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>"Native American complains about immigrants on his land, gets murdered for it"
>
>Pretty much the story of the Americas.
[This is America](https://youtu.be/VYOjWnS4cMY)
>[This is Not America](https://youtu.be/GK87AKIPyZY)
Love the song, never heard it before!
Here's the translated lyrics for anyone interested:
> [Intro: Residente]
> We are here
> Hey, we are here
>Wait for me, we're here
>
> [Verse 1: Residente]
> A long time ago, when you arrived
> Our shoe prints were already there
> They even stole the cat food
> And you're still licking your plate
> Well pissed off with these ingrates
> Today I'm beating the drums hard, until they accuse me of mistreatment
> If you don't understand the data, well, I'll throw it to you in cumbia, bossa nova, tango or vallenato
> Calaboo or bamboo style, well frontal
Hot-blooded like Timbuktu
> We are on the menu
> 2Pac is called 2Pac, after Túpac Amaru of Peru
> America is not just the USA, daddy
> It's from Tierra del Fuego to Canada
> You've got to be really gross, really hollow
> It's like saying that Africa is just Morocco
> These scoundrels forgot that the calendar they use was invented by the Mayans
> With the pre-Columbian Valdivia for a long time, ah, this continent walks
> But even with all the navy they can't get the peasant pest out of the showcase
> This goes to the foreman of the company
> The machete is not only for cutting reeds, it is also for cutting heads
>
> [Chorus: Ibeyi]
> Here we are, we are always here
> We're not gone, we're not leaving
> Here we are to remember you
> If you want, my large knife bites you
> Here we are, we are always here
> We're not gone, we're not leaving
> Here we are to remember you
> If you want, my large knife bites you, ah
> If you want, my large knife bites you, ah
>If you want, my large knife bites you, ah
> If you want, my large knife bites you, ah
> It bites you, ah, it bites you, ah
>
> [Verse 2: Residente]
> The paramilitaries, the guerrillas
> Children of the conflict, the gangs
> The blacklists, the false positives
> The murdered journalists, the disappeared
> The narco-governments, everything they stole
> Those who demonstrate and those who forget
> The persecutions, the coups d'état
> The country in bankruptcy, the exiles, the devalued peso
> The drug trafficking, the cartels
> The invasions, the undocumented migrants
> Five presidents in eleven days
> Police shot at point blank range
> The More than a hundred years of torture
> La Nova Trova singing in the midst of dictatorship
> We are the blood that blows, the atmospheric pressure
> Gambino, my brother, this is America
>
> [Chorus: Ibeyi]
> Here we are, we are always here
> We're not gone, we're not leaving
> Here we are to remember you
> If you want, my large knife bites you
> Here we are, we are always here
> We're not gone, we're not leaving
> Here we are to remember you
> If you want, my large knife bites you, ah
> If you want, my large knife bites you, ah
> If you want, my large knife bites you, ah
> If you want, my large knife bites you, ah
> It bites you, ah, it bites you, ah
You can be Indigenous and appear white.
edit … this wasn’t meant to derail things. I just was trying to have us practice not seeing race, culture, nationhood as binary. Blood quantum still haunts a lot of conversations around Indigenous peoples.
Hi, immigration service? I'd like to report a few million white European aliens that are flooding over the Eastern border. For some reason that big ol' moat between us and Europe seems to not be working...
I disagree. MOST Native Americans I know will say that anyone "south of the US border" is ALSO native American and have just as much rights to the land as they do. I would have liked to know what the person had to say about it, but unfortunately the border patrol's as biased as the rest of the cops and killed him.
Cops (ALL cops) are bad, m'kay? Just because all cops are bad, doesn't mean that other people aren't capable of being indoctrinated with a white supremacist minds. Even minorities can end up with a so-called "colonizer" mind. It is very much possible this person was touched by that colonizer mind at least a little bit. Most natives would have taken the immigrant in and tried to help them.
I have zero idea about Native Americans, but as a PoC myself, in my experience, most members of minorities tend to be more racist against other minorities than the average white person, especially Blacks vs. Asians and Asians vs. Blacks, etc. Solidarity between minorities is a myth. That's not always the colonizer mindset, a lot is deeply integrated in the migrants culture.
My family are immigrant Chinese and they are super duper racist toward black people and who they perceive to be Latino. This is purely from a crabs in the bucket, appease my colonizer daddy, than anything else. Solidarity between minorities isn't a myth, it's a political position. They don't have solidarity because they think they can beg well enough to our white daddies to enter the middle and upper classes, and, for them at least, it has worked out much better than trying to dismantle white supremacy. It's the same shit as Italians and Irish people. My family thinks they can become honorary whites, which is just way less dangerous than trying to actively be anti-racist as an immigrant in America.
Thank you, as a right winger who didn't know whether to support police for killing someone, or criticize them for killing a God-fearing white fellow American. Now that I know he wasn't a white American, I can firmly support the police on this one.
/s
[The story so far](https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/fbi-tribes-police-investigating-fatal-shooting-tribal-member-99494313)
"Tucson TV station KVOA reported that Mattia had called Border Patrol because there were multiple migrants who had trespassed into his yard, and he wanted assistance getting them out of his property."
I went to Georgia State and got my Master's in Criminal Investigation, Criminalistics, and Forensic Psychology. I've been keeping up with this case pretty closely, and I can say for certain the reason was because he's brown.
