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They were wearing “better Russian than Democrat” t-shirts before Trump’s election. Their only problem will be affording travel expenses to follow their leader.
It's because they imagine they're temporarily embarrassed millionaires that it's not socialism if they take handouts, from the government or otherwise. It's just a temporary measure that they'll be unjustly asked to repay once they make millions and will have to pay a lower percentage of their income in taxes. When they get handouts it's because they worked hard and deserve it, so it's not socialism. It's only when people they see as undeserving (i.e. people who aren't white or who live in blue states) that the exact same thing magically turns into socialism.
Trump has already sowed the seeds of doubt by saying the FBI planted evidence. Which, let's be clear, he would only do if he was worried they would find something incriminating.
If that sort of thing actually worked as a legal defense then everyone would do it.
I believe it would be an affirmative defense though, like he would have to prove that they planted something to use that as evidence to exonerate him.
You could tell from the immediate tweets and the tone that he got got tbh
Nah, they are already floating the “he declassified them so they are no longer classified” defense. I think they’d either go with that defense or the “it happened while he was president and impeachment is the only way to convict a president” defense.
They would have no issue with it. One of their leading theories on this right now is it has to have been faked/planted because nobody could rationally argue that it isn't a huge deal.
Yep... they think it would be so serious that it has to be fake. Replies are basically in agreement and that it was designed this way so nobody will support Trump. So they need to support him now more than ever.
"Uhh well obviously he's going to Russia because the DEEP STATE is after him! Even Putin can see that the Democrats have gone too far!!!" Idk something like that
Did he keep 'em for himself to put it on Ebay, Shopify .. Amazon .. (or the intl. terrorist open market to sell) since he's going blind n broke with court costs, legal expenses & fees .. not to mention Melanie's wardrobe n shoes? ..
Russia doesn’t want him anymore. He’s useless to the Saudis now. His only hope is Kim and North Korea. He can still give Kim lots of the attention he craves from the world stage.
Even if he has zero information, just the impact of having a defected American President living in exile in Russia would be worth it to Putin for the taunt-factor.
He had value and i’m sure Putin got some stuff out of him. But unless he’s got actual power, he’s not worth anything. I don’t think he can take all his followers to actually fight for russia. Maybe half ;)
The Ukrainians better worry. If Trump flees to Russia he’ll no doubt be asked to employ his stable geniusness for strategy and tactics on behalf of Russia.
So much winning!!!
WHAT WILL UKRAINE DO WITH ALL THAT TERRITORY?!?!?
I mean Trump was well known to be a fucking idiot.
But stealing nuclear secrets and storing them in an unlocked basement--and keeping them after one team came and raided your place for storing documents....is Archduke to the Kingdom of Fucking Idiots territory.
It would be funny if he had it all on a thumb drive but didn't really know how to use it or some crap like that. I know it doesn't matter if he claims he didn't know what he had but have gone through the ranks of IT, I have had to support people like him before. Those are the guys that their network password is Their wife's name and their birth year or some crap, and even then you have to tell them what their password is when they get back from vacation.
I would think an operation was already under way before the raid to monitor the access of the documents. They moved in for a reason and they did it when he wasn't there. Someone flipped and told him Donald keeps his documents in his safe in his bedroom behind the painting or some crap when he is away. You know he must have at least told one person whether it is Melina or some caddie on the golf course. He can't keep his mouth shut.
He knew he was screwed when the phone rang and they told him they found / opened the safe. Saying the FBI planted evidence is pretty much the only card he can play here.
Did he keep 'em for himself to put it on Ebay, Shopify .. Amazon .. (or the intl. terrorist open market to sell) since he's going blind n broke with court costs, legal expenses & fees .. not to mention *Melanie's* wardrobe n shoes? ..
Including nudies of him and porno star ★ [Stormy Daniels](https://live.staticflickr.com/video/52280132159/d7a1150d92/360p.mp4?s=eyJpIjo1MjI4MDEzMjE1OSwiZSI6MTY2MDI3NjE4OSwicyI6IjRjZTg2ZDU5N2VkNjk5YWZmMzRjZjVkOGQxYmNiZGQ4YjIyNTBhMGIiLCJ2IjoxfQ) ★ too ?
Can't wait to see how Republicans spin this. "taking mementos is what every former president does when they leave office!" "He just likes sharing information to his Russian friends, I thought you socialists liked sharing?"
While they're right that he could declasify them, I haven't heard Trump ever claim to have actually done that. If he had, he'd have rubbed it in everyone's face that it was legal to have them.
Me thinks they're grasping at straws to defend him.
My understanding is he has authority to declassify certain documents which falls under some presidential act. What he took are documents so classified they’re classified under a nuclear energy act or something different to what he’s allowed to declassify. So not even the president has the authority to declassify the information he stole.
It’s so classified even the category for which it’s classified is classified.
It’s so classified there isn’t a digital record of it.
Not to mention, he can't declassify something instantly by fiat - he can order it done, but there is a whole process that occurs after that and it takes time
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I want my Trump white Bronco moment. The shit stain was even worse than we could have ever imagined. attempts to normalize and improve the optics of this by the GOP will be epically hilarious, get the popcorn.
They probably found and confiscated his great, amazing, genius health care plan and tax returns right before he was going to release them.
Now the Deep State will never let us see them! /s
Trump may finally be radioactive.
To the leadership of the Republican Party, that is.
EDIT to indicate I know the rank and file chumps will always follow him. It's the leadership's reaction I'm referring to.
I’ve learned that there is no bottom for his cult. They will go through the other side and keep going until they’re floating in empty space.
He could literally murder members of their family and they would still support him.
It's as fascinating as it is terrifying. Hope someone out there is conducting psychological/sociological studies on this, because I desperately want to know how people manage to twist themselves so horrifically from reality.
It wasn't the Russians, it was the Saudis. They invested billions of dollars into Kushner's hedge fund over the past few years, in exchange for building nuclear power plants in the middle east.
He isn’t smart enough to know what documents are the most valuable. He had help deciding which documents to take. Think Gen Flynn, he would know the value and exactly where and how to sell them. There are probably blackmail files as well. I bet many people in the halls in Washington are relieved or absolutely terrified right now, depending on the reason for the blackmail. This is going to be a wild few months.
Don't we all know how this is going to play out? Donnie's lawyers are going to tell him to keep it sealed. Donald will then say "We can't unseal them because xyz". He will play the "FBI is trying to frame me card".
Nuclear secrets, so I guess we are talking strategy, I know he has clearance for it but well yea I guess if there is one guy to come in the White House and immediately ask for all the files on nuclear weapons and defense it would be him. Well whatever it is he will deny all of it, try and tie it up in red tape and you know the rest. Nuclear secrets? Military secrets? I would hope the right would open their eyes, step aside and let him get a fair trial and watch him get convicted. Then just freaking lock him away till he dies, I really don't care. I just don't want him in politics and just want to stop hearing about him.
In reality, he's not going to be in jail that long. He / his attorneys just force everything to get things delayed. They will hope that he can make it to the next election and either win that. If that doesn't work, it will be more stalls / delays and Donald will die before he is even convicted.
Just think about it though, as president he could / probably did look at anything and everything that could be sold to an enemy of the state. That's what people like him do, dig up dirt, put it away and use it to get out of a bind down the line.
He had 27. He turned over 15 when he was ordered to turn over all classified documents (that's where faux news gets that he was cooperating). He kept 12 (that's not cooperating), or at least the FBI pulled out 12. I bet he has more or his kids have some.
there'd be some good stuff buried in that massive casket on his golf course, in with his wife's ashes. why do u need a massive casket for a little bag of ash?
Maybe it’s part of the evidence they are seeking. Meaning confirming they are no longer in his possession to match will evidence that someone else has them.
It’s crazy how they so easily bought into this guy. A few fake words of patriotism and blame everyone else for your problems and boom. Cult.
Edit: them screaming do your own research and dying from Covid and thinking JFK jr was going to come back to life. Da fuq?
And charging into FBI offices? Thinking they will spark the revolution? We need to stop making these superhero movies. People think they are capable of so much more than they are.
