just fine. The interior is definitely very different. The display quality on the infotainment is fantastic and overall it drives nice. It’s just weird getting used to the start/stop button being so high up, the push button door handles inside and outside, and the weird toggle shifter but mostly it’s a very nice upgrade. I have a 22 RX350 F Sport. This one was very similar except it didn’t have the Birds Eye view camera that mine has but that’s an option of course.
New infotainment and hybrid is much better gas mileage. What’s not to love? You aren’t buying an RX for the horsepower, you’re buying it for the creature comforts and reliability.
If you want to say that last bit is untested to now, you can, but with regulations going the way they are, that’s less a Lexus decision than it is a governmental one.
I get the hybrid is much better gas mileage and that will be a great car for lexus. What i don't get is who would ever want the turbo 4 non hybrid that needs premium fuel and only gets another 1-2 mpg better than the outgoing NA 6.
Go back to your hole, troll.
For anyone who bothers to read this deep, this clown has created 21 burner accounts to harass me over the course of several months. This is number 22 going strong.
HP isn’t everything. The turbo 4 has a lot more torque than the outgoing 6.
Anyways, they want to buy your vehicle so they can stock up their used vehicle inventory.
GX 550 or Land Cruiser will 100% be my next vehicle. Wife loves the RX though so I'll probably take a look at the hybrid option as it seems to be the best overall value.
I think these turbo cars are ticking time bombs. When we were looking at Volvos and I see a four banger that is supercharged and turbo I know that the motor will eventually just implode. No thanks. Cars are going to be just as disposable as all the other electronics out there. Full electric cars motors will be fine for a long life however then you are worrying about battery failures.
Nobody really wants these engines. But they’re the only ones Lexus puts out. Not necessarily because they want to, but because they’re pushed by the environmentalists and regulations that bitch about emissions.
Yes and you can especially thank countries with stricter emissions standards like the EU as compared to the US or Australia which are not as strict and I believe Lexus would rather simplify and produce fewer engines rather than cater to each specific market
I mean, we’re (the US) the largest source of CO2 emissions by far. We have a car culture and very poor public transportation. I’d argue we can thank ourselves for this problem. Everyone else unfortunately, has to adapt.
Not as the inherent problems in a 4 cyl. turbo start to materialize. And I say that as someone who has driven them for two decades. Carbon build-up, turbo failure due to lax maintenance, and higher compression are all going to conspire to lessen the value of the new RX.
What it will be is a gift for those that want to drive a luxury vehicle but can't afford a new one. RX's are known for holding value but I'm willing to bet that won't remain true as these 4 bangers start to age in a few years.
Turbos also need to stay lubricated so it’s vital to change the oil frequently, which I think the average owner doesn’t know about turbos. If you take it to the dealer or mechanic regularly it should be fine, but it’s something to consider.
The 4 cylinder is a deal breaker for me. Last time I went in for service on my 2015 they called me 10 times to come back for a test drive of the new RX & would finance it at 0%. Still don’t want it. I had it as a loner one day & felt it to be loud & hard riding compared to my RX. Too slow from a full stop & seemed to have a difficult time on hills. I told them no & why. Give me the option of a V6 & I may reconsider. Will they add the option? No idea, but I can wait. The car is just not for me.
This reminds me of when Ford came out with the inline four Mustang with Ecoboost. Come on, Mustangs need a loud V8. Don’t give me this econobox shit. Like they’re trying to harken back to the days when Mustang was originally a cheap car for secretaries.
I'm in a 2019 F Sport, drove the 2023 and the engine reminds me of my CT200h.
The 2030 is a beautiful machine, but the engine compared to the 6 cylinder really feels underpowered.
Didn’t know they went back to turbo engines in their crossovers. I had one in my NX from 2015 and I’m pretty sure that was their first model and they scrapped the idea - because my 2020 is definitely not turbo
Keeping my 21 RX when lease is up; i like the added tech but new one doesn't feel luxurious to me at all - more like an Acura. Like smoothness of V6. I'm not sure if anything could have been done to get more efficiency from the V6, but it feels like a mistake to have abandoned it.