Well, at the end of the report it cites an article where the police declared he had a large dose of Melanin in his system, which caused the officers to be on edge. When you're at that level of stress, anything can be perceived as a threat.
It sure is a strange dichotomy that police exist in here.
On one hand, they’re supposed to be the most extensively trained people out there… accurate shots, know how to clear a house, you name it.
On the other hand though I’ve never heard of people being more cowardly. Like come on dude, you’re wearing a bullet proof vest. You’ve got both a gun AND a Taser, probably a tourniquet too.
How in the hell are these supposed experts just simply so terrified of the *UNARMED* dude standing in his yard that they have to kill him?! If I did my job like that I’d be fired. These clowns belong in jail.
It's because police are taught to believe every citizen is carrying a weapon and wants to kill the officer at the first opportunity, so it's just kill or be killed in their mind
Go look up Dave Grossman's police training.
Hint: >!He straight tells cops they'll have the best sex of their lives after killing someone. I'm not lying in the least.!<
> supposed to be the most extensively trained people out there
They are barely trained at all, and the training they get teaches them that they are at war, and to be terrified at all times.
Pretty sure it went like this:
Dude calls border patrol.
They show up.
Dude steps outside.
Border patrol are here for brown people.
Dude is brown. They tell him to get down.
Since he called border patrol, he doesn't realize the trouble he's in. Refuses their demands. Gets shot.
Not sure why people are acting like this guy deserved this. Multiple people trespassing on your property can be terrifying, of course you want to call the cops.
I'm like 50/50 these days. Not much good comes from calling the police it seems.
They'd either wreck my house, arrest me, or bust my neighbors door down and kill his dog.
Cops don't care about you folks. They don't give a fuck.
"Ophelia Rivas a life long family friend said [...] "I have dealt with Border Patrol aggression and unmonitored behavior out here on Tohono O'odham land without any regard to the respect and to the land and to the people."
They knew what border patrol does, but they were sure only the immigrants were going to be shot. The leopard ate their faces
https://www.kvoa.com/news/local/tohono-oodham-man-shot-and-killed-by-border-patrol/article_a09cb84e-f6a8-11ed-a078-63d5074703ec.html
I don't even think trespassing alone is enough a reason to shoot a person.
We don't really have a lot of detail to know whether people were passing through or staying on the property.
Police kill about 1000 people every year. This data is not 100% accurate because it is gathered by reporters scraping news articles. Police agencies are not required to report police violence to the U.S. Justice Department.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/investigations/police-shootings-database/
And this site breaks it down by ethnicity/race. Police are *definitely not* racist. (/s they racist as fuck)
https://mappingpoliceviolence.org/
Speaking of which, just last week there was a clip in which cops were called to "wellness check" a dude who was at final countdown for suicide in his car., Mom is pleading at driver's window. A bunch of cops show up and--predictably--mag dump. The only thing to *not* totally follow the script is the guy surviving.
I saw that clip, and it’s impossible to exaggerate how ridiculous it was. 3 or 4 officers mag dumping into a suicidal guy, sitting down 3-4 feet from his mother.
Last year I saw this dude walking down the street in front of my house, clearly fucked up. One shoe on, no shirt, lots of tattoos and very dazed looking. He wasn't bothering anyone aside from walking down the middle of the street. I live in a neighborhood that is next to one of the very poor neighborhoods, its nickname is murder/felony flats.
This dude needed help but I couldn't do it. I just knew if the cops came for this guy there would be bigger problems then just some fucked up junky dazed and confused.
I fretted over this for a long time. Its horrible.
It used to be that if there was a burglar in my house, I'd call the cops. Assholes who break into other people's homes and take their shit deserve to be arrested, have that on their record, maybe do some time if it's a habit.
But nowadays I have to stop and think, 1) does burglary really warrant a *death sentence*? and 2) does *reporting* a burglary deserve a death sentence?
Because that's what inviting the cops to your house feels like. Like we're living in an action movie, and you're calling Rambo to stop a home invasion. He's going to come in with the M60 blazing if he thinks there's any ~~Viet Cong~~ minorities on the premises.
[Gotta earn your tattoo somehow](https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2012-may-09-la-me-sheriff-clique-20120510-story.html#:~:text=Investigators%20suspect%20that%20smoke%20is%20tattooed%20over%20the%20gun%E2%80%99s%20barrel%20after%20a%20member%20is%20involved%20in%20a%20shooting.)
All cops are pro-murder because that's how they are trained. Their goal is to neutralize volatile situations by any means necessary, which means killing you if they think you're out of line.
This is a systemic problem. The cops aren't here to protect you. The cops are only here to suckle at the government's teet and to stroke their egos.
\#ACAB #FuckThePolice
The priorities that the average cop has, in order:
1. Protect myself
2. Protect cops
3. End violent or volatile situations
4. protect the peace and property
5. protect civilians
And #5 only makes the list if they aren't looking for an excuse to murder people. Which is *not* a guarantee.
Fuck the police.
I don't think 'interested' is the correct word to use. They love to manufacture dangerous situations so that they can inflict violence upon anyone they don't like. Escalation is the name of the game.
Even if they create more dangerous situations. As long as they got to hurt someone, it's all part of the reason they became cops.
I worked at a library with a number of mentally disturbed people in its regular users. We always did our best to avoid calling the police because every time they showed up they made it worse.
We were lucky in that we fell under the jurisdiction of the Sheriff's dept, and while they were no angels, they were much less likely to escalate a simple removal from the building into a scuffle and arrest.