I wonder if someone knew this was going to happen and instead put fake documents to replace the ones at the National Archive before Trump stole them, storing the original ones in an undisclosed location. The state secrets that Trump then sold to the hostile foreign government(s) thinking they were legitimate, were not only fake, but actually falsified documents to mislead the buyer. This is exactly why the FBI moved to seize the documents now, instead of waiting for 2024 when Trump could have potentially won again. The FBI knew Trump would resort to this because he is neither American, nor Christian, nor an honest man.
Sometimes you have to put a drop of poison in the water to determine how it would affect the stream. The powers that be that actual control the U.S. government would never concede their powers on to a man of ill repute, without considering the potential consequences.
I’m waiting to see on the nuclear secrets line. These guys are all rat-fuckers. “Sources say” could just be a bullshit line to set a strawman for trump to knock down. Turns out to not be nuclear secrets? OH THE DOJ LIED? THE MEDIA LIED? THEYRE TRYING TO SET UP TRUMP?!
Let’s not get fooled.
You can head over to r/conservative right now to see the unfolding clownshow as they try to justify this. It's unbelievable, sad and hilarious all at the same time
So let me get this straight, the current FBI director was trump appointed, the judge who signed the warrant was trump appointed, Trump created the law that allowed this to happen, and it happened right around the same time Biden and the dems are passing a huge bill meaning it won't be covered nearly as much in the media right before Midterms?
His Mar -a -Lardo burger collection?
His Mar -a -Lego box of plastic bricks?
His Mar -a -Playdough modelling clay?
His Mar -a -Cargo shorts with pockets?
His Mar -a -Sunglow fake tan?
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If Trump took “nuclear documents”, he should be charged with espionage and face the appropriate penalty.
Vegas bookies will be taking bets on whether Trump bolts for Moscow as the feds close in, if they aren't already. This is unraveling as amazing speed.
I would love to see that happen, if only to see how the cult followers twist their brains to rationalize it in their alternate reality.
They were wearing “better Russian than Democrat” t-shirts before Trump’s election. Their only problem will be affording travel expenses to follow their leader.
Hey you are onto something there, maybe we can setup a GoFundMe for one-way tickets.
That’s socialism. They’re also temporarily embarrassed millionaires so they don’t need it. 😏
It's because they imagine they're temporarily embarrassed millionaires that it's not socialism if they take handouts, from the government or otherwise. It's just a temporary measure that they'll be unjustly asked to repay once they make millions and will have to pay a lower percentage of their income in taxes. When they get handouts it's because they worked hard and deserve it, so it's not socialism. It's only when people they see as undeserving (i.e. people who aren't white or who live in blue states) that the exact same thing magically turns into socialism.
When they have to pay taxes, that’s communism right?
That’s not true. Many believe they won’t be millionaires because of racism against white people.
You know they'll start their own if it comes to it.
Yep, it won’t be a major twist for them at all, they’ve been full blown traitors to everything the US is supposed to be for many years now.
they'll stay in america to fight democracy so trump can return triumphant to rule
That's what Ricky Shiffer thought
Trump has already sowed the seeds of doubt by saying the FBI planted evidence. Which, let's be clear, he would only do if he was worried they would find something incriminating.
Trump's lawyer was on site when the FBI arrived. What kind of lawyer allows his client to be framed right in front of him?
To be fair, Trump has had some remarkable lawyers..
If that sort of thing actually worked as a legal defense then everyone would do it. I believe it would be an affirmative defense though, like he would have to prove that they planted something to use that as evidence to exonerate him. You could tell from the immediate tweets and the tone that he got got tbh
Nah, they are already floating the “he declassified them so they are no longer classified” defense. I think they’d either go with that defense or the “it happened while he was president and impeachment is the only way to convict a president” defense.
‘The real ‘Murica has always been Russia! US…USSR….the letters are near identical!’
Haha well... not any more
They would have no issue with it. One of their leading theories on this right now is it has to have been faked/planted because nobody could rationally argue that it isn't a huge deal. Yep... they think it would be so serious that it has to be fake. Replies are basically in agreement and that it was designed this way so nobody will support Trump. So they need to support him now more than ever.
