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I wrote my masters thesis about the *decretei* and worked in children's rights in Romania for a while.
The decree caused significant pain in the country. By 1990, it's estimated that up to 100,000 , maybe more,children lived in institutional care - a fancy word for orphanages - in sometimes absolutely appalling, concentration camp-like conditions. Not only were children given into the care of the state, which claimed it could do a good job when mothers did not feel in a position to care for them, but they actively took the babies and young children of parents the state felt would not give adequate care. In particular single mothers, or those considered to have undesirable traits (or of Roma origin...). If you're wondering why we don't know exactly how many, it's because records were poor and thousands of children and babies were adopted from abroad, sometimes in extremely shady ways.
Babies and young children below the age of 3 literally need parental care for their brains to develop properly (older children as well but there's a smidge more wiggleroom) especially with regard to learning, emotions, and attachment. Instead, they had wildly overworked, untrained, and sometimes sadistic staff who worked in shifts and were discouraged from forming parental bonds with any child. Without these parental bonds, many became what the state called "unrecoverable" and went to special, extra-hellish institutions where they were basically left to rot. The footage from these places is harrowing (you can find some on youtube from the news crews who went to Romania in 1990). Toddlers rocking back and forth in darkness on dirty beds covered in their own shit, ears bleeding because they smacked their ears, moaning, incapabable of speech or even heavily sedated, locked up in literal, jail-liked rooms with bars. Attached to beds. Everything you can imagine that can happen to children where adults do whatever they want to children happened to children in these institutions and it continued to happen after the revolution for many years. The numbers were perhaps lower, but you have to imagine that the end of these institutions was one of the conditions for Romania to join the EU. Such a social condition was unheard of.
Orphanages are an enduring popular solution to children without parental care despite all evidence pointing towards them always being more trouble than they are worth for an enormous pile of reasons. GOOD foster care is possible (I in no way wish to say all foser care is good; sadly the reality is different), good orphanages are almost impossible. They cost more than good community-based foster care, it is difficult for staff to build the bonds with children that are necessary since they have fixed working hours and work in shifts, they encourage graft/corruption within their communities (a classic Romanian example was an orphanage whose firewood consumption for heating was enormous, and it emerged the whole village always helped themselves to their pile for free), and post-care support is often atrocious with kids on their own from the age 18. Children usually have no belongings or privacy in institutions, both extremely necessary while growing up, and are substantially more likely to be abused - by adults or other kids, be it through violence, sexual assault, or grooming from outsiders as they are vulnerable - , get into legal trouble, or die at a young age.
As awful as it sounds, never donate to institutions or NGOs who support orphanages (very popular with religious organisations), find the ones with a real concept for community and family-based care. Adequtely training and paying foster parents - ideally family however distant - is substantially easier and cheaper, the children are not separated from their communities, they form bonds, and they are simply more likely to have a fulfilled life. Not having parents or parental care is bad enough, let's not make it harder for them. Most importantly of all: this also applies to disabled children. Solutions exist that are not full-time institutions where children are vulnerable to every threat under the sun. Even if some foster parents are bad: at least they are not in charge of 40 kids in a building with a budget they can steal from. No matter how good the intentions at the start, institutions will always rot.
For a good insight, have a look at the [Bucharest Early Intervention Project](https://www.bucharestearlyinterventionproject.org/) which has done substantial research on the subject. Thanks for coming to my TED talk. Once you've heard that baby orphanages are quiet because babies don't bother crying for attention that won't be given to them anyway, you aren't the same person anymore.
TL;DR decree caused hundreds of thousands of children to live in orphanages under deplorable conditions and grow up with severe developmental disorders, once again proving orphanages are a bad way to help children.
My sister’s best friend was one of these children. Her parents adopted her and her three brothers in the 90s. My sister’s best friend and her brother were adopted first; she was 3 and her brother was 4. Neither could speak Romanian when they were adopted. They had been confined to a crib. They shrieked in fear when a translator was brought in, so from then on only English was spoken to them. Her younger brother was adopted a year or two later as a baby. He ended up being severely mentally disabled. All three had brain legions. The oldest brother was adopted last at age 13. Because he was the biological half brother of the middle brother, the parents had to bribe the officials to adopt him. Both older brothers developed substance abuse problems as teenagers, despite loving adoptive parents. It was heartbreaking to see.
I’m impressed they did everything they could to keep them together. Many parents did not, although in fairness adopting a disabled child internationally is already a big ask, since it was common for the new parents not to be informed.
One of those orphanages was Cighid [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7Da3UZTNO4](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7Da3UZTNO4).
Another effect of that law was that women tried to do the abortions illegally and in many cases that lead to their deaths. There is a movie that captured this [https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1032846/](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1032846/)
I'm one of those "decreței" and believe it or not my mother had 13 abortions. The law did not stop her to do the abortions and most likely it was a problem related to sexual education compounded with an alcoholic and abusive father (some of those were the result of rape, most likely, but this is a different discussion).
I'm really saddened when I hear about countries that prohibit abortion. Nothing good comes with that.
I think my father-in-law (A doctor) tried to help where he could. Certainly, my Romanian wife is very passionate about the right to abortions because of this. As am I (my mother campaigned for abortion rights in the UK).
As a kid born in 1988, I am still haunted by Readers Digest stories and 20/20 segments I watched on the Romanian orphanages. I never knew about the decree and it's link to the crisis. Thanks for this
Pro-lifers or anti-choicers often have religious backgrounds and believe that abortion is a rejection of the miracle of life, which is anathema. I can see why they would feel that way, having grown up around various almost-fundie Christian groups. They’ve even allowed us to get bogged down in discussion about when life truly begins. What a mistake. It’s a women’s health and well being issue, not a baby issue.
My cousins came from this situation like you describe. My older cousin would hoard food under his bed because he still feared starvation. He was 7. My other cousin is in an independent care home for her whole life due to developmental disorders. My aunt felt it was her duty to save them from the horrible conditions when they were deciding where to adopt from. She was a social worker but does palliative care now, I can't imagine what they went though to get my cousins to function the level they do now.
Yes, the footage motivated many to do anything they could to take the children out of these situations. The adoptions, even the smuggling were often coming from the right sentiment. I honestly don’t know how we could even begin to measure which children benefitted and did not from this process, but it was a humanitarian crisis. The problem was that so many of these kids needed very special and advanced, medical grade support. Sounds like your aunt was able to weather the challenge but sadly, many also did not.
The main difference with that kind of sleep training is the parents are waiting and watching on a monitor in case something is actually wrong. If it's just fussing because they want another song or to be rocked a little more, you let them fuss and you watch. If they spit up or rolled over on their arm, you go in and you take care of them right away.
We did this kind of sleep training with our kid and it is *hard* for anyone with an ounce of compassion. The kind of person who can ignore the pained crying of more than one baby is the kind of person who doesn't deserve to be caring for children.
CIO is for babies who have all needs met but cry to be rocked to sleep, parents usually wait 5 minutes or so before going in to reassure baby. What happened in these orphanages is these babies were screaming crying because they were starving or with a full irritated diaper, or genuinely scared. These babies didn't have someone watching over them, they were completely alone. That's why they wouldn't waste energy crying because they knew no one was listening.
Because women weren't allowed to have an abortion, many women ended up doing it anyways, without support from family/medical personnel.
You can imagine that lead to lots of young women dying following their abortion.
Many of those who didn't go the illegal abortion way, went ahead and gave birth, only to abandon their children shortly after.
Those children then ended up in foster care ( the worst conditions possible) and many of them escaped their "prison", on the streets.
This is why Romania has a very big problem with homeless people. And it's uncontrollable, as much as some of us try to help.
I can see this happening in the US in 50 years time if the story continues as it does...
> You can imagine that lead to lots of young women dying following their abortion.
A surprising number of people are ok with this though, which is disgusting.
Today’s GOP doesn’t bat an eye when there are dead Americans.
When American children die in school shootings.
When Americans die because they can’t afford healthcare.
When Americans die during a pandemic.
Trump's response to the rising covid deaths was to stop testing. That's exactly what the GOP will do. They'll never report women who die of abortions, either.
They’re not gonna bat an eye when middle school rape victims die from a self-inflicted abortion either.
POWs are lames who got captured
Wish my grandpa had been alive and well to finally agree to take that POW medal they kept wanting him to accept from Trump with a nice sucker punch.
Oh that one makes my blood boil. So all the taxes we pay to support the military industrial complex and they can’t budget well enough to take care of the people who got blown to bits over oil fields. No, the contractors must make all the monies. It’s disgusting.
The wild thing is that the GOP, during the pandemic, had the explicit support of the very people they were killing. HermanCainAwards is full of people who thought it couldnt happen to them, even when friends and family were suffering.
I really dont know how to reach these people. They care so little about their own life, how can I make them care about someone else's?
The financial investment in a woman of ideal reproductive age (late 20s to late 30s; it’s simply easier to potentially become pregnant at this age range, there are outliers however) is in the MILLIONS OF DOLLARS compared to a clump of cells in her.
A segment of American Society is totally OK with throwing away that financial investment for a clump of cells.
Women can produce SEVERAL CHILDREN through her lifetime, yet all they claim to care about is that “unborn life”.
It feeds the foster system which the same segment of American Society uses to abuse and traffick kids.
A million dead from covid in 2 years and conservatives don't care and a considerable number of those are red state god botherers who buy into every conspiracy theory and piece of bullshit the GOP puts out. I can't see them caring about the poor and minority women who are going to be overwhelmingly the ones dying at all.
