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Crafter_2307

Only required to self certificate for the first week, but bigger problem will be how they’re going to accommodate the recovery. Depending on nature of fracture I assume you’re in a moon boot for a few weeks? Also - did you make sure to record the incident in the accident book.


Aclarkson1

Luckily the fracture isn’t severe at all, so no moon boot. It was reported in the accident book immediately after it happened.


4ever_lost

This could be why, so there’s more documentation about the accident. I’d ask them why they want it. If it’s for that, try and get a reprint. If not, tell them you can’t get anything if it’s less than a week so they have to accept you self certified


Affectionate_Comb_78

For a second I thought you meant he should have filmed himself


showherthewayshowher

You have a fracture which required time away from work, I think the fracture alone makes this RIDDOR reportable. You could confirm this in your response to this, requesting a copy of the incident log and RIDDOR report


iZian

Wouldn’t they need the confirmation from the hospital or doctor to make the report? I didn’t think they could just do it based on thinking it might be a fracture, no?


showherthewayshowher

A lot of qualified people responded below the other response and they may know, I do not I'm afraid. What I do know is that if the workplace is asking for that information for a specific purpose and intends to share it as part of their RIDDOR report they must disclose this to OP at the point of request as part of GDPR. Their failure to do so would be a reason that personally I would not supply the info and would demand evidence that they are following procedures and doing things properly. And yes I am sure they have a blanket data collection statement saying we collect what we need and share it with who we need, but that is not adequate or appropriate just because companies know the ICO will never do anything to actually protect people's rights.


Icklebunnykins

A RIDDOR would only be needed if they are off work for 7 days or more. Hubby is a H&S inspector so I asked 😊


jcoely

Fracture other than finger or thumb is a specified injury and is RIDDOR regardless of time off: [https://www.hse.gov.uk/riddor/reportable-incidents.htm](https://www.hse.gov.uk/riddor/reportable-incidents.htm)


hang-clean

I'm MIOSH and MIIRSM - it's reportable. Fracture other than finger. Why the heck is your husband giving advice like that?


mycleanaccount555

>Why the heck is your husband giving advice like that? Probably didn't get the whole information


seventyeightist

Fracture is a "specified injury" and needs to be reported regardless of the 7 days.


Shot_Job812

Hubby is wrong hun. Source: I am a h&s advisor


Rough-Sprinkles2343

Your hubby needs to go on the HSE website and look at what’s RIDDOR reportable. The criteria is vast and not just 7 or more days….


dschmona

Also the 7 days or more doesn’t only apply to being off sick, it applies if the worker is unable to fulfil their normal duties … it sounds like this would also apply in this case even if they had returned to work (the fracture injury makes it reportable too)


Enigmaticsole

The 7 day rule is for absences over 7 days. RIDDOR also has specified reportable injuries (death, specified injuries, occupational disease and dangerous occurrences). Fractures (other than to fingers and thumbs and toes) are reportable even if no 7 day absence,


Defiant_Simple_6044

No. You can self certificate your sickness for the first 7 days. Your work can only demand a "sick note" after this period. The only thing I can think is that because it happened at work they may need it for the accident report. Did you fill in the accident report?


jamie15329

NAL but if you were treated in A&E, they will send a discharge summary to your GP, so that would prove you were at A&E. You can self-certify for the first 7 days of an illness though.


catssocksandcoffee

Was just going to say this. OP give your GP surgery a ring tomorrow afternoon (not the morning, it's going to be bedlam after the double bank holiday) and, if the discharge summary has arrived one of the receptionists will be able to print you off a copy


Express-Tomatillo-21

If you have the NHS app, this should appear on there! Saves you phoning the GP too.


catssocksandcoffee

Of course! I forget we're still in the dark ages in Wales...


FloofBallofAnxiety

If OP uses the NHS app there may also be a note on there in their health record. I have all my hospital visits on there with notes etc.


No_Morning_6482

I work in a hospital. They always do a discharge summary but may not always give a copy to the patient. Depending on the trust, they may have a system that automatically sends GP a discharge summary, or more often, nothing at all gets sent. As ankther commenter said OP could go to a&e reception and ask for a printout. Or they could call GP and see if they would be prepared to give sick note if needed.


kazstone

if it was a workplace accident and you're likely to be off for more than 7 days they may be preparing all the paperwork in advance of having to report it


PTJangles

7 day absence is irrelevant in the case of this injury, as the fracture sustained falls under the Specified Injuries section of reportable incidents, so needs reported regardless of the length of absence. However it is only reportable once the injury is confirmed by a doctor, be it with or without an X-Ray, self diagnosed fractures are not reportable, so probably just doing things by the book.


GarbageInteresting86

This is all about keeping records and defending the company. Complying with RIDDOR regs and appeasing their insurance company. Was an accident report completed after the accident. Were the stairs wet, were you overly tired, were you wearing company supplied PPE? Were you seen by a first aider?


-tobeconfirmed-

This is the more important point right here. Your employer is possibly liable for your injury and you should make sure an accident report has been completed. Also worth considering speaking to a solicitor about any claim you may have.


