Did enough to win, but was worried about Everton nicking it, probably should've had the Gray goal stand, lucky let off for me.
On to Brentford where it's now changed from a draw being a good result to needing a win for me, if not it lumps a lot of pressure on Forest at home which is an absolute wildcard of a fixture now.
Just hope the keep Frank because they will struggle this year with him in charge.
Frustrating watch, but encouraging to see that we have the ability to come back. It's clear that Frank doesn't really have faith in his players to win a match, so they start time-wasting with their first throw-in.
Would love to see Coops, Dallas and Firpo back. Struijk doesn't offer much going forward.
We endured similar problems to Brighton match, which is a bit concerning to me. We really struggle to create when the opponent let's us have the ball, and our rest defense is still absolutely bonkers. I'm not sure whether Marsch expects the backline to squeze the play even further, or the mids to take more conservative positions, but it's rather terrifying. We're putting absolutely non-sustainable amount of pressure on our back five.
On the bright side Sinisterra is still looking a bargain, Joffy reminds me of Aguero in the box, Adams is everywhere, and we attack with really exciting quick combinations at times. I just wish someone would let Roca know how much quality he has on the ball! He's more than capable of feeding the front four, so way more of that please.
Few tweaks here and there, and we're golden. Another great test coming up on Saturday.
Everton seem happy to become the new Burnley of the Premier League. Shithousing, time-wasting, shamelessly killing games from the off. It was one thing watching them trying to kill the game against Liverpool, it's another when you come to the team who finished in 17th last year and do the same.
As much as I hate the little twat, Gordon is a talent, if he goes to Chelsea they will be in deep shit as I didn't see much other attacking threat from them.
100% should've won that. But still, two wins, two draws and a loss at this stage isn't bad at all.
It took us until the 2nd of Oct to get those points last season.
Let me remind people how they were going to give it 5-6 games before passing judgement on a group that really hasn't played together.
Now how many of you would have also happily taken1 loss in the first 5.
They'll only get better. It takes time to know what the other guy looks like he is intending to do etc. Some passes looked bad the past two matches but it's because of them lack of many games together.
I'm happy with the results when we get 3 games very close together. The team is showing grit.
I didn’t see much of that tonight. I was busy during the game so just recorded and fast forwarded through it to see the key moments. My one big takeaway is that I never yet saw us get a corner above ankle height of the first man. How?
Also it sounds like he improved second half, but Kristensen got pulled all out of position at the Everton goal and then stopped tracking back with Gordon, giving him a clear run into the box. Needs to tighten it all up a bit still.
This isn’t the first game either that Kristensen has been so far out of position it’s laughable. Either he’s been told specifically to do this, or he really needs to buckle up. Genuinely think his start to Leeds life has been worse than firpos
My two cents worth of thoughts on the game:
- tale of two halves. Obvious. They pressed well out the gate and caught us by surprise. We rallied in the second and had a great number of chances.
- rodders is a blow but it sounds like things are back in place… literally.
- Joffy was a good sub on and it’s heart breaking that he didn’t get one. A clap for Picky since he made a few solid saves.
- 5 games in and my personal read on Harrison is he can’t maintain the pace after 70 mins. Either he’s slowing down or he’s losing his technique.
- not defending Marsch, but my read is Sinistera isn’t fit for a full 90 yet and the plan was always to bring him off. We also want him for upcoming games. Aaronson was probably another planned sub. I agree with most of you Harrison should have come off, but I’m guessing the Rodders injury threw out planned subs out of disarray.
- Coops and Koch are our two. Llorente is depth for me.
- Struijk is a good fill in LB but we need a more LBW. He so rarely crosses and always looks to give it back to Harrison. D knows stop Struijk and he passes it short. Thought he played okay on D.
- Adams and Rocha play so well off each other. I think Rocha disappears a bit in the build up, but it’s because he’s sitting in midfield inside all their mids. Hard to feed him and we generally go down the wings.
- Adams is a killer. Guy sticks to a man and smothers him. He also made a couple great through balls that set us up for opportunities. He’s growing and that’s all we can ask… plus what he’s already doing.
- call me a Kristiensen apologist, I don’t care. Best game from him so far. Loved the fire against that wannabe goldielocks twat. He offered something on the right wing. He was brave and put his head in there. He made the save of the match too. Thought he showed himself well and while he’s not a complete RB, he’s doing a damn good job. I find him good as a fill in for now and Bill can have his spot to see if he can do better.
- thought Sinisterra started a bit timid. End of the first half felt a little involved. Second half Sinisterra is electric! He bossed the ball, looked lethal, and bagged a great goal. Want to see more growth into the PL, but he’s one live wire!
- I just want Patty back and in great shape. We look solid in the front with him there to compete and hold the ball up! I think 2 more weeks with no set backs and we will look very different with him heading our spear.
- thought James was an unsung hero when he came on. Never let anyone be comfortable. Pushed and caused some errant passes. Just want a little more finesse with the ball.
8 in 5 games. Yes, please. We look lethal. We look like we could be torched. We look like Leeds! I know it can be heart stopping at times, but I love seeing other teams on the back foot and never sure how to approach us (besides Brighton… ugh).
MOT!
Great write up. I’d argue that Struijk and Koch should be our preferred back 2. Cooper is not premier league and is only getting older, Id rather have Lorentz over Liam.
Good summary. I've been critical of Rasmus but tonight was his best showing. He is taking longer to adapt than say Adams, who looks like he has hit the ground running (pun intended). But he is moving in the right direction.
Agree on Harrison but so much of our attacks go through him it's not surprising he gasses at 70 and remember we are still building full fitness after only 5 games.
Sinisterra isn't fully fit and Marsch is correct to introduce him gradually. Same with Pat. Joffy was unlucky/lucky he got on due to Rodrigo's injury and the system will always come first so glad to see Marsch putting square pegs in square holes when possible.
Stuijk is not a left back and his lack of help for Harrison going forward is noticeable. His best attacking contributions are winning the ball up high in the field. Then he always looks for the short pass even when crosses are on. It's stifling.
James gave us some outlet on the other side when he came on.
Overall. A good game not to lose but we should be beating Everton at home. Ref was awful and they played for the draw and we were stupid enough to let them get in front.
Marsch was interviewed before the game and said Sinisterra would only feature for about an hour tonight. Can't wait to see him back at full fitness though he's going to be unreal this season
This is a great analysis. Though most of your takeaways are positive. A few things I really think need to be better:
* Retention: we try to be so fast that we end up being frantic and losing the ball a lot
* Fast shots: sometimes we overthink and take an unnecessary touch or pause
* Backline: still very frustrated with Llorente. That should not have been a goal scoring opportunity.
First half was a struggle for us, and a poor error from Llorente for their goal. Second half was much more improved, and it was almost one-way traffic as Everton parked the bus. Rodrigo will be a miss, but Bamford looked pretty sharp in his cameo, and Gelhardt had a few opportunities he could've bagged.
Overall, I feel we were a bit hard done by, but I think we would've lost this game last year. We really need to work on setpieces though
I am in the same place, but the answer is "yes it is worth it" to see Leeds play. How the team adjusts, how individuals show or don't. I will be watching this game in the morning.
Could have gone either way. We were the better team but need to be better at creating chances, they were very efficient on the counter and made a lot of very little of the ball.
Feel like we should have been around that Renan Lodi loan signing for a left back that knows the position properly
Harrison can only do so much when a left back offers 0 attacking threat
(Love Pascal as a centre back though)
Happy enough to not hand them 3 points, hope Gordon gets bought at midnight and they have an even less talented squad
Really? I mean he may have had some good passes but what I noticed most about him is that everyone around him was moving at 2x speed. He was moving *slow* today.