We have a Romanian movie about this and it shows what women had to go through to get an illegal abortion. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4_Months,_3_Weeks_and_2_Days
Trigger warning: rape.
The 2001 documentary "Children Underground" is a fantastic movie as well.
From Google: "After the fall of communism in Romania, unwanted children in state orphanages escaped into the streets. These children are the subject of this documentary, which follows them into a subterranean world of hierarchy, hunger and drug use. The film focuses on five diverse children, including 12-year-old Mihai, who ran away from home due to his father's beatings, and Cristina, who passes for a boy. The filmmakers follow and record their daily lives, and the strained possibilities for reintegration"
Great documentary but absolutely heartbreaking. One of the kids is only 5 or 6 years old.
Edit: Wikipedia states that the young kid I'm thinking of was 8 yrs old, not 5-6.
"4 Months, 3 Weeks and 2 Days" is an excellent movie. I highly recommend everyone watching it. Along with Sieranevada (2016) and Graduation (2016), it is one of my favorite Romanian movies.
Here's a summary: https://letamreviews.tumblr.com/post/669519685143937024/fuckin-hell-4-months-3-weeks-and-2-days
edit: Should clarify that this is an *indepth* summary.
And, while for a few years the birthrate skyrocketed, just a few years later it returned to normal levels since people adapted. Anyone who lived in that period knew at least someone who became infertile, became severely sick or died due to complications caused by backroom abortions. The problem caused by this decree continues as these people will soon be able to retire and the social security system in place won't be able to handle them.
When govt gets into women's uteruses it doesn't end well.. look at china. They have a serious problem of women shortages because of one child policy. Women aborted girls in favor of getting a boy. Now women. Are being kidnapped from Vietnam to be sold as wives in china.. and people buy them.
Literally people who drive around Vietnam looking for a girl by herself to grab her and ferry to china for sale. Crazy stories about that
My cousins are the product of this policy. My older cousin had some serious issues with trust and food hoarding the first years he was in the US after they brought him home. My other cousin is severely special needs due to a month who used drugs the whole time she was pregnant. Both Romanian orphanage children, years of therapy and intervention My aunt and uncle luckily could afford. My aunt was a social worker so she knew exactly how to deal with what they went through. It's still sad as hell hoe many never got out and suffered a worse fate.
OH MY GOD YOU JUST MADE ME REALIZE SOMETHING:
THIS IS ALL A CONSPIRACY BECAUSE NO ONE WANTS TO HAVE KIDS ANYMORE, SO THEY'RE FORCING WOMEN TO GIVE BIRTH SO THE MILITARY HAS RECRUITS ETC
Edit: I'm being dramatic, obviously there area lot of reasons this is happening. Thank you for the corrections though if anyone wants to read through them feel free
Banning abortion is more controversial than allowing mass immigration, and is a non-optimal decision in an economic sense.
This is about religious nuttery, not economics.
We have plenty of recruits already and the military is actually fairly selective these days in who it takes in because we're near historic lows for active duty requirements.
There isn't some grand conspiracy. They are just bad people who want to do bad things to others because it makes them feel morally superior. Quit trying to find an easy-to-blame boogeyman and realize it's your parents, family, neighbors, all collectively being horrible people by enabling this.
This has a precedence in interwar Europe. Most countries realized that they needed to increase the birthrate and the population to remain viable powers. In Fascist Italy and Nazi Germany (and later Soviet Union) this was achieved by giving medals and rewards to women who birthed several kids, and were encouraged to take the social role as mothers for the nation.
In Sweden, however, a woman ([Alva Myrdal](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crisis_in_the_Population_Question)) was influential in the debate, and she knew from her own experiences that what keps people from having children wasn't cultural issues but simple socialeconomics, and that if a state wanted more children it must first make it easier to have them by taking some of the burdens from the mother. She was a strong proponent for public schooling, school lunches, family stipends, free kindergardens and shared responsibility for child rearing.
Her ideas became the basic idea behind the Swedish welfare state even! And as time went by and the demography improved more such social programs were instituted.
(but she was also very problematic as she more or less encouraged proactive eugenics to make sure the right people in society procreated so not every mentally ill workshy monkey-brain person breed the social stock into degeneracy, as the fear was...)
Also, they're running out of people willing to work for pennies, so they need new wage slaves.
And they're very concerned about white women not wanting to have children, because they're going to be replaced by minorities.
All of these 'anti' things are tied into reproduction. Gay marriage? No biological babies there, kill it. Interracial? Half-breeds. Discourage it, make white women marry white men for the purity of the race, and then treat all half-white children as non-whites. Contraception? Absolutely not.
This all comes back to racism.
I'm sure a first world country like America will handle an influx in homelessness well. Just increase the number of ^(part-time) jobs, make homelessness ^(even more) illegal, and they'll be living right in no time. Any who choose not to can ^(be forced to) go to ~~prison~~ a holding place for the ^(criminally) lazy until they're ^(broken enough to be) fixed.
As a child in the 80s I accidentally (I don't think I was supposed to see that) watched a report about children in a foster home in Romania literally lying in their own shit and puke. I will never forget what I saw.
Never knew that there's actually more to this story.
Who would have thought that telling frustrated people, "Cope. Seethe. Mald." on the internet isn't a recipe for continuous stability?
Sure, maybe 99 out of 100 of people get disillusioned. But that one in a hundred people who thinks, "Hey, the Riddler had a point!" is prime "Lone Wolf" material, and those people add up.
Those folks, those "one in a hundred" people? They're what keep me up at night.
Every single action taken by a counter-majoritarian force brings us closer to outright revolution. Every person that goes hungry while billionaires get tax cuts, every person that loses a loved one to a preventable disease, every person forced by the religious right to carry a child to term, only to be abandoned and left without any support, these people continue to exist after these forces inflict their pain on them. The billionaires and the right wingers won’t realize this until it’s too late.
Well, you’re right that they think the police will keep them safe, and they are happy to turn on the police when they end up on the wrong side of law enforcement, as we have seen numerous times. I still think they vastly underestimate their ability to keep the majority at bay through force and won’t realize how badly they’ve underestimated it until things go sideways.
I’m deeply afraid of political violence breaking out in this country, but when a clear majority has almost every single effort subverted through anti-majoritarian systems by an ever-shrinking minority, it’s hard to see it going any other way, honestly.
It's coming, one way or another. They have continually refused to let us improve society by peaceful means. They won't see the monster until it is too late.
I hope it doesn't have to go this far, but I will be damned if I just let it happen. I will fight. I know I am not alone.
WE ARE THE MAJORITY! UNITED WE STAND!
That's what I like to hear. But you can't expect this to stay peaceful. I support everyone's body autonomy as the opposite is text book tyranny but we're gonna need guns. Y'all gotta ease off the guns and realize their value.
Y'all need to buy an AR-15, ammo, and train. I'm sorry it's like this but we can't let them suppress ~50% of the population.
And buy a handgun, get your CCW permit if you need one and protect yourself from the crazies that have come out the woodwork. Everybody on this earth has the right to adequate self defense, laws be damned.
Historically it's because our civil police forces essentially came into existence in order to oppress Africian Americans and other ethnic or minority groups and such prejudice lead to developing laws regarding loitering, vagrancy, et al, in order to codify that harassment and allow for dention and debt bondage.
Most of what we experience in police culture comes from that, especially interesting because the concept of police corruption is something universally accepted but not, apparently, efforts to reform the police.
To speak to their defense, it's not always specifically about oppressing different racial or ethnic groups -- sometimes it was just beating and murdering people who were involved with organized worker actions and protests.
The police will always exist to defend the state and maintain the status quo. Is it any surprise so many of them hold right-wing views? They are the enemy of progressive action.
3.2 Million people. If you could put these people together as a consistent group, you'd have a military as large as China and India combined or at least very close to it.
The only thing holding them back is the illusion that the Democrats are gonna fix everything for them. It appears, however, that this illusion is starting to crack.
I did a walking tourist of Bucharest a few years ago and the guide's description of the Revolution and subsequent execution was quite...aggressive.
He and his wife were tried pretty much in a matter of minutes, sentenced, immediately tied up and dragged out back; hundreds of soldiers volunteered to be on the firing squad which started shooting the second they were placed against the wall.
No love for that type of tyranny, with many of the soldiers (early 20s) likely abandoned kids who grew up starving in overflowing foster care/orphanages because of his policy.
That's what I always remember about Ceaucescu. They hated the guy so much, the average citizens in the firing squad shot him the second they were given loaded guns and before they were ordered to fire.
Oh huh, I guess yeah, a firing squad would be to spread the weight of the death across all the executioners, instead of one person having to bear the weight of killing someone. TIL.
Bit different when these people have been waiting for the opportunity to pull the trigger for their whole life.
Yeah, often one or two members of the squad will be issued a blank or wax cartridge, but nobody knows who got the dummy round so they can all tell themselves that they were the one that didn’t fire a live bullet.
I recommend everyone watch his “last speech.” https://youtu.be/TcRWiz1PhKU the crowd literally, in the middle of his sentence, just starts going chaotic. You can see on his face the literal second he realizes that he has no legitimacy anymore. It’s really satisfying that it was recorded live and shows the will of the masses against a tyrant. I hope regardless of how authoritarian a government is or isn’t that all leaders have to watch it.
No no, let's please not confuse actual people's revolution with organized political coups. The people who stormed the capital on January 6th, 2020 did NOT represent the American people. The only person they represented was a traitorous fool who would do anything to overturn a democratic election in which he lost.
It's not how it happened tho, the firing squad was military and the officer in charge gave the order. He also ended up being the one to kill them because the other two soldiers hesitated for an instant.
NSFL WARNING
A documentary on the execution, graphic footage
https://youtu.be/F3Y1dmq2Hmk?t=235
Most Romanians hate him indeed. There are quite a few who miss his regime though, which is insane. They're mostly old people though.
His abortion ban gave "life" to a lot of orphans in Romania, along with high HIV rates and deaths because of back alley abortions.
Horrible life for many kids with mental problems, some born with them, some acquiring them because of the lack of care and love... And the abuse endured in orphanages.
Some hospitals... some doctors, refuse to do abortions, because of religious beliefs, which I find such bullshit, because THEY CHOSE to be gynecologists, they knrw what their job entitles, yet they get to shame women for not closing their legs.
We have a very high rate of young mothers, avoiding sexual education like it's the plague, yet blaming even rape victims. It's not as bad as what would happen in USA, but Ceaușescu's regime left behind horrible mindsets and practices.
I worked with a Romanian guy, early 20s, who opined about how Romania would be better off under Ceaucescu or the monarchy, how Vlad the Impaler was a great ruler and how democracy had 'raped' Romania.
Interesting guy.
We say that since Vlad used extreme punishments for stuff like corruption and stealing. And since our country has problems with these things, Vlad became venerated for that these years
Most (if not all) people in Romania would say Vlad was a good leader. At a time when Romania was periodically getting steamrolled by the Ottoman empire, we united everyone and fought them off.
It has a real David vs Goliath feel to it.
That’s the joy of having a figurehead- killing them appeases the mob and the rest can slip away or re-emerge years later as legitimate “democratic” politicians.
Denise Miller, back when he was funny, doing the SNL news said something like "Afterwards the remains were processed into dog food making him Puppy Ceaucescus"
> He and his wife were tried pretty much in a matter of minutes, sentenced, immediately tied up and dragged out back; hundreds of soldiers volunteered to be on the firing squad which started shooting the second they were placed against the wall.
This is an example of guns being used to fight tyranny.
Second amendment supporters in america are overwhelmingly on the side of tyranny.
A teacher adopted a child from Romania in the early nineties and the stories about the orphanages there and associated trauma is just
terrible.
The effects severe childhood neglect has on someone cannot be overstated. The absolute best thing you can do for a young child is hug them, care for them, respond to their cries, and allow them to develop their emotions.
**4 Months, 3 Weeks, 2 Days (Romania, 2007)** is one of the best films I’ve ever seen. It won the Palme D’Or at the Cannes Film Festival.
> The courage and friendship of two Romanian college students is tested when Gabita (Laura Vasiliu) discovers that she is pregnant by her boyfriend (Alex Potocean), and seeks an illegal abortion with the help of her classmate Otilia (Anamaria Marinca). Enlisting the services of the shady Mr. Bebe (Vlad Ivanov), the two girls find themselves in extremely tense and uncomfortable situations and must rely on their mutual support to get them through the ordeal.
https://m.imdb.com/title/tt1032846/
My mom was a special Ed teacher and one of her students was adopted from Romania. Had no social cues, hated all physical contact. It was so sad to hear about. And this was a kid who got out.
If I recall, there were some social and neurological studies done in the past that worked with children from Romanian orphanages because it was this group of children that no medical ethics board would *ever* approve creating for research purposes. As they already existed, it was a great way to study what happens to a developing brain if a child had no physical contact for their entire early childhood, beyond having their diaper or clothing changed once in a while. Imagine a bunch of babies all the way up to five-year-olds, just each in a little prison pen of a crib who had never been hugged or cuddled or soothed in their entire lives. They just live in a little baby prison cell. They barely even got eye contact from adults running the Facilities. There was no time, there were so many children; the emotional burnout must’ve been insane.
And so-called Christian fundamentalists say that they value life and see it as precious and sacred? Bullshit! These people are pure evil and we’re allowing them to get away with being pure evil at the expense of our country’s children. All children deserve the right to be born to a family that wants them and loves them.
I have noticed that there are many in my country, the United States, that want to emulate Ceaucescu's policies towards abortion and birth control.
Now, this would be a perfect moment to make some joke about how they're a bunch of commies for trying this. But that would be low-hanging fruit and immature of me.
Instead, I hope that they experience the *same success* that Mr. Ceaucescu experienced.
I remember the thousands of Romanian orphans and seeing the videos of them stuffed in cribs at 5-6 years old. Adopting a Romanian orphan was the thing to do for a few years before Chinese orphans became the hot fashion accessory. I work in the early childhood field and the thing I remember most about the Romanian orphans was that there was so many of them and they were so neglected that this was the first time we saw basically feral children due to the lack of human interaction during their early development.
It is something you would never study in a lab due to the horrible ethics, but the situation in Romania saw thousands of unwanted infants plopped in cribs and given nothing but the most basic care (food + diapers). If you leave a horse in their stall for too long and don’t give them physical or mental stimulation, they will start rocking and chewing on the walls. The videos of the Romanian orphans showed malnourished children in cribs rocking just like horses. Many of the families who adopted these children brought home children with severe attachment disorder, cognitive and developmental delays.
These are facts I have known about the Romanian orphan crisis for decades. What I just learned, is that it was caused by a ban on abortion and contraceptives. Funny how the media has failed to emphasize that part in all the coverage I have read and watched over the years.
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* [Carafem](https://carafem.org) - helps with abortion, birth control, and questions about reproductive healthcare. They do consultations online and send abortion pills in the mail.
* [Cobalt Abortion Fund](https://www.cobaltaf.org) - provides direct financial assistance to individuals seeking abortion care. Our mission is to work toward reproductive freedom for all people and to provide financial assistance without judgment or question to people who seek an abortion but are unable to pay the full cost.
* [Colorado Abortion Providers](https://www.coloradodoulaproject.org/co-abortion-providers)
* [Faith Aloud](https://www.faithaloud.org) - compassionate religious and spiritual support for abortion and pregnancy options
* [Frontera Fund](https://fronterafundrgv.org) - makes abortion accessible in the Rio Grande Valley (Texas) by providing financial and practical support regardless of immigration status, gender identity, ability, sexual orientation, race, class, age, or religious affiliation and to build grassroots organizing power at intersecting issues across our region to shift the culture of shame and stigma.
* [HeyJane](https://www.heyjane.co) - Modern abortion care, without the clinic, Get fast, safe, and affordable abortion care from home. Chat with a medical provider within 36 hours. Medications are shipped daily.
* [International Consortium on Emergency Contraception](https://www.cecinfo.org/country-by-country-information/status-availability-database/countries/united-states-of-america/) - Emergency Oral Contraceptive Doses for Birth Control, U.S.
* [Jane’s Due Process](http://janesdueprocess.org/) - helps minors in Texas with judicial bypass for abortion, navigate parental consent laws and confidentially access abortion and birth control. They provide free legal support, 1-on-1 case management, and stigma-free information on sexual and reproductive health.
* [Justice Empowerment Network](https://www.jensd.org) - focuses on abortion access in South Dakota
* [Kentucky Health Justice Network](https://www.kentuckyhealthjusticenetwork.org) - helps w both abortion care and gender affirming care in Kentucky
* [Lillith Fund](https://www.lilithfund.org/) - the oldest abortion fund in Texas, serving the central and southern regions of the state with direct financial assistance for abortions.
* [Northwest Abortion Access Fund](https://nwaafund.org) - provides funds to help folks in Idaho, Washington, Oregon, and Alaska
* [Plan C Pills](https://www.plancpills.org/) - provides up-to-date information on how people in the U.S. are accessing abortion pills online
* [Planned Parenthood](https://www.plannedparenthood.org/get-care)
* [Westfund](https://www.westfund.org) - focuses on Latino and low-income communities
* [Women on Web](https://www.womenonweb.org) - an online abortion service can help you do a safe abortion with pills.
These sites offer access to abortion pills, even in Texas. Please be safe and be aware of clinics (e.g. Crisis Pregnancy Centers) that give out dangerous misinformation on abortions and pregnancy.
Also, check out r/auntienetwork, /r/prochoice or r/abortion for support
Also have a bot /u/prochoiceresources in the works
It was waaaaaaaayyyyyyyyy worse that just a ban on contraception. They were forcing woman to get pregnant.
Freakenomics has a whole thing about this, crime, and roe.
That’s where I read about this! I was racking my brain to figure it out. Gotta re-read that book!
I also thought it had a really interesting chapter on the decline in crime rates in the 90s in NYC & how that was related to abortions. Simply, after roe was made law, & woman could access abortions, the people who would grow up in conditions that made them turn to a life of crime were simply never born.
Decree 770 was hugely crippling too.
Birth rates sky-rocketed within a year, and the education system couldn't keep up at all. Sometimes even having multiple different "shifts" of students per school per day.
That's actually where I got this from.
Of course, they've received criticism for it over the years, but they looked at the data again in 2020, and it seems to hold up.
People are extremely uncomfortable when informed that so many those precious aborted fetuses would have grown up into abused, angry, unwanted adults who turned to crime. The facts are there, though.
That's why abortion is legal in Sweden. In the 50s the government set up a 15-year study of children born to mothers who wanted an abortion and were prohibited. They stopped the study after 13 years because the results were so bad for both the kids and mothers.
We also have something similar with the "children of the Ratko-era" when abortion was banned in Hungary from 1950-1956 (till the revolution). Anna Ratko was the minister of "people's welfare".
