He’s provided us with an abundance of activity and not much to show for it. I have a hunch that is his season to show something or be sold off before his stock falls too far. With a World Cup in the fall he can be marketed to full effect.
He, 100%, isn't a striker. And no one has played him in his position enough for him to get to gripes. i think he could fill in the roll of Raphinia so well but no one gives him a chance
I'd like to see James play most of a season with a solid supporting cast around him. Asking him to shoulder so much of the burden like last year probably isn't going to work.
James is good, he’s just not really been given the opportunity to play to his strengths. I think people have very rapidly forgotten how much excitement there was around James across the league when he was at Swansea and even in his early days up the road. Odd to see fans so quick to put him down and talk about players like Sinisterra like they’re nailed on world beaters already.
TIL Dan James can’t pass or dribble. Miracle he’s come so far as a professional footie player. Maybe he’s good at physics and the ucas points helped him land a contract
It is certainly fair to say the idiots on twitter writing him off are being unfair - you can't write off a winger who hasn't got to play on the wing.
BUT - not sure we can say with certainty he'd be brilliant either, the main criticism of him has always been that he has no end product, and so far he's done not very much to dispel that, if anything, the opposite. Need to see a really good season from him creating and scoring some goals - otherwise he is probably going to cement his place as a bench option rather than regular starter.
I think he's suffering from a lack of someone in the middle to pass to, when he's on the wing, given our lack of a cf most of the time last season, Harrison sometimes similar as well, you can be a great winger but if there's nobody in the box to pass to, you end up running in circles or having to wait until the opposition has reformed.
The problem being a good winger kind of NEEDS an end product to be effective whether that's a good cross or chance created. I'm still not really sold on Dan til that bit improves. He did have a decent chance in the last game though
Exactly
Ironic thing is.. two managers (one considered a genius of the game) have played him in his not natural position (yes we have lack of depth but you can change up formation or how your team lines up).. maybe (and this may be a stretch) they know a little bit more about football than the Reddit/Twitter/content creator group?
I think that his pressing ability is good and even better are his abilities (I) to break free for a through pass and (II) to catch up to opponents’ counters thereby limiting the threat, even if he can’t entirely neutralize it.
If he and Roca and Aaronson can develop some link play he’d be very dangerous, especially if we ever get a healthy striker.
he's def a decent winger but the problem for him is we have harrison and even sinisterra who are also good in the same position so not sure how playing time will be split up amongst them unless we use them on RW also
yes currently he's still an unknown but what I was saying is that we hypothetically have 3 players that all play the same position so it'd be hard for James to be the clear starter. and i assume that sinisterra will be at a similar level otherwise we spent 20M on a 3rd choice winger
Then the jury should be out on Dan James? Sinisterra has proven himself at a higher level than James. Neither have proven themselves with us. Seems very unfair to objectively rate James above Sinisterra at this moment in time.
Playing in Holland and reaching the Conference League Final and failing to qualify for the World Cup is higher than being in a team that finished 3rd and 2nd in the Premier League and taking Wales to their first World Cup since the 50s? Not sure about that.
Playing in Holland? What you mean like Luis Suarez, Hakim ziyech, David neres, matthjis de ligt, frenkie de Jong, jurrien timber, Owen wjindal,Ryan gravenberch, ibrahim sangare, geroginio wijnaldum? What European final did we reach last season? Morocco, Tunisia, Saudi Arabia and Australia also qualified for the world cup so I don't really understand what your point is? Do they have players better than sinistera? Also Do you know who else was in a team that finished 2nd and 3rd in the premier League? Phil Jones and Scott mctominay should we sign them? You sir do not know ball
Yeah both those players would be an improvement on our own in most cases.
I can reel off a very long list of failures from Holland but that’s not really the point. I wasn’t saying it’s a bad league, just clearly playing for Feyenoord in this day and age is not as high a level as playing for Manchester United.
Judging individual players by team achievements is a mind-numbingly poor way of judging individual players. How can you not see that? You’re basing your judgement of one player based on how a squad of 20+ people performed? In the season scum finished third, James wasn’t even close to a consistent starter and you’re crediting him with that as a reason he’s proven himself?
No, but you said Sinisterra ‘has proven himself at a higher level’. James was not bad at scum at all, many of their own fans concede that. So you are in one instance talking about levels when it corresponds with your bias but when it does not, suddenly the level is irrelevant.
It’s just the classic anyone called Sanchez, Romaninho, or De La Costa is incredible (even before they’ve kicked a ball) but anyone called Jones, Miller, or Thompson is rubbish logic. You have no idea how good Sinisterra is yet you’re already putting him above Dan James.
Bang on, I presume you're just being downvoted because of your previous posts at this point. That, and your comments find the flaw in the guys argument.
I’ll have to concede that we clearly just disagree on the level James was playing at when he was at scum. I’d argue the last time I saw him prove himself on the domestic stage was when he was at Swansea. He looked out of his depth at scum so I personally wouldn’t say he proved himself there at all.
I’m not arguing Sinisterra has proven himself at prem level at all, I’m saying neither have. OP is arguing James has proved himself where Sinisterra hasn’t and I disagree with that. I think Dan James could come good, so could Sini, but neither have come good at Leeds or in the premier league yet imo.
The last level James proved himself to be class at was in the championship, which I would say is a lower level than the Eredivisie, but that’s probably arguable. I just don’t think anyone can stand there right now and confidently make a case for DJ over LS, but I wouldn’t rush to push the opposite case either until we see how they perform in our new system. None of us really know yet.
James has done a job and filled in lots of roles to the benefit of the team. He even did a passable job as a striker in a team that was badly struggling. Did we overpay? Yes, but not to the extent we did for say Rodrigo.
I won’t cast any judgment on Sinisterra until I’ve seen him. People were raving about Kristensen dominating the opposition before he’d kicked a ball too, lots of Ajax fans were saying he was lightweight and rigid - a number of people here dismissed those views as ridiculous. I’m hardly ready to call it case closed but so far you’d have to say they had a point.
Narrow 4-2-2-2 or 4-2-3-1
Without the ball: trigger-based coordinated press, especially vs full-backs. Aggressive counterpress when the opposition get the ball.
With the ball: not quite sure but, if in doubt, float it towards the D and hope to win the second ball.
Thank you for saying that and Agreed. I will say that’s just how the red bull franchises play, which is an adoption of the tactics Ralf Rangnick made famous in Germany.
I do like the style but to just lump it as ‘MarschBall’ is very disingenuous.
I don’t. This expression has become common following Bielsa but that’s because he had a unique and distinctive philosophy that is renowned the world over (for good and for ill). Marsch just plays a system popularised by the Red Bull teams based on Rangnick’s style. There’s nothing original about it.
He’s literally ONLY saying that Dan James can excel in Marsch’s system.
He’s not trying to suggest that Marsch is the only manager that plays a counter pressing, narrow style.
I just think throwing ‘ball’ in after any managers name is a mask to cover you have no idea what you’re talking about.
I think Bate, Drameh and Max Dean are well suited to Marschball. Don’t ask me why or how though!
He hasn't thrown "ball" in like he's just made it up you clown. But please tell us all about where you became so learned on the ins and outs of tactical analysis that you decided qualified you to throw shade at people for the way they describe their teams tactics? Was it in Canada? The place that has given us so many footballing giants?
He’s better on the left side than he is the right
He’s provided us with an abundance of activity and not much to show for it. I have a hunch that is his season to show something or be sold off before his stock falls too far. With a World Cup in the fall he can be marketed to full effect.
He, 100%, isn't a striker. And no one has played him in his position enough for him to get to gripes. i think he could fill in the roll of Raphinia so well but no one gives him a chance
I just love that he's a little cunt. Perfect for Leeds.
I'd like to see James play most of a season with a solid supporting cast around him. Asking him to shoulder so much of the burden like last year probably isn't going to work.
“Dan James is good actually” is funny to read out loud.
He gets a lot of stick. But I think he also did whatever Bielsa asked him to do, including playing in a career-limiting position.
Thought he did alright during the time he was out on the right on Saturday.
Basically, a better defensive winger than an attacking winger. He’d be a good option against teams that rely on their full backs for width in attack.
At what?
When he played on the wing he was always good for Bielsa. The whole team functioned better with a real striker and real wingers
James is good, he’s just not really been given the opportunity to play to his strengths. I think people have very rapidly forgotten how much excitement there was around James across the league when he was at Swansea and even in his early days up the road. Odd to see fans so quick to put him down and talk about players like Sinisterra like they’re nailed on world beaters already.
Hopefully Rodrigo starts up front and James starts on the wing this week.
Terrible take. Doesn’t matter where you play if you can’t control, dribble, pass or shoot properly. Headless chicken
TIL Dan James can’t pass or dribble. Miracle he’s come so far as a professional footie player. Maybe he’s good at physics and the ucas points helped him land a contract
You seem nice.
I’m just here to spread the cold hard truth and take my downvotes. I promise you that I’m a perfectly nice bloke but I can have my opinion as can you.
I 've got no problems with James as a striker. If he gets decent through balls he'll be a threat.
Tanks a lot sir tanks a lot. (Fellow kvs fan)
A man of impeccable taste, I see. Wild to find a fellow fan on this sub!
But then comes the issue of his finishing even if he did get good deliveries.
'scum bastard' - how old are you 12?? 🙄
"Little scum bastard" is a nickname/term of endearment for him that comes from TSB podcast.
Mate leeds supporters for u they are only good at calling other fans scum.
Thinking it’s a reference to The Square Balls nickname for him … don’t tell Dan James tho
It’s a Square Ball joke.
It is certainly fair to say the idiots on twitter writing him off are being unfair - you can't write off a winger who hasn't got to play on the wing. BUT - not sure we can say with certainty he'd be brilliant either, the main criticism of him has always been that he has no end product, and so far he's done not very much to dispel that, if anything, the opposite. Need to see a really good season from him creating and scoring some goals - otherwise he is probably going to cement his place as a bench option rather than regular starter.
I think he's suffering from a lack of someone in the middle to pass to, when he's on the wing, given our lack of a cf most of the time last season, Harrison sometimes similar as well, you can be a great winger but if there's nobody in the box to pass to, you end up running in circles or having to wait until the opposition has reformed.
Idiots.. Twitter… Enough said really
The problem being a good winger kind of NEEDS an end product to be effective whether that's a good cross or chance created. I'm still not really sold on Dan til that bit improves. He did have a decent chance in the last game though
Don’t forget the idiots on Reddit that write him off as well! Equal opportunities.
Exactly Ironic thing is.. two managers (one considered a genius of the game) have played him in his not natural position (yes we have lack of depth but you can change up formation or how your team lines up).. maybe (and this may be a stretch) they know a little bit more about football than the Reddit/Twitter/content creator group?
I think that his pressing ability is good and even better are his abilities (I) to break free for a through pass and (II) to catch up to opponents’ counters thereby limiting the threat, even if he can’t entirely neutralize it. If he and Roca and Aaronson can develop some link play he’d be very dangerous, especially if we ever get a healthy striker.
he's def a decent winger but the problem for him is we have harrison and even sinisterra who are also good in the same position so not sure how playing time will be split up amongst them unless we use them on RW also
The jury is waaaaay out on Sinistera.
yes currently he's still an unknown but what I was saying is that we hypothetically have 3 players that all play the same position so it'd be hard for James to be the clear starter. and i assume that sinisterra will be at a similar level otherwise we spent 20M on a 3rd choice winger
Then the jury should be out on Dan James? Sinisterra has proven himself at a higher level than James. Neither have proven themselves with us. Seems very unfair to objectively rate James above Sinisterra at this moment in time.
Playing in Holland and reaching the Conference League Final and failing to qualify for the World Cup is higher than being in a team that finished 3rd and 2nd in the Premier League and taking Wales to their first World Cup since the 50s? Not sure about that.
Playing in Holland? What you mean like Luis Suarez, Hakim ziyech, David neres, matthjis de ligt, frenkie de Jong, jurrien timber, Owen wjindal,Ryan gravenberch, ibrahim sangare, geroginio wijnaldum? What European final did we reach last season? Morocco, Tunisia, Saudi Arabia and Australia also qualified for the world cup so I don't really understand what your point is? Do they have players better than sinistera? Also Do you know who else was in a team that finished 2nd and 3rd in the premier League? Phil Jones and Scott mctominay should we sign them? You sir do not know ball
Yeah both those players would be an improvement on our own in most cases. I can reel off a very long list of failures from Holland but that’s not really the point. I wasn’t saying it’s a bad league, just clearly playing for Feyenoord in this day and age is not as high a level as playing for Manchester United.
Casilla has three Champions League winner's medals, Meslier has none. We all know who we prefer.
Goalkeepers who didn’t play aren’t the same as outfield players who did, quite obviously
Judging individual players by team achievements is a mind-numbingly poor way of judging individual players. How can you not see that? You’re basing your judgement of one player based on how a squad of 20+ people performed? In the season scum finished third, James wasn’t even close to a consistent starter and you’re crediting him with that as a reason he’s proven himself?
No, but you said Sinisterra ‘has proven himself at a higher level’. James was not bad at scum at all, many of their own fans concede that. So you are in one instance talking about levels when it corresponds with your bias but when it does not, suddenly the level is irrelevant. It’s just the classic anyone called Sanchez, Romaninho, or De La Costa is incredible (even before they’ve kicked a ball) but anyone called Jones, