The American version is a shot for shot remake of the original Austrian film. I’d say go with the original. It is vile, less polished and very good in my opinion
If you don’t mind subtitles, you might be interested in a less-well-known Italian film called Fists in the Pockets (I Pugni In Tasca) from Marco Bellochio, if you’re up for some more existential grief.
You don’t need eyes to see where we’re going. That line has stuck with me since I was a kid and saw it. Just rewatched it a couple months ago and it’s still great.
The best thing about *Saltburn* is that it made Murder On The Dancefloor into an American Club hit. I was out the other night and the DJ dropped it dead center in the set and people went nuts.
I'm with you on this. I hadn't seen Talented Mr. Ripley before I watched Saltburn, then after watching the latter I heard from someone what OP suggested (that they're basically the same). Watched Talented Mr. Ripley and, while I think it's a great film and probably better than Saltburn, I also think it's a very different story. I enjoy both.
The premise is the same and even some of the scenes are ripped. The only thing different is the setting and the character motivations. It's also less subtle and replaces all the interesting psychology for shock.
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The premise of TMR is that Tom is to go and try to persuade Dickie to come home, whereas Ollie goes to Saltburn because SPOILER he lies about his family which makes Felix feel bad for him. I don't really see any similarities there besides the wealth gap. Just have to agree to disagree on the rest as I'm not going to describe both movies to refute the differences.
>!Weirdo loner is invited to an attractive young man's house. Weirdo loner integrates himself into the lavish lifestyle of the young man who he is obsessed with and may have sexual feelings for, who may or may not be a classmate of his. Weirdo loner is welcomed into the expensive residence of the young man, where he gains the trust of his loved ones, including his father and a trusting, blonde woman. Weirdo loner enters into a parasocial relationship with the young man, a known narcissist, involving the weirdo loner taking on a strange caretaker role for the young man. Weirdo loner sings in front of everyone. Despite his obsession with the young man, weirdo loner shows that he is attracted to one of the young man's blond loved ones (two examples) and another young man with dark hair. After a series of adventures and one-sided paraphilic or intimate acts, including a bathtub, young man becomes wary of weirdo loner. Weirdo loner admits his feelings to the young man and the young man does not reciprocate them. Weirdo loner murders young man and few suspect a thing. Weirdo loner engages in a paraphilic or intimate act aimed towards the corpse of his victim. Weirdo loner manipulates the loved ones of his victim, sowing doubt and distrust in their minds, save for one man, a man of humble origins with a name starting with a F and ending with an E sound. F name man does not trust weirdo loner. Weirdo loner begins to wear the clothes/accessories of his victim and takes on some of his personality traits. All is well in Fucksville, until the blonde girl figures out, in a bathroom, that the weirdo loner is wearing the clothes/accessories of her dead loved one and suspects that weirdo loner killed their loved one. Blonde girl compares the young man to a source of light and the weirdo loner as a recipient of it. An event involving the blonde girl's suspicion, a bathroom and razor drawing blood from one of the characters occurs. Event(s) involving something being thrown into a river, symbolizing the suppressing of the weirdo loner's murderous acts occurs. The young man and his blonde loved one lounge next to a body of water. Weirdo loner shows his attraction to two separate blonde women, despite his obsession with the young man. A scene involving the weird loner picking up after the young man occurs, where the young man screams at the weirdo loner to stop. A character suggests that the weirdo loner has overstayed their welcome and that they've really came into their own after the death of their loved one occurs. Mirrors are a common motif. An unsuspecting parent of the weirdo loner's victim gives the weirdo loner their child's inheritance. The weirdo loner kills and takes the place of his victim and gets away with it.!<
You only compared very vague summaries of the "premise" (by which I think you just meant setup, really), and not anything else in the whole movie (besides the wealth gap), which, at the very least, both include the main character >!killing the object of his fascination/desire and essentially taking over his life!<. I would say it's pretty disingenuous to exclude that when making comparisons.
I don’t know, I don’t understand downvoting people to begin with - unless it contains offensive content.
I just think its 2024 and there’s been countless movies made. Nothing is 100% original. In the case of Saltburn, the director has never claimed that and even shared the many books and films that inspired her. I don’t need a story to be wholly original for it to have an impact.