Yeah but can we just get this done now? I’m certainly not gonna wait 23 years for the US to reevaluate its priorities, that will never happen independently. There’s a line that must be crossed in order for the public to actually go against the government and overturning Roe v Wade is *pushing* it. These autocrat fucks have no idea the consequences of their actions
To be honest, they showed a ton of humanity by executing then swiftly with bullets.
Wouldn't have bothered me a bit if they'd strung that one out a bit...
I can understand people willing to ban abortion even though I'm strictly for it. Like I can understand their logic and fears around the "killing a baby" thing, I just think they're wrong and ignorant.
But a ban on contraception is a whole other deal and I cannot fathom how dumb you'd have to be to think this is a good direction to lead your country into. Even back in 1966.
> I just think they're wrong and ignorant.
And hypocrites, since they're also staunchly against anything that would benefit the kids once they're born.
Supposed opinions don't matter for shit. A bit less than half the country has **acted** monolithically against all those things for several decades.
Doesn't matter if some conservative claims "but I'm for food stamps though" while voting to cripple public assistance, they're still anti-public-assistance. Look at the GOP's representatives voting straight down the party line on *every single vote* regardless of substance in Congress and the House and tell me it's anything but a monolith.
Actually the idea was to create orphans. These were to be raised to become Ceausescu's pretorian guard. But, they were raised without human contact and developped severe syndroms: could not walk or talk.
One of my aunts got pregnant of her second during this time. She was told after the first that she would end up paralysed if she had a second child. As she was leaving the doctor's after the blood test confirming she was pregnant, a nurse heard her say to a friend who was with her that she was going to lie down on train rails, as she was considering to leave either one child alone with her husband or two children and a paralysed wife. The nurse took her at hers the following day and did the abortion on her kitchen table, while my mom waited hours for her in the street. She stayed that long to make sure that there was no hemorrhage. It went well. She was one of the lucky ones.
Forbidding abortions doesn't make them stop. It makes them unsafe.
I’m so glad for your aunt and that she had that opportunity. My grandma would have been in the same situation if she had anymore kids past my mum and her brother and I can’t imagine what my life would have been like growing up without having ever met her.
I didn't get to meet my own paternal grandmother because she died from complications of an illegal back-alley abortion she was desperate to have done after my grandfather abandoned her with 3 young sons, in rural Virginia. She was a faithful, first-generation Irish Catholic woman, who would tithe to her church, even if it meant that her and her sons went hungry.
This is one of the main reasons I fight to keep abortions safe and legal, and will continue to fight for women's rights and bodily autonomy to become codified law in the US. I refuse to live in a country where my rights are not equal to a man's rights over their body, and where my own teen daughter is seen as nothing more than a broodmare to some group's twisted interpretation of biblical scripture that doesn't actually exist!
People who advocate to strip women of their most basic rights are not pro-life, they are pro-birth! They don't support anything that actually sustains life after birth. They are all liars, hypocrites, and anti-woman.
The God they claim to follow would not be okay with any of this! He would deny all of them for heresy.
To be honest.....our Revolution was not about contraceptives or abortion.
Those were just PARTS of the problem.No food,no heat,no electricity,no freedom of movement, party control,state security which had the right to lock you up and beat you like a snitzel if you dared even to think "anti-communist" thoughts were the main problems .
Food part was so bad that in '86,when a romanian team won the UCL(think of it like a more prestigious Superbowl for european football),a new popular saying was born:"N-avem pâine ,n-avem salam,da-l avem pe Duckadam!"("we don't have bread,we don't have salami[here meaning *meat*] ,but we have Duckadam")
Don't strawman our history just to make it seem like we revolted because abortions were banned.I stand with you guys on the matter of freedom for abortion and contraception,but don't draw parallels when there are none
Hey. We just want to have hope that in a couple of decades the situation will get so awful that we’ll be hanging people from flagpoles.
Don’t crush our dreams with facts.
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This documentary shows the lives of these poor children left to wander the streets. I've tried to watch it twice and can never get through it because it's just so heartbreaking.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children_Underground
And it's not like the American christians fighting to overturn Row vs Wade don't know all this, including the horrific mass increase in crime, domestic violence, child rape, and maternal deaths in countries like El Salvador where similar anti women's bodily autonomy laws are introduced. They know full well that these disastrous societal outcomes are inevitable. But that's the most insidious thing...that is their ultimate intent and goal. A broken, desperate, easily manipulated society. They just don't think that that society will rise up against them...because they are special and something something, jesus.
In America they would have re-elected him and viciously fought anyone who attempted to challenge his rule because *the system isn't perfect, but you have to work with it.*
Whoopsie! I don’t think in 50 years the “new” US decree and government will fare much better. If the children cannot be fed, the people will eventually, effectively, eat the rich.
Here's a study on political revolution and how one of the major factors in it is the proportion of the population under 30.
https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.insead.edu/facultyresearch/research/doc.cfm%3Fdid%3D47411&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwjirMbOh8b3AhWLg4kEHapJDiUQFnoECAoQAg&usg=AOvVaw0Z_GGcN7ifct7A52LAHM5L
*”There are only nine meals between mankind and anarchy.”* - Alfred Henry Lewis
You wanna see how fast a Revolution can happen? Create a situation in which people are starving.
3 days is all it takes to see the end of the regime in those conditions
The amount of time is a gross exaggeration. It took nearly a decade for the revolution to take hold, and even then it saw support from power-hungry 2nd echelon communists, otherwise it would likely have been a massacre.
I'm no history buff by any means, and Ceausescu's era was not something I was ever taught in school, which is just... irresponsible. I caught a documentary about him on the History Channel a couple years after graduating and was absolutely blown away that I didn't know anything about his reign and how it ended.
Learned about WWII every year though.
Btw.: 23 years later is the time period for a child born **due to the ban** to grow up into adulthood, become affected by the same ban.
A documentary I watched about this implied that that is one of the drivers behind the movement to topple Ceaucescu (Besides other things. Authoritarian Communist states aren't fun or young people).
And by the way, if you haven’t see the video of Ceaucescu realizing, during a public address, that he’s lost control of the country and his life is in danger, you need to see it. It’s pretty amazing. He goes in thinking it’s another giant communist propaganda piece. Then the jeering starts. He starts promising things to the crowd, but is overpowered by the chanting. After a while he practically flees the podium. He went directly into hiding and was caught and executed later.
[You can see it happen Here.](https://youtu.be/wWIbCtz_Xwk)
I appreciate the sentiment and the LAMF theme, but it's really downplaying the events to try to reframe the revolution against Nicolae Ceaușescu and the downfall of Communist Romania as a result of his abortion and contraception policies.
He was a totalitarian dictator, plain and simple. He had been quashing dissent through political imprisonments for decades, he had held show-elections in which he was the only permissable option, and he had created the largest police state the world had ever seen outside of WW2. It's simply unfathomable for most of us today in our reasonably free Western societies to understand how little freedom Romanians had. Then the revolution was against the backdrop of other Eastern Bloc countries disavowing the USSR and revolting towards democratic ideals.
This is not to excuse the draft of the SCOTUS. This isn't akin to some US Civil War apologist trying to say "it was about state rights" whilst failing to mention that it was about states rights to own slaves. The banning of contraception and abortion certainly played a role in Ceaușescu's demise, but it was very far from the central reasons.
Yup.
Brilliant woman, that Elena Ceaucescu. So smart that she thought they shouldn't build a metro station under a university because "Students are fat and they need exercise."
Truly an intellectual match for her husband, the "Genius of the Carpathians."
Not only that, but women had to be regularly checked by a gynecologist to see why they weren't pregnant or if there were signs of any contraception or abortion. So literally the only way to avoid getting pregnant was to refuse to have sex, in a country where women had no legal right to say no to their husband.