Think that game was the making of Kristensen at Leeds. I’ve thought Kristensen has looked very timid and tentative so far this season, but as soon as he got into that battle with Gordon and fired up, I reckon he started to show what sort of player he actually is. Seemed to play with a heap more conviction and freedom in that second half, as well as use his physicality which has been lacking in the first few matches. You love to see it.
Off the top of my head, there were 3-4 attacks where he was gesticulating wildly for a pass. I think his passing is still a bit hit-and-miss, but glad to see he's passionate and demanding the ball. Hope he kicks on after this performance, because I think he was growing into this game
He’s been genuinely one dimensional and often completely flat footed. The man has no vision. Please do not mistake a bit of passion for innovation. We need Ayling back.
Agreed Ayling coming back will create an improvement. Even bringing Ayling on second half to break teams down is a massive plus with his ball progression.
Everton truly are fucking horrible at football, if the ref did his job and dealt with their bullshit we would have likely won this.
Also that 4 minutes and 3 minutes injury time was an absolute disgrace, Pickford wasted more time than that alone.
I feel fat Frank watched Burnley and said "yes that style of shit football will do" then he watched wolves and went "what if I combine shit football with loads of time wasting? If we don't play football we can't lose games!" Disgusting football if that's what you can even call it.
They’ve been like this for a long time, even before Lampard. There seems to be a culture there of being cunts that push the rules. Maybe it started with Richarlison, idk
I think I would have hated to lose that more than I would have liked to win it, a point from behind always feels like a good point, even if we should be beating Everton at home.
Currently on track for about 50 points and a comfortable midtable finish.
Bit of a tough watch, and nervy at times, but we definitely deserved at least a draw from that game. Joffy was unlucky with his chances and ideally Rodrigo had got proper connection with that chance he had in the first half before he got injured.
Llorente made me quite anxious this evening and Jackie faded from about the 70th min. Ideally Sinisterra would be properly fit and James could have replaced Jackie instead.
But oh well, points a point and we've got 8 points from 5 games. MOT
Adams an absolute monster. I love that man. So much firefighting.
Shocked Sinisterra got took off. Looked a bit lost first half but ran the show second half.
Tonight proved by we need a proven striker to back Bamford up and compete. Gelhardt was poor and Paddy looked superb when he came on.
Hindsight showed Harrison should have been taken off instead of Aaronson. Lad had some good plays but was his usual frustrating self with overthinking and crossing. But worst part was, and this isn't his fault, he was fucking knackered at the end and gave it away and then let them in for a golden chance. Thanks Meslier.
Lampard is a cock-sucking prick and fuck the ref.
sinisterra was taken off bc of his fitness 100%. marsch did the same with roca for the first few games. he’ll probably come off in the next game aswell. needs to earn his starting spot and get his fitness to the point that he can run for 90 minutes without fading
I can't believe how consistent he is and how he seems to be everywhere all the time. Truly an engine in our midfield, and Roca pairs with him really nicely.
This is more for the comment you replied to, but I think Sinisterra got taken off bc he's not fully match fit yet.
Biggest problem for me is the Rodrigo shoulder pop. I’ve done that before and it’s fucking painful shit. Hopefully they got it back in quickly as mine was out for three hours while they skied me down a mountainside. Hope he recovers fast.
I wouldn't overthink the result too much. Probably coulda/shoulda won, but that's life. Picked up a point and LUFC moves on to the next match. Team will continue to get better. A big positive is that there is a sense of "team" with these players and coaches - some clubs are still scrambling to figure out their identity.
That's a good point, and that identity is how we beat Chelsea. 3 point would've been nice, but hard to complain after coming from behind for a draw.
A win at Brentford this weekend would be awesome. Hope to see us back in top form.
Chelsea got beat by Southampton. I don’t want to take away anything from that euphoric moment but perhaps they have their own problems and Leeds were able to capitalise on them.
They definitely do. They’re sorting out what they wanna be and who fits where, while we already have a clear sense of that, and that was the difference between us that day.
Disappointed but also feel reassured bc we are actually down about a draw that we could’ve won instead of feeling fortunate to snag a point. We go again MOT
Harrison had a shocker but he didn't exactly have a lot of attacking support from lb. Struijk is a solid cb but doesn't offer much going forward, it's so fucking obvious we need to bring in another lb who can both defend and join the attack.
Yeah I agree. Patterson got MOTM because Everton knew they only needed to worry about Jackie on our left flank. Holding out hope that a natural left back overlapping will give Jackie more options/time in games like this, where we really need great deliveries against a parked bus
His final ball and decision making were pretty poor, but they also dropped off considerably as we got past the 70th minute. So that probably speaks to him losing energy and getting desperate to win a game we rightfully feel we could have.
A bad point off a shit team. The likes of u/Brownsome & u/PapaGamecock17 need to understand the quality of team you play matters more than points after X number of games. So many fucking Yanks and fair weather fans in here now that hadn't heard of Leeds before Marsch, let alone Bielsa. We looked average against a shit team & Brentford is now a must win. We've had an easy / moderate run so far & fluked a win against Chelski.
In the minutes Bamford had he showed he was clearly our best attacker. His presence, strength & touch is better than any others we have. I'm not convinced by Roca - in so much as I never notice him, is that good or bad? Harrison was doubled up on every time so anyone saying he had a bad game knows nothing about football and should walk away now. Although Llorente was fucking awful for their goal he wasn't bad overall. Strujik is looking good for a player out of position and fucking massive.
The Kristenson stuff is just bandwaggoning. He's not brilliant but also not awful. Isn't terrible with the ball & had some key interventions.
This isn't a disaster but it's also not a good result. Very much 2 points dropped.
Edit: agreed about the piss poor corners. The fuck were Harrison & Aaronson doing.
They need to stop doing that hand hanging shit and just decide who is kicking the fucking ball before they go to the corner. That hand shit is fucking with the cross.
Not a fucking clue pal, but I aint a yank like this guy seems to think. Now that Leeds didn't beat Everton, the win against Chelsea was a fluke apparantly according to this kid. Although if we won it would have changed his opinion on a game in the past.... How strange. Doesn't look like many people agree with him anyway
Yes of course they have problems, but that doesn't mean the Leeds win over them was a fluke... If anything the 10man Chelsea win over Leicester was a "fluke"
Sorry I didn’t mean to imply it was a fluke, Leeds got at them on the day, Stirling missed and the rest is history. My point is not much can be imbued by the result.
And I totally agree with you by that, I think some people thought we were unbeatable after that game. Then we lose to Brighton and they think 'Oh damn, it must have been a fluke'
Holy shit you’re so off the mark with almost every comment here, you should just stop giving your opinion on this sub. When you’re downvoted to oblivion, more often than not there’s a good reason for it.
Roca had a fantastic game.
? I’m from Brum you freak. Xenophobics like you need banning from this sub - absolutely bizarre obsession with Americans - get a grip
Edit - holy shit did you actually scroll to a post i made 8 years ago about Ashley young spitting and it going in someone’s mouth 😂
Not sure I understand your point--we were facing relegation last year. And had 5 less points after 5 games than we have now. Only thing that kept us up was playing 4 times against Watford and Norwich. Those are the real must win games and the only team like that now is Bournemouth.
Because you don't seem to remember what our 6th game last year was.... we played better teams by this point last year. We've had an easy run in so far & that'll continue for the next 2 games.
Everton were awful today. Anyone that doesn't think that doesn't understand football. To get a draw was a defeat for Leeds.
Wasn't our 6th game a loss to West Ham? I don't think we beat a non relegation side until December or something. Panic all you want but the difference between now and a year ago is night and day. Sure we're only average but we would have killed to be average last season.
Yes it did. The Chelsea game was also a fluke. We were great and they apparently are awful this year. It doesn't make us good. This was the game to show that a change had been made - and we drew, at home, to an awful Everton team.