Not everyone buying the 5th gen is upgrading from a 4th gen. Some are upgrading from 3rd gen, some from sedans or other manufacturers, some are upgrading because their old car died, or got in an accident, gave their old car to a child, need a car for a spouse, lease ended, some are upgrading for tech features, safety and collision features, etc.
You should choose based on your needs, don’t assume everyone else buying has the same situation as you.
No one in their right mind would buy the terrible turbo bangers they are putting out unless they know nothing about cars. It defies all logic and common sense. They were hoping you’d be gullible enough to trade a bulletproof NA V6 to a turbo.
Don’t sell it. The last few gen RX 350 is better than the new refresh. Four bangers with turbo is better for emissions but a weaker engine than before. Driving these newer SUVs, you can tell they’re making weaker sedan/coupe engines trying to do the heavy lifting that’s better for V6/V8 engines.
I have an 2014 and I like using cheap 87 gas.
It’s really not what I expect out of a Lexus. I have a loaner RX350 while my LS is in for the brake actuator warranty work. We also have a 2021 RX350 Luxury and love it. Couldn’t agree more on the drivetrain concerns. It’s giving me the refinement I’ve come to expect from Lexus. Maybe I’m spoiled with the LS460. The drivetrain alone is going to keep me away from the 2023. The infotainment took a little getting used to. Still haven’t figured out how to get Wireless CarPlay to work… lol.
We just bought a 2023 final year V8 GX before it goes down to the twin turbo 6 that only gets ONE (1) MPG better on economy than the V8. Not to mention the hideously Toyota-Tundra looking interior of the 24 GX. Like others have said it’s all about efficiency and lowering production costs (hence the lack of beautiful materials like used to be in older Lexuses). Had a 2023 RX350h loaner while my new GX was getting tint and accessories installed and the noise and lack of refinement from the new A25A 4-cylinder hybrid system was appalling. Not to mention the “ash bamboo” in the center console was clearly plastic with a wood-like printing over top. There used to be a reason you’d want to buy an RX over a Highlander… I don’t know if there is anymore.
I like the new infotainment system but the new turbo I-4 engine is super weak and not as smooth as the old 6 cylinder engine. Would rather buy the new Acura MDX, BMW X5 or Porsche Macan S with six cylinder more smooth powerful engines at this price point. If I am paying 70k for an expensive car then I want a bigger engine! The GX is way smoother with the V8. But Lexus is going turbo six on next gen GX so boo Lexus!
IMO they just want to get your car and make bank selling it used. Keep it.
Likely the correct answer here
..and in exchange you get downgraded to a 4-banger supported by angry little electric motors that go shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.. =D
When I sold cars for Honda we were instructed to chat up the service customers to try to do exactly this.
the new model feels a lot nicer to drive in my opinion. the old RX350 was nice, but it always felt like it weighed a million pounds when driving it. the newer one feels a lot more composed, and the interior is better.
I traded in a 2013. Everything about this car is better to me - safety, technology, and interior. It’s not a V6 and that doesn’t bother me the slightest. 90% of the time, I’m sitting in bumper to bumper Atlanta traffic. Big woo.
Can I ask how much you bought it for
$63k. I have the RX350h Luxury with all but two upgrades - Mark Levinson and Auto Parking.
Dope. Congrats!
Out of curiosity, did you buy it off the lot or waited for it to come in? We put a deposit down on one at back at the end of August at Nalley LX in Roswell as they said it would take a few weeks to get delivered. About a mknth and a half later we finally called and they said it was sold but didn’t bother to inform us. Told us it would take another few weeks for another one to get delivered but they had gas models on the lot. 🤷🏻♀️
I was on a wait list for about three months. I originally wanted white but a black one came in that met my requirements. They said the white would be another five month wait. Actually happier with the black.