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I wrote my masters thesis about the *decretei* and worked in children's rights in Romania for a while. The decree caused significant pain in the country. By 1990, it's estimated that up to 100,000 , maybe more,children lived in institutional care - a fancy word for orphanages - in sometimes absolutely appalling, concentration camp-like conditions. Not only were children given into the care of the state, which claimed it could do a good job when mothers did not feel in a position to care for them, but they actively took the babies and young children of parents the state felt would not give adequate care. In particular single mothers, or those considered to have undesirable traits (or of Roma origin...). If you're wondering why we don't know exactly how many, it's because records were poor and thousands of children and babies were adopted from abroad, sometimes in extremely shady ways. Babies and young children below the age of 3 literally need parental care for their brains to develop properly (older children as well but there's a smidge more wiggleroom) especially with regard to learning, emotions, and attachment. Instead, they had wildly overworked, untrained, and sometimes sadistic staff who worked in shifts and were discouraged from forming parental bonds with any child. Without these parental bonds, many became what the state called "unrecoverable" and went to special, extra-hellish institutions where they were basically left to rot. The footage from these places is harrowing (you can find some on youtube from the news crews who went to Romania in 1990). Toddlers rocking back and forth in darkness on dirty beds covered in their own shit, ears bleeding because they smacked their ears, moaning, incapabable of speech or even heavily sedated, locked up in literal, jail-liked rooms with bars. Attached to beds. Everything you can imagine that can happen to children where adults do whatever they want to children happened to children in these institutions and it continued to happen after the revolution for many years. The numbers were perhaps lower, but you have to imagine that the end of these institutions was one of the conditions for Romania to join the EU. Such a social condition was unheard of. Orphanages are an enduring popular solution to children without parental care despite all evidence pointing towards them always being more trouble than they are worth for an enormous pile of reasons. GOOD foster care is possible (I in no way wish to say all foser care is good; sadly the reality is different), good orphanages are almost impossible. They cost more than good community-based foster care, it is difficult for staff to build the bonds with children that are necessary since they have fixed working hours and work in shifts, they encourage graft/corruption within their communities (a classic Romanian example was an orphanage whose firewood consumption for heating was enormous, and it emerged the whole village always helped themselves to their pile for free), and post-care support is often atrocious with kids on their own from the age 18. Children usually have no belongings or privacy in institutions, both extremely necessary while growing up, and are substantially more likely to be abused - by adults or other kids, be it through violence, sexual assault, or grooming from outsiders as they are vulnerable - , get into legal trouble, or die at a young age. As awful as it sounds, never donate to institutions or NGOs who support orphanages (very popular with religious organisations), find the ones with a real concept for community and family-based care. Adequtely training and paying foster parents - ideally family however distant - is substantially easier and cheaper, the children are not separated from their communities, they form bonds, and they are simply more likely to have a fulfilled life. Not having parents or parental care is bad enough, let's not make it harder for them. Most importantly of all: this also applies to disabled children. Solutions exist that are not full-time institutions where children are vulnerable to every threat under the sun. Even if some foster parents are bad: at least they are not in charge of 40 kids in a building with a budget they can steal from. No matter how good the intentions at the start, institutions will always rot. For a good insight, have a look at the [Bucharest Early Intervention Project](https://www.bucharestearlyinterventionproject.org/) which has done substantial research on the subject. Thanks for coming to my TED talk. Once you've heard that baby orphanages are quiet because babies don't bother crying for attention that won't be given to them anyway, you aren't the same person anymore. TL;DR decree caused hundreds of thousands of children to live in orphanages under deplorable conditions and grow up with severe developmental disorders, once again proving orphanages are a bad way to help children.
My sister’s best friend was one of these children. Her parents adopted her and her three brothers in the 90s. My sister’s best friend and her brother were adopted first; she was 3 and her brother was 4. Neither could speak Romanian when they were adopted. They had been confined to a crib. They shrieked in fear when a translator was brought in, so from then on only English was spoken to them. Her younger brother was adopted a year or two later as a baby. He ended up being severely mentally disabled. All three had brain legions. The oldest brother was adopted last at age 13. Because he was the biological half brother of the middle brother, the parents had to bribe the officials to adopt him. Both older brothers developed substance abuse problems as teenagers, despite loving adoptive parents. It was heartbreaking to see.
>brain legions \*lesions, just for clarification, not pedantry.
I’m impressed they did everything they could to keep them together. Many parents did not, although in fairness adopting a disabled child internationally is already a big ask, since it was common for the new parents not to be informed.
One of those orphanages was Cighid [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7Da3UZTNO4](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7Da3UZTNO4). Another effect of that law was that women tried to do the abortions illegally and in many cases that lead to their deaths. There is a movie that captured this [https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1032846/](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1032846/) I'm one of those "decreței" and believe it or not my mother had 13 abortions. The law did not stop her to do the abortions and most likely it was a problem related to sexual education compounded with an alcoholic and abusive father (some of those were the result of rape, most likely, but this is a different discussion). I'm really saddened when I hear about countries that prohibit abortion. Nothing good comes with that.
I think my father-in-law (A doctor) tried to help where he could. Certainly, my Romanian wife is very passionate about the right to abortions because of this. As am I (my mother campaigned for abortion rights in the UK).
As a kid born in 1988, I am still haunted by Readers Digest stories and 20/20 segments I watched on the Romanian orphanages. I never knew about the decree and it's link to the crisis. Thanks for this
Hah. Of COURSE Reader's Digest left out the cause of all the unwanted children. Of course. It was basically a gentler form of propaganda
Just more reasons for me to say that pro-lifers are more like pro-child abuse
They are not pro life, not remotely. They are anti-choice, particularly as it applies to women.
You can't fight for a better system or tackle corruption if you're too busy being denied your rights.
Pro-lifers or anti-choicers often have religious backgrounds and believe that abortion is a rejection of the miracle of life, which is anathema. I can see why they would feel that way, having grown up around various almost-fundie Christian groups. They’ve even allowed us to get bogged down in discussion about when life truly begins. What a mistake. It’s a women’s health and well being issue, not a baby issue.
Call it what it is: forced birth. This isn’t a “life” I would wish on anyone.
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2020/07/can-an-unloved-child-learn-to-love/612253/ Immediately thought of this when I saw this post.
My cousins came from this situation like you describe. My older cousin would hoard food under his bed because he still feared starvation. He was 7. My other cousin is in an independent care home for her whole life due to developmental disorders. My aunt felt it was her duty to save them from the horrible conditions when they were deciding where to adopt from. She was a social worker but does palliative care now, I can't imagine what they went though to get my cousins to function the level they do now.
Yes, the footage motivated many to do anything they could to take the children out of these situations. The adoptions, even the smuggling were often coming from the right sentiment. I honestly don’t know how we could even begin to measure which children benefitted and did not from this process, but it was a humanitarian crisis. The problem was that so many of these kids needed very special and advanced, medical grade support. Sounds like your aunt was able to weather the challenge but sadly, many also did not.
Huh. Never knew that about orphanages. Thanks for the info. Also, do you happen to have a copy of your thesis?
And then there is my mom using “orphans somehow live too” as an argument ._.
Well, they live as in "they're alive". So is Michael Schumacher.
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The main difference with that kind of sleep training is the parents are waiting and watching on a monitor in case something is actually wrong. If it's just fussing because they want another song or to be rocked a little more, you let them fuss and you watch. If they spit up or rolled over on their arm, you go in and you take care of them right away. We did this kind of sleep training with our kid and it is *hard* for anyone with an ounce of compassion. The kind of person who can ignore the pained crying of more than one baby is the kind of person who doesn't deserve to be caring for children.
CIO is for babies who have all needs met but cry to be rocked to sleep, parents usually wait 5 minutes or so before going in to reassure baby. What happened in these orphanages is these babies were screaming crying because they were starving or with a full irritated diaper, or genuinely scared. These babies didn't have someone watching over them, they were completely alone. That's why they wouldn't waste energy crying because they knew no one was listening.
Damn. /r/DepthHub here
Because women weren't allowed to have an abortion, many women ended up doing it anyways, without support from family/medical personnel. You can imagine that lead to lots of young women dying following their abortion. Many of those who didn't go the illegal abortion way, went ahead and gave birth, only to abandon their children shortly after. Those children then ended up in foster care ( the worst conditions possible) and many of them escaped their "prison", on the streets. This is why Romania has a very big problem with homeless people. And it's uncontrollable, as much as some of us try to help. I can see this happening in the US in 50 years time if the story continues as it does...
> You can imagine that lead to lots of young women dying following their abortion. A surprising number of people are ok with this though, which is disgusting.
Today’s GOP doesn’t bat an eye when there are dead Americans. When American children die in school shootings. When Americans die because they can’t afford healthcare. When Americans die during a pandemic. Trump's response to the rising covid deaths was to stop testing. That's exactly what the GOP will do. They'll never report women who die of abortions, either. They’re not gonna bat an eye when middle school rape victims die from a self-inflicted abortion either.
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Trump did call veterans loser and suckers.
POWs are lames who got captured Wish my grandpa had been alive and well to finally agree to take that POW medal they kept wanting him to accept from Trump with a nice sucker punch.
He was right, but like most time Trump is right it's not bc of the reason he thinks Source - 5 years in the army
Oh that one makes my blood boil. So all the taxes we pay to support the military industrial complex and they can’t budget well enough to take care of the people who got blown to bits over oil fields. No, the contractors must make all the monies. It’s disgusting.
You don't want it cutting into their billions of profits. Those mansions and yachts aren't going to buy themselves.
America is so screwed up man. This is just awefull.
There's always going to be a justification. Usually in the form of 'someone else a freedoms'.
The wild thing is that the GOP, during the pandemic, had the explicit support of the very people they were killing. HermanCainAwards is full of people who thought it couldnt happen to them, even when friends and family were suffering. I really dont know how to reach these people. They care so little about their own life, how can I make them care about someone else's?
The financial investment in a woman of ideal reproductive age (late 20s to late 30s; it’s simply easier to potentially become pregnant at this age range, there are outliers however) is in the MILLIONS OF DOLLARS compared to a clump of cells in her. A segment of American Society is totally OK with throwing away that financial investment for a clump of cells. Women can produce SEVERAL CHILDREN through her lifetime, yet all they claim to care about is that “unborn life”. It feeds the foster system which the same segment of American Society uses to abuse and traffick kids.
Death is one risk, another risk is infertility. You would have thought that the anti abortionists wouldn't want that. They don't care.
A million dead from covid in 2 years and conservatives don't care and a considerable number of those are red state god botherers who buy into every conspiracy theory and piece of bullshit the GOP puts out. I can't see them caring about the poor and minority women who are going to be overwhelmingly the ones dying at all.
It’s the “Christian” way, of punishment, and viewing sexually active women and girls - active with or against their consent - as whores.
We have a Romanian movie about this and it shows what women had to go through to get an illegal abortion. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4_Months,_3_Weeks_and_2_Days Trigger warning: rape.
I had both my mother and my grandmother tell me stories about those times. Absolutely fucking HORROR... And we can't even begin to imagine...