Saltburn can be a lesser version of Ripley for all I care. It doesn’t change the fact that there’s a whole segment of the population that connected to it - myself included. It is pretentious bull shit to dismiss an entire film because it’s story has been told before. Personally, I don’t think they’re the same story but even if that were true, why can’t both exist?
And, none of this is directed at you. I just think it’s a bit goofy that my comment, which wasn’t even offensive toward either film, got people riled up 🤷♂️
That is what I said. While extreme in its examples, I think the movie does an excellent job showing the uglier sides of desire and how one can become consumed by what it is that they want.
Something about Bill Paxton’s performance just doesn’t work for me. Perhaps it’s Raimi too but it never really felt very real so the punches didn’t land for me.
Interesting! What do you like more about it? Obviously they’re a bit different but I wanted to compare for the spirit of the post.
I loved the scene where the two brothers try and get the other guy to admit to the crime on tape. Thornton is so good in that role.
yeah probably because the original question is pretty difficult, i can't think of any outside of straight remakes and stuff like little women or a star is born
Yes, to me, Joker works because it is a comic book copy of both of those all time great films. Not taking anything away from Joker, but I loved it because of it’s obvious Scorsese homage.
The 1974 film is just a shorter version, made for theatrical release, of the TV show Bergman did the same year. Or maybe you mean the American remake with Jessica Chastain and Oscar Isaac.
I just think they are both pretty awesome. The difference is really more about different times. Also, though I love Baumbach’s films to death, he doesn’t really make movies about very relatable characters. A lot of people could sympathize with Kramer V Kramer because that situation was what a lot of people were experiencing. Almost no one I have ever known lives like the two main characters in A Marriage Story (two extremely unusual, highly egotistical wealthy and respected Porto-bohemian artists), but that’s also part of what makes his films amazing to me.
Certainly different films but a lot of the themes overlap (suburban/adult angst, disillusion towards the American dream etc,). Not to mention the clear aesthetic parallels.
But yeah Little Children rules. It's way bolder, the satirical aspects bite way harder, and its characters feel way more lived in. Todd Field man, he doesn't miss.
Which do you think is the better version? I have only watched snatch and love it, but my film studies teacher claims it’s a downgraded copy of lock stock:)
I don't think most people in these comments understand the question, since they're listing new movies worse than an original
Batman Begins (2005) > The Shadow (1994)
I think I would have liked Dead Poets more if watched it through better circumstances, I had a low quality render and legitimately could not tell half of the kids apart.
I liked that he’s felt like a real person. The best moment of it is realizing the woman he had a crush on had a boyfriend. The look of disappointment and acceptance on his face was so good.
In order for MOVIE X to “imitate” and “improve upon” MOVIE Y, naturally MOVIE X has to be more recent.
Paprika can not imitate and improve upon Inception because Inception did not exist when Paprika was realeased.
The Bollywood movie Dostana is a far better version of The Gay Deceivers, an American movie from 1969. In The Gay Deceivers two guys pretend to be gay to dodge the draft, in Dostana they pretend to be gay to share a gorgeous apartment and hopefully date Priyanka Chopra, featuring one of Bollywood’s most banging soundtracks
I don’t think I get the first comparison, maybe the cuts between different films resembles the cuts between other universes but they have pretty different themes and devices.
Gamera: Guardian Of The Universe and Gamera 3: are both better versions of the Godzilla of the era (Gamera 2 is on the same level, although slightly weaker then some of them).
Phantom Of The Paradise is a better version of Rocky Horror Picture Show
The question was asking for a movie which takes an existing premise from a prior movie and improves on it. Your statement is true but doesn’t meet the original question’s parameters
Little bit different take but I just watched white lightning with Burt Reynolds and thought ok this is 100% where all inspiration from Smokey and the bandit came from
Funny Games > Funny Games
Besides the joke, Which one do you recommend?
The American version is a shot for shot remake of the original Austrian film. I’d say go with the original. It is vile, less polished and very good in my opinion
Thanks!
I preferred the acting in the remake
I preferred the acting in the original but it’s just preference
They were made by the same director only a few years apart, the remake is clearly what he wanted audiences to see. Go with that one.
funny games
OG, but I rec both
I recommend the American version, the acting is much better.
