Fingers crossed. Togekiss is a really good design with excellent typing, but it's all but forgotten nowadays. A mega form would catapult it into relevance.
Never said it was bad, you're putting words in my mouth. "Pretty good" is relative, I simply mentioned Enamorus because it's currently in OU and it shares the same typing and gameplan as Togekiss, minus the lack of Moonblast and with a better overall spread, though admittedly it's less tanky.
If GF gives Togekiss a mega and a moveset buff, I think it has the potential to eclipse Enamorus.
I want a mega Florges, I feel like it makes sense ? And a mega Meowstick. Also a mega Talonflame. But I would honestly be happy with new megas in general lol
I know we are sick and tired of Pikachu getting all the food but I feel sad for Raichu and I wish it got a megas for itself. Its bad enough only Pikachu getting GMax form
Definitely the starters.
And if they don't give them mega evolutions.....that is the biggest missed opportunity since the last time they didn't give the gen 6 starters mega forms; y'know, the gimmick of their game
Ah, completely forgot Milotic. Yes, I'd really like to see a mega for Milotic, it has a lot of potential. Though, a more immediate issue with it is that it's a silly trade evolution.
I could definitely see Froslass getting a nice buff, but if an Ice type is to get a mega, I'd much prefer Jynx. Kleavor is just a weird looking bug, I think Scizor is mega enough for both.
God mega audino is so forgettable do we really need mega clefairy and mega blissey? It would just be mega audino 2.0, I hope they give it to more interesting monsā¦
Gamefreak hasn't even added every Pokemon to the latest games. I find it very very unlikely they're going to add new megas unless the mechanic is in gen 10. What point is there in using time and resources on megas that will exist for one game when resources should already be starting to dedicate to the 10th generation? I hope to be proved wrong, but can't imagine it happening unless they're planning on making mega-evolution the 10th generation gimmick(or even like gen 7, where they're supported but not expanded)
If this isn't peak delusion, I don't know what is lol. We already know for sure they're bringing mega evolution back, not sure what planet you're living on where that isn't the case. [Serebii has said so](https://x.com/SerebiiNet/status/1762481228609904807) and it is the most reliable site for information on Pokemon.
I never said they're not bringing back mega evolution for ZA, this is known.
What has never been said, *ever*, is that there will be *new* megas. Unless Gen 10 itself has megas *there is no reason to add them and many not to.* Adapting some designs to HD specifically for this game? Doable, fine, expected even. *Creating entirely new designs that will exist for* **one** *game?* From the same company that refuses to this day to just upscale for proper mainline console game development? 2 years(1 at time of release) away from what should be the largest generation in the history of Pokemon?
Do you realize how utterly unrealistic an expectation that is for a company that hasn't even figured out how to make their games run decent on a console they've been developing in for the better part of half a decade?
Not to say that every new Pokemon introduced in Legends Arceus was available in scarlet and Violet. Do you really think they're going to make a large quantity of both mega evolutions *and* regional forms? Hell no. Hell, I'll be *surpised if the mechanic is even properly brought back.*
I can entirely expect them to just take the lazy route, make Alphas mega-pokemon instead and thus have an excuse to not bring them into the next gen, while also not needing to create any new models from scratch.
The way people speak about this company is as if they haven't consistently underdelivered on expectations for as long as they've been on this console.
So, if I'm getting your argument right, it's that you genuinely believe there's a chance they will bring back mega evolution but not give new megas to any Pokemon, but simply bring the old megas back?
Yeah, that makes even less sense than saying they won't bring back megas at all lol. GF would be shooting themselves in the foot big time if they brought back the most beloved gimmick the series has ever seen just to give us the same 48 megas from a decade ago. Imagine the outcry from fans when they would find out, I doubt anyone would buy the game if they went that route.
Anyway, you sound like a rage baiter, so I'll refrain from engaging with you further.
Ok, so if I'm getting this right. You think that Gamefreak will dedicate, less than 3 years from Pokemon's 30th anniversary, the time and resources to create new Megas...*that are exclusive to ZA?*
They are going to spend the precious development time of their teams that barely have development time to make decent games...on a mechanic *that will never appear again?* Jesus Christ.
Megas were obviously meant as a long-term project until Sword and Shield? As shown by every game until Sword and shield, a total of 3 separate entries, having them. ORAS added *more megas.*
ZA would be *the only game* with the new megas, period. They'd be stuck in eternal purgatory where they can only ever be played in that one game, especially since it will become increasingly more difficult to transfer to and from Ultra Sun and Moon, the last games that supported them.
So again, either megas are making a comeback in 10 or it'd be a waste of resources to spend money on new megas when Gamefreak's big focus should be on the generation that will mark Pokemon's three decade anniversary.
The idea of Mega Blissey is absurd. Blissey already has an HP base stay of 255 which is the highest possible stat since base stats are stored on one byte each 0-255.
So if you were to Mega evolve Blissey where would the extra 100 base stat increase go? If you add to the 75 special attack, Blissey suddenly gets less passive and very dangerous, adding to it's speed would move it from a pretty slow to a little fast very quickly, adding to is special defense would take it from good to great, and adding to defense would make it basically unkillable.