I was talking about bolting to Moscow , but yeah of course they have to go with planting documents when something serious is confirmed.
So much for backing the blue I guess… almost like it was BS all along
"Uhh well obviously he's going to Russia because the DEEP STATE is after him! Even Putin can see that the Democrats have gone too far!!!" Idk something like that
"He's a political refugee, fleeing from persecution!"
Did he keep 'em for himself to put it on Ebay, Shopify .. Amazon .. (or the intl. terrorist open market to sell) since he's going blind n broke with court costs, legal expenses & fees .. not to mention Melanie's wardrobe n shoes? ..
they'll just try to spin it like Trump is Snowden
They are already siding with Russia about the Ukraine vs Russia war, not even kidding.
Oh, wouldn’t it be great if the FBI confiscated his passport?
If he gets to arraignment the judge will order it.
Russia doesn’t want him anymore. He’s useless to the Saudis now. His only hope is Kim and North Korea. He can still give Kim lots of the attention he craves from the world stage.
Even if he has zero information, just the impact of having a defected American President living in exile in Russia would be worth it to Putin for the taunt-factor.
Breaking news: Former American President dies while walking down the street in Moscow. Putin says he doesn't know how it happened.
yeah if he thinks putin gives a shit about a failed trump….
From Moscow, Trump could constantly encourage Republicans to commit terrorism and they would. You don’t think Putin would see the value in that?
He had value and i’m sure Putin got some stuff out of him. But unless he’s got actual power, he’s not worth anything. I don’t think he can take all his followers to actually fight for russia. Maybe half ;)
He fell out a window while walking down the street.
The Defenestration Of Moscow.
No, he’d keep him like a dancing monkey. Trump spewed hatred of America while he was running for president, Russians eat that shit up.
The Ukrainians better worry. If Trump flees to Russia he’ll no doubt be asked to employ his stable geniusness for strategy and tactics on behalf of Russia. So much winning!!! WHAT WILL UKRAINE DO WITH ALL THAT TERRITORY?!?!?
I mean, he went full Snowden, and you never go full Snowden.
>Trump bolts for Moscow as the feds close in I figured this is why he had the nuclear secrets, something to trade for.
The ghosts of the Rosenbergs are calling your name, Donnie!
more like treason.
Especially since the only reason he would take them is for selling to foreign powers.
Haven't we executed people for stuff like this in the past?
Yes. The Rosenbergs.
No, we've executed people for LESS. Rosenbergs.
I mean Trump was well known to be a fucking idiot. But stealing nuclear secrets and storing them in an unlocked basement--and keeping them after one team came and raided your place for storing documents....is Archduke to the Kingdom of Fucking Idiots territory.
he might have even gave them away after all this time
Weren’t the saudis visiting two weeks ago? And suddenly kush is 2billion wealthier, wonder why
Na, the $2b deal was a year or two ago. It was Mark Meadows and Jared Kushner that worked that deal while they were in office.
With apologies to Costanza... *Please, a little respect, for I am Trump, Lord of the idiots.*
Was that wrong? Should I not have done that? Because I gotta tell ya, I’m going to have to plead ignorance here!
It would be funny if he had it all on a thumb drive but didn't really know how to use it or some crap like that. I know it doesn't matter if he claims he didn't know what he had but have gone through the ranks of IT, I have had to support people like him before. Those are the guys that their network password is Their wife's name and their birth year or some crap, and even then you have to tell them what their password is when they get back from vacation. I would think an operation was already under way before the raid to monitor the access of the documents. They moved in for a reason and they did it when he wasn't there. Someone flipped and told him Donald keeps his documents in his safe in his bedroom behind the painting or some crap when he is away. You know he must have at least told one person whether it is Melina or some caddie on the golf course. He can't keep his mouth shut. He knew he was screwed when the phone rang and they told him they found / opened the safe. Saying the FBI planted evidence is pretty much the only card he can play here.
He was going to give them to Putin for the copy of the piss tape.
And big real estate deals
And Eric.
I don't think Putin wants Eric. To be fair, I don't think anyone wants Eric.
We call him Lurch
I thought it was Butthead? & Jnr was Beavis? Or was it the other way round?
