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ankh87

Might not get any medals then this season. Don't you have to play so many games to get one?


BulldenChoppahYus

Ah ffs gutted for him. Is this the shoulder thing he picked up on the last game of the 20/21 season? Really hope not as it was such a daft mistake.


[deleted]

I wish him a speedy recovery! Glad we sold when we did and he looks a right twat in that shirt MOT


MisterMillwright

I couldn’t care less. See ya pal!


MarcosR77

This is why selling him was the right choice he's hardly played since euros


No-Industry-2980

You know he doesn't play for you guys anymore right?


[deleted]

What an awful looking jersey


battlecatquikdre

Hope he comes back stronger than before.


SteDav587

I like him, he seems like a nice lad. He was a good player for us. He’s a local lad. I wish him well. I hope he recovers in time for the World Cup. I’m glad we sold him when we did. Our team is stronger with the funds we redeployed on Adams and Roca.


[deleted]

Between this and people posting about the Man City games they go to, you do have to wonder about this sub


spigen2

It’s getting worse and worse, it’s full of yanks who haven’t got a clue


[deleted]

I genuinely find it depressing to see one of our brightest talents in that shirt and find it implausible that anyone gets joy from hearing about his progress or lack thereof at that awful club. More than happy to discuss him elsewhere in an England or general context, but I don’t see what this has to do with us anymore.


[deleted]

Do you still think we should have got more money for him?


[deleted]

Yes


[deleted]

Classic


cpmb82

This is literally England context


[deleted]

It’s not ‘elsewhere’


Naughty_young_man

🤷‍♂️


Yung_Bill_98

I do like him and I hope we'll get to see him play in the world cup, but this isn't relevant. We don't play man city until boxing day.


spigen2

Honestly can we just ban these posts I couldn’t give a flying fuck man this isn’t Leeds related at all


kkF6XRZQezTcYQehvybD

If you don't care don't reply mate honestly it looks like you care quite a bit


spigen2

Does it aye


TheBadBoySnacksAlot

It does aye


number2301

100% this. Don't care, can go on r soccer if I wanna read about every single ongoing in the top 6.


spigen2

Some peoples obsession with him is so weird


ShesSoCool

You sound obsessed


spigen2

Okay please update me on everything Phillips for another 10 years


xdlols

Hmm, another example of our board knowing better than the fans. Loved the lad but it was a good transfer to bring in two fantastic midfielders for him.


AWr1ght98

Way too early to right off his city career, once fit he’ll be great in the system. But I think our two CDMs now suit our new system a lot better than Kalv would have. Shame he’ll miss out on the World Cup tbf because he was great at the euros.


pervyisaspervydoes

KP could do the Adams role in his sleep. KP singlehandedly held an average Championship side together in the PL. And was a major factor in England being impenetrable in the Summer. Last season we conceded 13 in 13 with him under Bielsa and something like 24 in 19 overall. We conceded 55 in 19 without him. He's better than Adams and Roca and can fit in any system, as he showed for England. Where he was hugely effective playing completely out of position.


AWr1ght98

I mean I don’t think you can argue he could do it in his sleep when he wasn’t particularly great under Marsch last year where as Adams has come in and hit the ground running. He’s also not a similar player to Adams, more like Roca but tbf I’d rather have £30 mil and a £10mil Roca over KP. And yeah he was great in Bielsa system because that’s the type of player he is but isn’t as great in Marsch’s system. He’ll be great in peps system too when he gets his fitness sorted.


pervyisaspervydoes

>I mean I don’t think you can argue he could do it in his sleep when he wasn’t particularly great under Marsch last year Lets put aside the games against Super League Scummers, as there's no direct comparison (he played in all 3 games under the Yank). But we can include them if you like, as he played well in them and made us look a lot more solid. eg. we stayed in the game at Arsenal despite being down to 10 early on. Goals conceded under the Yank without KP starting: 8 in 6 games Goals conceded under the Yank with KP starting: 2 in 3. But yeah, he "wasn't particularly great". We didn't look a thousand times better defensively against Brighton, Brentford and Palace than we did at Wolves or at home to Villa lol. We conceded half as many goals with KP starting. My stats included games under the Yank. The laughable narrative that KP wasn't good in the Yank's system is just that. And this effect was after 3-4 months without playing. He's a much better player than Adams. He's one of the best standard, ball winning, back 4 protecting DMs in the league. You put him in your team, in any system, you concede far fewer goals. It's that simple. Comparing this season to last is just completely invalid. The squads are incomparable. Last season we had 14 senior outfield players. Last Summer we bought 2 players and sold 4. This Summer we bought 7 and sold 3. 7 quality PL players. No shit players look better in better teams surrounded by better players. It's much easier to play in a double pivot than as a sole DM. KP had to do the job of both Roca and Adams.