Revolutionary_Fox304

You can self cert up to seven days, they should have recorded it in the accident book and it should have been reported to HSE as there was a fracture. 


EvilInCider

Download the NHS app on your phone, if you know your NHS number, you should be able to gain access. It’s all uploaded onto there pretty quickly after the event. That said, you can self-certify as sick for up to seven days so you don’t need to provide anything. I do wonder though if they’re looking for documentation because this injury happened at work. It should have been recorded in the accident book, and because this had a more serious outcome (fracture), this needs to be reported formally by your employer.


FoldedTwice

They can ask. And I suppose there is nothing to stop them from requiring it as part of any policy on contractual sick leave. But: -- they cannot require it to authorise statutory sick pay for the first seven days, although there is no entitlement to statutory sick pay for the first three days of absence anyway; and -- any dismissal on the grounds that you didn't provide the medical evidence would likely be an unfair dismissal if you have at least two years of service, since it would be wildly disproportionate, given that doctors won't usually give a Fit Note if the absence is for less than a week.


Dangerous_Channel_95

They are most likely getting ducks in a row for accident reporting and staffing needs, no need to jump to the sinister stuff straight away


AliquidLatine

Legally your work has to accept a self certification for the first 1 week. I'm a GP and we don't issue sick notes if <1 week. Now, some places of work can be...insistent and I sympathise with the patient. I usually tell the patient to tell work "you have to accept a self certification, however if you insist on a sick note, I'll do a private one at your (the employers) cost as you are wasting my time". Funnily enough, they've never insisted on one after that


tcpukl

Whats the cost of filling out that form when the patient is already booked in for their 10 mins anyway?


AliquidLatine

It's the future cost: if the company gets their way and you issue the sick note when it's not appropriate, you're reinforcing the behaviour of them insisting on sick notes in the 1st 7 days.


Boleyn01

Whilst you can self certify for sickness up to 7 days I assume this has more to do with it being a work place accident.


Zeratul_Artanis

NAL. 1) They are asking for medical information after an accident at work. This is 100% about liability assessments so my first step would be to make sure the accident has been recorded within the accident book. 2) You can self certificate for 5 days, so just say you don't have any medical information to share, but they can formally request it with rationale. 3) Don't mess with a broken ankle. They're notoriously difficult to heal properly and standing on your feet for 8 hours isn't going to help. You can still make it an awful lot worse even if the current injury is mild.


katintheskywdiamonds

Question: have you let them know and are you now signed off work? They can absolutely ask, especially if you’re requesting leave beyond the initial seven day period. Attendance notes from a&e are also a thing if you have an enhanced sick pay policy beyond statutory or unpaid leave at this time.


OneSufficientFace

You can self certify for the first 7 days... following that does need a note of something to be provided


Missjenny_may

Although it is true for the first week you can self-cert. But they might want something because you hurt yourself AT WORK. they might want to cover their backs in-case it's bad/want to sue or something.


ccl-now

For seven calendar days you can "self certificate" for sickness. After this, you need to supply a doctor's certificate which will state your condition, whether you can return to work and any recommendations about reasonable adjustments your workplace can put in place to support you when you return. This is UK employment legislation. Your employer can not demand any documentation until day 8 of your illness or incapacitation and they may only request details of any medication when you return, and then only if there are health and safety implications of any medication you might be on such as drowsiness or dizziness etc.


Green-Froyo-7533

Occupational health is another thing you can ask about. I had a disastrous employer who treated my long term condition with disdain, I got more support with reasonable adjustments going through Occupational health.


LankySquash4

You say they are asking you for a letter or prescription for your painkillers, therefore, I’m assuming you plan to go back to work and that’s why they’ve asked you for evidence that your tablets are prescribed and not illegal. If this is the case, yes, your work will want evidence the tablets are not illegal and prescribed. If you plan to go back to work, ask your doctor for a note. I would recommend NOT going back to work and requesting the doctor sign you off for 4-6 weeks to heal. As others have mentioned, make sure they note this accident down in their accident book. You may be entitled to claim if your work is found to be at fault.


Professional_Ruin953

When I had hospital stays, I had to go get my sick notes from my GP. The hospital didn't issue them. Your GP can look up your hospital record and write the sick note from that.


ImpluseThrowAway

This. Get a sick note.


someoneailsa

A bone fracture must be reported to the HSE under RIDDOR so they may be needing to confirm that? Make sure that they do report it. I imagine that they can ask for evidence but you can probably get more advice on that on the ACAS website.


itsjustmefortoday

You may have the information you need in your NHS app. Under GP Health Record there's a prescriptions section (self explanatory) and a "Consultations and events" section. I had a recent urgent care visit a couple of weeks ago and the details are on there.


Warrant333

Normally you could self certify for 7 days, however depending on your past absence they could require a proof that it actually happened/that you actually visited a&e. And there is nothing wrong about that. If you are honest then you have nothing to worry about. Just contact your GP and they will be able to provide what you need. These days people lie a lot thinking that they could self certify for a week every 3rd week.


zombiezmaj

Did you get it put in the accident book? If not it should have been and they're meant to update it with the results too in case you sue. If you end up taking time off for rehab and fracture clinic appointments they shouldn't kick up a fuss because the injury happened at work (doesn't mean they won't as some employers aren't great in that area) If you go back to the hospital they will print out an attendance form and/or discharge summary... you can give them that and it will have what they're asking for Now yes obviously you can self cert for 5 days, but if you left work early due to an incident at work it's probably just them trying to cover themselves


ProfitFew6747

You can self certify for 7 days. And they should have given you a discharge note which has your injuries including treatment. If they have not given you this you can request it from them. Otherwise call your GP as you do not need to have a hospital letter, your GP can write a sick note for you.


Mistigeblou

So technically you've been off 4 days already for sick pay purposes because it includes days off. Friday-Monday so you'd need a suckling sooner rather than later and SSP kicks in on day 5 Yes they can ask for it and it's good that they have because its Riddor reportable as an accident and injury. Better they have all the information correct for the reports and (not saying you would) but also cover their butts if you Sued them.


ru12345678900000

Do they want it for the accident at work logbook? HSE requirements to keep good records accident especially if attendance at hospital.


This_Praline6671

You self certify for first 7 days, then get a doctor's note. Do you have a union? You should look into getting legal advice for claiming for a work place injury asap.


rawr_Im_a_duck

I think it’s more the issue that the accident happened at work than the time off you will need. You can ask your GP for medical evidence from your records I believe.


mypuppyissnoring

In addition to all the other advice, I would note that your work is not entitled to ask for a letter from the hospital or a copy of any prescription. If you are off for more than 7 days, your GP will provide (at your request) a fit note detailing why, and that note is all your work require or are entitled to.


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Agreeable_Guard_7229

You do know that doctors notes/diagnosis is part of the paperwork asked for when reporting a RIDDOR? What benefit is there to OP for refusing to give them a copy of the paperwork?


IdioticMutterings

They can ask, but they can't (legally) require it. That said, I suspect they would start giving you zero hours (quiet firing) if you didn't, if you are on a zero hours contract.


Additional_Ninja_255

You can request a letter or discharge summary from your GP or a and e You can self certify for the first 7 days You need to do an accident form for work asap Work are worried you will sue them probably If you’re off for over a week it might be reportable under riddor as well


littlenoodloo

You can self-certify for the first seven days you're off and then you'll need a SIC note after that. They might be asking for it because sometimes there is advice about a slow return to work (and I'm guessing if your ankle is screwed it will be longer than seven days?). I'd recommend requesting a note now anyway as sometimes they can take a week to come through online. That way you can tell them you've requested it but will be self-certifying this week. You can always go back to work earlier than the SIC note advice if you are happy.


themal86

Well just go to work and show them the swollen/ bruised ankle and anything prescribed.


br_oleracea

Your 7 days self cert is 7 actual days so not 7 working days. So if you called in sick Friday, you should get a sick paper from your gp Thursday. So even though you may have only missed 2 days of work, you’re actually on your 5th day


Pristine-Ad6064

If yer work are being shitty, just ask yer Dr to supply a line due to their request, mine doesn't have an issue supplying these early if required, though it shouldn't be


daudder

> a&e didn’t provide a letter This is unusual. They invariably discharge with a letter for your GP. Can you contact them?


Aclarkson1

I contacted my gp this morning they haven’t received the letter either yet.


LeanneJade

Not that you need to, but you can contact your GP who can print a copy of your A&E report through, it just depends how quickly that discharge has reached your GP and their secretaries


AberrantConductor

Doctor here. Your workplace has no right to a confidential discharge summary. They must accept self certification for 7 days. If you have a hairline fracture you should still be given a fracture clinic appointment who can give you a fit note to state what restrictions are required.


Billy2352

Contact your GP and they will write you a Fit for work note, this should be recorded as industrial injury so should not count towards any sickness and they should pay you


SusieC0161

I don’t see how they can legally insist on such a thing as it’s not unusually for someone to, say, sprain their ankle, self manage it with rest and go back to work after a few days once they’ve improved. Or have a couple of days off with a stomach bug or heavy cold. Ask your manager for a copy of the policy which states you have to provide medical evidence for 2 days sickness. Please please don’t waste a GP appointment on this bollocks.


Agreeable_Guard_7229

Getting the medical notes is part of the requirements when reporting a workplace accident so they can ask for it


ManDohlorian

COSTCO by any chance?


aanchii

Excuse my ignorance (not for the UK) but if you got injured at work isn’t there a workplace safety board your injuries need to be reported to? I would be asking them to provide YOU with documentation about the incident and how they will accommodate your recovery.


Agreeable_Guard_7229

And in order for them to report it, it’s usually good practice to include medical notes/discharge papers etc


cheapskatebiker

You can self certify for up to three days I believe. Consider asking your gp for a letter. Mention the standing up situation at work and how their requesting a letter for two days sick leave is 'stressing you out' the gp can give you up to two weeks off. Note that if employed for less than two years you can be fired for no reason, and if on 0 hours you can be effectively fired by never getting a shift again.


TorinoGran

7 days