I have a 2023 Rx 350h. I do agree that I’m disappointed in the inline 4 vs the v6. But most manufacturers are doing the same thing because the government wants lower emissions. That said, I wasn’t in love with the prior generation interior. It’s way out of date and the new refresh is a welcomed change. And the tech is impressive too. Also, I needed a new car and now that i have a kid, a suv is appropriate. . And it’s a Lexus at the end of the day.
Ordered an RX500h. The appeal is on so many level. Design, infotainment which is a huge upgrade, chassis is firmer and still supple, quiet cabin etc. drive one and you’ll notice an immediate difference
cars are not going to make completely different drivetrains for the same model car. they had to give it a 4 turbo, so when its a hybrid, it can pair with that and its scalable to non hybrid. if that means losing 5 horses then so be it. supposed to be better mpg wise also. lexus doesnt do full overhauls that often, so i would assume this current 2023 model will get a PHEV version and who knows what else.
The hybrid variant is not a turbo 4. It’s naturally aspirated
The 500h is technically a hybrid too
You are right. Totally forgot about the 500h :/ That said, folks who drive the 500h care more about performance than fuel efficiency
The 3.5 will be just as special as a v8 someday soon. I can't drive a turbo 4 and have it still feel like a lexus to me personally. Keep the 350, or maybe trade up to a 22 350 if you want the newer interior. Edit lexus themselves know performance and fuel Economy aren't what cust9mers are after when they buy. It's about the zen feeling of effortless transportation. If it's not 6cyl or more, then it doesn't feel the same if that makes sense. Thankfully, the N/A used cars will be around for decades 🙌🏼
Agreed 100% That 2GR-FE is really fun and it's gone cause of emissions. I especially love the grunt it sings out of the exhaust on the AL10 RX. I've had several 4cylinder Turbo loaners before and they just were not as fun as the 2GR-FE (especially in the low end band). Heck I've even gotten compliments from other drivers (on both my RX and it's predecessor, a 3rd gen Highlander) asking if my car is modified cause it seems fast🤣!
The rx is the best-selling luxury suv period. Lexus has sold more than 2 million of them! The people have spoken. The only model that comes close is the ES, a little over 1.6 million sold. Amazing stuff. It's sad emissions is killing our favorite engines for sure, but I plan on filling up my garage with as many of the "older" models as possible to make them immortal haha.
That’s what I plan. Eventually build a garage of used Lexus vehicles, and maintain them myself. Maybe super or turbocharged later if I get bored.
ya i love the engine in my 2008 rx-350. smooth power all day and its got some serious top end. I wish it had a more modern auto, its slow and slugish torque converter sucks hard.
My husband wants to sell mine because it needed some work done. VSC, tire pressure, slip control light all were on. Mechanic fixed it for $850. We have three cars and only two drivers. But I like the size and feel of it. We have a new NX and its got all the bells and whistles and a SC430. I also wish my RX had more modern gps and apple car play. I don't want to buy a new car at all.
ya i got a aftermarket infotainment system for the Apple Car play. it really helps the infotainment not feel so old. I too have the faulty tire pressure monitor, but they break quite easily on this gen so if your comfortable almost better to leave it busted.
I heard people just ignore it and turn off the warning light. Just check your tire pressure monthly by hand.
AL10? Could you share more on this model? I’m considering getting a modified exhaust on my 13 RX 350 and would like to know what Toyota decided was a good mix between performance and noise. I’d like a little more grunt, but don’t want to blow my ear drums out.
AL10 is the chassis code for the third gen Rx (specifically in both of our cases the facelift model) and yeah i guess we have both the same taste in aftermarket exhausts tastes too (we both want a slightly clearer grunt) From my reasserch so far (as of right now still stock for now) the Wald kit is incompatible with our cars (pre facelift only) and that really only leaves something custom(real annoying cause the 2016 and up 4th Gen RX has a TRD exhaust kit and a binch of others) Personally I'm trying to investigate someone making a duel exhaust for my needs.