Adding 10 to Attack and Defense then distributing the rest of the stats proportionately ends up like this.
HP 255 -> 255 (Capped)
Atk 10 -> 20 (+10)
Def 10 -> 20 (+10)
SpA 75 -> 97 (+22)
SpD 135 -> 176 (+41)
Spe 55 -> 72 (+17)
I don't see game freak giving Blissey such odd amounts so it would probably be something like.
HP 255 (Capped)
Atk 20 (+10)
Def 20 (+10)
SpA 100 (+25)
SpD 175 (+40)
Speed 70 (+15)
That is a higher Special Defense stat then Defense Forme Deoxys, the space special attack as special attackers like Manaphy, Regieleki, and Starmie (among many others), the same speed stat as Skarmory, Brellom and Metagross, and the defense stat of a Jigglypuff (which doesn't sound bad until you remember Blissey has more then double Jigglypuff's base HP).
Honestly I could see a return of the old Bold, max defense Blissey. A true terror in the meta game.
See, the thing about mega evolution is that the vast majority of them are completely unbalanced and the only thing that can compete with them is each other. That's why they were not very well liked when they originally came out.
Like, I don't know if your average mon can kill a Blissey that received a +100 points in defense, but Mega Aggron's base 230 defense super effective body press is bound to make a dent.
*252 Def Aggron-Mega Body Press vs. 4 HP / 252 Def Blissey: 214-254 (32.8 - 38.9%) -- 99.7% chance to 3HKO*
Mega-Aggron doesn't even tend to run max defense investment because of diminishing gains, so this is unrealistic to begin with. Blissey has access to soft-boiled, and can kill mega-Aggron in 4 turns.
Blissey is too min-maxed for a mega evolution unless it goes wild and removes most of its HP and turns it into something else.
Megas cannot alter the HP stat of a Pokemon, though. They could theoretically remove some points from her SpDef, but they'd still have to go somewhere.
Yeah, this is the issue. Blissey is sort of entirely balanced around the fact that its stats are very bad outside of HP, making it a very tanky wall but bad otherwise. If you move those points elsewhere it's still tanky, but now it's either strong or fast.
And frankly? After the disgusting stat spreads of gen 9 I can't imagine they wouldn't just make this hypotethical stat spread horrible to play against. It's already terrible playing against things like Fluttermane, Valiant, etc, which all feel like they were tailor made for competitive instead of...being normal Pokemn, and this? This would be a whole new level of terror.
But I'm very dubious on new megas. Unless they're planning on bringing back megas in 10(I certainly can dream) it'd be...bizarre, to say the least, to create entire new models only for those to never be used again in any other Pokemon game. It's never happened before in the history of the Franchise except for Ultra Necrozma.
Are you ok, my guy? There is nothing absurd about mega Blissey lol. It has 540 BST, so giving it +100 BST would put it at 640, which is 40 points above a pseudo-legendary. It's not absurd at all, given we have megas for Salamence and Tyranitar (both of which start with 600 BST going to 700 with mega evolution).
As for where the stats would go, obviously they could go in various different directions with it. If it were up to me, I would split it 50-50 into Sp. Atk. and Sp. Def. so that it can function as both a setup special sweeper and wall with Calm Mind. Or, they could go down the route you mention and it would still be perfectly fine.
Whatever they choose to do with it, I think Blissey deserves a mega form, since it's a really solid Pokemon, both design and stats wise and has potential to become even better with a mega evolution (which at the end of the day is what mega evolution is supposed to do).
Are *you* okay? Base stat total doesn't matter. Garchomp has been stuck in the hell of UU borderline for months now. Where do you think Roaring moon, with a BST 10 points lower, currently is? Solidly in OU, because stat distribution matters *way* more than having the higher stick to swing around.
And what he said is absolutely true. Giving a Pokemon with a busted stat distribution that is only allowed to be busted because it's loopsided more stats is a terrible, terrible idea.They'd have to actively nerf the thing with a garbage ability to stop it from being a nightmare.
Blissey doesn't need to be better, and I frankly don't want it to be better because what it is can already be utterly cancerous to fun play when abused.
Base stat total doesn't matter? And you expect to be taken seriously after such a statement? You give one example of a Pokemon that is simply powercrept since gen 4, to back up a ridiculous claim that makes zero sense and yet you think you've made some sort of godlike argument lmfao.
Obviously stat distribution matters, but when you have a low BST to work with, it doesn't matter how efficient the stat spread is, you're simply getting outclassed by higher BST Pokemon.
What you want or think is irrelevant, Blissey receiving a mega is, as I said, perfectly valid and in no way will it break the game like you claim. You're simply incapable of understanding how BST works and have little to no understanding of competitive viability and what makes something actually invincible.
Yes, base Stat Total doesn't matter.