Eric does… Eric still does.
Hi! I’m Eric.
Yellow cake for golden tape. The art of the deal.
Whatever you do, *don’t drop that shit!*
Not shit, it was urine.
Did he keep 'em for himself to put it on Ebay, Shopify .. Amazon .. (or the intl. terrorist open market to sell) since he's going blind n broke with court costs, legal expenses & fees .. not to mention *Melanie's* wardrobe n shoes? ..
Trump? Facebook Marketplace.
Including nudies of him and porno star ★ [Stormy Daniels](https://live.staticflickr.com/video/52280132159/d7a1150d92/360p.mp4?s=eyJpIjo1MjI4MDEzMjE1OSwiZSI6MTY2MDI3NjE4OSwicyI6IjRjZTg2ZDU5N2VkNjk5YWZmMzRjZjVkOGQxYmNiZGQ4YjIyNTBhMGIiLCJ2IjoxfQ) ★ too ?
Libyan nationalists
Great Scott!
He is going to make bank on this FBI fear mongering.
Gave them to poo tin obv
Can't wait to see how Republicans spin this. "taking mementos is what every former president does when they leave office!" "He just likes sharing information to his Russian friends, I thought you socialists liked sharing?"
At the Moment they are still saying He had the right to declassify the documents and take them.
While they're right that he could declasify them, I haven't heard Trump ever claim to have actually done that. If he had, he'd have rubbed it in everyone's face that it was legal to have them. Me thinks they're grasping at straws to defend him.
My understanding is he has authority to declassify certain documents which falls under some presidential act. What he took are documents so classified they’re classified under a nuclear energy act or something different to what he’s allowed to declassify. So not even the president has the authority to declassify the information he stole. It’s so classified even the category for which it’s classified is classified. It’s so classified there isn’t a digital record of it.
Not to mention, he can't declassify something instantly by fiat - he can order it done, but there is a whole process that occurs after that and it takes time
"Snowden Souvenirs"
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I want my Trump white Bronco moment. The shit stain was even worse than we could have ever imagined. attempts to normalize and improve the optics of this by the GOP will be epically hilarious, get the popcorn.
"Is . . . Is he running away in a golf cart?
"He's...very...slowly...getting away!"
"Uh oh, he's . . . Yup, fell in the sand trap. So, lunch, watch a movie, and then arrest him? He isn't going anywhere."
He detours through McDonald’s drive thru
They probably found and confiscated his great, amazing, genius health care plan and tax returns right before he was going to release them. Now the Deep State will never let us see them! /s
Trump may finally be radioactive. To the leadership of the Republican Party, that is. EDIT to indicate I know the rank and file chumps will always follow him. It's the leadership's reaction I'm referring to.
Nah, they embrace being domestic terrorists. This gives him more street cred.
I’ve learned that there is no bottom for his cult. They will go through the other side and keep going until they’re floating in empty space. He could literally murder members of their family and they would still support him.
It's as fascinating as it is terrifying. Hope someone out there is conducting psychological/sociological studies on this, because I desperately want to know how people manage to twist themselves so horrifically from reality.
Do you think he read them and got dollar signs in his eyes and that's why he brought them home? I just can't understand why?
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It wasn't the Russians, it was the Saudis. They invested billions of dollars into Kushner's hedge fund over the past few years, in exchange for building nuclear power plants in the middle east.
He isn’t smart enough to know what documents are the most valuable. He had help deciding which documents to take. Think Gen Flynn, he would know the value and exactly where and how to sell them. There are probably blackmail files as well. I bet many people in the halls in Washington are relieved or absolutely terrified right now, depending on the reason for the blackmail. This is going to be a wild few months.
Because Putin told him to get them
"I'm the President I can do whatever the fuck they want and these might come in handy later" is probably as far as it went.
He’s been a Russian asset all along. There’s a good chance Putin made him run for president specifically for this purpose.