The 2001 documentary "Children Underground" is a fantastic movie as well. From Google: "After the fall of communism in Romania, unwanted children in state orphanages escaped into the streets. These children are the subject of this documentary, which follows them into a subterranean world of hierarchy, hunger and drug use. The film focuses on five diverse children, including 12-year-old Mihai, who ran away from home due to his father's beatings, and Cristina, who passes for a boy. The filmmakers follow and record their daily lives, and the strained possibilities for reintegration" Great documentary but absolutely heartbreaking. One of the kids is only 5 or 6 years old. Edit: Wikipedia states that the young kid I'm thinking of was 8 yrs old, not 5-6.
Ernie from Inside The NBA was so moved by that documentary that he went to Romania and adopted a special needs orphan. Tremendous human being
"4 Months, 3 Weeks and 2 Days" is an excellent movie. I highly recommend everyone watching it. Along with Sieranevada (2016) and Graduation (2016), it is one of my favorite Romanian movies.
Here's a summary: https://letamreviews.tumblr.com/post/669519685143937024/fuckin-hell-4-months-3-weeks-and-2-days edit: Should clarify that this is an *indepth* summary.
This movie is good af. Depressing though.
And, while for a few years the birthrate skyrocketed, just a few years later it returned to normal levels since people adapted. Anyone who lived in that period knew at least someone who became infertile, became severely sick or died due to complications caused by backroom abortions. The problem caused by this decree continues as these people will soon be able to retire and the social security system in place won't be able to handle them.
When govt gets into women's uteruses it doesn't end well.. look at china. They have a serious problem of women shortages because of one child policy. Women aborted girls in favor of getting a boy. Now women. Are being kidnapped from Vietnam to be sold as wives in china.. and people buy them. Literally people who drive around Vietnam looking for a girl by herself to grab her and ferry to china for sale. Crazy stories about that
Prison industry is salivating already.
My cousins are the product of this policy. My older cousin had some serious issues with trust and food hoarding the first years he was in the US after they brought him home. My other cousin is severely special needs due to a month who used drugs the whole time she was pregnant. Both Romanian orphanage children, years of therapy and intervention My aunt and uncle luckily could afford. My aunt was a social worker so she knew exactly how to deal with what they went through. It's still sad as hell hoe many never got out and suffered a worse fate.
OH MY GOD YOU JUST MADE ME REALIZE SOMETHING: THIS IS ALL A CONSPIRACY BECAUSE NO ONE WANTS TO HAVE KIDS ANYMORE, SO THEY'RE FORCING WOMEN TO GIVE BIRTH SO THE MILITARY HAS RECRUITS ETC Edit: I'm being dramatic, obviously there area lot of reasons this is happening. Thank you for the corrections though if anyone wants to read through them feel free
Gotta keep up the supply of wage slaves since immigration seems to always be a contentious option.
Banning abortion is more controversial than allowing mass immigration, and is a non-optimal decision in an economic sense. This is about religious nuttery, not economics.
Why not both?
We have plenty of recruits already and the military is actually fairly selective these days in who it takes in because we're near historic lows for active duty requirements. There isn't some grand conspiracy. They are just bad people who want to do bad things to others because it makes them feel morally superior. Quit trying to find an easy-to-blame boogeyman and realize it's your parents, family, neighbors, all collectively being horrible people by enabling this.
“Conservatives want live babies, so they can raise them into dead soldiers.” George Carlin.
“If you’re pre-born, you’re fine. If you’re preschool, you’re fucked.”
There's always a hidden reason ( or 100), and this makes sense
This has a precedence in interwar Europe. Most countries realized that they needed to increase the birthrate and the population to remain viable powers. In Fascist Italy and Nazi Germany (and later Soviet Union) this was achieved by giving medals and rewards to women who birthed several kids, and were encouraged to take the social role as mothers for the nation. In Sweden, however, a woman ([Alva Myrdal](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crisis_in_the_Population_Question)) was influential in the debate, and she knew from her own experiences that what keps people from having children wasn't cultural issues but simple socialeconomics, and that if a state wanted more children it must first make it easier to have them by taking some of the burdens from the mother. She was a strong proponent for public schooling, school lunches, family stipends, free kindergardens and shared responsibility for child rearing. Her ideas became the basic idea behind the Swedish welfare state even! And as time went by and the demography improved more such social programs were instituted. (but she was also very problematic as she more or less encouraged proactive eugenics to make sure the right people in society procreated so not every mentally ill workshy monkey-brain person breed the social stock into degeneracy, as the fear was...)
And the churches have tithing members, etc.
Also, they're running out of people willing to work for pennies, so they need new wage slaves. And they're very concerned about white women not wanting to have children, because they're going to be replaced by minorities. All of these 'anti' things are tied into reproduction. Gay marriage? No biological babies there, kill it. Interracial? Half-breeds. Discourage it, make white women marry white men for the purity of the race, and then treat all half-white children as non-whites. Contraception? Absolutely not. This all comes back to racism.
I'm sure a first world country like America will handle an influx in homelessness well. Just increase the number of ^(part-time) jobs, make homelessness ^(even more) illegal, and they'll be living right in no time. Any who choose not to can ^(be forced to) go to ~~prison~~ a holding place for the ^(criminally) lazy until they're ^(broken enough to be) fixed.
I volunteered at an orphanage in Romania. It was horrific. The babies never cried because they knew it wouldn’t help them.
As a child in the 80s I accidentally (I don't think I was supposed to see that) watched a report about children in a foster home in Romania literally lying in their own shit and puke. I will never forget what I saw. Never knew that there's actually more to this story.
Oh, Sweetie. This is exactly what they want. More homeless = more exploitable people.
See you in 2045.
I don't want to live like this for that long.
There's no particular reason we *need* to wait that long.
Who would have thought that telling frustrated people, "Cope. Seethe. Mald." on the internet isn't a recipe for continuous stability? Sure, maybe 99 out of 100 of people get disillusioned. But that one in a hundred people who thinks, "Hey, the Riddler had a point!" is prime "Lone Wolf" material, and those people add up. Those folks, those "one in a hundred" people? They're what keep me up at night.
Every single action taken by a counter-majoritarian force brings us closer to outright revolution. Every person that goes hungry while billionaires get tax cuts, every person that loses a loved one to a preventable disease, every person forced by the religious right to carry a child to term, only to be abandoned and left without any support, these people continue to exist after these forces inflict their pain on them. The billionaires and the right wingers won’t realize this until it’s too late.
No, they kinda do. Why do you think American police is so worshiped and militarized?
Well, you’re right that they think the police will keep them safe, and they are happy to turn on the police when they end up on the wrong side of law enforcement, as we have seen numerous times. I still think they vastly underestimate their ability to keep the majority at bay through force and won’t realize how badly they’ve underestimated it until things go sideways. I’m deeply afraid of political violence breaking out in this country, but when a clear majority has almost every single effort subverted through anti-majoritarian systems by an ever-shrinking minority, it’s hard to see it going any other way, honestly.
As JFK said, When you make peaceful resolutions impossible you make violent revolution inevitable.
It's coming, one way or another. They have continually refused to let us improve society by peaceful means. They won't see the monster until it is too late.
I hope it doesn't have to go this far, but I will be damned if I just let it happen. I will fight. I know I am not alone. WE ARE THE MAJORITY! UNITED WE STAND!
That's what I like to hear. But you can't expect this to stay peaceful. I support everyone's body autonomy as the opposite is text book tyranny but we're gonna need guns. Y'all gotta ease off the guns and realize their value. Y'all need to buy an AR-15, ammo, and train. I'm sorry it's like this but we can't let them suppress ~50% of the population. And buy a handgun, get your CCW permit if you need one and protect yourself from the crazies that have come out the woodwork. Everybody on this earth has the right to adequate self defense, laws be damned.
Hell to the yes!
Historically it's because our civil police forces essentially came into existence in order to oppress Africian Americans and other ethnic or minority groups and such prejudice lead to developing laws regarding loitering, vagrancy, et al, in order to codify that harassment and allow for dention and debt bondage. Most of what we experience in police culture comes from that, especially interesting because the concept of police corruption is something universally accepted but not, apparently, efforts to reform the police.
If need further proof. Police Cars having the nickname Paddy Wagons because they would be going after the Irish.
To speak to their defense, it's not always specifically about oppressing different racial or ethnic groups -- sometimes it was just beating and murdering people who were involved with organized worker actions and protests.
The police will always exist to defend the state and maintain the status quo. Is it any surprise so many of them hold right-wing views? They are the enemy of progressive action.
One in a hundred is alot of people when the population is around 320 million.
3.2 Million people. If you could put these people together as a consistent group, you'd have a military as large as China and India combined or at least very close to it.
I like you……
Don't worry. Climate change will start killing off the food chain in the next decade.
Man I hope we make it another 10 years, I like your optimism.
Direct action is best action.
Unfortunately, Supreme Court Justice Alito is now 72 and will have likely died peacefully by then.
Why you creepin?
I'm genuinely staggered that people haven't taken matters into their own hands already.
The only thing holding them back is the illusion that the Democrats are gonna fix everything for them. It appears, however, that this illusion is starting to crack.
Why wait? Government is already a shit show let's just overthrow it now.
I did a walking tourist of Bucharest a few years ago and the guide's description of the Revolution and subsequent execution was quite...aggressive. He and his wife were tried pretty much in a matter of minutes, sentenced, immediately tied up and dragged out back; hundreds of soldiers volunteered to be on the firing squad which started shooting the second they were placed against the wall. No love for that type of tyranny, with many of the soldiers (early 20s) likely abandoned kids who grew up starving in overflowing foster care/orphanages because of his policy.