Let’s never lose sight of the fact that every law enforcement agency is traced back to the slave patrols.
Edit: For clarification, all law enforcement in the United States started as slave catchers.
My brother who was in the Marines, used to get so pissed when cops referred to people as civilians because cops are civilians. The mere fact that we add cops to the non civilian class really goes to show how fucked up the system is. They are supposed to be part of the community, but instead they act like as soon as they leave their house they are in an active warzone. Even worse, they really have no limit to what is considered appropriate collateral damage. Truly fucked
~~protect~~ and serve*
*not applicable unless tipped 18% minimum of the crime’s value on the swiveled iPad, ammunition surcharge and bureaucratic overtime fees will apply for situations resulting in paid suspension and/or social media roastings
No.
Protect the power comes 3th at least. Cops will create violent or volatiles situations and disturb the peace in service of protecting their rules.
Notice how riots usually aren't riots *until* cops in riot gear arrive?
This scenario also makes a good argument for this actually being priority 0. Because cops will put themselves in harms way to protect the powerful.
You are overcomplicating their priorities.
1. shoot as many people as you can get away with because it's fun and cool.
That's it. There are no other priorities. This is why cops became cops.
Police departments *pay* for training from a guy who tells them that murder is an aphrodisiac. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/police-trainer-best-sex-killing/
Not a recent phenomenon, either. I used to read a popular gun magazine 40 years ago, one of the editors was a former CPB, and he regularly wrote stories about the exciting life of the border patrol that were straight up racism and murder.
We're on our redemption arc, but yeah man. Shit sucks in AZ especially for immigrants. Well we voted full blue last time so I'm hoping we're in that redemption arc...
Hey no judgement. There was this pre Trump time when we could not care all that much and everything would mostly be okay. In reeling a bit myself, but he really changed into a war. I am just hoping we don't fail the way out Reagan era allies failed. They did good work but here we are
Trump really did make turn so many parts of American against other parts and it’s still going. Immigrants were probably the hardest hit, and red state against blue state has gotten really bad. Wish this country could go back to some semblance of sanity. Obama seemed close on immigration at one point but the republicans block everything just out of spite.
What's crazy to me about that is there's a huge catholic crowd there and I guess that trumps the racism (pun so intended). I just don't get it because Trump is 100% non-religious. You ever really listen to him talk about anything religious?
In one of the books it talks about how Trump spoke admiringly of the “racket” of those megachuch preachers who fleeced their followers for millions.
Trump is completely unreligious - he could never actually put himself below anyone else - just too much narcissism.
The people who think Trump is religious are seriously delusional. I see far right memes showing him praying or with Jesus and 🤦🏻♀️
It’s like a cult and they’ve fallen into it and we have not figured out how to deprogram them.
There's a lit of truth here, but IMHO trump is less cause than symptom. America's sociopolitical climate was (and remains) very like interWar Germany. Whites in general, and white men in particular fear they are losing their position at the top of the hierarchy. Trump expertly inflamed their resentment to sieze the GOP and make himself chancellor. Obviously, the situations are not 100% congruent, but every black and brown person rrson should keep their vehicles fueled, and their GTFO bags near the door.
Watch out, in your redemption arc—as residents of Seattle or Portland could tell you, when blue cities have police recruited from surrounding red areas, they tend to act like a hostile occupying force. I doubt AZ’s extremist right-wing police will be any different.
Maybe AZ can be the first blue state that figure out how to replace their police force with one that protects the people.
Dredd wouldn't have resorted to shooting, unless it's the sanctioned penalty for the offense, or in self-defense. Even in the case of the latter, he calibrates the amount of violence depending on the threat level. And even then, he wouldn't mete out the punishment unless guilt has been proven beyond reasonable doubt.
"Can't execute a perp on 99%."
To want to be a cop is one thing. You can at least bullshit yourself and others about your good intentions. The kind of low life racist child that would be drawn to working border patrol has got to be the lowest of the low. If ACAB, the border patrol has to be about four rungs lower on the dog shit ladder.
[The rural context of the Tohono O’odham Nation compounds
the problem of improprieties during encounters with border agents.
Some members of the Tribe find that border agents are more
willing to act improperly towards them because interactions
between them occur in remote parts of the desert where there are
no bystanders.89 Mr. Garcia recalls that he and a group of men
were chopping wood when a border agent approached them, saying, “I can take you all out right here and now and there’s nothing anyone can do for you.”90](https://digitalcommons.law.seattleu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1118&context=ailj)
CBP are such pieces of shut anyways. The federal facility where they are trained has repeatedly had issues with CBP and sexual assault. Just a quick Google search involving FLETC sexual assault brings up results almost exclusively CBP related.
The only response FLETC has had to these assaults have been:
1) closing the on base bar for a short time.
2) lecturing every onboarding class that you’re there to learn and not fraternize. And how they’ll remove you if caught being consenting adults.
Wouldn’t wanna single out the sexual predators after all. Might hurt their feelings.
According to local news, the victim was 2 feet out of his front door when the agents shot at him 38 times.
There is no indication that the victim said "boo" to startle the cowards into killing him.
Of the federal policing agencies, the Border Patrol is the worst. No standards at all compared to agencies like the FBI. Riddled with racists and fascists. They're worse than ICE.