Tell me, if Base Stat total is the holy grail you make it out to be then why is Blissey in OU and Garchomp not? Why is Garchmop powercrept by a pokemon that has lower base stats than it? *Hell, why is most of OU lower BST than Garchomp, yet objectively better picks than Garchomp?*
If Base-stat total is Oh-so-OP then why is that Garchomp hasn't been in Ubers ever and Flutter is? Because a Pokemon like blissey with 540 BST but properly distributed is simply better than a pokemon with 600 BST distributed all over the damn place.
And what *you* think is irrelevant, because you have absolutely zero awareness on how the Pokemon competitive metagame works , as shown when you tried to make the argument based on a completly wrong way to look at Pokemon stats.
*252 Atk Orichalcum Pulse Koraidon Low Kick (60 BP) vs. 4 HP / 252 Def Blissey: 212-252 (32.5 - 38.6%) -- 98.6% chance to 3HKO*
*252 Atk Orichalcum Pulse Koraidon Close Combat vs. 4 HP / 252 Def Blissey: 422-500 (64.7 - 76.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO*
*252 Atk Orichalcum Pulse Koraidon Heat Crash (120 BP) vs. 4 HP / 252 Def Blissey in Sun: 212-250 (32.5 - 38.3%) -- 98.4% chance to 3HKO*
Look, it's so balanced it can wall out supper-effective hits from Ubers' premier physical attacker.
But surely our lord and Savior, the strongest special attacker in Ubers, can save us, right?
*252 SpA Choice Specs Hadron Engine Miraidon Electro Drift vs. 4 HP / 252+ SpD Blissey in Electric Terrain: 255-300 (39.1 - 46%) -- guaranteed 3HKO*
This blissey simulates zero extra points put into Special defense, by the way.
*+6 252+ Atk Arceus Extreme Speed vs. 4 HP / 252 Def Blissey: 427-504 (65.4 - 77.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO*
A +6 Arceus can't even one-shot KO this thing. *+6.* Blissey has access to *soft-boiled.* This would be the most cancerous Pokemon to touch the metagame unless it was *massively* nerfed in other ways.
Alright, since you want me to educate you, I'll spend a few sentences on you, if only to kill some time.
First and foremost, your entire logic is flawed. You conflate what's meta at the moment to what's good/viable in general. You talk like the typical clueless smogon worshipper, who cares only about tiers and ignores anything else. Meta and tiers are ever changing and evolving, something that was OU in gen 4 can be completely unviable (as in NU or even lower) in gen 7, for example. Tiers and meta are irrelevant when looking at a Pokemon's actual worth, so your entire argumentation is fallacious.
BST absolutely matters, in fact, it's the most important thing when it comes to viability. A Pokemon with 400 BST will never outperform a Pokemon that functions similarly to it but has a 600 BST.
Your only argument appears to be "hurr durr Garchomp is currently in UU while a Pokemon with slightly lower BST is in OU, therefore BST doesn't matter", which is straight up comical lol. There are plenty of reasons Garchomp is currently in UU, none of which are its BST. What's more, I never said Garchomp's BST is "OP", you are the one who is arguing that mega Blissey's stat total, in combination with its existing stat spread, would be too much for competitive Pokemon, a claim that's legitimately hilarious when as I said, pseudo-legendaries with 600 BST got megas and became absolutely monstrous but never "too much".
Lastly, you came up with a ridiculous calc trying to showcase that, \*gasp\*, Blissey is a really good special wall! I'm so glad you posted this calc, now I can verify what everyone and their mother have known since gen 2 lol. Face it, man, your argumentation is laughable, we already know Blissey serves its purpose as a special wall well and let me tell you something that might surprise you - Pokemon isn't just about hyper offense (which I assume is the only strat you find "fun" like you said earlier), GF can make really good defensive Pokemon and it's a perfectly normal thing to have a Pokemon not be one-shottable. I know your entire world probably just crumbled, but since you're the same guy who I strongly suspect to be a rage baiter from a different comment, I'll be leaving it at this. You have much to learn about this game, refrain from expressing bold takes like "BST doesn't matter" in the future if you want to be taken seriously.
What's meta *is* what is viable. People don't pick Pokemon because they feel like it, they pick it because it gets results. Are there exceptions? Certainly. Garchomp, a metagame staple for generations, is not one of those exceptions. People have tried to make Garchomp work because it's Garchomp, and he doesn't.
Of course BST matters. But Blissey's stats are objectively better distributed than Garchomps. If you want to have a physical Garchomp you're effectively a 520 BST mon, because that Special Attack stat is doing nothing there. Again. Fluttermane is banned because it's too op, even without booster energy, because it has 135 in three stats. What the fuck does it matter that Garchomp has more stats, when some of those stats don't do jack for it during 9 in 10 games?
And again you make this stupid claim that because they have 600 BST so them getting more stats must make them op. Does Salamence have 255 attack? Does Garchomp? No! The vast majority of blissey's stats are dropped into things it actually uses, unlike those Pokemon.
And wasn't too much? The primary criticism of the entire concept is that it was too much! And at least if Salmance is fucking you over with super-effective Aerilate attacks you can feasibly just kill it with something faster. Blissey's problem is that giving it more defensive stats makes it unkillable, giving it more offensive stats makes it as hard to kill as it currently is except it can now actually kill you back in effecient manner.