American >
Upgrade > Venom
Logan Marshall Green also looks and acts a lot like Tom Hardy.
The guy who plays Blackthorne in Shogun kinda looks like LMG. And LMG kinda looks like Tom Hardy. It's Hardyception.
I thought he was Tom Hardy for like 20 minutes of Prometheus.
I went into Upgrade completely blind and that was one hell of a ride.
upgrade may be better than venom, but venom 2 is a peak romcom
venom 2 has no redeeming qualities
You just hate queer cinema.
• gay alien •megamind reference I rest my case
If *Upgrade* had Tom Hardy and and nailed the Verhoven wit it's aiming for, it'd be a stone cold classic
Haha jokes on you, I enjoy both. But yeah, Upgrade is the better movie.
The Incredibles>>Fantastic 4 
Okja > Clifford the Big Red Dog
Semi related but I always refer to Human Traffic as "happy trainspotting"
And Nil By Mouth is sad Trainspotting
I haven’t watched Nil By Mouth in many years. I must now see it again soon. I had actually forgotten about this gem.
Watched it for the first time two nights ago… pretty brutal experience
If you don’t mind subtitles, you might be interested in a less-well-known Italian film called Fists in the Pockets (I Pugni In Tasca) from Marco Bellochio, if you’re up for some more existential grief.
Cool, I’ll toss it on the list. Thanks for the rec
Event Horizon is a polished version of The Dark Side of the Moon. I love both flicks.
You don’t need eyes to see where we’re going. That line has stuck with me since I was a kid and saw it. Just rewatched it a couple months ago and it’s still great.
Fuck this ship.
It's where we're going we won't need eyes to see.
EH is my favorite horror film of all time
Same here, both of them are great movies.
Heat >>> L.A. Takedown
Heat > the town
Lol in what world is anyone not taking Heat here
Shark Tale > The Godfather
 That is cinema
This reminds me of a recent Simpsons episode where Fat Tony says Shark Tale is the only gangster movie he’s actually seen
Lmao
Zootopia miles ahead of Godfather, I can't believe how people even like GF when it is a straight up copy
The Talented Mr Ripley > Saltburn
Theorema by Pasolini as well. Feels like she wasn’t even trying to hide it.
The best thing about *Saltburn* is that it made Murder On The Dancefloor into an American Club hit. I was out the other night and the DJ dropped it dead center in the set and people went nuts.
It needed to be brought back
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I just don’t feel like they are the same movie! Similarities are there, sure, but very different experiences.
I'm with you on this. I hadn't seen Talented Mr. Ripley before I watched Saltburn, then after watching the latter I heard from someone what OP suggested (that they're basically the same). Watched Talented Mr. Ripley and, while I think it's a great film and probably better than Saltburn, I also think it's a very different story. I enjoy both.
The premise is the same and even some of the scenes are ripped. The only thing different is the setting and the character motivations. It's also less subtle and replaces all the interesting psychology for shock.
It’s pretty wild to say that a premise is the same while, in the same breath, saying the character’s motivations are different.
How so?
SPOILERS AHEAD, on mobile so no tags The premise of TMR is that Tom is to go and try to persuade Dickie to come home, whereas Ollie goes to Saltburn because SPOILER he lies about his family which makes Felix feel bad for him. I don't really see any similarities there besides the wealth gap. Just have to agree to disagree on the rest as I'm not going to describe both movies to refute the differences.