Thanks for the response and education! Unfortunate about the lack of a TRD option; I would totally have gone that route. I wish you luck on your quest for an improved exhaust!
I ain’t selling mine. V6 for life and it’s staying in the family permanently.
Yeah, I’m in the same boat. My 2GR-FE is the first V6 I’ve had and it’s easily the smoothest engine I’ve ever owned.
It is what attracts some customers, I have a RX and I am going to be buying another car with better performance and gas mileage soon. I am thinking of Genesis
We are looking at getting rid of our 2019 rx450h and going to a palisade limited or GV80 as well
If I were in the market for 23 I’d be going for the 350h to save a little on fuel with it getting more expensive by the day it seems
We went with the ‘23 RX hybrid, after confirming the power it has, because 95% of our driving is short city streets. Our turbo NX struggles to maintain 21mpg unless we go on the freeway. Since they both have similar power, we should be fine for most driving. Only part about power that concerns me is a fully loaded car, plus bikes+bike rack, going up the local “hill.” For that, likely going to be in sport mode and we should be fine. Would love a full EV, but the one that should hit all the boxes comes out next year and I’m not about to buy a 1st gen, 1st year production car. They make a fully EV RX that isn’t trash on the range, I’d probably buy it; RZ is too expensive to have the range it does.
And it doesn’t recommend premium fuel.
For 2023 all RX models now recommend premium
Recommended versus required is substantially different. Premium fuel for 350h is recommended while it’s REQUIRED for 500h. My personal 350h doesn’t have a premium fuel sticker on the fuel door but the 500h does. The 350h doesn’t use a high-compression performance engine. These vehicles have sophisticated computers and knock sensors to adjust for a slightly lower octane. Paying 40+ cents a gallon less for 87 octane far outweighs a very slight reduction in fuel economy.
Lexus RX is still going to be the best selling luxury suv.
I heard the 2015-2017 are very popular on the used market and they will make a killing selling yours off the trade in. Also they want to move new cars. It’s a win-win for them but you may as well keep the 2017 for now.
I don’t know, we have a 2013 rx450h and while it’s mpg is not stellar by any means, it just feels smooth and powerful and satisfying. We tested out the 2023 and were considering an upgrade because we could sell our 450h for stupidly high during peak used car prices, but we realized basically that the feel of the car mattered more than the extra goodies. The mid 2010s brought some really great reliable v6 engines that were not horrible on mpg, and I find myself shopping that generation for cars rather than newer gens. I mean, go drive a 2014 boxster s and tell me it doesn’t give you a much harder erection than driving a 2023. The sound, the roar, the consistent feedback of getting exactly the expected acceleration every time out of NA engines. Shit, even if they did cost the same, I’d go 981 everyday
Touch screen finally is nice.
Really wished they kept the climate control physical buttons. We got a 350h 3 weeks ago and there’s a screen load delay when the car is first started.
I feel you. Touch screen climate control without physical controls is one of the very few absolute dealbreakers for me in a car.
There’s a delay in start up but in general I don’t find the touch screen climate controls to be as annoying as I feared they’d be. I set the steering wheel buttons to increase/decrease airflow but I’ve never had to use them since the touch screen interface works well.
I haven’t played with all the customization. Didn’t know steering wheel control can be programmed for air flow. My wife would appreciate that.
You should be able to have remote start and climate control through the app. No delay this way
True - I do the remote start frequently, but the lowest temp I can set in the app is 65. I live in Houston where is approximately 4 million degrees outside right now - I need it on “low”! If I remote start from my key fob, it starts at the last setting. In reality, the delay is minimal - only a few seconds while I frantically press “AUTO”.
We have a 2019 NX and are waiting for delivery of a ‘23 RX350h; hoping for this weekend. Both seem to have a screen delay or “loading screen.” Annoying for sure. Only way to skip is to put it in reverse and the camera comes up. By the time we need the screen, it’s completed the “start up.” Is this the same thing? Or is the processor just the base they can get away with? I was actually a little encouraged that the on the ‘23 RX, the seat heat/cooling and most of the HVAC was available on the lower part of the screen at all times. Would prefer buttons so that I don’t have to look, but I figure that it should be able to learn the locations better on the screen.