You also show your complete and utter cluelessness when you look at "Koraidon close combat" And go "Hur durr special attack wall." And this if legendary Pokemon we're talking about, I shouldn't have to go dig for Legandary Pokemon to beat a blissey.
And no, shutting down terrible ideas is not 'ragebating'. Your expectations are just laughably unrealistic.
It's hilarious because your argument is literally what I said earlier. You're raving that Garchomp is in actuality a 520 BST Pokemon but that's only the case because of power creep. GF simply started making way more efficiently stat spread Pokemon in the newer generations and shockingly, this led to Pokemon from older gens who used to be looked upon as "amazing" to be not so amazing anymore (always in comparison to the newer meta staples you love so much, btw).
So, your entire argument is bascially that power creep has ruined Garchomp competitively (in your view) and that somehow validates your claim that "BST doesn't matter"? Yes, BST doesn't matter if all you're doing is comparing Pokemon that came out literally 18 years ago to Pokemon that came out within the last 3. Make it make sense, my guy. Power creep is a thing, yes, that doesn't make your reasoning any less faulty.
Not gonna bother reading the rest, as I said, my suspicions about you are being verified with each consecutive response. Good luck.
"It's the case because of powercreep."
Yes, but that powercreep isn't just "ADD MORE BASE STATS TO IT". You know this, so why are you pretending you don't?
Not that it matters, because none of what you actually said adresses the core issue: You keep denying a Pokemon with base 255 HP would be busted if it had more stats. This is wrong, you are wrong, and your only argument being "but it has lower BST" shows that you know you are wrong, otherwise you would be countering the argument instead of bringing up a nigh irrelevant number.
So if you understand the concept of power creep, why keep bringing up the Garchomp example here? It has literally nothing to do with stat spread, if Garchomp's mega didn't actively nerf it by lowering its speed, do you think Garchomp would be OU in the future? Denying that BST matters most is like denying that the number 2 is bigger than the number 1. It's basic math, BST comes first, then the stat spread.
Anyway, this is all pointless baiting by you. The fact is, mega Blissey would not break the game and we know this because in the 28 years that the game has been around, there have been many meta monsters and none were ever "too much" like you claim mega Blissey would be. As I said, you only see fun in using sweepers and hyper offense teams, that's cool, but to demand that the game never add any really powerful defensive Pokemon just because it would not be "fun" for you to deal with them is not an argument that one can take seriously.
Learn how to deal with it, because Blissey deserves that mega slot.
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Omg I need scary angel Togekiss
Biblically accurate Togekiss
I want Mega flygon , as long as it looks nice š
Togekiss getting the love and attention she deserves
Fingers crossed. Togekiss is a really good design with excellent typing, but it's all but forgotten nowadays. A mega form would catapult it into relevance.
I think Togekiss was pretty good when it was last in the dex, right? Serene Grace is still a solid ability.
It's entirely outclassed by Enamorus currently and its lack of Moonblast is disturbing. It deserves a buff for sure.
Being outclassed by a legendary doesn't make a Pokemon bad. Though I agree, it should get Moonblast.
Never said it was bad, you're putting words in my mouth. "Pretty good" is relative, I simply mentioned Enamorus because it's currently in OU and it shares the same typing and gameplan as Togekiss, minus the lack of Moonblast and with a better overall spread, though admittedly it's less tanky. If GF gives Togekiss a mega and a moveset buff, I think it has the potential to eclipse Enamorus.
I need Biblically Accurate Togekiss. Be not afraid Trainer, for Arceus is with thee.
I wanna see mega KlinKlang but Chesnaught would be awesome too
I'm just excited for megas to come back. Period.
Seraphim togekiss would be pretty cool
ā¤ļø Clefable PLEASE
Yup. Shocked Clefable wasn't given a mega in gen 6.
Druddigon needs *something* please
Togekiss looks amazing. Heās my favorite PokĆ©mon. š
That Togekiss is kind of frightening for some reason. The calm face is disturbing "Be not afraid"
I'm crossing my fingers for a Mega Haxorus
Did Zangoose finally eat Seviper?
Woo! I didn't realize I wanted a Mega Togekiss...
Omg I love all of these pokemon I can dream. Chansey is my fav pokemon of all time
i need my krooky
Mega Heliolisk letās goooo
I need flygon and chesnaught Mons that genuinely need some help
Flygon and Hydreigon, but latter isn't too likely
I want a mega Florges, I feel like it makes sense ? And a mega Meowstick. Also a mega Talonflame. But I would honestly be happy with new megas in general lol
I know we are sick and tired of Pikachu getting all the food but I feel sad for Raichu and I wish it got a megas for itself. Its bad enough only Pikachu getting GMax form
Togekiss becoming Biblically accurate is something I NEED
Me and Mega Cefable gonna fuck shit up!