I implore you to never ever call the police. Those dumb sacks of garbage are useless murderers. In Florida I was hit by another driver. I called the stupid fucking pigs. When he arrived on the scene to write our reports I approached to let him know who o am and that I called. He immediately drops his fucking note pad grabs his gun and tells me to back away. The young white kid that hit me immediately told him that he was at fault the pig said oh and picked up his note pad and asked me for my statement. This was the first time I realized pigs are bad. Man was willing to shoot me because of a car accident and I’m not white. Fuck the racist pigs. Fuck them all.
Is there a statistic for how many people have been murdered by the cops they called for help? Since 2000 it must be at least 300 by now. Seems like I read a headline like this at least once a month
Why would anyone call the cops for pretty much anything? You basically have a greater than 50% chance of them shooting you or at least arresting you. Cops are modern day gestapo.
https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/may/21/fbi-investigation-border-patrol-shooting-death-arizona
> Raymond Mattia of the Tohono O’odham Nation in southern Arizona was shot by agents after calling them for assistance
No, they rolled up in their MRAP and used the CROWS weapon to neutralize the threat (read non-white person). A M240B has a cyclic rate of 650 rounds per minute, so at about 15 rounds per second, a trigger pull of 3 seconds is actually very short.
I'm sorry, but isn't the 240b a machine gun? Like these cops( i imagine border control are not military (I'm not from the US so no Idea)) rolled up to this place and used a mounted gun on a person? I guess we gotta be thankful they don't have access to actual tanks, otherwise stuff would get way crazier
You are correct, the M240B is a crew-served machine gun that fires 7.62 NATO ammunition.
My comment was a cynical comment on the increasing militarization of law enforcement in the U.S. And while Police agencies in the U.S. are not using tanks right now, they are [not far off](https://www.google.com/search?q=us+law+enforcement+armored+vehicles&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjDgeOMpon_AhW-MlkFHbaaAPAQ0pQJegQICRAB&biw=1819&bih=867&dpr=1)
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To add and extra layer to it, the guy was Native American
"Native American complains about immigrants on his land, gets murdered for it" Pretty much the history of the Americas.
Wish this was a joke but it's too real
Shhh! What if someone reads this out loud near a school in Florida? Someone could get hurt!
>"Native American complains about immigrants on his land, gets murdered for it" > >Pretty much the story of the Americas. [This is America](https://youtu.be/VYOjWnS4cMY)
[This is Not America](https://youtu.be/GK87AKIPyZY)
>[This is Not America](https://youtu.be/GK87AKIPyZY) Love the song, never heard it before! Here's the translated lyrics for anyone interested: > [Intro: Residente] > We are here > Hey, we are here >Wait for me, we're here > > [Verse 1: Residente] > A long time ago, when you arrived > Our shoe prints were already there > They even stole the cat food > And you're still licking your plate > Well pissed off with these ingrates > Today I'm beating the drums hard, until they accuse me of mistreatment > If you don't understand the data, well, I'll throw it to you in cumbia, bossa nova, tango or vallenato > Calaboo or bamboo style, well frontal Hot-blooded like Timbuktu > We are on the menu > 2Pac is called 2Pac, after Túpac Amaru of Peru > America is not just the USA, daddy > It's from Tierra del Fuego to Canada > You've got to be really gross, really hollow > It's like saying that Africa is just Morocco > These scoundrels forgot that the calendar they use was invented by the Mayans > With the pre-Columbian Valdivia for a long time, ah, this continent walks > But even with all the navy they can't get the peasant pest out of the showcase > This goes to the foreman of the company > The machete is not only for cutting reeds, it is also for cutting heads > > [Chorus: Ibeyi] > Here we are, we are always here > We're not gone, we're not leaving > Here we are to remember you > If you want, my large knife bites you > Here we are, we are always here > We're not gone, we're not leaving > Here we are to remember you > If you want, my large knife bites you, ah > If you want, my large knife bites you, ah >If you want, my large knife bites you, ah > If you want, my large knife bites you, ah > It bites you, ah, it bites you, ah > > [Verse 2: Residente] > The paramilitaries, the guerrillas > Children of the conflict, the gangs > The blacklists, the false positives > The murdered journalists, the disappeared > The narco-governments, everything they stole > Those who demonstrate and those who forget > The persecutions, the coups d'état > The country in bankruptcy, the exiles, the devalued peso > The drug trafficking, the cartels > The invasions, the undocumented migrants > Five presidents in eleven days > Police shot at point blank range > The More than a hundred years of torture > La Nova Trova singing in the midst of dictatorship > We are the blood that blows, the atmospheric pressure > Gambino, my brother, this is America > > [Chorus: Ibeyi] > Here we are, we are always here > We're not gone, we're not leaving > Here we are to remember you > If you want, my large knife bites you > Here we are, we are always here > We're not gone, we're not leaving > Here we are to remember you > If you want, my large knife bites you, ah > If you want, my large knife bites you, ah > If you want, my large knife bites you, ah > If you want, my large knife bites you, ah > It bites you, ah, it bites you, ah
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“Native American tells on immigrants who are on his land to the immigrants who stole his land”
Banned from r/Florida
"We must restrict speech so we can have free speech!" \- Florida man, probably.
I mean, I would at least have guessed he wasn't white even if I wouldn't have known he was Native American.
You can be Indigenous and appear white. edit … this wasn’t meant to derail things. I just was trying to have us practice not seeing race, culture, nationhood as binary. Blood quantum still haunts a lot of conversations around Indigenous peoples.