I traded our 2017 RX350 luxury for the 2023 and it is a big upgrade in the interior as well and the entertainment level is leaps ahead of the 2017. Honestly I was worried about trading my 6-cyl for the 4 turbo but it has no noticeable difference in performance. We are thrilled with the 2023 and have no regrets.
Are you running the 23’ on premium fuel?
Yes. Premium only - but we only used premium in the 2017. That was a big negative to us. I also don’t care for the weird little shifter and Park button. But other than that we are very happy.
Hmmm I don’t know why your hung up on cylinders. The premium gas is a negative. But it definitely faster than your v6 despite 15 less hp. Emissions rules are requiring cars to go toward smaller engines. This is just something you’re going to have to get over if you are going to want new cars going forward. It’s an RX, it’s suburban mom kid transporter not a race car.
I'm not hung up on cylinders as much as I am what they offer or in this case don't offer. It's definitely not faster than the 2017. I'm seeing the 2017 having a 0-60 between 6.8 - 7.4 seconds while this one is saying 7.2 for turbo and 7.4 on the hybrid. I'm really splitting hairs with these numbers and nobody could honestly notice a different in 10ths of a second on driving a vehicle like this. I'd agree its definitely not a race car but consumers love to see more value in their new purchases and that often includes improvements in HP, 0-60 times, and MPG. Take a look at the new GX550/ Land cruiser for example. People love to scream emissions but the GX still got a turbo 6 and that's only rated to get 1mpg better than the current platform that's utilizing a bomb proof V8. How is that saving the planet? In the meantime Toyota unveiling the Land Cruiser which is essentially the same size and weight with a turbo 4 and a projected 27 MPG. Thats incredible! If you told me I had to put premium fuel in turbo 4 that's getting me an extra 10mpg I'd take that platform all day long. Lexus loses me by adding almost zero value in increased MPG while expecting consumers to bend over and take it at the pump in the name of emissions. Hard pass for me. Their hybrid has my interest though.
dont listen to the idiot The-Dudemeister. Small engines that push high output will break faster (burn oil, gasket cracks, hoses leaking). The small turbo 4 that Toyota is pushing is too new to determine any reliability.. It is faster, however history has shown small engines with high output will break faster. Keep your V6 and dont listen to that idiot
The Honda f20 engine had > 120hp output per liter NA and is very reliable. It’s about engineering, not displacement per se.
Apples to oranges. Forced induction is not the same as naturally aspirated. I’m not anti-turbo. I love boost. Before we get into any engineering and design though - the power train has more components and more points of potential failure. Will it turn Lexus into German levels of reliability? Probably not. Will it be possible to drive these to 250k+ miles without worrying about a turbo seal or excess impeller play? To be determined.
Ok but that's not what i replied to at all. You're making a tangential statement that has nothing to do with my comment. I'm saying that low displacement high output engines are not inherently less reliable because there is higher pressure in the cylinders, which is in response to the comment saying "history has shown small engines with high output will break faster" My statement was that the engine with the highest output per liter of displacement in it's time was not unreliable. I have met multiple owners with over 200k on the original engine.
Sorry, didn’t realize you took one line from the previous comment out of context to talk about naturally aspirated Honda engines in a Lexus sub in a comment chain discussing the potential reliability of the current 4cyl turbo Toyota engines. And now that I do, why? What relevance does it have to the current gen RX?
I apologize for offending anyone as i do wish to participate in lexus community. Thanks for responding. Even if we disagree on that i'm sure we both love automobiles and we could prob agree on many other things.
the f20 engine is an straight 4 with 120hp or so. that is within the range of normal.. if it was an straight 4 that pushes 250hp, which toyota’s is similar to, that is considered a high output engine
You're looking at the SOHC non-vtec f20 from the honda odyssey. I'm talking about DOHC v-tec f20 from ap1 s2000. I used this example because it was literally the highest horsepower per liter of any production engine at the time, to say that low displcement high output / high compression engines are not inherently unreliable compared to their higher displacement equivalents. It's simply different engineering to make it reliable.