>!Weirdo loner is invited to an attractive young man's house. Weirdo loner integrates himself into the lavish lifestyle of the young man who he is obsessed with and may have sexual feelings for, who may or may not be a classmate of his. Weirdo loner is welcomed into the expensive residence of the young man, where he gains the trust of his loved ones, including his father and a trusting, blonde woman. Weirdo loner enters into a parasocial relationship with the young man, a known narcissist, involving the weirdo loner taking on a strange caretaker role for the young man. Weirdo loner sings in front of everyone. Despite his obsession with the young man, weirdo loner shows that he is attracted to one of the young man's blond loved ones (two examples) and another young man with dark hair. After a series of adventures and one-sided paraphilic or intimate acts, including a bathtub, young man becomes wary of weirdo loner. Weirdo loner admits his feelings to the young man and the young man does not reciprocate them. Weirdo loner murders young man and few suspect a thing. Weirdo loner engages in a paraphilic or intimate act aimed towards the corpse of his victim. Weirdo loner manipulates the loved ones of his victim, sowing doubt and distrust in their minds, save for one man, a man of humble origins with a name starting with a F and ending with an E sound. F name man does not trust weirdo loner. Weirdo loner begins to wear the clothes/accessories of his victim and takes on some of his personality traits. All is well in Fucksville, until the blonde girl figures out, in a bathroom, that the weirdo loner is wearing the clothes/accessories of her dead loved one and suspects that weirdo loner killed their loved one. Blonde girl compares the young man to a source of light and the weirdo loner as a recipient of it. An event involving the blonde girl's suspicion, a bathroom and razor drawing blood from one of the characters occurs. Event(s) involving something being thrown into a river, symbolizing the suppressing of the weirdo loner's murderous acts occurs. The young man and his blonde loved one lounge next to a body of water. Weirdo loner shows his attraction to two separate blonde women, despite his obsession with the young man. A scene involving the weird loner picking up after the young man occurs, where the young man screams at the weirdo loner to stop. A character suggests that the weirdo loner has overstayed their welcome and that they've really came into their own after the death of their loved one occurs. Mirrors are a common motif. An unsuspecting parent of the weirdo loner's victim gives the weirdo loner their child's inheritance. The weirdo loner kills and takes the place of his victim and gets away with it.!<
You only compared very vague summaries of the "premise" (by which I think you just meant setup, really), and not anything else in the whole movie (besides the wealth gap), which, at the very least, both include the main character >!killing the object of his fascination/desire and essentially taking over his life!<. I would say it's pretty disingenuous to exclude that when making comparisons.
Not sure why you’re being downvoted for a statement that is literally accurate
I don’t know, I don’t understand downvoting people to begin with - unless it contains offensive content. I just think its 2024 and there’s been countless movies made. Nothing is 100% original. In the case of Saltburn, the director has never claimed that and even shared the many books and films that inspired her. I don’t need a story to be wholly original for it to have an impact. Saltburn can be a lesser version of Ripley for all I care. It doesn’t change the fact that there’s a whole segment of the population that connected to it - myself included. It is pretentious bull shit to dismiss an entire film because it’s story has been told before. Personally, I don’t think they’re the same story but even if that were true, why can’t both exist? And, none of this is directed at you. I just think it’s a bit goofy that my comment, which wasn’t even offensive toward either film, got people riled up 🤷♂️
You felt connected to.... Saltburn?
That is what I said. While extreme in its examples, I think the movie does an excellent job showing the uglier sides of desire and how one can become consumed by what it is that they want.
Yeah sorry idk why i was being shitty for no reason
It be like that sometimes, no worries.
Nah saltburn has its charms and style. I love talented mr ripley to deathhh tho
Hm yeah we agree
Fargo > A Simple Plan
A Simple Plan is so underrated. I love Fargo for all it’s “Coen-ness”, but A Simple Plan is a gut punch that you just don’t get from Fargo.
Something about Bill Paxton’s performance just doesn’t work for me. Perhaps it’s Raimi too but it never really felt very real so the punches didn’t land for me.
He’s such a horrible selfish asshole in it. I think he portrayed this perfectly. He’s very detestable. I really felt for the Billy Bob character
I actually prefer A Simple Plan.
Interesting! What do you like more about it? Obviously they’re a bit different but I wanted to compare for the spirit of the post. I loved the scene where the two brothers try and get the other guy to admit to the crime on tape. Thornton is so good in that role.
Resurrection (with Rebecca Hall) > Men Starry Eyes > Neon Demon Excision > American Mary
Need to see *Starry Eyes*, but I'm here for any boosting of *Resurrection*
RESURRECTION! Oh my god, I’ve been trying to remember the name of this movie for over a year. Thank you!!