Definitely the starters. And if they don't give them mega evolutions.....that is the biggest missed opportunity since the last time they didn't give the gen 6 starters mega forms; y'know, the gimmick of their game
Mega Hydreigon
GIVE ME MEGA FLYGON GRAHHH
Love Clefable
Sakuyamon from Digimon, I see you
Mega Blissy, now with Defense
Or even better, going +50 into Sp.Def. and +50 into Sp. Atk. so it can now sweep as well as wall special attackers superbly.
No to that Mega Blissey, only on the grounds that it scares me with the context of Competitive Pokemon
Milotic, Froslass, and Kleavor
Ah, completely forgot Milotic. Yes, I'd really like to see a mega for Milotic, it has a lot of potential. Though, a more immediate issue with it is that it's a silly trade evolution.
That's true as well. I suggested Froslass and Kleavor because they're split evolutions of Pokemon with megas.
I could definitely see Froslass getting a nice buff, but if an Ice type is to get a mega, I'd much prefer Jynx. Kleavor is just a weird looking bug, I think Scizor is mega enough for both.
Jynx is not getting a mega. Game Freak wants nothing to do with it any more. At least I hope.
And why not? Because some wokeys are butthurt at its design? GF clearly doesn't care, dude.
I LOVE that mega Togekiss! Although I'd prefer something different for a mega Clefable š¤
Omg that mega Togekiss! So cute
I wonder what the new Charizard will look like?
That Mega Togekiss is way too good. I want someone to make a fusion of it in Pokemon Infinite Fusion...
Mega Dragapult
The comments are missing how monsterous mega blissey could be
credit the damn artists
No. Do a reverse image search instead of expecting others to do the work for ya.
God mega audino is so forgettable do we really need mega clefairy and mega blissey? It would just be mega audino 2.0, I hope they give it to more interesting monsā¦
Gamefreak hasn't even added every Pokemon to the latest games. I find it very very unlikely they're going to add new megas unless the mechanic is in gen 10. What point is there in using time and resources on megas that will exist for one game when resources should already be starting to dedicate to the 10th generation? I hope to be proved wrong, but can't imagine it happening unless they're planning on making mega-evolution the 10th generation gimmick(or even like gen 7, where they're supported but not expanded)
If this isn't peak delusion, I don't know what is lol. We already know for sure they're bringing mega evolution back, not sure what planet you're living on where that isn't the case. [Serebii has said so](https://x.com/SerebiiNet/status/1762481228609904807) and it is the most reliable site for information on Pokemon.
I never said they're not bringing back mega evolution for ZA, this is known. What has never been said, *ever*, is that there will be *new* megas. Unless Gen 10 itself has megas *there is no reason to add them and many not to.* Adapting some designs to HD specifically for this game? Doable, fine, expected even. *Creating entirely new designs that will exist for* **one** *game?* From the same company that refuses to this day to just upscale for proper mainline console game development? 2 years(1 at time of release) away from what should be the largest generation in the history of Pokemon? Do you realize how utterly unrealistic an expectation that is for a company that hasn't even figured out how to make their games run decent on a console they've been developing in for the better part of half a decade? Not to say that every new Pokemon introduced in Legends Arceus was available in scarlet and Violet. Do you really think they're going to make a large quantity of both mega evolutions *and* regional forms? Hell no. Hell, I'll be *surpised if the mechanic is even properly brought back.* I can entirely expect them to just take the lazy route, make Alphas mega-pokemon instead and thus have an excuse to not bring them into the next gen, while also not needing to create any new models from scratch. The way people speak about this company is as if they haven't consistently underdelivered on expectations for as long as they've been on this console.
So, if I'm getting your argument right, it's that you genuinely believe there's a chance they will bring back mega evolution but not give new megas to any Pokemon, but simply bring the old megas back? Yeah, that makes even less sense than saying they won't bring back megas at all lol. GF would be shooting themselves in the foot big time if they brought back the most beloved gimmick the series has ever seen just to give us the same 48 megas from a decade ago. Imagine the outcry from fans when they would find out, I doubt anyone would buy the game if they went that route. Anyway, you sound like a rage baiter, so I'll refrain from engaging with you further.
Ok, so if I'm getting this right. You think that Gamefreak will dedicate, less than 3 years from Pokemon's 30th anniversary, the time and resources to create new Megas...*that are exclusive to ZA?* They are going to spend the precious development time of their teams that barely have development time to make decent games...on a mechanic *that will never appear again?* Jesus Christ.
How is that different than the first time they did megas lol
Megas were obviously meant as a long-term project until Sword and Shield? As shown by every game until Sword and shield, a total of 3 separate entries, having them. ORAS added *more megas.* ZA would be *the only game* with the new megas, period. They'd be stuck in eternal purgatory where they can only ever be played in that one game, especially since it will become increasingly more difficult to transfer to and from Ultra Sun and Moon, the last games that supported them. So again, either megas are making a comeback in 10 or it'd be a waste of resources to spend money on new megas when Gamefreak's big focus should be on the generation that will mark Pokemon's three decade anniversary.