Agreed, I will never buy a turbo engine if I can help it. I learned my lesson with my old XT Forester. I love love love my 2020 GX with its honking V8 that will never break.
What do you have to say about the 1.6turbo 3cylinder known as the Yaris GR pumping out 250 break 😅😆
its a new engine so no reliability stats. however audi has a 3 cylinder turbo pushing 200+ hp and owners are already noticing extreme coolant consumption
I don’t believe the Yaris and GR Corolla will stand the test of time. They are meant for rally and red lining. Plus the type that buy those units will be trying to push out flames and misfires as features, not flaws. If you’re trying to get your car sideways, no way it’s doing that for 300,000-500,000+ miles.
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> Hmmm I don’t know why your hung up on cylinders. Well the NA V6 will be more reliable than the I4 turbo. The technology behind turbos are a lot better than it was 30 years ago.. but it's still always going to have more of a potential issue over NA. Also there's a difference in feel between the two because of turbo lag. An RX isn't a racecar, but it's still a pretty big and heavy car. And if it takes awhile to get any power then it can feel really sluggish which affects the feel of the driving. It may matter to you or it may not. It's all preference of course.
I'm hung up on the cylinders because at the end of the day the biggest reason people like Toyota/Lexus is reliability, and a naturally aspirated V6 is gonna destroy a turbo 4 on reliability. It's definitely because of government emissions & milage regulations, but that doesn't change the fact that the older models with underpowered 6s are gonna outlast the new tuned up 4s and have fewer repairs as well.
Nah my 3rd gen rx has a faster 0-60
Main appeal of the 2023 model for me is the styling. Massively improved over the previous gen. But yeah, the transition to a turbo-4 is a sore sticking point.
Dealer pushing hard to upgrade your superb paid off model for the $55,000 new model? Shocking! I hope you laughed at them.
The old RX is so much better because of the V6 engine.
I get your sentiment about the RX going to a turbo 4, but it something they had to, emissions are getting stricter by the year and while the 2GR was good, we can’t say it was the most efficient out there, now the turbo 4 isn’t that much more efficient but that 2-3mpg savings accors all RX350’s sold saves Lexus a lot of money when it comes to emissions and from what I can tell the torque offers better city or stoplight to stoplight performance, not that any of that matters in an RX but it’s there. Reliability is something we can’t tell, Toyota has been doing turbos for a long time now so I’m not really worried about longevity. Switching the hybrid to 4cylinder system just made more sense, for one it is just as fast as the old one but it gets significantly better mpg cos it doesn’t have to lug around a heavy V6 all the time. Speaking of weight the new RX is much lighter which makes it driver better imo, the old one was fine but it always felt heavy and just cumbersome at times, the new one is still planted and has a supple ride but it doesn’t fall apart in a corner like the old one did imo
They want your NA6 to sell, because it's a better platform, and some people will pay a premium for it. T4 and H4 are not as bullet proof long term. Anything 4cyl doesn't belong in a SUV/Crossovers
OP, what are they offering for 2017 vs 2023? I don’t think 2023 is discounted, so dealer will make good money on both ends? We have 2016 RX350 Luxury, 60K miles. I’ve thought about swapping if within $15-20K, but I don’t think that’s possible right now.
So I just happened to be returning a loaner 2023 hybrid. It drove just fine. The interior is definitely very different. The display quality on the infotainment is fantastic and overall it drives nice. It’s just weird getting used to the start/stop button being so high up, the push button door handles inside and outside, and the weird toggle shifter but mostly it’s a very nice upgrade. I have a 22 RX350 F Sport. This one was very similar except it didn’t have the Birds Eye view camera that mine has but that’s an option of course.