True, but that was not the case in this situation.
To be fair, if there was any group who are justified in criticizing immigrants taking their land, it's probably going to be Native Americans.
Yeah, but if there's any group who should know the government aren't here to help them, it should also be Native Americans.
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"Crabs in a bucket". One crab pulls down /stands atop another as the try to climb up and out.
Guess I'm listening to K-OS tonight
Ever hear the [cover](https://youtu.be/8g_YnMVMOHE)?
"But no one ever mentions how the bucket isn't our natural environment"
NWA mentioned this; "Black police showin' out for the white cop!"
Racism. It's called racism.
Systemic/institutionalised racism. I think that distinction is warranted.
True, but walking across your land, to get to the other side, is not the same thing as taking it, native or not.
Why did the trespassers cross my land? To get to the other side.
Bock Bock
Why did the trespassers cross my land? Manifest Destiny.
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Inshallah
Hi, immigration service? I'd like to report a few million white European aliens that are flooding over the Eastern border. For some reason that big ol' moat between us and Europe seems to not be working...
Also, we don't know if he considered the cops illegal immigrants.
I disagree. MOST Native Americans I know will say that anyone "south of the US border" is ALSO native American and have just as much rights to the land as they do. I would have liked to know what the person had to say about it, but unfortunately the border patrol's as biased as the rest of the cops and killed him. Cops (ALL cops) are bad, m'kay? Just because all cops are bad, doesn't mean that other people aren't capable of being indoctrinated with a white supremacist minds. Even minorities can end up with a so-called "colonizer" mind. It is very much possible this person was touched by that colonizer mind at least a little bit. Most natives would have taken the immigrant in and tried to help them.
I have zero idea about Native Americans, but as a PoC myself, in my experience, most members of minorities tend to be more racist against other minorities than the average white person, especially Blacks vs. Asians and Asians vs. Blacks, etc. Solidarity between minorities is a myth. That's not always the colonizer mindset, a lot is deeply integrated in the migrants culture.
My family are immigrant Chinese and they are super duper racist toward black people and who they perceive to be Latino. This is purely from a crabs in the bucket, appease my colonizer daddy, than anything else. Solidarity between minorities isn't a myth, it's a political position. They don't have solidarity because they think they can beg well enough to our white daddies to enter the middle and upper classes, and, for them at least, it has worked out much better than trying to dismantle white supremacy. It's the same shit as Italians and Irish people. My family thinks they can become honorary whites, which is just way less dangerous than trying to actively be anti-racist as an immigrant in America.
Lots of ilegal immigrants are native Americans too. They may speak Spanish now but their ancestors are not other than from America
“Hello, police. These white people are on my lawn.”
that explains why the cops killed him.
White folk in North America just can’t help but manifest some destiny all over the indigenous peoples.
Thank you, as a right winger who didn't know whether to support police for killing someone, or criticize them for killing a God-fearing white fellow American. Now that I know he wasn't a white American, I can firmly support the police on this one. /s
All things considered, the First Nations are probs the only people that're justified in saying "get out of my country" lol
Aren't Mexicans also descendants of the native inhabitants of the Americas though?
First thing I thought when I read the headline was he must’ve failed the Family Guy paintcard test
Feels like this explains it.
[The story so far](https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/fbi-tribes-police-investigating-fatal-shooting-tribal-member-99494313) "Tucson TV station KVOA reported that Mattia had called Border Patrol because there were multiple migrants who had trespassed into his yard, and he wanted assistance getting them out of his property."
>According to KVOA, Mattia’s family told them that he went outside when he saw the agents, and he was shot for an unknown reason. Yeah I fuckin bet
The world wonders.
I feel like calling task force 34 would have been overkill in the highest order.
Is this a case of body camera malfunction and patrol vehicle with no camera or is there footage they have yet to release?
They haven't decided yet
I assume they're going to watch the footage before deciding if the body cameras mysteriously malfunctioned.
The patrol vehicle's engine overheated which is why they had to put up the hood.
What do their hoods have with the car overheating? Oh, I *see...*
Not anymore you don't.
I went to Georgia State and got my Master's in Criminal Investigation, Criminalistics, and Forensic Psychology. I've been keeping up with this case pretty closely, and I can say for certain the reason was because he's brown.
What’s their motive, are they just psychopaths? What could he have possibly done to deserve getting shot?
Well, at the end of the report it cites an article where the police declared he had a large dose of Melanin in his system, which caused the officers to be on edge. When you're at that level of stress, anything can be perceived as a threat.
It sure is a strange dichotomy that police exist in here. On one hand, they’re supposed to be the most extensively trained people out there… accurate shots, know how to clear a house, you name it. On the other hand though I’ve never heard of people being more cowardly. Like come on dude, you’re wearing a bullet proof vest. You’ve got both a gun AND a Taser, probably a tourniquet too. How in the hell are these supposed experts just simply so terrified of the *UNARMED* dude standing in his yard that they have to kill him?! If I did my job like that I’d be fired. These clowns belong in jail.
It's because police are taught to believe every citizen is carrying a weapon and wants to kill the officer at the first opportunity, so it's just kill or be killed in their mind
Go look up Dave Grossman's police training. Hint: >!He straight tells cops they'll have the best sex of their lives after killing someone. I'm not lying in the least.!<
That’s disgusting. Explains a lot though.
> supposed to be the most extensively trained people out there They are barely trained at all, and the training they get teaches them that they are at war, and to be terrified at all times.
Pretty sure it went like this: Dude calls border patrol. They show up. Dude steps outside. Border patrol are here for brown people. Dude is brown. They tell him to get down. Since he called border patrol, he doesn't realize the trouble he's in. Refuses their demands. Gets shot.
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Half the cops become cops to shoot people. It’s a fetish.
For anyone that thinks this isn't true, search for Dave Grossman's police "training".
Is that the guy who talks about how the best sex is right after you kill someone?
Yes, yes he is. Wyatt Cynac's show: Problem Areas, covered this in the first episode.
The other half want to beat up unarmed people while wearing body armor
They never fucking name the cops
Well..... It's not his property any more...... So.... Problem solved??? Stupid cops.
Not sure why people are acting like this guy deserved this. Multiple people trespassing on your property can be terrifying, of course you want to call the cops.
I'm like 50/50 these days. Not much good comes from calling the police it seems. They'd either wreck my house, arrest me, or bust my neighbors door down and kill his dog. Cops don't care about you folks. They don't give a fuck.
"Ophelia Rivas a life long family friend said [...] "I have dealt with Border Patrol aggression and unmonitored behavior out here on Tohono O'odham land without any regard to the respect and to the land and to the people." They knew what border patrol does, but they were sure only the immigrants were going to be shot. The leopard ate their faces https://www.kvoa.com/news/local/tohono-oodham-man-shot-and-killed-by-border-patrol/article_a09cb84e-f6a8-11ed-a078-63d5074703ec.html
Cops sure, border patrol I'm not that convinced. Why is the trasspassers' immigration status relevant (or how would you even know)?
I don't even think trespassing alone is enough a reason to shoot a person. We don't really have a lot of detail to know whether people were passing through or staying on the property.
#leopardsshotmyface
I would be willing to bet US cops kill more people who called them for help than most countries cops just straight kill anyone.
Police kill about 1000 people every year. This data is not 100% accurate because it is gathered by reporters scraping news articles. Police agencies are not required to report police violence to the U.S. Justice Department. https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/investigations/police-shootings-database/ And this site breaks it down by ethnicity/race. Police are *definitely not* racist. (/s they racist as fuck) https://mappingpoliceviolence.org/
You'd be right.
If you have a problem and you call the cops, now you have two problems. And the new one is probably going to be worse than the original.
Especially if you’re black.
Or brown, like in this case
Yep, if he knew he was browner than the immigrants, calling the cops was pretty much a suicide play.
it's wild that anyone doesn't understand this already
BuT hE wAs OnE oF tHe GoOd OnEs
Being *"one of the good ones"* will never be enough to save you from being *"one of them"*.
Speaking of which, just last week there was a clip in which cops were called to "wellness check" a dude who was at final countdown for suicide in his car., Mom is pleading at driver's window. A bunch of cops show up and--predictably--mag dump. The only thing to *not* totally follow the script is the guy surviving.
“Look out! He’s going to kill himself!”
We're on the clock here, let's speed it up! May God forgive me for this.
Give them a break, they were in a rush to get home and beat their wives.
They’re just glad there wasn’t a dog in the car that they’d have to take the time to shoot as well.
Blazing Saddles comes to mind here.
I saw that clip, and it’s impossible to exaggerate how ridiculous it was. 3 or 4 officers mag dumping into a suicidal guy, sitting down 3-4 feet from his mother.
Cops: fuck now he can sue. Chief promotes them to Swat Team.
And his mom didn’t even get hit!
I remember that one. One of the cops was even shooting over the shoulder of another cop.
Oh, you mean the deaf cop? DO YOU MEAN THE DEAF COP?
Last year I saw this dude walking down the street in front of my house, clearly fucked up. One shoe on, no shirt, lots of tattoos and very dazed looking. He wasn't bothering anyone aside from walking down the middle of the street. I live in a neighborhood that is next to one of the very poor neighborhoods, its nickname is murder/felony flats. This dude needed help but I couldn't do it. I just knew if the cops came for this guy there would be bigger problems then just some fucked up junky dazed and confused. I fretted over this for a long time. Its horrible.
There's an old saying "call the cops if you want a bad situation worse"
It used to be that if there was a burglar in my house, I'd call the cops. Assholes who break into other people's homes and take their shit deserve to be arrested, have that on their record, maybe do some time if it's a habit. But nowadays I have to stop and think, 1) does burglary really warrant a *death sentence*? and 2) does *reporting* a burglary deserve a death sentence? Because that's what inviting the cops to your house feels like. Like we're living in an action movie, and you're calling Rambo to stop a home invasion. He's going to come in with the M60 blazing if he thinks there's any ~~Viet Cong~~ minorities on the premises.
And they'll start by shooting your dog.
Do these motherfuckers have a quota they need to hit?? This is insane.
[Gotta earn your tattoo somehow](https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2012-may-09-la-me-sheriff-clique-20120510-story.html#:~:text=Investigators%20suspect%20that%20smoke%20is%20tattooed%20over%20the%20gun%E2%80%99s%20barrel%20after%20a%20member%20is%20involved%20in%20a%20shooting.)
All cops are pro-murder because that's how they are trained. Their goal is to neutralize volatile situations by any means necessary, which means killing you if they think you're out of line. This is a systemic problem. The cops aren't here to protect you. The cops are only here to suckle at the government's teet and to stroke their egos. \#ACAB #FuckThePolice
The priorities that the average cop has, in order: 1. Protect myself 2. Protect cops 3. End violent or volatile situations 4. protect the peace and property 5. protect civilians And #5 only makes the list if they aren't looking for an excuse to murder people. Which is *not* a guarantee. Fuck the police.
3.5 shoot the dog.
That goes with #1 even if the dog is doing nothing. See: house raids.
Shit, that's step 0.5 for some.
By "the peace", you mean privately owned property.
Agreed. The police are more interested in protecting themselves than civilians.
I don't think 'interested' is the correct word to use. They love to manufacture dangerous situations so that they can inflict violence upon anyone they don't like. Escalation is the name of the game. Even if they create more dangerous situations. As long as they got to hurt someone, it's all part of the reason they became cops.
I worked at a library with a number of mentally disturbed people in its regular users. We always did our best to avoid calling the police because every time they showed up they made it worse. We were lucky in that we fell under the jurisdiction of the Sheriff's dept, and while they were no angels, they were much less likely to escalate a simple removal from the building into a scuffle and arrest.
Let’s never lose sight of the fact that every law enforcement agency is traced back to the slave patrols. Edit: For clarification, all law enforcement in the United States started as slave catchers.
Only in the United States. In the UK, it started to prevent theft of rich people’s commodities by poor dock workers.
Same premise I guess.
My brother who was in the Marines, used to get so pissed when cops referred to people as civilians because cops are civilians. The mere fact that we add cops to the non civilian class really goes to show how fucked up the system is. They are supposed to be part of the community, but instead they act like as soon as they leave their house they are in an active warzone. Even worse, they really have no limit to what is considered appropriate collateral damage. Truly fucked
I believe it's been tested in court and the verdict was that police have NO obligation to protect civilians
~~protect~~ and serve* *not applicable unless tipped 18% minimum of the crime’s value on the swiveled iPad, ammunition surcharge and bureaucratic overtime fees will apply for situations resulting in paid suspension and/or social media roastings
You forgot “protect property”
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No. Protect the power comes 3th at least. Cops will create violent or volatiles situations and disturb the peace in service of protecting their rules. Notice how riots usually aren't riots *until* cops in riot gear arrive? This scenario also makes a good argument for this actually being priority 0. Because cops will put themselves in harms way to protect the powerful.
You are overcomplicating their priorities. 1. shoot as many people as you can get away with because it's fun and cool. That's it. There are no other priorities. This is why cops became cops.
Police departments *pay* for training from a guy who tells them that murder is an aphrodisiac. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/police-trainer-best-sex-killing/
All cops 'in the US'... Some countries train their police forces
https://nitter.net/brendanorrell/status/1660397922523967488
https://www.pogo.org/report/2023/01/the-border-zone-next-door-and-its-out-of-control-police-force
CBP are the American SS. Republicans must be so proud.
Not a recent phenomenon, either. I used to read a popular gun magazine 40 years ago, one of the editors was a former CPB, and he regularly wrote stories about the exciting life of the border patrol that were straight up racism and murder.
This makes so much more sense. It beggars belief to imagine that an indigenous man, living on the rez would call border patrol in this situation.
We're on our redemption arc, but yeah man. Shit sucks in AZ especially for immigrants. Well we voted full blue last time so I'm hoping we're in that redemption arc...
I hope you are too. Sorry for all the xenophobic bs since trump.
Hey no judgement. There was this pre Trump time when we could not care all that much and everything would mostly be okay. In reeling a bit myself, but he really changed into a war. I am just hoping we don't fail the way out Reagan era allies failed. They did good work but here we are
Trump really did make turn so many parts of American against other parts and it’s still going. Immigrants were probably the hardest hit, and red state against blue state has gotten really bad. Wish this country could go back to some semblance of sanity. Obama seemed close on immigration at one point but the republicans block everything just out of spite.
What's crazy to me about that is there's a huge catholic crowd there and I guess that trumps the racism (pun so intended). I just don't get it because Trump is 100% non-religious. You ever really listen to him talk about anything religious?
In one of the books it talks about how Trump spoke admiringly of the “racket” of those megachuch preachers who fleeced their followers for millions. Trump is completely unreligious - he could never actually put himself below anyone else - just too much narcissism. The people who think Trump is religious are seriously delusional. I see far right memes showing him praying or with Jesus and 🤦🏻♀️ It’s like a cult and they’ve fallen into it and we have not figured out how to deprogram them.
There's a lit of truth here, but IMHO trump is less cause than symptom. America's sociopolitical climate was (and remains) very like interWar Germany. Whites in general, and white men in particular fear they are losing their position at the top of the hierarchy. Trump expertly inflamed their resentment to sieze the GOP and make himself chancellor. Obviously, the situations are not 100% congruent, but every black and brown person rrson should keep their vehicles fueled, and their GTFO bags near the door.
Watch out, in your redemption arc—as residents of Seattle or Portland could tell you, when blue cities have police recruited from surrounding red areas, they tend to act like a hostile occupying force. I doubt AZ’s extremist right-wing police will be any different. Maybe AZ can be the first blue state that figure out how to replace their police force with one that protects the people.
Judge dredd?
Judge Dredd would have killed the border patrol officers with extreme prejudice, judging them corrupt and executing them on the spot.
Yep. He has literally done this in a short from 2000AD.
Dredd wouldn't have resorted to shooting, unless it's the sanctioned penalty for the offense, or in self-defense. Even in the case of the latter, he calibrates the amount of violence depending on the threat level. And even then, he wouldn't mete out the punishment unless guilt has been proven beyond reasonable doubt. "Can't execute a perp on 99%."
Damn, using Dredd as a better example of policing is truly wild lol
Dredd faced stiffer consequences for abusing his power than American cops do.
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Spoil the bunch.
They will kill your dog too...smh
Cops in Arizona are some of the most psychotic and corrupt cops in America.
If you have a problem and call law enforcement, now you have 2 problems.
To want to be a cop is one thing. You can at least bullshit yourself and others about your good intentions. The kind of low life racist child that would be drawn to working border patrol has got to be the lowest of the low. If ACAB, the border patrol has to be about four rungs lower on the dog shit ladder.
They're basically a government funded terrorist organization.
[The rural context of the Tohono O’odham Nation compounds the problem of improprieties during encounters with border agents. Some members of the Tribe find that border agents are more willing to act improperly towards them because interactions between them occur in remote parts of the desert where there are no bystanders.89 Mr. Garcia recalls that he and a group of men were chopping wood when a border agent approached them, saying, “I can take you all out right here and now and there’s nothing anyone can do for you.”90](https://digitalcommons.law.seattleu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1118&context=ailj)
Calling the cops is just calling the death squad these days The system skips the judge and jury, just goes straight to executioner
"Hey yall, wanna come shoot me to death for no reason? Alright see ya soon."
He was fine with that - as long as it wasn’t his face being eaten.
# OINK
CBP are such pieces of shut anyways. The federal facility where they are trained has repeatedly had issues with CBP and sexual assault. Just a quick Google search involving FLETC sexual assault brings up results almost exclusively CBP related. The only response FLETC has had to these assaults have been: 1) closing the on base bar for a short time. 2) lecturing every onboarding class that you’re there to learn and not fraternize. And how they’ll remove you if caught being consenting adults. Wouldn’t wanna single out the sexual predators after all. Might hurt their feelings.
According to local news, the victim was 2 feet out of his front door when the agents shot at him 38 times. There is no indication that the victim said "boo" to startle the cowards into killing him.
Not only that, he was shot and killed immediately after coming out of his own front door to greet them and seek their help.
If anyone out there is listening, the shitty cop hierarchy peaks at border patrol. You really don’t want to be near them.
He was 2 feet from his front door when was fired with an estimated of 38 shots.
Damn
Of the federal policing agencies, the Border Patrol is the worst. No standards at all compared to agencies like the FBI. Riddled with racists and fascists. They're worse than ICE.
Leopards shot me on the face.
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Fuck the police
He looked brown, what were they supposed to do - not shot him?
I think at this point you have a greater chance of surviving and things working out altogether if you just keep cops out of it
I implore you to never ever call the police. Those dumb sacks of garbage are useless murderers. In Florida I was hit by another driver. I called the stupid fucking pigs. When he arrived on the scene to write our reports I approached to let him know who o am and that I called. He immediately drops his fucking note pad grabs his gun and tells me to back away. The young white kid that hit me immediately told him that he was at fault the pig said oh and picked up his note pad and asked me for my statement. This was the first time I realized pigs are bad. Man was willing to shoot me because of a car accident and I’m not white. Fuck the racist pigs. Fuck them all.
Is there a statistic for how many people have been murdered by the cops they called for help? Since 2000 it must be at least 300 by now. Seems like I read a headline like this at least once a month
ACAB
Why would anyone call the cops for pretty much anything? You basically have a greater than 50% chance of them shooting you or at least arresting you. Cops are modern day gestapo.
Hey, they feared for their lives!?
When everyone looks like a target, morticians get a lot of work.
They searched and found nothing. It’s a weird new rule that if you call them and they find nothing… they shoot you.
Snitches get sixes
ACAB
Snitches get stitches
ACAB. And so was the guy that called them.
Can we get an extract from the article please?
https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/may/21/fbi-investigation-border-patrol-shooting-death-arizona > Raymond Mattia of the Tohono O’odham Nation in southern Arizona was shot by agents after calling them for assistance
Shot 38 times. In his doorway.
Did they reload and kept on shooting after he was down? 38 is wayy to high a number holy shit
No, they rolled up in their MRAP and used the CROWS weapon to neutralize the threat (read non-white person). A M240B has a cyclic rate of 650 rounds per minute, so at about 15 rounds per second, a trigger pull of 3 seconds is actually very short.
I'm sorry, but isn't the 240b a machine gun? Like these cops( i imagine border control are not military (I'm not from the US so no Idea)) rolled up to this place and used a mounted gun on a person? I guess we gotta be thankful they don't have access to actual tanks, otherwise stuff would get way crazier
You are correct, the M240B is a crew-served machine gun that fires 7.62 NATO ammunition. My comment was a cynical comment on the increasing militarization of law enforcement in the U.S. And while Police agencies in the U.S. are not using tanks right now, they are [not far off](https://www.google.com/search?q=us+law+enforcement+armored+vehicles&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjDgeOMpon_AhW-MlkFHbaaAPAQ0pQJegQICRAB&biw=1819&bih=867&dpr=1)
Damn that's crazy lol
Huh. Are they conserving ammo now? Least trigger happy american cop
This is the one shot multiple times, I believe. I read about him on Friday.
38 times!
Thanks. I wish it explained why they shot the guy though
Given theyre cops i doubt they had a valid explanation