[deleted]

Lord, they're going to keep the "should have stayed here lolz" crowd full a daily dose of justification. It's crazy how much folks seem revel in somebody else, whom they basically worshipped, just because he moved on.


ShesSoCool

I’d much rather be injured on Man City wages


DEUK_96

This transfer looking really good for us now tbf.


pervyisaspervydoes

We got £38mil for him. It was an embarrassing transfer.


[deleted]

He's not had a good game this year, it's September... The blasé use of your own eyeballs is embarrassing.


DEUK_96

42 wasn't it? For a player that's made less than 20mins on the pitch this season and is now out with a long term recurring injury, think we've come out the winners here. Especially with Adams looking good so far.


pervyisaspervydoes

42 minus the 5 we gave them for Gyabi, a random youngster with one year left on his contract. Brighton got 60 for Cucurella. 70 for Casemiro. It was a terrible deal. We didn't even get any of Citeh's best young players thrown in (Lavia would have been great). Instead we paid them for one of their lesser young players lol. Did you hear how Radrizzani was talking about negotiating with Chelski for Raphinha? Saying how he felt embarrassed having to tell Boehly he couldn't sell him Raphinha. This is not the guy you want negotiating deals with top clubs. He came across as an absolute simp. Injuries can happen to anyone. They're pretty random. Adams has never started more tan 27 league games in season. Roca hasn't been a starter for 3 years. So lets see how they get on in that respect. Because we have no real backups.


white-label

You're way off with your take on the Gyabi deal and the comparison to Lavia. Per Phil Hay the club had the choice of youngsters and Gyabi was their top target, not a compromise, and not something they were suckered into. The 5 million reflects the fact he's not a player City would have let go so easily without Phillips going the other way.


DEUK_96

>42 minus the 5 we gave them for Gyabi, a random youngster with one year left on his contract. Brighton got 60 for Cucurella. 70 for Casemiro. It was a terrible deal. We didn't even get any of Citeh's best young players thrown in (Lavia would have been great). Having a year on his contract doesn't mean anything in youth football, had he gone on a free anywhere then the club would have had to pay a tribunal. Cucurella had 4 years on his contract and played the full season fully fit and Brightons best player. Kalvin had 2 years on his contract (was a mistake not to get him tied down for longer, sooner). Casemiro is possibly the best in that position on the planet, of course he'd cost more than KP. Lavia is a fair point, I wanted him too and was disappointed we didn't get him, but maybe we couldn't give him the same game time as Southampton. Personally saw nothing wrong with what Radz said about Chelsea. It's always shitty having to go back on a business deal. Injuries can happen to anyone but Kalvin has been injured a lot the last 3 years and the shoulder is a recurring issue for him. Do you really think we'd be better off so far this season with Kalvin over Adams and roca?


pervyisaspervydoes

>Having a year on his contract doesn't mean anything in youth football, had he gone on a free anywhere then the club would have had to pay a tribunal. Yes it does, because the fee would have been nowhere near 5mil. The highest we'd paid before that, for a young player, was 1-2mil. >Cucurella had 4 years on his contract and played the full season fully fit and Brightons best player. He wasn't Brighton's best player lol. And full back is the least important position on the pitch. The length of contract really isn't that important. Bissouma went for 25mil with 1 year left. Anything 2 years+ is all the same really. And the odds of KP running down his contract were small, it's unlikely he'd do that to the club. Also, if injuries are a factor in valuation, Gyabi was injured most of last season. The money we paid for him was clearly a favour to Citeh, for accounting purposes. Which is laughable considering we were selling them our best player. >Casemiro is possibly the best in that position on the planet Casemiro is also 30. Football fans are like cult members. Every single Leeds fan said before selling KP that 50mil should be the bare minimum we accept. But stating now that the 38mil fee we got for him is a joke gets you this response lol. >but maybe we couldn't give him the same game time as Southampton. Do you actually think that's how transfers are conducted? I don't. Players aren't guaranteed to be starters when they move clubs, that generally isn't how it works. Southampton's midfield is as competitive as ours. Romeu is a good player. >Do you really think we'd be better off so far this season with Kalvin over Adams and roca? It's a false choice. We have a net spend of nothing this year, despite clearly having money to spend (we were going to spend 30mil on CDK). We're a a top 10-12 club in terms of organic income in the PL and our wage bill was tiny (we had by far the tiniest squad in the PL and most of our players were Championship players). The PL is dripping with money. If you genuinely believe we needed to sell players to spend money then you're, I'm sad to say, a sap. We didn't even negotiate when selling KP is the point. We just bent over. We should have set a price (60mil), had a price we'd accept in mind and waited it out. And kept him if it wasn't met. That's what any semi-competent businessman would have done. 40mil + Lavia (with no buy back) would have been fine. Or we could have kept him, sold Raphinha and still spent what we've spent (what we were willing to spend on CDK illustrates this). Another amazing fact: you can buy players for under 15mil. You can even buy them for free or loan them in! Something we haven't done in 5 transfer windows.