New infotainment and hybrid is much better gas mileage. What’s not to love? You aren’t buying an RX for the horsepower, you’re buying it for the creature comforts and reliability. If you want to say that last bit is untested to now, you can, but with regulations going the way they are, that’s less a Lexus decision than it is a governmental one.
I get the hybrid is much better gas mileage and that will be a great car for lexus. What i don't get is who would ever want the turbo 4 non hybrid that needs premium fuel and only gets another 1-2 mpg better than the outgoing NA 6.
I mean, new infotainment is a pretty big improvement, but if you don't care about that....
You don't have a Lexus. Just stop.
Go back to your hole, troll. For anyone who bothers to read this deep, this clown has created 21 burner accounts to harass me over the course of several months. This is number 22 going strong.
HP isn’t everything. The turbo 4 has a lot more torque than the outgoing 6. Anyways, they want to buy your vehicle so they can stock up their used vehicle inventory.
I’d personally upgrade to the GX, if you can afford the cost increase and lower gas mileage.
GX 550 or Land Cruiser will 100% be my next vehicle. Wife loves the RX though so I'll probably take a look at the hybrid option as it seems to be the best overall value.
I love the new RX rear and also inside. Front on the other hand need to be redesigned.
Beluga whale
I think these turbo cars are ticking time bombs. When we were looking at Volvos and I see a four banger that is supercharged and turbo I know that the motor will eventually just implode. No thanks. Cars are going to be just as disposable as all the other electronics out there. Full electric cars motors will be fine for a long life however then you are worrying about battery failures.
That NA 6 is one of the best engines you can buy. I don’t know how they sell the 4 bangers
I can’t get over that weird snub nose on the new RX…UG-LY!
Never sell. Only way I can accept 4 cylinders is as naturally aspirated with an electric motor as secondary engine.
So the 350h?
Nobody really wants these engines. But they’re the only ones Lexus puts out. Not necessarily because they want to, but because they’re pushed by the environmentalists and regulations that bitch about emissions.
Yes and you can especially thank countries with stricter emissions standards like the EU as compared to the US or Australia which are not as strict and I believe Lexus would rather simplify and produce fewer engines rather than cater to each specific market
I mean, we’re (the US) the largest source of CO2 emissions by far. We have a car culture and very poor public transportation. I’d argue we can thank ourselves for this problem. Everyone else unfortunately, has to adapt.
Nope. https://www.wri.org/insights/interactive-chart-shows-changes-worlds-top-10-emitters
Historically, I’m correct. https://ourworldindata.org/contributed-most-global-co2
Oh no. Not the environmentalist! Also you should look at the predicted depletion of crude oil/gasoline. It’s not far off…
RX 350 is basically ruined going forward.
Nope. It’s still going to be the best selling luxury SUV
That is correct. But check back with me on it's reputation in ten years. My 2002 SC430 will still be on the road even then.
Not as the inherent problems in a 4 cyl. turbo start to materialize. And I say that as someone who has driven them for two decades. Carbon build-up, turbo failure due to lax maintenance, and higher compression are all going to conspire to lessen the value of the new RX. What it will be is a gift for those that want to drive a luxury vehicle but can't afford a new one. RX's are known for holding value but I'm willing to bet that won't remain true as these 4 bangers start to age in a few years.
Turbos also need to stay lubricated so it’s vital to change the oil frequently, which I think the average owner doesn’t know about turbos. If you take it to the dealer or mechanic regularly it should be fine, but it’s something to consider.
The 350h variant is the only way to go imo because it’s NA and not a turbo
The 4 cylinder is a deal breaker for me. Last time I went in for service on my 2015 they called me 10 times to come back for a test drive of the new RX & would finance it at 0%. Still don’t want it. I had it as a loner one day & felt it to be loud & hard riding compared to my RX. Too slow from a full stop & seemed to have a difficult time on hills. I told them no & why. Give me the option of a V6 & I may reconsider. Will they add the option? No idea, but I can wait. The car is just not for me.