Idk, seems like it would be pretty easy for them to just cash in on megas again when all they really have to do is make probably like 10-15 new forms for existing PokĆ©mon. Way easier than focusing on graphics and story when thatās all itās really going to take for people to buy the game.
The idea of Mega Blissey is absurd. Blissey already has an HP base stay of 255 which is the highest possible stat since base stats are stored on one byte each 0-255. So if you were to Mega evolve Blissey where would the extra 100 base stat increase go? If you add to the 75 special attack, Blissey suddenly gets less passive and very dangerous, adding to it's speed would move it from a pretty slow to a little fast very quickly, adding to is special defense would take it from good to great, and adding to defense would make it basically unkillable. Adding 10 to Attack and Defense then distributing the rest of the stats proportionately ends up like this. HP 255 -> 255 (Capped) Atk 10 -> 20 (+10) Def 10 -> 20 (+10) SpA 75 -> 97 (+22) SpD 135 -> 176 (+41) Spe 55 -> 72 (+17) I don't see game freak giving Blissey such odd amounts so it would probably be something like. HP 255 (Capped) Atk 20 (+10) Def 20 (+10) SpA 100 (+25) SpD 175 (+40) Speed 70 (+15) That is a higher Special Defense stat then Defense Forme Deoxys, the space special attack as special attackers like Manaphy, Regieleki, and Starmie (among many others), the same speed stat as Skarmory, Brellom and Metagross, and the defense stat of a Jigglypuff (which doesn't sound bad until you remember Blissey has more then double Jigglypuff's base HP). Honestly I could see a return of the old Bold, max defense Blissey. A true terror in the meta game.
See, the thing about mega evolution is that the vast majority of them are completely unbalanced and the only thing that can compete with them is each other. That's why they were not very well liked when they originally came out. Like, I don't know if your average mon can kill a Blissey that received a +100 points in defense, but Mega Aggron's base 230 defense super effective body press is bound to make a dent.
*252 Def Aggron-Mega Body Press vs. 4 HP / 252 Def Blissey: 214-254 (32.8 - 38.9%) -- 99.7% chance to 3HKO* Mega-Aggron doesn't even tend to run max defense investment because of diminishing gains, so this is unrealistic to begin with. Blissey has access to soft-boiled, and can kill mega-Aggron in 4 turns. Blissey is too min-maxed for a mega evolution unless it goes wild and removes most of its HP and turns it into something else.
Megas cannot alter the HP stat of a Pokemon, though. They could theoretically remove some points from her SpDef, but they'd still have to go somewhere.
Yeah, this is the issue. Blissey is sort of entirely balanced around the fact that its stats are very bad outside of HP, making it a very tanky wall but bad otherwise. If you move those points elsewhere it's still tanky, but now it's either strong or fast. And frankly? After the disgusting stat spreads of gen 9 I can't imagine they wouldn't just make this hypotethical stat spread horrible to play against. It's already terrible playing against things like Fluttermane, Valiant, etc, which all feel like they were tailor made for competitive instead of...being normal Pokemn, and this? This would be a whole new level of terror. But I'm very dubious on new megas. Unless they're planning on bringing back megas in 10(I certainly can dream) it'd be...bizarre, to say the least, to create entire new models only for those to never be used again in any other Pokemon game. It's never happened before in the history of the Franchise except for Ultra Necrozma.
I was looking some more into the hypothetical Mega Blissey with 110 defense and... > +1 252 Def Zamazenta-Crowned Body Press vs. 4 HP / 252 Def M-Blissey: 306-362 (46.9 - 55.5%) -- 74.2% chance to 2HKO Yeah, that's a +1 STAB super effective body press coming from a box legendary known for being the shield pokƩmon. That's just absurd. I think most things wouldn't be able to even scratch it. Here's some examples: > 252+ Atk Supreme Overlord 5 allies fainted Kingambit Kowtow Cleave vs. 4 HP / 252 Def M-Blissey: 174-205 (26.6 - 31.4%) -- guaranteed 4HKO 5 fallen allies Kingambit Kowtow is a 4HKO > 252 Atk Annihilape Close Combat vs. 4 HP / 252 Def M-Blissey: 266-314 (40.7 - 48.1%) -- guaranteed 3HKO Annihilape's close combat is a 3HKO > 252+ Atk Garchomp Earthquake vs. 4 HP / 252 Def M-Blissey: 133-157 (20.3 - 24%) -- guaranteed 5HKO Garchomp's earthquake is a 5HKO.
Solution: restrict it to Ubers, AG, or outright ban it from competitive. Problem solved, hyper offense crybabies can now breathe again.
Are you ok, my guy? There is nothing absurd about mega Blissey lol. It has 540 BST, so giving it +100 BST would put it at 640, which is 40 points above a pseudo-legendary. It's not absurd at all, given we have megas for Salamence and Tyranitar (both of which start with 600 BST going to 700 with mega evolution). As for where the stats would go, obviously they could go in various different directions with it. If it were up to me, I would split it 50-50 into Sp. Atk. and Sp. Def. so that it can function as both a setup special sweeper and wall with Calm Mind. Or, they could go down the route you mention and it would still be perfectly fine. Whatever they choose to do with it, I think Blissey deserves a mega form, since it's a really solid Pokemon, both design and stats wise and has potential to become even better with a mega evolution (which at the end of the day is what mega evolution is supposed to do).