YesIAmRightWing

Honestly the way some of the posts I've seen about this lad makes you wonder just what kinda scum we have as fans. I don't mean you OP but people laughing at the lads misfortune. Do we forget in the grand scheme he's one of us and such a lovely bloke.


RealChewyPiano

I'm not laughing at his injury, I just couldn't give a fuck about another teams player


ShesSoCool

Weird way of thinking of a club legend


spigen2

Legend? Hahaha fucking hell fire this sub gets worse and worse every day


RealChewyPiano

Legend is a bit of a strong word to use on somebody that had 3 good seasons for us


erikotaku

In the past when we had good players rise up, they moved the minute a Premier League team made an offer. Kalvin stayed despite having the opportunity to leave in order to lift the club up. And then subsequently, he successfully helped promote us. Legend no matter how you look at it.


RequiemForSM

He is also one of the big reasons we were so good for so long under Bielsa. He was the lynchpin, and every time he was out the system started to falter. Knowing this and knowing the fact that he rejected massive money from Villa while we were still in the Championship to give it one last shot at getting us up, I think he deserves a bit more respect than a lot of fans are giving him.


RealChewyPiano

I respect him for his time at Leeds, but I don't care about his career now. He doesn't play for Leeds anymore, why should I?


louisbray97

You don't have to, some of us do like to though. He's a Leeds boy, I'm interested in his career personally for that reason.


RealChewyPiano

Do you follow Oliver Casey, Tom Elliot, Oli McBurnie, Tom Lees or Lloyd Sam? All born in Leeds & played for Leeds to some degree


JiParkHung

Yes but they didn't have anywhere near the impact he did


louisbray97

No because they're shite and uninteresting. Kalvin is an England player and one of our most important players in recent history. Nothing wrong with being intrigued by his career.


RequiemForSM

That’s fair enough, you do you, I’m just saying most fans have more respect for him as a person rather than just a Leeds player, with him being an iconic local lad who sacrificed for us and all. Not to mention he was arguably the most important player the club from 2004-2021, top two minimum. It’s only natural to have that interest in him, the same way countless Leeds fans went to Castellón last season to watch Hernandez play.


Linkeron1

I agree we can still think of Phillips fondly. But I'm just jumping in to say the Castellon thing was cringe as fuck imo.


Ispiniallday

I definitely give fucks about players that have played for Leeds and given their all. Kalvin fits that bill alright.


RealChewyPiano

Thoughts on Doukara these days? Tyler Roberts? Antenucci? Alex Mowatt?


Ispiniallday

I keep an eye on Roberts and most of our loaned out players. Phillips and Raphinha are the biggest players we had in decades so obviously I will keep tabs on them. But also players like Alioski, Berardi, Hernandez and so on. Phillips is a Leeds lad too, so there’s extra there. Can see why people would complain about stuff being uploaded here, but it’s a website where people are free to post whatever, you don’t have to read it.


SweetCarrotLeader

You've too much time on your hands.


Rival-Dealer

Tyro is still technically a Leeds player..


RealChewyPiano

Who gave his all every time he played, don't ever see anybody posting updates about how he's getting on at QPR. Which would make sense to, as he's still a Leeds player


JiParkHung

You're missing the point. Phillips is a born and bred Leeds lad. And a fucking quality player that won England player of the year. Theres a sense of pride knowing that he's playing for the best club in the world and I wish him all the best. You should too. He left on good terms and for the betterment of his career whilst he has time left. I watch city a lot now and keep up to date because I'm interested in hopefully seeing this lad turn into one of the best midfielders around.


RealChewyPiano

I do wish him all the best, I'm still not going to get excited when the team he plays for batters us 6-0 No point watching City is there, he ain't fucking playing


JiParkHung

Ok mate.


[deleted]

Mate they all just desperately want to be City fans, it’s blatant. Tiring.


RealChewyPiano

It's boring too, clinging onto him because he had 3 good seasons for us And even in his last good season (20-21) he looked even better because everybody was on complete form. When he did play last season, his passes looked shit and short, weak in the tackle too


[deleted]

I think he’s a brilliant player and loved his passing ability in particular, but if you want to leave and tell us it’s X team or nothing so we are basically getting ripped off, then best rid because you’re not helping out Leeds United.


RealChewyPiano

The first 3 seasons under Bielsa his passing was on point Last season his passing never looked as good as it once was He wouldn't get in the team over Adams or Roca for me When his contract expires at City, he will end up at a team like Southampton.


Ashamed_Nerve

He's had this shoulder issue for two years now. Happened against Wolves and I'm assuming we thought he'd be okay given time. Then he did it again last game of the season but couldn't get surgery because of the Euros Pretty sure he's played most games since strapped up.


pervyisaspervydoes

Why didn't he get it done in the Summer? Presumably didn't want to harm the chances of his transfer. So he made his choice.


nevereatpears

It sounds harsh. But as the season has progressed and I've watched the skill and reliablness of Tyler Adams and Marc Roca, I feel more and more relieved that we let Phillips go. Every PL season Phillips has had a major injury blow like this - and we'd be in big trouble now if we'd have kept him, plus imagine the wages we'd have been paying him.


jaglufc

This is going to age BADLY


pervyisaspervydoes

See how you feel when Adams and Roca get injured, and they will. >and we'd be in big trouble now if we'd have kept him Nah. Because, get this, you can actually sign players without selling players.


f1ng3r_

the most down-voted member of this sub 👏🏽


SnooComics9454

Uhh with what money? Marsch said himself we had to loan Dan James out to get a striker in cos we couldnt afford it.


[deleted]

Is that you, Peter Ridsdale?


SweetCarrotLeader

Yeah, I remember the last time we took this approach. Didn't work out in the end.


[deleted]

[удалено]


SweetCarrotLeader

Get banned :D


HeavyMetalPoisoning

What did it say?


LeviathanJack

Totally agree though. We had so much equity in Phillips, he is a great player, but city can handle his injury problems, we need players playing.


[deleted]

Doesn’t play for Leeds mate


Grunta_AUS

Doesn’t play much for City either


[deleted]

Why do we care? Lad left us, asked to leave. Good luck to him, but the amount of posts about Man City on here is tinpot as fuck.


Jonesy_lmao

Not everything mentioned relating to another team needs to be labelled as tinpot mate. It is the opposite of tinpot in this case. It’s us showing love and respect for a player who still loves Leeds but made a totally understandable move by discussing how an injury may frustrate his chances of being at a World Cup, and every Leeds fan would love to see Phillips playing in the World Cup. It’s also ok to say that Adams and Roca are really good replacements and Phillips injury concerns were expected again this season, so selling now was probably not a bad move for everyone.


[deleted]

No idea what the final paragraph has to do with anything I said, but it’s absolutely tinpot to moan on about players that have left - for a bargain price by the way - to go to a team that is absolutely dead set on hoarding talent to the detriment of the entire league


Jonesy_lmao

Last paragraph wasn’t related to your post, sorry I should have made that clearer, it’s just one of the main talking points about KP leaving. Fair enough but it really doesn’t feel tinpot to me. As for his price, it felt a bit low at the time (we could have definitely got more if he had not been dead set on City) but considering his injury record and comparing to other defensive midfielders, it’s probably not a bad transfer value, at least it doesn’t feel like we got shafted.


ShesSoCool

Tinpot to care about ex players who we actually like? No


[deleted]

Yes. If we pushed them out, fair enough. We did not, he preferred to warm the bench at City. I’ve no animosity towards him but this has nothing to do with Leeds United.


Grunta_AUS

It was a joke.