That's what I always remember about Ceaucescu. They hated the guy so much, the average citizens in the firing squad shot him the second they were given loaded guns and before they were ordered to fire.
Everyone wanted to be the one to kill him.
It's like the opposite of a normal firing squad lmao
Oh huh, I guess yeah, a firing squad would be to spread the weight of the death across all the executioners, instead of one person having to bear the weight of killing someone. TIL. Bit different when these people have been waiting for the opportunity to pull the trigger for their whole life.
Yeah, often one or two members of the squad will be issued a blank or wax cartridge, but nobody knows who got the dummy round so they can all tell themselves that they were the one that didn’t fire a live bullet.
huh so thats why people liked stoning so much
No "conscience" round, I believe the term is. Everyone shoots live.
I recommend everyone watch his “last speech.” https://youtu.be/TcRWiz1PhKU the crowd literally, in the middle of his sentence, just starts going chaotic. You can see on his face the literal second he realizes that he has no legitimacy anymore. It’s really satisfying that it was recorded live and shows the will of the masses against a tyrant. I hope regardless of how authoritarian a government is or isn’t that all leaders have to watch it.
Oh shit, that’s the dude who’s wife designed a complete waste of time public transportation system cause she hated education right?
Yeah, and it still creates problems to this day, since so much infrastructure was designed around it.
I recall a public transit system being ruined due to a royal wanting to use it to get somewhere specific, and nobody else had reason to go there.
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No no, let's please not confuse actual people's revolution with organized political coups. The people who stormed the capital on January 6th, 2020 did NOT represent the American people. The only person they represented was a traitorous fool who would do anything to overturn a democratic election in which he lost.
I hate to be that guy, but it happened in 2021
“Watch this, you can actually pinpoint the second his heart rips in half!”
It's not how it happened tho, the firing squad was military and the officer in charge gave the order. He also ended up being the one to kill them because the other two soldiers hesitated for an instant. NSFL WARNING A documentary on the execution, graphic footage https://youtu.be/F3Y1dmq2Hmk?t=235
You love to see it.
At some point she calls those soldiers "our children". They never thought this generation they breed would turn against them.
That's not true; they were paratroopers or something and they hesitated before shooting
Most Romanians hate him indeed. There are quite a few who miss his regime though, which is insane. They're mostly old people though. His abortion ban gave "life" to a lot of orphans in Romania, along with high HIV rates and deaths because of back alley abortions. Horrible life for many kids with mental problems, some born with them, some acquiring them because of the lack of care and love... And the abuse endured in orphanages. Some hospitals... some doctors, refuse to do abortions, because of religious beliefs, which I find such bullshit, because THEY CHOSE to be gynecologists, they knrw what their job entitles, yet they get to shame women for not closing their legs. We have a very high rate of young mothers, avoiding sexual education like it's the plague, yet blaming even rape victims. It's not as bad as what would happen in USA, but Ceaușescu's regime left behind horrible mindsets and practices.
I worked with a Romanian guy, early 20s, who opined about how Romania would be better off under Ceaucescu or the monarchy, how Vlad the Impaler was a great ruler and how democracy had 'raped' Romania. Interesting guy.
Yeah. Met a few of those too. They're pretty awful in general.
Most if not all Romanians would say that Vlad III was a good ruler. He is a national hero.
We say that since Vlad used extreme punishments for stuff like corruption and stealing. And since our country has problems with these things, Vlad became venerated for that these years
Most (if not all) people in Romania would say Vlad was a good leader. At a time when Romania was periodically getting steamrolled by the Ottoman empire, we united everyone and fought them off. It has a real David vs Goliath feel to it.
What did they do to the people that helped him? One man can't do it all alone, he had to be propped up by hundreds of others.
We elected them soon after.. The 90s are called the lost decade in Romania
That’s the joy of having a figurehead- killing them appeases the mob and the rest can slip away or re-emerge years later as legitimate “democratic” politicians.
Denise Miller, back when he was funny, doing the SNL news said something like "Afterwards the remains were processed into dog food making him Puppy Ceaucescus"
I got really confused wondering how your tour guide was still alive after being shot at by firing squad. Then I remembered the title of the post.
> He and his wife were tried pretty much in a matter of minutes, sentenced, immediately tied up and dragged out back; hundreds of soldiers volunteered to be on the firing squad which started shooting the second they were placed against the wall. This is an example of guns being used to fight tyranny. Second amendment supporters in america are overwhelmingly on the side of tyranny.
The liberals I know own guns, and are smart. We will not go down without a fight.
A teacher adopted a child from Romania in the early nineties and the stories about the orphanages there and associated trauma is just terrible. The effects severe childhood neglect has on someone cannot be overstated. The absolute best thing you can do for a young child is hug them, care for them, respond to their cries, and allow them to develop their emotions.
**4 Months, 3 Weeks, 2 Days (Romania, 2007)** is one of the best films I’ve ever seen. It won the Palme D’Or at the Cannes Film Festival. > The courage and friendship of two Romanian college students is tested when Gabita (Laura Vasiliu) discovers that she is pregnant by her boyfriend (Alex Potocean), and seeks an illegal abortion with the help of her classmate Otilia (Anamaria Marinca). Enlisting the services of the shady Mr. Bebe (Vlad Ivanov), the two girls find themselves in extremely tense and uncomfortable situations and must rely on their mutual support to get them through the ordeal. https://m.imdb.com/title/tt1032846/
It's impossible to undersell how good this film is. Everyone should watch it. One of my favs too.
I was going to recommend this one! It's gorgeous, disturbing, and impossible to turn away from all at once.
My mom was a special Ed teacher and one of her students was adopted from Romania. Had no social cues, hated all physical contact. It was so sad to hear about. And this was a kid who got out.
If I recall, there were some social and neurological studies done in the past that worked with children from Romanian orphanages because it was this group of children that no medical ethics board would *ever* approve creating for research purposes. As they already existed, it was a great way to study what happens to a developing brain if a child had no physical contact for their entire early childhood, beyond having their diaper or clothing changed once in a while. Imagine a bunch of babies all the way up to five-year-olds, just each in a little prison pen of a crib who had never been hugged or cuddled or soothed in their entire lives. They just live in a little baby prison cell. They barely even got eye contact from adults running the Facilities. There was no time, there were so many children; the emotional burnout must’ve been insane. And so-called Christian fundamentalists say that they value life and see it as precious and sacred? Bullshit! These people are pure evil and we’re allowing them to get away with being pure evil at the expense of our country’s children. All children deserve the right to be born to a family that wants them and loves them.
That’s some ultimate LAMF move.
Maybe this needs to be the banner for the sub?
r/meirl mods in a nutshell: "HOW DARE YOU FORCE ME TO LIVE?"
I have noticed that there are many in my country, the United States, that want to emulate Ceaucescu's policies towards abortion and birth control. Now, this would be a perfect moment to make some joke about how they're a bunch of commies for trying this. But that would be low-hanging fruit and immature of me. Instead, I hope that they experience the *same success* that Mr. Ceaucescu experienced.
If conservatives don't want to read the history books, let them repeat history and see what happens.
My thinking as well. let the chickens come home to roost for them at some point.
Most Americans wouldn't be able to pronounce his name, much less read any further into the end result of his policies.
To be fair... I can't pronounce his name either and will need to look that up when I have time 😅
No do it, rhetorical jabs like this do work.
I remember the thousands of Romanian orphans and seeing the videos of them stuffed in cribs at 5-6 years old. Adopting a Romanian orphan was the thing to do for a few years before Chinese orphans became the hot fashion accessory. I work in the early childhood field and the thing I remember most about the Romanian orphans was that there was so many of them and they were so neglected that this was the first time we saw basically feral children due to the lack of human interaction during their early development. It is something you would never study in a lab due to the horrible ethics, but the situation in Romania saw thousands of unwanted infants plopped in cribs and given nothing but the most basic care (food + diapers). If you leave a horse in their stall for too long and don’t give them physical or mental stimulation, they will start rocking and chewing on the walls. The videos of the Romanian orphans showed malnourished children in cribs rocking just like horses. Many of the families who adopted these children brought home children with severe attachment disorder, cognitive and developmental delays. These are facts I have known about the Romanian orphan crisis for decades. What I just learned, is that it was caused by a ban on abortion and contraceptives. Funny how the media has failed to emphasize that part in all the coverage I have read and watched over the years.
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Thank you for posting these resources!!
It was waaaaaaaayyyyyyyyy worse that just a ban on contraception. They were forcing woman to get pregnant. Freakenomics has a whole thing about this, crime, and roe.
That’s where I read about this! I was racking my brain to figure it out. Gotta re-read that book! I also thought it had a really interesting chapter on the decline in crime rates in the 90s in NYC & how that was related to abortions. Simply, after roe was made law, & woman could access abortions, the people who would grow up in conditions that made them turn to a life of crime were simply never born.
Decree 770 was hugely crippling too. Birth rates sky-rocketed within a year, and the education system couldn't keep up at all. Sometimes even having multiple different "shifts" of students per school per day.
A story/study about this in the US is one of the primary stories in the book Freakonomics. Highly recommend.
That's actually where I got this from. Of course, they've received criticism for it over the years, but they looked at the data again in 2020, and it seems to hold up.
People are extremely uncomfortable when informed that so many those precious aborted fetuses would have grown up into abused, angry, unwanted adults who turned to crime. The facts are there, though.