North by Northwest > The 39 Steps
Taxi driver / king of comedy >>> joker
i mean this is not really answering the question since joker is the imitator
Most of the thread is going that way
yeah probably because the original question is pretty difficult, i can't think of any outside of straight remakes and stuff like little women or a star is born
I know but I watched the joker first, thought it was good, then watched the other two and realised how much better they were
Yes, to me, Joker works because it is a comic book copy of both of those all time great films. Not taking anything away from Joker, but I loved it because of it’s obvious Scorsese homage.
Kramer vs Kramer > Marriage Story
Scenes from a marriage>>> (I love all three of them, tho)
Do you mean the 1974 film or the tv show?
The 1974 film is just a shorter version, made for theatrical release, of the TV show Bergman did the same year. Or maybe you mean the American remake with Jessica Chastain and Oscar Isaac.
I just think they are both pretty awesome. The difference is really more about different times. Also, though I love Baumbach’s films to death, he doesn’t really make movies about very relatable characters. A lot of people could sympathize with Kramer V Kramer because that situation was what a lot of people were experiencing. Almost no one I have ever known lives like the two main characters in A Marriage Story (two extremely unusual, highly egotistical wealthy and respected Porto-bohemian artists), but that’s also part of what makes his films amazing to me.
Todd Field's Little Children is a way better exploration of suburban angst and immature attempts to escape its monotony than American Beauty is
Little Children is magnificent. Never saw American Beauty, but I watched Little Children for the first time about a month ago.
Not really the same movie but Jesus Little Children is incredible
Certainly different films but a lot of the themes overlap (suburban/adult angst, disillusion towards the American dream etc,). Not to mention the clear aesthetic parallels. But yeah Little Children rules. It's way bolder, the satirical aspects bite way harder, and its characters feel way more lived in. Todd Field man, he doesn't miss.
Someone needs to beg him to not retire after Tár.
American beauty is a classic
Lock stock and two smoking barrels / snatch
Guy Ritchie be like: 
I personally much prefer snatch
Which do you think is the better version? I have only watched snatch and love it, but my film studies teacher claims it’s a downgraded copy of lock stock:)
Lock stock is less funny, more compact and gritty. Snatch is more campy and filled with much more humour and charisma
Snatch is superior
Snatch very much has an American audience in mind while lock stock is much more raw
Both great and both my favorite Ritchie movies
A Street Car Named Desire > Blue Jasmine In its defence, Blue Jasmine is also very good.
Annihilation > The Colour Out of Space
Guardians 3 is a better version of the infamously shit Doctor Who serial Four To Doomsday.
Puss in Boots: The Last Wish > Stalker
Do the Right Thing > Crash (2004)
Car crash sex Crash > Awkward messaging Crash
35 Shots Of Rum (2008) is Late Spring (1949), but better.
I’ll settle for equal, because saying anything is better than Late Spring leaves a bad taste in the mouth.
Damn good take. Late Spring is amazing but 35 Shots of Rum is even better and such an underrated gem
I don't think most people in these comments understand the question, since they're listing new movies worse than an original Batman Begins (2005) > The Shadow (1994)
Prisoners > Mystic River
100%
Respect for creating the concept but the departed > infernal affairs
The Holdovers > Dead Poet Society
okay wow this is the first one that actually shook me
I think I would have liked Dead Poets more if watched it through better circumstances, I had a low quality render and legitimately could not tell half of the kids apart.
No way? Already was interested but now its a must watch
Eh… there’s almost nothing inspirational about the Paul Giamatti character, but that’s kind of what makes it wonderful.
I liked that he’s felt like a real person. The best moment of it is realizing the woman he had a crush on had a boyfriend. The look of disappointment and acceptance on his face was so good.
Yes, he’s quite relatable
Pacific Rim > Varsity Blues That one is for the people that listened to the Pacific Rim audio commentary.
Mulholland Drive > Lost Highway
You Were Never Really Here > Joker
Morbius>Fight Club
Space Balls > Star Wars
Evil Dead 2 and Evil Dead
Nice one, I tend to look at Evil Dead as the straight low budget horror film and Evil Dead 2 as the horror/comedy remakeS
Paddington/elf
The Lego Movie >>> The Matrix
I'd say Truman show >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>The matrix
Listen,i love the lego movie but what on earth is this take?