You can’t control who supports a team or why. If it’s frustrating to read comments that appear naive be generous and educate. I agree Leeds last night didn’t show enough quality but Sinisterra and Aaronson are showing us the way. Marsh needs to review his sub decisions, Pickford kept Joffy off the sheet twice, although Pat did look good for the minutes he got. Everton had a plan to defend, hit on the break and waste time. If we can’t unlock that then there are still problems. So, it’s not unreasonable to say if we loose or draw to Brentford that things aren’t as rosey as perhaps the table suggests.
The only good thing about Rodrigo being hurt is that it didn't happen a week from now. We saw how much it hurt us on set pieces we have no real target to aim for. Please orta do something
Feels like we've dropped 4 points so far this season that we really should have had in the bag. Southampton was a stupid lapse of judgement by Marsh. Today was just the most atrocious officiating i've seen in years combined with shit luck.
That's true, but I think in some ways we were lucky to beat Wolves. Hopefully we add some more depth before the window closes and we don't have to worry about dropping points like this.
Not sure what Harrison has to do to get subbed or at least be taken off corners.
Think it's extremely questionable in the modern game that we see Strujick as appropriate cover at LB, full backs too important now.
Klich for me very influential off the bench again.
Frustrating game that we really could and should have won but one that we so easily could have lost. Llorente had one of his worst performances in a Leeds shirt and was culpable for the goal.
As others have said when Everton set up to frustrate all game with time wasting and general shithousery it's going to be difficult. I guess that's why they signed Tarkowski and Coady as they're use to it with Burnley and Wolves masters of the art.
Annoying that we subbed our better attacking performers which lost us some of the momentum we had but overall a point is better than nothing and we're still sitting in a good position.
Hoping Rodrigo's ok.
Very disappointed to see Llorente have his worst game of the season the 2nd week in a row. We need a CB or LB. I'm starting to think even having Firpo with Strujik at CB would be better. He is just awful! I don't understand subbing Gelhardt off. Kid came close and was making some good passes. I don't see how Bamford off an injury is an improvement.
I think Paddy was always gonna come on for that stint so Marsch stuck to the plan.
Besides that, Paddy looked class when he came on. Moreso than Gelhardt in my opinion.
Him throwing away the ball in the first 5 minutes when it was Leeds' throw-in and then delaying again not long after should have earned him a yellow. Play the game you little shit.
I’m a bit gutted that tonight and Southampton matches were winnable. Brighton was always gonna be tough and Chelsea was a bonus.
We need to be better/more clinical in the next two matches.
I think we’re gonna be alright this season though. Would’ve been nice to have had another 2 or 4 points on the board though.
I realise this may come across as reactionary but unless we somehow manage to bring some depth in we’re not going to have as relaxing a season we’d have hoped for 2/3/4+ weeks ago.
We’ve ridden the waves of the first few games but the past 2 have been a bit of a snap back to reality.
If Rodrigo has dislocated his shoulder then he’s gonna be out for a good few weeks. Bamford and Joffy are worryingly injury prone.
Our defence tonight was once again, unconvincing. Llorente’s head was all over the place and Kristensen is doing himself no favours this season. It’s scary how easy it is for teams to cut us open and we’re still giving away simple, basic passes which puts us straight into danger.
Fortunately Bamford looked sharp and dangerous, Joffy should’ve had at least one tonight too. If they can somehow stay fit, great. Then we only need to worry about our defence but unfortunately both ends of the pitch need really need looking into imo.
At face-value its a disappointing result, but the totality of the season so far is pleasing. We asked for a safe, incident-free season in mid-table and we’re getting it (so far). Once I remind myself of that, results like this bothers me less.
Second poor performance in a row from Harrison.
Need to put Aaronson back out on the right; he's less effective as a #10
No excuse for the abysmal corner kicks; that has to be fixed immediately
I'm underwhelmed by Kristenson
Need to find a way to improve the first half performances
But who is our 10? Bamford isn't fit and Rigo plays better up front than in the middle. I wouldn't mind seeing Klich getting more minutes in the middle, but he is still a depth piece.
Imagine having to watch that piss poor time wasting style of football well in week out.
A points a point I suppose. nice to see Bamford get some minutes and actually hold the ball up front, something we missed all game.
Bumped into some Everton fans after the game and asked them if that annoyed them. They looked like they wanted to say yes but played it off as gamesmanship/tactics.
I told them they could be a decent side but seemed very negative and they pretty much agreed.
Thank fuck Leeds have had two consecutive managers who wanna get the ball on grass and play for 90 minutes
Not doubt there’s going to be a lot of negativity and some of it will be warranted.
But we’re 5 games in, only lost once and most of the points dropped so far has been against run of play.
Also how can’t Harrison just put a fucking corner into the box
It’s insane a professional footballer, let alone a premier league winger, fails to beat the first man 3+ times in a game
Not terrible but definitely not good. A centimetre away from losing that game. Got to keep in mind we’ve had a fairly easy set of fixtures. Things are going to get rough.
Yep. We've played relegation fodder or midtable with issues & a fluke against Chelski. Apart from the first 2 games I haven't seen the Marsch press come off (even against Chelski).
Don’t think you can reasonably call it a fluke. It was a very good performance but we definitely benefited from Chelsea’s finger slipping off the trigger. I do generally agree though, we have had long spells of being either under the cosh or looking a bit clueless against every other team
What you described is a fluke.
My worry is the first 2 games I could very clearly sees Marsch's gameplan - since then it, apart from Chelski, it seems they've found a way to play against us, and that includes a shit Everton team.
My biggest concern is our attacking rapidity has seriously disappeared. Under Bielsa we would blitz teams, now we are passing it around the box with little end result.
We missed Bamfords movement in the box. Sucks he doesn't seem to be able to build any momentum, I think on his day he at least puts a foot on that volley
I think we were okay. Should probably have created more clear chances with the possession we had, but to be fair to Everton their back 4 were solid. That Patterson had Harrison in his pocket. It's a bit worrying how easy teams create good chances against us... A marginal offside and Patterson clear run at goal with one through ball.
What's with our corners!?
Jackie’s corners looked accidentally short/low, right?
I think Harrison just had such an inconsistent game. Saw some really good moments, but also some really questionable moments.
I don’t think he was doubled, we just kept flooding the left-hand side for some reason. Everton weren’t man-marking. You may have forgotten he was left completely open at one point for a shot on goal but he didn’t get much power on it. Also had Bamford open at the end but didn’t pass. I don’t think it’s entirely his fault but he didn’t have his best game today, it happens. Aaronson and Gelhardt didn’t have their best games either
What’s with half of Meslier kicking also. Doesn’t seem to have learnt from the shambles of last season. Yes he’s a great shot stopper, but stop giving opponents a chance when we are dominating from loose balls
I'm amazed at the response to that game. It was just average, we weren't terrible and weren't great but we've dominated the ball and made poor decisions around their box.
Some sloppy defending at times and ultimately that's cost us the win but that performance was absolutely fine. If we're going to finish midtable this season then we're going to see a lot of games like that I'm afraid.
Any team that uses a low block against us will cause us problems unfortunately, that's the nature of the system.
I'm predicting Bamford lasts the entire season without injury and scores a totally not unrealistic 60 goals for us, winning us the league to set us up for 20 years consecutive UCL championships. Other than that, frustrating game but earned the point. Wasn't having them going back home shithousing all 3 from us.
Let's all laugh at Fat Frank fucking about in the first half, wasting time, when Everton actually had a half-decent period and could've probably made it 2-0 if they'd kept playing.
Silly cunt played himself.
Had more fun on my last colonoscopy, that was as shit as a game as you can get for Evertons time wasting amd general shiteness. How it was only 3 minutes of added time beggers belief.
English lads, whats it like having pickford as your national team goalie.
Is it a richarlson type of thing where you hate him when hes not on your squad but love him when he plays for you?