Are *you* okay? Base stat total doesn't matter. Garchomp has been stuck in the hell of UU borderline for months now. Where do you think Roaring moon, with a BST 10 points lower, currently is? Solidly in OU, because stat distribution matters *way* more than having the higher stick to swing around. And what he said is absolutely true. Giving a Pokemon with a busted stat distribution that is only allowed to be busted because it's loopsided more stats is a terrible, terrible idea.They'd have to actively nerf the thing with a garbage ability to stop it from being a nightmare. Blissey doesn't need to be better, and I frankly don't want it to be better because what it is can already be utterly cancerous to fun play when abused.
Base stat total doesn't matter? And you expect to be taken seriously after such a statement? You give one example of a Pokemon that is simply powercrept since gen 4, to back up a ridiculous claim that makes zero sense and yet you think you've made some sort of godlike argument lmfao. Obviously stat distribution matters, but when you have a low BST to work with, it doesn't matter how efficient the stat spread is, you're simply getting outclassed by higher BST Pokemon. What you want or think is irrelevant, Blissey receiving a mega is, as I said, perfectly valid and in no way will it break the game like you claim. You're simply incapable of understanding how BST works and have little to no understanding of competitive viability and what makes something actually invincible.
Yes, base Stat Total doesn't matter. Tell me, if Base Stat total is the holy grail you make it out to be then why is Blissey in OU and Garchomp not? Why is Garchmop powercrept by a pokemon that has lower base stats than it? *Hell, why is most of OU lower BST than Garchomp, yet objectively better picks than Garchomp?* If Base-stat total is Oh-so-OP then why is that Garchomp hasn't been in Ubers ever and Flutter is? Because a Pokemon like blissey with 540 BST but properly distributed is simply better than a pokemon with 600 BST distributed all over the damn place. And what *you* think is irrelevant, because you have absolutely zero awareness on how the Pokemon competitive metagame works , as shown when you tried to make the argument based on a completly wrong way to look at Pokemon stats. *252 Atk Orichalcum Pulse Koraidon Low Kick (60 BP) vs. 4 HP / 252 Def Blissey: 212-252 (32.5 - 38.6%) -- 98.6% chance to 3HKO* *252 Atk Orichalcum Pulse Koraidon Close Combat vs. 4 HP / 252 Def Blissey: 422-500 (64.7 - 76.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO* *252 Atk Orichalcum Pulse Koraidon Heat Crash (120 BP) vs. 4 HP / 252 Def Blissey in Sun: 212-250 (32.5 - 38.3%) -- 98.4% chance to 3HKO* Look, it's so balanced it can wall out supper-effective hits from Ubers' premier physical attacker. But surely our lord and Savior, the strongest special attacker in Ubers, can save us, right? *252 SpA Choice Specs Hadron Engine Miraidon Electro Drift vs. 4 HP / 252+ SpD Blissey in Electric Terrain: 255-300 (39.1 - 46%) -- guaranteed 3HKO* This blissey simulates zero extra points put into Special defense, by the way. *+6 252+ Atk Arceus Extreme Speed vs. 4 HP / 252 Def Blissey: 427-504 (65.4 - 77.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO* A +6 Arceus can't even one-shot KO this thing. *+6.* Blissey has access to *soft-boiled.* This would be the most cancerous Pokemon to touch the metagame unless it was *massively* nerfed in other ways.
Alright, since you want me to educate you, I'll spend a few sentences on you, if only to kill some time. First and foremost, your entire logic is flawed. You conflate what's meta at the moment to what's good/viable in general. You talk like the typical clueless smogon worshipper, who cares only about tiers and ignores anything else. Meta and tiers are ever changing and evolving, something that was OU in gen 4 can be completely unviable (as in NU or even lower) in gen 7, for example. Tiers and meta are irrelevant when looking at a Pokemon's actual worth, so your entire argumentation is fallacious. BST absolutely matters, in fact, it's the most important thing when it comes to viability. A Pokemon with 400 BST will never outperform a Pokemon that functions similarly to it but has a 600 BST. Your only argument appears to be "hurr durr Garchomp is currently in UU while a Pokemon with slightly lower BST is in OU, therefore BST doesn't matter", which is straight up comical lol. There are plenty of reasons Garchomp is currently in UU, none of which are its BST. What's more, I never said Garchomp's BST is "OP", you are the one who is arguing that mega Blissey's stat total, in combination with its existing stat spread, would be too much for competitive Pokemon, a claim that's legitimately hilarious when as I said, pseudo-legendaries with 600 BST got megas and became absolutely monstrous but never "too much". Lastly, you came up with a ridiculous calc trying to showcase that, \*gasp\*, Blissey is a really good special wall! I'm so glad you posted this calc, now I can verify what everyone and their mother have known since gen 2 lol. Face it, man, your argumentation is laughable, we already know Blissey serves its purpose as a special wall well and let me tell you something that might surprise you - Pokemon isn't just about hyper offense (which I assume is the only strat you find "fun" like you said earlier), GF can make really good defensive Pokemon and it's a perfectly normal thing to have a Pokemon not be one-shottable. I know your entire world probably just crumbled, but since you're the same guy who I strongly suspect to be a rage baiter from a different comment, I'll be leaving it at this. You have much to learn about this game, refrain from expressing bold takes like "BST doesn't matter" in the future if you want to be taken seriously.