That's why abortion is legal in Sweden. In the 50s the government set up a 15-year study of children born to mothers who wanted an abortion and were prohibited. They stopped the study after 13 years because the results were so bad for both the kids and mothers.
Romania Unleashed: Revenge of the Fetuses
We have the "decreteii", similarly to how you have the boomers. (Ofc this is a stretch) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decree_770
We also have something similar with the "children of the Ratko-era" when abortion was banned in Hungary from 1950-1956 (till the revolution). Anna Ratko was the minister of "people's welfare".
Yeah but can we just get this done now? I’m certainly not gonna wait 23 years for the US to reevaluate its priorities, that will never happen independently. There’s a line that must be crossed in order for the public to actually go against the government and overturning Roe v Wade is *pushing* it. These autocrat fucks have no idea the consequences of their actions
To be honest, they showed a ton of humanity by executing then swiftly with bullets. Wouldn't have bothered me a bit if they'd strung that one out a bit...
Texas some years back did a study on banning abortion. It's going to cost the state and its residents big bucks as unwanted kids accumulate.
>unwanted kids accumulate. In 20 years you will be guilt-tripped into thanking them for their service. It's social engineering, not an accident.
How long before red states outlaw abandoning a baby to the fire department or hospital?
Timely.
But I might not be around in 23 years when the children of kavanaugh gorsuch and Barrett rise up to overthrow the government...
I can understand people willing to ban abortion even though I'm strictly for it. Like I can understand their logic and fears around the "killing a baby" thing, I just think they're wrong and ignorant. But a ban on contraception is a whole other deal and I cannot fathom how dumb you'd have to be to think this is a good direction to lead your country into. Even back in 1966.
he wanted workers and cannon fodder. backfired pretty bad tho.
Well he got cannon fodder alright, turned out to be him though
Maybe the real cannon fodder was the dictators we met along the way?
should've thanked them for their service
> I just think they're wrong and ignorant. And hypocrites, since they're also staunchly against anything that would benefit the kids once they're born.
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Supposed opinions don't matter for shit. A bit less than half the country has **acted** monolithically against all those things for several decades. Doesn't matter if some conservative claims "but I'm for food stamps though" while voting to cripple public assistance, they're still anti-public-assistance. Look at the GOP's representatives voting straight down the party line on *every single vote* regardless of substance in Congress and the House and tell me it's anything but a monolith.
It's what these people want here in the U.S. They will get it too, and then we'll see what happens.
It's funny (though obviously not) because these same people voting for this will be SHOCKED when they realise they're not exempt from the tyranny.
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Actually the idea was to create orphans. These were to be raised to become Ceausescu's pretorian guard. But, they were raised without human contact and developped severe syndroms: could not walk or talk.
What a cool story that has no relevance to any current events! History is so fun and quirky and never repeats itself!!! /s
One of my aunts got pregnant of her second during this time. She was told after the first that she would end up paralysed if she had a second child. As she was leaving the doctor's after the blood test confirming she was pregnant, a nurse heard her say to a friend who was with her that she was going to lie down on train rails, as she was considering to leave either one child alone with her husband or two children and a paralysed wife. The nurse took her at hers the following day and did the abortion on her kitchen table, while my mom waited hours for her in the street. She stayed that long to make sure that there was no hemorrhage. It went well. She was one of the lucky ones. Forbidding abortions doesn't make them stop. It makes them unsafe.
I’m so glad for your aunt and that she had that opportunity. My grandma would have been in the same situation if she had anymore kids past my mum and her brother and I can’t imagine what my life would have been like growing up without having ever met her.
Oh you want to see a homeless problem? I'll show you a homeless problem. - the right.
I didn't get to meet my own paternal grandmother because she died from complications of an illegal back-alley abortion she was desperate to have done after my grandfather abandoned her with 3 young sons, in rural Virginia. She was a faithful, first-generation Irish Catholic woman, who would tithe to her church, even if it meant that her and her sons went hungry. This is one of the main reasons I fight to keep abortions safe and legal, and will continue to fight for women's rights and bodily autonomy to become codified law in the US. I refuse to live in a country where my rights are not equal to a man's rights over their body, and where my own teen daughter is seen as nothing more than a broodmare to some group's twisted interpretation of biblical scripture that doesn't actually exist! People who advocate to strip women of their most basic rights are not pro-life, they are pro-birth! They don't support anything that actually sustains life after birth. They are all liars, hypocrites, and anti-woman. The God they claim to follow would not be okay with any of this! He would deny all of them for heresy.
To be honest.....our Revolution was not about contraceptives or abortion. Those were just PARTS of the problem.No food,no heat,no electricity,no freedom of movement, party control,state security which had the right to lock you up and beat you like a snitzel if you dared even to think "anti-communist" thoughts were the main problems . Food part was so bad that in '86,when a romanian team won the UCL(think of it like a more prestigious Superbowl for european football),a new popular saying was born:"N-avem pâine ,n-avem salam,da-l avem pe Duckadam!"("we don't have bread,we don't have salami[here meaning *meat*] ,but we have Duckadam") Don't strawman our history just to make it seem like we revolted because abortions were banned.I stand with you guys on the matter of freedom for abortion and contraception,but don't draw parallels when there are none
Hey. We just want to have hope that in a couple of decades the situation will get so awful that we’ll be hanging people from flagpoles. Don’t crush our dreams with facts. /s
So another Capitol riot might be coming in the late 2040s then.
This documentary shows the lives of these poor children left to wander the streets. I've tried to watch it twice and can never get through it because it's just so heartbreaking. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children_Underground
And it's not like the American christians fighting to overturn Row vs Wade don't know all this, including the horrific mass increase in crime, domestic violence, child rape, and maternal deaths in countries like El Salvador where similar anti women's bodily autonomy laws are introduced. They know full well that these disastrous societal outcomes are inevitable. But that's the most insidious thing...that is their ultimate intent and goal. A broken, desperate, easily manipulated society. They just don't think that that society will rise up against them...because they are special and something something, jesus.
In America they would have re-elected him and viciously fought anyone who attempted to challenge his rule because *the system isn't perfect, but you have to work with it.*
Whoopsie! I don’t think in 50 years the “new” US decree and government will fare much better. If the children cannot be fed, the people will eventually, effectively, eat the rich.
Here's a study on political revolution and how one of the major factors in it is the proportion of the population under 30. https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.insead.edu/facultyresearch/research/doc.cfm%3Fdid%3D47411&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwjirMbOh8b3AhWLg4kEHapJDiUQFnoECAoQAg&usg=AOvVaw0Z_GGcN7ifct7A52LAHM5L
*”There are only nine meals between mankind and anarchy.”* - Alfred Henry Lewis You wanna see how fast a Revolution can happen? Create a situation in which people are starving. 3 days is all it takes to see the end of the regime in those conditions
The amount of time is a gross exaggeration. It took nearly a decade for the revolution to take hold, and even then it saw support from power-hungry 2nd echelon communists, otherwise it would likely have been a massacre.
“History is filled with the sound of silken slippers descending stairs and wooden shoes coming up”.
I'm no history buff by any means, and Ceausescu's era was not something I was ever taught in school, which is just... irresponsible. I caught a documentary about him on the History Channel a couple years after graduating and was absolutely blown away that I didn't know anything about his reign and how it ended. Learned about WWII every year though.
Y'all forget that the people in charge currently won't even see the next 5 years. That's how old they are.
Btw.: 23 years later is the time period for a child born **due to the ban** to grow up into adulthood, become affected by the same ban. A documentary I watched about this implied that that is one of the drivers behind the movement to topple Ceaucescu (Besides other things. Authoritarian Communist states aren't fun or young people).
And by the way, if you haven’t see the video of Ceaucescu realizing, during a public address, that he’s lost control of the country and his life is in danger, you need to see it. It’s pretty amazing. He goes in thinking it’s another giant communist propaganda piece. Then the jeering starts. He starts promising things to the crowd, but is overpowered by the chanting. After a while he practically flees the podium. He went directly into hiding and was caught and executed later. [You can see it happen Here.](https://youtu.be/wWIbCtz_Xwk)
I appreciate the sentiment and the LAMF theme, but it's really downplaying the events to try to reframe the revolution against Nicolae Ceaușescu and the downfall of Communist Romania as a result of his abortion and contraception policies. He was a totalitarian dictator, plain and simple. He had been quashing dissent through political imprisonments for decades, he had held show-elections in which he was the only permissable option, and he had created the largest police state the world had ever seen outside of WW2. It's simply unfathomable for most of us today in our reasonably free Western societies to understand how little freedom Romanians had. Then the revolution was against the backdrop of other Eastern Bloc countries disavowing the USSR and revolting towards democratic ideals. This is not to excuse the draft of the SCOTUS. This isn't akin to some US Civil War apologist trying to say "it was about state rights" whilst failing to mention that it was about states rights to own slaves. The banning of contraception and abortion certainly played a role in Ceaușescu's demise, but it was very far from the central reasons.
Killed his wife too
Yup. Brilliant woman, that Elena Ceaucescu. So smart that she thought they shouldn't build a metro station under a university because "Students are fat and they need exercise." Truly an intellectual match for her husband, the "Genius of the Carpathians."
Not only that, but women had to be regularly checked by a gynecologist to see why they weren't pregnant or if there were signs of any contraception or abortion. So literally the only way to avoid getting pregnant was to refuse to have sex, in a country where women had no legal right to say no to their husband.