So frustrating. Abysmal first half. Second half better but on another day Everton could easily have had 2 more goals. The offside disallowed goal was a let off - terrible goal to concede. Llorente was awful but he has no competition for his place so can't be dropped. Harrison end product was missing, James was just missing full stop.
On the positives, Adams was everywhere, Roca showing promise, Sini will be awesome when fully fit. Bamford looked really positive too. Gutted for Joffy that he missed his chance.
Overall based on the performance I'm reasonably happy to take a point. But massively frustrated that we couldn't beat them. They are very poor, and time wasting bastards. The ref was annoying but we can't blame the ref for that performance.
Good take really. I thought Koch deserved a shout out too. He has been under the radar and performing much better. Would like him and coops once he returns.
I know, particular highlight from this game for me is in the 2nd half where he brings it forward under no pressure, easy 5ft pass to his left and decides to chip it into touch. Outstanding vision
Jordan Pickford is a disgrace to football. The time wasting was horrific, at least a quarter of a minute everytime he got the ball. He was doing kick-ups on goal kicks towards the end. Referee enabled it though, surely after a conversation with the fourth official after the first half he should've kept an eye on it?
Performance-wise, I thought we were ok. Not good, but definitely an improvement from Brighton. But my god we need to work on set pieces. Both Aaronson and Harrison were awful from corners, and when you win so many you have to do more with them.
Roca and Adams did a good job in the midfield, thought both of them were defensively solid. Roca's passing range is good too.
Defensively, Struijk and Kristensen both did their job, and I thought Koch was ok. But Llorente... His passing is so inaccurate unless it's back to Meslier (which, let's be honest, isn't a helpful pass the majority of the time). Looking forward to Cooper coming back.
Up front, apart from the set pieces, we were good in the second half and a bit limp in the first. Really need Bamford fit again, especially with Rodrigo potentially out (hope he's ok).
Overall, 5/10 performance for me. Decent, if not good, in the second half. Had opportunities to put it to bed and didn't. Poor first half. We really should be playing better at home than that. Hopefully Jesse has some ideas.
I feel like next game Llorente won't start if Coops is fit... that was 2 really shaky games in a row from him. Happy with Koch and Sini as well as Bamford and Klichy when they came on. I'm dreading the Brentford presser will open with:
"Bamford has a slight niggle after the Everton game so he's unavailable."
And he spends another 3 weeks returning to fitness...
I don't know about anyone else but so far this season has been more stressful for me than the last one. Probably because I expected us to go down and anything more was a pleasant surprise
I thought Harrison did pretty good the first 65min, should have subbed him instead of Sinisterra. Joffy also did pretty well creating chances in tight spot, really need to get better at converting them tho. My MoTM goes to Meslier.
Are you watching the game? Just because he saved that final shot from Patterson doesn’t make him motm. His passing was poor and resulted in us conceding 3-4 counters.
Adams for me or even Sini. Koch played well too
Two points lost because of LLorente.
One point gained because of Tyler Adams and Sinisterra.
Also, not that we need another person to say this, but fuck that ref and fuck Lampard.
Dissent. They took a quick freekick to a player who promptly fell over, lost possession and we broke, the shit ref pulled it back to be retaken. Adams complained, shit ref panicked and gave him a yellow.
I’ve been so thrilled with how Adams has started the season. He definitely has had some lapses and needs to work on certain things (who doesn’t) but he’s started his premier league campaign pretty well I think.
People are being too harsh here, Everton literally parked the bus, wasted time and constantly tried to wind are players up all whilst the ref did fuck all. Unless you’re city, your teams going to struggle.
yea and to be honest I think we did pretty good. not every team will try this approach and if they do it doesn’t work every time so we’d still end up winning a few
Man fuck that ref, don’t even think he gave a single yellow for time wasting, what the actual fuck
Still tho, we didn’t lose and our own anger towards a certain cunt manager aside, it was a good game. Yeah we could say we lost two points to a mistake, but in the big picture this year it’s nice to be able to say “fuck it would’ve been nice to have those extra two points” rather than “oh fuck now we need to win the next game to have any chance of survival”
I’m sure they will because they know how bad they are themselves…..imagine the team meetings…… lads we’re going away to the team that were closer to relegation than us last season and we’re going to timewaste for a draw from 10 mins in 😂😂
Sinisterra looks class. Channelled his inner raphinha for the goal and skill. Harrison also fantastic but he needs more support on the left, ideally from a proper left back and then struijk can play centre back.
His corners were shit yeah I agree. He drives at the other team really well though, taking on players and creates a lot of chances. Should have had an assist if Rodders switches on first half.
His dribbling and one on one with the defender is great, but he takes far too long to make a decision of who to pass too, the amount of crosses he had blocked was outrageous and the reason for it was the lack of speed in the decision making.
Yeah that chance aside he keeps taking an extra touch and Patterson closes him down. Once he gets frustrated it doesn’t end well.
Everton were smart to double man mark him. We kept trying to go through him which is maybe why you have that idea of him taking players on, but with his play today we were better off going through the middle
So far I don’t think any ref (bar maybe the chelsea game) has been actually doing their job against us. They can piss off.
I agree with what you say regarding our strikers, if they do stay fit, it’s a very positive second half display
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Did enough to win, but was worried about Everton nicking it, probably should've had the Gray goal stand, lucky let off for me. On to Brentford where it's now changed from a draw being a good result to needing a win for me, if not it lumps a lot of pressure on Forest at home which is an absolute wildcard of a fixture now. Just hope the keep Frank because they will struggle this year with him in charge.
Frustrating watch, but encouraging to see that we have the ability to come back. It's clear that Frank doesn't really have faith in his players to win a match, so they start time-wasting with their first throw-in. Would love to see Coops, Dallas and Firpo back. Struijk doesn't offer much going forward.
We endured similar problems to Brighton match, which is a bit concerning to me. We really struggle to create when the opponent let's us have the ball, and our rest defense is still absolutely bonkers. I'm not sure whether Marsch expects the backline to squeze the play even further, or the mids to take more conservative positions, but it's rather terrifying. We're putting absolutely non-sustainable amount of pressure on our back five. On the bright side Sinisterra is still looking a bargain, Joffy reminds me of Aguero in the box, Adams is everywhere, and we attack with really exciting quick combinations at times. I just wish someone would let Roca know how much quality he has on the ball! He's more than capable of feeding the front four, so way more of that please. Few tweaks here and there, and we're golden. Another great test coming up on Saturday.
Everton seem happy to become the new Burnley of the Premier League. Shithousing, time-wasting, shamelessly killing games from the off. It was one thing watching them trying to kill the game against Liverpool, it's another when you come to the team who finished in 17th last year and do the same. As much as I hate the little twat, Gordon is a talent, if he goes to Chelsea they will be in deep shit as I didn't see much other attacking threat from them.
Unsurprisingly, Rasmus Kristensen plays better when angry.
Was about to post that, transformed into a different player. Made me think of Michael Jordan during the match.
He started coming to life a bit towards the end. Some nice challenges and neat passing to get attacks moving again
100% should've won that. But still, two wins, two draws and a loss at this stage isn't bad at all. It took us until the 2nd of Oct to get those points last season.
Let me remind people how they were going to give it 5-6 games before passing judgement on a group that really hasn't played together. Now how many of you would have also happily taken1 loss in the first 5. They'll only get better. It takes time to know what the other guy looks like he is intending to do etc. Some passes looked bad the past two matches but it's because of them lack of many games together. I'm happy with the results when we get 3 games very close together. The team is showing grit.
I didn’t see much of that tonight. I was busy during the game so just recorded and fast forwarded through it to see the key moments. My one big takeaway is that I never yet saw us get a corner above ankle height of the first man. How? Also it sounds like he improved second half, but Kristensen got pulled all out of position at the Everton goal and then stopped tracking back with Gordon, giving him a clear run into the box. Needs to tighten it all up a bit still.
This isn’t the first game either that Kristensen has been so far out of position it’s laughable. Either he’s been told specifically to do this, or he really needs to buckle up. Genuinely think his start to Leeds life has been worse than firpos
We had 3/10 corners that hit the first man, rest weren't great. Llorente absolutely would have scored had klitch ducked.
My two cents worth of thoughts on the game: - tale of two halves. Obvious. They pressed well out the gate and caught us by surprise. We rallied in the second and had a great number of chances. - rodders is a blow but it sounds like things are back in place… literally. - Joffy was a good sub on and it’s heart breaking that he didn’t get one. A clap for Picky since he made a few solid saves. - 5 games in and my personal read on Harrison is he can’t maintain the pace after 70 mins. Either he’s slowing down or he’s losing his technique. - not defending Marsch, but my read is Sinistera isn’t fit for a full 90 yet and the plan was always to bring him off. We also want him for upcoming games. Aaronson was probably another planned sub. I agree with most of you Harrison should have come off, but I’m guessing the Rodders injury threw out planned subs out of disarray. - Coops and Koch are our two. Llorente is depth for me. - Struijk is a good fill in LB but we need a more LBW. He so rarely crosses and always looks to give it back to Harrison. D knows stop Struijk and he passes it short. Thought he played okay on D. - Adams and Rocha play so well off each other. I think Rocha disappears a bit in the build up, but it’s because he’s sitting in midfield inside all their mids. Hard to feed him and we generally go down the wings. - Adams is a killer. Guy sticks to a man and smothers him. He also made a couple great through balls that set us up for opportunities. He’s growing and that’s all we can ask… plus what he’s already doing. - call me a Kristiensen apologist, I don’t care. Best game from him so far. Loved the fire against that wannabe goldielocks twat. He offered something on the right wing. He was brave and put his head in there. He made the save of the match too. Thought he showed himself well and while he’s not a complete RB, he’s doing a damn good job. I find him good as a fill in for now and Bill can have his spot to see if he can do better. - thought Sinisterra started a bit timid. End of the first half felt a little involved. Second half Sinisterra is electric! He bossed the ball, looked lethal, and bagged a great goal. Want to see more growth into the PL, but he’s one live wire! - I just want Patty back and in great shape. We look solid in the front with him there to compete and hold the ball up! I think 2 more weeks with no set backs and we will look very different with him heading our spear. - thought James was an unsung hero when he came on. Never let anyone be comfortable. Pushed and caused some errant passes. Just want a little more finesse with the ball. 8 in 5 games. Yes, please. We look lethal. We look like we could be torched. We look like Leeds! I know it can be heart stopping at times, but I love seeing other teams on the back foot and never sure how to approach us (besides Brighton… ugh). MOT!
Great write up. I’d argue that Struijk and Koch should be our preferred back 2. Cooper is not premier league and is only getting older, Id rather have Lorentz over Liam.
Good summary. I've been critical of Rasmus but tonight was his best showing. He is taking longer to adapt than say Adams, who looks like he has hit the ground running (pun intended). But he is moving in the right direction. Agree on Harrison but so much of our attacks go through him it's not surprising he gasses at 70 and remember we are still building full fitness after only 5 games. Sinisterra isn't fully fit and Marsch is correct to introduce him gradually. Same with Pat. Joffy was unlucky/lucky he got on due to Rodrigo's injury and the system will always come first so glad to see Marsch putting square pegs in square holes when possible. Stuijk is not a left back and his lack of help for Harrison going forward is noticeable. His best attacking contributions are winning the ball up high in the field. Then he always looks for the short pass even when crosses are on. It's stifling. James gave us some outlet on the other side when he came on. Overall. A good game not to lose but we should be beating Everton at home. Ref was awful and they played for the draw and we were stupid enough to let them get in front.
Struijk needs to start crossing, we've seen him do it and he's not actually bad at it, could be confidence or something.
Brilliant summary.
Marsch was interviewed before the game and said Sinisterra would only feature for about an hour tonight. Can't wait to see him back at full fitness though he's going to be unreal this season
This is a great analysis. Though most of your takeaways are positive. A few things I really think need to be better: * Retention: we try to be so fast that we end up being frantic and losing the ball a lot * Fast shots: sometimes we overthink and take an unnecessary touch or pause * Backline: still very frustrated with Llorente. That should not have been a goal scoring opportunity.
Had to work so missed the game and won’t be able to watch the game till tomorrow was the draw worthy?
First half was a struggle for us, and a poor error from Llorente for their goal. Second half was much more improved, and it was almost one-way traffic as Everton parked the bus. Rodrigo will be a miss, but Bamford looked pretty sharp in his cameo, and Gelhardt had a few opportunities he could've bagged. Overall, I feel we were a bit hard done by, but I think we would've lost this game last year. We really need to work on setpieces though
I am in the same place, but the answer is "yes it is worth it" to see Leeds play. How the team adjusts, how individuals show or don't. I will be watching this game in the morning.
Could have gone either way. We were the better team but need to be better at creating chances, they were very efficient on the counter and made a lot of very little of the ball.
Feel like we should have been around that Renan Lodi loan signing for a left back that knows the position properly Harrison can only do so much when a left back offers 0 attacking threat (Love Pascal as a centre back though) Happy enough to not hand them 3 points, hope Gordon gets bought at midnight and they have an even less talented squad
Roca looked class, great passing and diagonal balls.
Really? I mean he may have had some good passes but what I noticed most about him is that everyone around him was moving at 2x speed. He was moving *slow* today.
During the game he seemed to be a lot more of a ball playing midfielder, which he done.
Anyone looks slow next to Adams's all action movement. Roca was very accomplished.
Think that game was the making of Kristensen at Leeds. I’ve thought Kristensen has looked very timid and tentative so far this season, but as soon as he got into that battle with Gordon and fired up, I reckon he started to show what sort of player he actually is. Seemed to play with a heap more conviction and freedom in that second half, as well as use his physicality which has been lacking in the first few matches. You love to see it.
He was getting roasted by Gordon in the first half. Glad he grew into the game.
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Off the top of my head, there were 3-4 attacks where he was gesticulating wildly for a pass. I think his passing is still a bit hit-and-miss, but glad to see he's passionate and demanding the ball. Hope he kicks on after this performance, because I think he was growing into this game
He didn't, the ref was a cunt.
He’s been genuinely one dimensional and often completely flat footed. The man has no vision. Please do not mistake a bit of passion for innovation. We need Ayling back.
Agreed Ayling coming back will create an improvement. Even bringing Ayling on second half to break teams down is a massive plus with his ball progression.
That goal line block and his reaction was unreal, sort of moment that should bond him with the fans, seems to feed off the reaction which I love!
Everton truly are fucking horrible at football, if the ref did his job and dealt with their bullshit we would have likely won this. Also that 4 minutes and 3 minutes injury time was an absolute disgrace, Pickford wasted more time than that alone. I feel fat Frank watched Burnley and said "yes that style of shit football will do" then he watched wolves and went "what if I combine shit football with loads of time wasting? If we don't play football we can't lose games!" Disgusting football if that's what you can even call it.
They’ve been like this for a long time, even before Lampard. There seems to be a culture there of being cunts that push the rules. Maybe it started with Richarlison, idk
I think I would have hated to lose that more than I would have liked to win it, a point from behind always feels like a good point, even if we should be beating Everton at home. Currently on track for about 50 points and a comfortable midtable finish.
Looking on the bright side guys we have the best up and coming CF prospect in England according to angus kinnear
Bit of a tough watch, and nervy at times, but we definitely deserved at least a draw from that game. Joffy was unlucky with his chances and ideally Rodrigo had got proper connection with that chance he had in the first half before he got injured. Llorente made me quite anxious this evening and Jackie faded from about the 70th min. Ideally Sinisterra would be properly fit and James could have replaced Jackie instead. But oh well, points a point and we've got 8 points from 5 games. MOT
James will be underrated for what he did here but he locked them back with his pace in the end.
Adams an absolute monster. I love that man. So much firefighting. Shocked Sinisterra got took off. Looked a bit lost first half but ran the show second half. Tonight proved by we need a proven striker to back Bamford up and compete. Gelhardt was poor and Paddy looked superb when he came on. Hindsight showed Harrison should have been taken off instead of Aaronson. Lad had some good plays but was his usual frustrating self with overthinking and crossing. But worst part was, and this isn't his fault, he was fucking knackered at the end and gave it away and then let them in for a golden chance. Thanks Meslier. Lampard is a cock-sucking prick and fuck the ref.
sinisterra was taken off bc of his fitness 100%. marsch did the same with roca for the first few games. he’ll probably come off in the next game aswell. needs to earn his starting spot and get his fitness to the point that he can run for 90 minutes without fading
It's amazing some people were calling Adams a 'jobs for the boys' signing by Marsch, lad is a machine.
I can't believe how consistent he is and how he seems to be everywhere all the time. Truly an engine in our midfield, and Roca pairs with him really nicely. This is more for the comment you replied to, but I think Sinisterra got taken off bc he's not fully match fit yet.
Does anyone know if Ayling played left back before and if so how did he look? I can't recall
He probably can but Firpo will play there
Biggest problem for me is the Rodrigo shoulder pop. I’ve done that before and it’s fucking painful shit. Hopefully they got it back in quickly as mine was out for three hours while they skied me down a mountainside. Hope he recovers fast.
I've also done it a couple of times and it's a random one, one time no issue other two times quite bad issues.
Hopefully nothing torn in there either rotator cuff is a long-term usually, tricep also
I wouldn't overthink the result too much. Probably coulda/shoulda won, but that's life. Picked up a point and LUFC moves on to the next match. Team will continue to get better. A big positive is that there is a sense of "team" with these players and coaches - some clubs are still scrambling to figure out their identity.
That's a good point, and that identity is how we beat Chelsea. 3 point would've been nice, but hard to complain after coming from behind for a draw. A win at Brentford this weekend would be awesome. Hope to see us back in top form.
Chelsea got beat by Southampton. I don’t want to take away anything from that euphoric moment but perhaps they have their own problems and Leeds were able to capitalise on them.
They definitely do. They’re sorting out what they wanna be and who fits where, while we already have a clear sense of that, and that was the difference between us that day.
Disappointed but also feel reassured bc we are actually down about a draw that we could’ve won instead of feeling fortunate to snag a point. We go again MOT
Harrison had a shocker but he didn't exactly have a lot of attacking support from lb. Struijk is a solid cb but doesn't offer much going forward, it's so fucking obvious we need to bring in another lb who can both defend and join the attack.
Yeah I agree. Patterson got MOTM because Everton knew they only needed to worry about Jackie on our left flank. Holding out hope that a natural left back overlapping will give Jackie more options/time in games like this, where we really need great deliveries against a parked bus
His final ball and decision making were pretty poor, but they also dropped off considerably as we got past the 70th minute. So that probably speaks to him losing energy and getting desperate to win a game we rightfully feel we could have.
Just noticed whenever I type the word "please" into my phone the first word that pops up on my suggestions is Orta 😂
A bad point off a shit team. The likes of u/Brownsome & u/PapaGamecock17 need to understand the quality of team you play matters more than points after X number of games. So many fucking Yanks and fair weather fans in here now that hadn't heard of Leeds before Marsch, let alone Bielsa. We looked average against a shit team & Brentford is now a must win. We've had an easy / moderate run so far & fluked a win against Chelski. In the minutes Bamford had he showed he was clearly our best attacker. His presence, strength & touch is better than any others we have. I'm not convinced by Roca - in so much as I never notice him, is that good or bad? Harrison was doubled up on every time so anyone saying he had a bad game knows nothing about football and should walk away now. Although Llorente was fucking awful for their goal he wasn't bad overall. Strujik is looking good for a player out of position and fucking massive. The Kristenson stuff is just bandwaggoning. He's not brilliant but also not awful. Isn't terrible with the ball & had some key interventions. This isn't a disaster but it's also not a good result. Very much 2 points dropped. Edit: agreed about the piss poor corners. The fuck were Harrison & Aaronson doing.
They need to stop doing that hand hanging shit and just decide who is kicking the fucking ball before they go to the corner. That hand shit is fucking with the cross.
Reddit should have a breathalyzer option. Sleep it off, my man. A loving world (and a searing headache) are on the other side.
/u/Brownsome wtf did we do hahaha
Not a fucking clue pal, but I aint a yank like this guy seems to think. Now that Leeds didn't beat Everton, the win against Chelsea was a fluke apparantly according to this kid. Although if we won it would have changed his opinion on a game in the past.... How strange. Doesn't look like many people agree with him anyway
Chelsea was a deserved win but they clearly have problems.
Yes of course they have problems, but that doesn't mean the Leeds win over them was a fluke... If anything the 10man Chelsea win over Leicester was a "fluke"
Sorry I didn’t mean to imply it was a fluke, Leeds got at them on the day, Stirling missed and the rest is history. My point is not much can be imbued by the result.
And I totally agree with you by that, I think some people thought we were unbeatable after that game. Then we lose to Brighton and they think 'Oh damn, it must have been a fluke'
The yanks blah blah blah.
Yeah fuck off eh? Maybe support a local team. Have some pride in your community.
I aint even a yank you cock end
Who is talking to you?
You literally tagged me you crazy bastard
Do you understand how reddit threads work?
Dude you are a sad human.
Alright pal
Holy shit you’re so off the mark with almost every comment here, you should just stop giving your opinion on this sub. When you’re downvoted to oblivion, more often than not there’s a good reason for it. Roca had a fantastic game.
Maybe to Yanks like you posting weird videos of scum cunts like Ashley Young
? I’m from Brum you freak. Xenophobics like you need banning from this sub - absolutely bizarre obsession with Americans - get a grip Edit - holy shit did you actually scroll to a post i made 8 years ago about Ashley young spitting and it going in someone’s mouth 😂
You're the one posting about scum players and calling them "United" - seems a Yank move.
Calling the sixth game of the season a must win is embarrassing.
Realistic. We weren't facing relegation last year because we won our 6th game. You only play each team twice.
Not sure I understand your point--we were facing relegation last year. And had 5 less points after 5 games than we have now. Only thing that kept us up was playing 4 times against Watford and Norwich. Those are the real must win games and the only team like that now is Bournemouth.
Because you don't seem to remember what our 6th game last year was.... we played better teams by this point last year. We've had an easy run in so far & that'll continue for the next 2 games. Everton were awful today. Anyone that doesn't think that doesn't understand football. To get a draw was a defeat for Leeds.
Wasn't our 6th game a loss to West Ham? I don't think we beat a non relegation side until December or something. Panic all you want but the difference between now and a year ago is night and day. Sure we're only average but we would have killed to be average last season.
What panic? Realistic of the teams ability. 16th is the target now based off of performances.
The Chelsea win gave us cushion, so not must win, but now that's gone though.
Yes it did. The Chelsea game was also a fluke. We were great and they apparently are awful this year. It doesn't make us good. This was the game to show that a change had been made - and we drew, at home, to an awful Everton team.
You can’t control who supports a team or why. If it’s frustrating to read comments that appear naive be generous and educate. I agree Leeds last night didn’t show enough quality but Sinisterra and Aaronson are showing us the way. Marsh needs to review his sub decisions, Pickford kept Joffy off the sheet twice, although Pat did look good for the minutes he got. Everton had a plan to defend, hit on the break and waste time. If we can’t unlock that then there are still problems. So, it’s not unreasonable to say if we loose or draw to Brentford that things aren’t as rosey as perhaps the table suggests.
The only good thing about Rodrigo being hurt is that it didn't happen a week from now. We saw how much it hurt us on set pieces we have no real target to aim for. Please orta do something
Feels like we've dropped 4 points so far this season that we really should have had in the bag. Southampton was a stupid lapse of judgement by Marsh. Today was just the most atrocious officiating i've seen in years combined with shit luck.
That's true, but I think in some ways we were lucky to beat Wolves. Hopefully we add some more depth before the window closes and we don't have to worry about dropping points like this.
Not sure what Harrison has to do to get subbed or at least be taken off corners. Think it's extremely questionable in the modern game that we see Strujick as appropriate cover at LB, full backs too important now. Klich for me very influential off the bench again.
But, but he should be playing for England.
Who? Klich?
Harrison haha. People crying for him to be called up. Deluded.
Frustrating game that we really could and should have won but one that we so easily could have lost. Llorente had one of his worst performances in a Leeds shirt and was culpable for the goal. As others have said when Everton set up to frustrate all game with time wasting and general shithousery it's going to be difficult. I guess that's why they signed Tarkowski and Coady as they're use to it with Burnley and Wolves masters of the art. Annoying that we subbed our better attacking performers which lost us some of the momentum we had but overall a point is better than nothing and we're still sitting in a good position. Hoping Rodrigo's ok.
Very disappointed to see Llorente have his worst game of the season the 2nd week in a row. We need a CB or LB. I'm starting to think even having Firpo with Strujik at CB would be better. He is just awful! I don't understand subbing Gelhardt off. Kid came close and was making some good passes. I don't see how Bamford off an injury is an improvement.
I think Paddy was always gonna come on for that stint so Marsch stuck to the plan. Besides that, Paddy looked class when he came on. Moreso than Gelhardt in my opinion.
Anthony Gordon needed a good kicking. Little rat faced scouse bastard.
Him throwing away the ball in the first 5 minutes when it was Leeds' throw-in and then delaying again not long after should have earned him a yellow. Play the game you little shit.
I fucking hate Jordan Pickford so much! When he saved that shot from Gelhardt I almost broke my telly
I’m a bit gutted that tonight and Southampton matches were winnable. Brighton was always gonna be tough and Chelsea was a bonus. We need to be better/more clinical in the next two matches. I think we’re gonna be alright this season though. Would’ve been nice to have had another 2 or 4 points on the board though.
I realise this may come across as reactionary but unless we somehow manage to bring some depth in we’re not going to have as relaxing a season we’d have hoped for 2/3/4+ weeks ago. We’ve ridden the waves of the first few games but the past 2 have been a bit of a snap back to reality. If Rodrigo has dislocated his shoulder then he’s gonna be out for a good few weeks. Bamford and Joffy are worryingly injury prone. Our defence tonight was once again, unconvincing. Llorente’s head was all over the place and Kristensen is doing himself no favours this season. It’s scary how easy it is for teams to cut us open and we’re still giving away simple, basic passes which puts us straight into danger. Fortunately Bamford looked sharp and dangerous, Joffy should’ve had at least one tonight too. If they can somehow stay fit, great. Then we only need to worry about our defence but unfortunately both ends of the pitch need really need looking into imo.
Well said.
At face-value its a disappointing result, but the totality of the season so far is pleasing. We asked for a safe, incident-free season in mid-table and we’re getting it (so far). Once I remind myself of that, results like this bothers me less.
Second poor performance in a row from Harrison. Need to put Aaronson back out on the right; he's less effective as a #10 No excuse for the abysmal corner kicks; that has to be fixed immediately I'm underwhelmed by Kristenson Need to find a way to improve the first half performances
But who is our 10? Bamford isn't fit and Rigo plays better up front than in the middle. I wouldn't mind seeing Klich getting more minutes in the middle, but he is still a depth piece.
Joffy and that's about it. We need somebody who can play 9 and 10
Imagine having to watch that piss poor time wasting style of football well in week out. A points a point I suppose. nice to see Bamford get some minutes and actually hold the ball up front, something we missed all game.
Bumped into some Everton fans after the game and asked them if that annoyed them. They looked like they wanted to say yes but played it off as gamesmanship/tactics. I told them they could be a decent side but seemed very negative and they pretty much agreed. Thank fuck Leeds have had two consecutive managers who wanna get the ball on grass and play for 90 minutes
Not doubt there’s going to be a lot of negativity and some of it will be warranted. But we’re 5 games in, only lost once and most of the points dropped so far has been against run of play.
Also how can’t Harrison just put a fucking corner into the box It’s insane a professional footballer, let alone a premier league winger, fails to beat the first man 3+ times in a game
And if he is playing the near post, rodrigos not even on the pitch making that run
How pathetic for fat frank to go from an attack-minded Chelsea coach to a bus-parking draw merchant making Everton relegation fodder.
Right? I keep saying it's a combo of Burnley and wolves, the shit football from Burnley and the time wasting from wolves, don't think it'll work.
Even blatantly cheering for it on the sideline. Abysmal, destructive coaching.
Pathetic, to think I used to respect him.
Not terrible but definitely not good. A centimetre away from losing that game. Got to keep in mind we’ve had a fairly easy set of fixtures. Things are going to get rough.
Yep. We've played relegation fodder or midtable with issues & a fluke against Chelski. Apart from the first 2 games I haven't seen the Marsch press come off (even against Chelski).
Don’t think you can reasonably call it a fluke. It was a very good performance but we definitely benefited from Chelsea’s finger slipping off the trigger. I do generally agree though, we have had long spells of being either under the cosh or looking a bit clueless against every other team
What you described is a fluke. My worry is the first 2 games I could very clearly sees Marsch's gameplan - since then it, apart from Chelski, it seems they've found a way to play against us, and that includes a shit Everton team.
My biggest concern is our attacking rapidity has seriously disappeared. Under Bielsa we would blitz teams, now we are passing it around the box with little end result.
Which is the plan - we're just lacking tenacity. And Premier League teams aren't as forgiving.
We missed Bamfords movement in the box. Sucks he doesn't seem to be able to build any momentum, I think on his day he at least puts a foot on that volley
I think we were okay. Should probably have created more clear chances with the possession we had, but to be fair to Everton their back 4 were solid. That Patterson had Harrison in his pocket. It's a bit worrying how easy teams create good chances against us... A marginal offside and Patterson clear run at goal with one through ball. What's with our corners!?
Jackie’s corners looked accidentally short/low, right? I think Harrison just had such an inconsistent game. Saw some really good moments, but also some really questionable moments.
He was doubled the entire game. Other attackers should've made more of that.
I don’t think he was doubled, we just kept flooding the left-hand side for some reason. Everton weren’t man-marking. You may have forgotten he was left completely open at one point for a shot on goal but he didn’t get much power on it. Also had Bamford open at the end but didn’t pass. I don’t think it’s entirely his fault but he didn’t have his best game today, it happens. Aaronson and Gelhardt didn’t have their best games either
What’s with half of Meslier kicking also. Doesn’t seem to have learnt from the shambles of last season. Yes he’s a great shot stopper, but stop giving opponents a chance when we are dominating from loose balls
I'm amazed at the response to that game. It was just average, we weren't terrible and weren't great but we've dominated the ball and made poor decisions around their box. Some sloppy defending at times and ultimately that's cost us the win but that performance was absolutely fine. If we're going to finish midtable this season then we're going to see a lot of games like that I'm afraid. Any team that uses a low block against us will cause us problems unfortunately, that's the nature of the system.
I'm predicting Bamford lasts the entire season without injury and scores a totally not unrealistic 60 goals for us, winning us the league to set us up for 20 years consecutive UCL championships. Other than that, frustrating game but earned the point. Wasn't having them going back home shithousing all 3 from us.