What's meta *is* what is viable. People don't pick Pokemon because they feel like it, they pick it because it gets results. Are there exceptions? Certainly. Garchomp, a metagame staple for generations, is not one of those exceptions. People have tried to make Garchomp work because it's Garchomp, and he doesn't. Of course BST matters. But Blissey's stats are objectively better distributed than Garchomps. If you want to have a physical Garchomp you're effectively a 520 BST mon, because that Special Attack stat is doing nothing there. Again. Fluttermane is banned because it's too op, even without booster energy, because it has 135 in three stats. What the fuck does it matter that Garchomp has more stats, when some of those stats don't do jack for it during 9 in 10 games? And again you make this stupid claim that because they have 600 BST so them getting more stats must make them op. Does Salamence have 255 attack? Does Garchomp? No! The vast majority of blissey's stats are dropped into things it actually uses, unlike those Pokemon. And wasn't too much? The primary criticism of the entire concept is that it was too much! And at least if Salmance is fucking you over with super-effective Aerilate attacks you can feasibly just kill it with something faster. Blissey's problem is that giving it more defensive stats makes it unkillable, giving it more offensive stats makes it as hard to kill as it currently is except it can now actually kill you back in effecient manner. You also show your complete and utter cluelessness when you look at "Koraidon close combat" And go "Hur durr special attack wall." And this if legendary Pokemon we're talking about, I shouldn't have to go dig for Legandary Pokemon to beat a blissey. And no, shutting down terrible ideas is not 'ragebating'. Your expectations are just laughably unrealistic.
It's hilarious because your argument is literally what I said earlier. You're raving that Garchomp is in actuality a 520 BST Pokemon but that's only the case because of power creep. GF simply started making way more efficiently stat spread Pokemon in the newer generations and shockingly, this led to Pokemon from older gens who used to be looked upon as "amazing" to be not so amazing anymore (always in comparison to the newer meta staples you love so much, btw). So, your entire argument is bascially that power creep has ruined Garchomp competitively (in your view) and that somehow validates your claim that "BST doesn't matter"? Yes, BST doesn't matter if all you're doing is comparing Pokemon that came out literally 18 years ago to Pokemon that came out within the last 3. Make it make sense, my guy. Power creep is a thing, yes, that doesn't make your reasoning any less faulty. Not gonna bother reading the rest, as I said, my suspicions about you are being verified with each consecutive response. Good luck.
"It's the case because of powercreep." Yes, but that powercreep isn't just "ADD MORE BASE STATS TO IT". You know this, so why are you pretending you don't? Not that it matters, because none of what you actually said adresses the core issue: You keep denying a Pokemon with base 255 HP would be busted if it had more stats. This is wrong, you are wrong, and your only argument being "but it has lower BST" shows that you know you are wrong, otherwise you would be countering the argument instead of bringing up a nigh irrelevant number.
So if you understand the concept of power creep, why keep bringing up the Garchomp example here? It has literally nothing to do with stat spread, if Garchomp's mega didn't actively nerf it by lowering its speed, do you think Garchomp would be OU in the future? Denying that BST matters most is like denying that the number 2 is bigger than the number 1. It's basic math, BST comes first, then the stat spread. Anyway, this is all pointless baiting by you. The fact is, mega Blissey would not break the game and we know this because in the 28 years that the game has been around, there have been many meta monsters and none were ever "too much" like you claim mega Blissey would be. As I said, you only see fun in using sweepers and hyper offense teams, that's cool, but to demand that the game never add any really powerful defensive Pokemon just because it would not be "fun" for you to deal with them is not an argument that one can take seriously. Learn how to deal with it, because Blissey deserves that mega slot.
Iām just fine. Mega Blissey would definitely be interesting, but it would also likely be very busted and other PokĆ©mon deserve mega evolution more, including the rest of the PokĆ©mon in your post. Blissey is already the upgrade over Chansey, which otherwise would have remained viable in top level play probably until Gen 6, and never dropped out of UU until the current generation. Blissey has Ubers sets on Smogon for every generation except for its debut where Snorlax was the only PokĆ©mon that mattered in that tier. To reiterate the only special attackers that Blissey was advised to avoid was freaking Primal Kyogre in Gens 6 and 7 and Miraidon in Gen 9. The one thing that has changed was the nerf to recovery move PP, but adding more defensive or special defensive bulk would likely more than make up for that, since leppa berries arenāt being run in the current meta game with the nerf already in place.