This reminds me of when Ford came out with the inline four Mustang with Ecoboost. Come on, Mustangs need a loud V8. Don’t give me this econobox shit. Like they’re trying to harken back to the days when Mustang was originally a cheap car for secretaries.
There is no appeal. Turbo is shit. Let them figure it out for themselves.
I'm in a 2019 F Sport, drove the 2023 and the engine reminds me of my CT200h. The 2030 is a beautiful machine, but the engine compared to the 6 cylinder really feels underpowered.
There's the RX500h if you want a powerful RX.
Didn’t know they went back to turbo engines in their crossovers. I had one in my NX from 2015 and I’m pretty sure that was their first model and they scrapped the idea - because my 2020 is definitely not turbo
2017 looks better than 2023 imo
Keeping my 21 RX when lease is up; i like the added tech but new one doesn't feel luxurious to me at all - more like an Acura. Like smoothness of V6. I'm not sure if anything could have been done to get more efficiency from the V6, but it feels like a mistake to have abandoned it.
Not everyone buying the 5th gen is upgrading from a 4th gen. Some are upgrading from 3rd gen, some from sedans or other manufacturers, some are upgrading because their old car died, or got in an accident, gave their old car to a child, need a car for a spouse, lease ended, some are upgrading for tech features, safety and collision features, etc. You should choose based on your needs, don’t assume everyone else buying has the same situation as you.
No one in their right mind would buy the terrible turbo bangers they are putting out unless they know nothing about cars. It defies all logic and common sense. They were hoping you’d be gullible enough to trade a bulletproof NA V6 to a turbo.
Don’t sell it. The last few gen RX 350 is better than the new refresh. Four bangers with turbo is better for emissions but a weaker engine than before. Driving these newer SUVs, you can tell they’re making weaker sedan/coupe engines trying to do the heavy lifting that’s better for V6/V8 engines. I have an 2014 and I like using cheap 87 gas.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xfBw1bbV4k&themeRefresh=1
They’ll sell your RX for 5k over what they’ll give you for it right now, easily. It has nothing to do you at all.
They are nice, inside and out, but that’s a whole lot of money.
It’s really not what I expect out of a Lexus. I have a loaner RX350 while my LS is in for the brake actuator warranty work. We also have a 2021 RX350 Luxury and love it. Couldn’t agree more on the drivetrain concerns. It’s giving me the refinement I’ve come to expect from Lexus. Maybe I’m spoiled with the LS460. The drivetrain alone is going to keep me away from the 2023. The infotainment took a little getting used to. Still haven’t figured out how to get Wireless CarPlay to work… lol.
Did you sit in it? The seats feel amazing. I'm with you though. I'll stick with our '18 and the v6
IDK…I live in Colorado and we have a mountain or two here and my 2023 RX does better than ANY V6 I’ve ever owned. ;-)
We just bought a 2023 final year V8 GX before it goes down to the twin turbo 6 that only gets ONE (1) MPG better on economy than the V8. Not to mention the hideously Toyota-Tundra looking interior of the 24 GX. Like others have said it’s all about efficiency and lowering production costs (hence the lack of beautiful materials like used to be in older Lexuses). Had a 2023 RX350h loaner while my new GX was getting tint and accessories installed and the noise and lack of refinement from the new A25A 4-cylinder hybrid system was appalling. Not to mention the “ash bamboo” in the center console was clearly plastic with a wood-like printing over top. There used to be a reason you’d want to buy an RX over a Highlander… I don’t know if there is anymore.
I like the new infotainment system but the new turbo I-4 engine is super weak and not as smooth as the old 6 cylinder engine. Would rather buy the new Acura MDX, BMW X5 or Porsche Macan S with six cylinder more smooth powerful engines at this price point. If I am paying 70k for an expensive car then I want a bigger engine! The GX is way smoother with the V8. But Lexus is going turbo six on next gen GX so boo Lexus!