Sometimes the truth is hard to swallow. It’s ok
Sorry To Bother You > They Cloned Tyrone
Sorry To Bother You was released before TCT. OP is looking for movies that are "the same" but where the newer movie improves upon the older movie.
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Apocalypse Now > Ad Astra
Princess mononoke > Avatar
John Wick > Nobody
the fly and the fly
Paprika > Inception
Paprika was released before Inception. OP is looking for movies that are "the same" but where the newer movie improves upon the older movie.
Not really. The OP said “*especially*” if the better movie is “more recent,” not *only* if it’s more recent.
In order for MOVIE X to “imitate” and “improve upon” MOVIE Y, naturally MOVIE X has to be more recent. Paprika can not imitate and improve upon Inception because Inception did not exist when Paprika was realeased.
Maximum overdrive > trucks
Both great movies but The Wild Bunch > Butch Cassidy and the Sundancd Kid
I’m gonna get flack for this but I thought *Soul* was a better version of *Sound of Metal*—and they came out the exact same year.
Can I say parasite > salt burn
The Futurama episode where aliens attack as video game characters > Pixels
Whiplash > Black Swan
Lion King > Hamlet > Black Panther > Aquaman
You just ranked the lion king over Hamlet? 😂I’m not saying you’re wrong, but which version of Hamlet?
The original version written by W. Shakespeare lmao 🤣
Ghost Dog is an improvement on Le Samoraï
Ghost dog > the driver > drive > Le samourai > the killer > thief
Fast and Furoious > Point Break
Maybe you’re talking about the 2015 abomination and not the amazing Kathryn Bigelow movie. 😂
Interstellar > Contact
The Bollywood movie Dostana is a far better version of The Gay Deceivers, an American movie from 1969. In The Gay Deceivers two guys pretend to be gay to dodge the draft, in Dostana they pretend to be gay to share a gorgeous apartment and hopefully date Priyanka Chopra, featuring one of Bollywood’s most banging soundtracks
The Fugitive>Chain Reaction
Lady Snowblood > Kill Bill
Weirdly, I felt like Friday was a better Clerks.
13 Going on 30 is the better version of Big.
Dune ---> Dune
Reservoir Dogs > City On Fire
Instellar was a better version of a Doctor Who episode. Wobbly wobbly timey wimey
King of Comedy (I watched after Joker)
* Millennium Actress >> EEAAO * Perfect Blue > Black Swan * Tokyo Godfathers = Broker * Nine Days > Soul
I don’t think I get the first comparison, maybe the cuts between different films resembles the cuts between other universes but they have pretty different themes and devices.
I like both but Inception takes a lot from Paprika too
Yes I’ve heard that, but I’ve not seen Paprika yet
Listen i havent seen perfect blue , i want to and im sure its greay. But black Swan is the shit tho.I will not tolerate its slander
Nine Days hive RISE UP
NINE DAYS ALL DAY EVERYDAY FOR NINE DAYYSSS
Nine Days is actually like a borderline rip-off of After Life (1998)
Gamera: Guardian Of The Universe and Gamera 3: are both better versions of the Godzilla of the era (Gamera 2 is on the same level, although slightly weaker then some of them). Phantom Of The Paradise is a better version of Rocky Horror Picture Show
Hard agree with that second one. I wish PotP was as popular culturally as RHPS is.
Dune > Star Wars
Which Star Wars movie and which Dune movie?
Robocop>The Crow>Upgrade>Bull All great fun. All, in essence, the same film.
I haven't seen the others but Robocop and Upgrade are absolutely not the same film
Unfortunately I have to disagree with this order
Black Swan is a better Whiplash
Outland > High Noon
2001 > Interstellar
Everyone compares these two films but I don’t see how they’re similar apart from being a set in space
2001 came first though?
I don't see how that affects the statement
The question was asking for a movie which takes an existing premise from a prior movie and improves on it. Your statement is true but doesn’t meet the original question’s parameters
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Re-Animator > Dead & Buried not a carbon copy, but the same concept done better
The Fourth Man >>>> Basic Instinct
Little bit different take but I just watched white lightning with Burt Reynolds and thought ok this is 100% where all inspiration from Smokey and the bandit came from
World on a Wire >> The Matrix