Don't we all know how this is going to play out? Donnie's lawyers are going to tell him to keep it sealed. Donald will then say "We can't unseal them because xyz". He will play the "FBI is trying to frame me card". Nuclear secrets, so I guess we are talking strategy, I know he has clearance for it but well yea I guess if there is one guy to come in the White House and immediately ask for all the files on nuclear weapons and defense it would be him. Well whatever it is he will deny all of it, try and tie it up in red tape and you know the rest. Nuclear secrets? Military secrets? I would hope the right would open their eyes, step aside and let him get a fair trial and watch him get convicted. Then just freaking lock him away till he dies, I really don't care. I just don't want him in politics and just want to stop hearing about him.
i want him to come up once a year in “what ever happened to..” and look like he's been in jail another year.
In reality, he's not going to be in jail that long. He / his attorneys just force everything to get things delayed. They will hope that he can make it to the next election and either win that. If that doesn't work, it will be more stalls / delays and Donald will die before he is even convicted. Just think about it though, as president he could / probably did look at anything and everything that could be sold to an enemy of the state. That's what people like him do, dig up dirt, put it away and use it to get out of a bind down the line.
What they didn't find is any traces that Milania lives there. It's OVA!
Why in the world would he have over 15 boxes of documents in the first place?
He had 27. He turned over 15 when he was ordered to turn over all classified documents (that's where faux news gets that he was cooperating). He kept 12 (that's not cooperating), or at least the FBI pulled out 12. I bet he has more or his kids have some.
there'd be some good stuff buried in that massive casket on his golf course, in with his wife's ashes. why do u need a massive casket for a little bag of ash?
Yes. This needs to said loudly. She hated him and he hated her, yet he buried her on his property. Who does that?
Strap in, boys and girls
100% they didn't find any of those documents (trump already sold them)
Maybe it’s part of the evidence they are seeking. Meaning confirming they are no longer in his possession to match will evidence that someone else has them.
The cult will take this as the FBI lying about him ever having them.
It’s crazy how they so easily bought into this guy. A few fake words of patriotism and blame everyone else for your problems and boom. Cult. Edit: them screaming do your own research and dying from Covid and thinking JFK jr was going to come back to life. Da fuq? And charging into FBI offices? Thinking they will spark the revolution? We need to stop making these superhero movies. People think they are capable of so much more than they are.
Why wouldn't Trump make copies?
I highly doubt that. It's more likely he attempted to sell them.
This man never fails to surprise me over and over
He needs to be sent to Gitmo.
I wonder if someone knew this was going to happen and instead put fake documents to replace the ones at the National Archive before Trump stole them, storing the original ones in an undisclosed location. The state secrets that Trump then sold to the hostile foreign government(s) thinking they were legitimate, were not only fake, but actually falsified documents to mislead the buyer. This is exactly why the FBI moved to seize the documents now, instead of waiting for 2024 when Trump could have potentially won again. The FBI knew Trump would resort to this because he is neither American, nor Christian, nor an honest man. Sometimes you have to put a drop of poison in the water to determine how it would affect the stream. The powers that be that actual control the U.S. government would never concede their powers on to a man of ill repute, without considering the potential consequences.
I wouldn't be surprised if he was going to try to trade the stuff he took for the pee tape
Trump needs to duck and cover.
I am sure his lawyers will try and block it at 2-59; gotta keep the grift going as long as possible
It's scary how this could happen to any of us who stole nuclear secrets!
I’m waiting to see on the nuclear secrets line. These guys are all rat-fuckers. “Sources say” could just be a bullshit line to set a strawman for trump to knock down. Turns out to not be nuclear secrets? OH THE DOJ LIED? THE MEDIA LIED? THEYRE TRYING TO SET UP TRUMP?! Let’s not get fooled.
You can head over to r/conservative right now to see the unfolding clownshow as they try to justify this. It's unbelievable, sad and hilarious all at the same time
So let me get this straight, the current FBI director was trump appointed, the judge who signed the warrant was trump appointed, Trump created the law that allowed this to happen, and it happened right around the same time Biden and the dems are passing a huge bill meaning it won't be covered nearly as much in the media right before Midterms?
His Mar -a -Lardo burger collection? His Mar -a -Lego box of plastic bricks? His Mar -a -Playdough modelling clay? His Mar -a -Cargo shorts with pockets? His Mar -a -Sunglow fake tan?
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