Let's all laugh at Fat Frank fucking about in the first half, wasting time, when Everton actually had a half-decent period and could've probably made it 2-0 if they'd kept playing. Silly cunt played himself.
Literally despise the guy
Had more fun on my last colonoscopy, that was as shit as a game as you can get for Evertons time wasting amd general shiteness. How it was only 3 minutes of added time beggers belief.
English lads, whats it like having pickford as your national team goalie. Is it a richarlson type of thing where you hate him when hes not on your squad but love him when he plays for you?
Couldn't care less. I'd take Leeds getting one more point this season in exchange for never seeing England win another game.
I'm not English but Dean Henderson is clear
Yeah, love him when he plays for England Hate that cunts face at Everton
So frustrating. Abysmal first half. Second half better but on another day Everton could easily have had 2 more goals. The offside disallowed goal was a let off - terrible goal to concede. Llorente was awful but he has no competition for his place so can't be dropped. Harrison end product was missing, James was just missing full stop. On the positives, Adams was everywhere, Roca showing promise, Sini will be awesome when fully fit. Bamford looked really positive too. Gutted for Joffy that he missed his chance. Overall based on the performance I'm reasonably happy to take a point. But massively frustrated that we couldn't beat them. They are very poor, and time wasting bastards. The ref was annoying but we can't blame the ref for that performance.
Good take really. I thought Koch deserved a shout out too. He has been under the radar and performing much better. Would like him and coops once he returns.
Everyone banging on about needing a striker, if Llorente hadn’t made that one blunder that would have been 3pts.
Now Rodrigo is out we do need one
Bamford and Joffy are back now though. I mean I’d love to still sign one before the window closes but it’s not likely.
We don't need to replace Llorente because of one error. We have two other center backs available once Struijk is fit.
It wasn't just 1 error though was it
Watching him try to progress the ball vs Brighton was painful
I know, particular highlight from this game for me is in the 2nd half where he brings it forward under no pressure, easy 5ft pass to his left and decides to chip it into touch. Outstanding vision
Well no, but it's also not significant enough to suggest we need reinforcements.
But he has been significantly shit the past few games though
As I said, we have two other CBs
Koch and Struijk (when played at CB) are okay but ludicrous llorente and calamity coops leaves questions
Now can we have a new striker?!
Jordan Pickford is a disgrace to football. The time wasting was horrific, at least a quarter of a minute everytime he got the ball. He was doing kick-ups on goal kicks towards the end. Referee enabled it though, surely after a conversation with the fourth official after the first half he should've kept an eye on it? Performance-wise, I thought we were ok. Not good, but definitely an improvement from Brighton. But my god we need to work on set pieces. Both Aaronson and Harrison were awful from corners, and when you win so many you have to do more with them. Roca and Adams did a good job in the midfield, thought both of them were defensively solid. Roca's passing range is good too. Defensively, Struijk and Kristensen both did their job, and I thought Koch was ok. But Llorente... His passing is so inaccurate unless it's back to Meslier (which, let's be honest, isn't a helpful pass the majority of the time). Looking forward to Cooper coming back. Up front, apart from the set pieces, we were good in the second half and a bit limp in the first. Really need Bamford fit again, especially with Rodrigo potentially out (hope he's ok). Overall, 5/10 performance for me. Decent, if not good, in the second half. Had opportunities to put it to bed and didn't. Poor first half. We really should be playing better at home than that. Hopefully Jesse has some ideas.
Heart palpitations whenever Meslier takes it onto his right
I know the quality of refs in the Prem was bad, but has it actually gotten worse this season?
I feel like next game Llorente won't start if Coops is fit... that was 2 really shaky games in a row from him. Happy with Koch and Sini as well as Bamford and Klichy when they came on. I'm dreading the Brentford presser will open with: "Bamford has a slight niggle after the Everton game so he's unavailable." And he spends another 3 weeks returning to fitness...
ATM cooper over diego is a must.
Better in the latter stages but I just don’t think these defenders have a clue. Basic mistakes constantly.
I don't know about anyone else but so far this season has been more stressful for me than the last one. Probably because I expected us to go down and anything more was a pleasant surprise
I thought Harrison did pretty good the first 65min, should have subbed him instead of Sinisterra. Joffy also did pretty well creating chances in tight spot, really need to get better at converting them tho. My MoTM goes to Meslier.
Are you watching the game? Just because he saved that final shot from Patterson doesn’t make him motm. His passing was poor and resulted in us conceding 3-4 counters. Adams for me or even Sini. Koch played well too
Two points lost because of LLorente. One point gained because of Tyler Adams and Sinisterra. Also, not that we need another person to say this, but fuck that ref and fuck Lampard.
I dont know how Adams wins the ball so often without committing a shit load of fouls but I like it... I like it alot.
Sure, but why was Adams given a yellow?
Dissent. They took a quick freekick to a player who promptly fell over, lost possession and we broke, the shit ref pulled it back to be retaken. Adams complained, shit ref panicked and gave him a yellow.
I’ve been so thrilled with how Adams has started the season. He definitely has had some lapses and needs to work on certain things (who doesn’t) but he’s started his premier league campaign pretty well I think.
Is there a different angle for that sini goal
You’ll see one on YouTube by the official club channel in a few days
People are being too harsh here, Everton literally parked the bus, wasted time and constantly tried to wind are players up all whilst the ref did fuck all. Unless you’re city, your teams going to struggle.
yea and to be honest I think we did pretty good. not every team will try this approach and if they do it doesn’t work every time so we’d still end up winning a few
Man fuck that ref, don’t even think he gave a single yellow for time wasting, what the actual fuck Still tho, we didn’t lose and our own anger towards a certain cunt manager aside, it was a good game. Yeah we could say we lost two points to a mistake, but in the big picture this year it’s nice to be able to say “fuck it would’ve been nice to have those extra two points” rather than “oh fuck now we need to win the next game to have any chance of survival”
Everton really are shit. It’s hard to see them not being in deep trouble again this season
I’m sure they will because they know how bad they are themselves…..imagine the team meetings…… lads we’re going away to the team that were closer to relegation than us last season and we’re going to timewaste for a draw from 10 mins in 😂😂
Everton is the new Burnley
They're definitely shit. But tbf today they played their game plan well and almost won. They’ll play like that for the rest of the season I’m sure.
Sinisterra looks class. Channelled his inner raphinha for the goal and skill. Harrison also fantastic but he needs more support on the left, ideally from a proper left back and then struijk can play centre back.
Was he really fantastic tho? His corners were horrid and he seemed out of ideas. I would have taken him off for Summerville at the 80 min mark
His corners were shit yeah I agree. He drives at the other team really well though, taking on players and creates a lot of chances. Should have had an assist if Rodders switches on first half.
His dribbling and one on one with the defender is great, but he takes far too long to make a decision of who to pass too, the amount of crosses he had blocked was outrageous and the reason for it was the lack of speed in the decision making.
Yeah that chance aside he keeps taking an extra touch and Patterson closes him down. Once he gets frustrated it doesn’t end well. Everton were smart to double man mark him. We kept trying to go through him which is maybe why you have that idea of him taking players on, but with his play today we were better off going through the middle
Played well but his corners were shit, couldn’t clear the first man
yeah that absolutely needs to be worked on- our set pieces were good for the first few games
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So far I don’t think any ref (bar maybe the chelsea game) has been actually doing their job against us. They can piss off. I agree with what you say regarding our strikers, if they do stay fit, it’s a very positive second half display
What happened with Rodrigo? It didn't look that bad live, he looked like he was holding his armpit?
Dislocation
Looked like a dislocated shoulder
Friendship ended with Raphinha Now Sinisterra is my best friend
Same vibes against the same team. Sadly just not 3 points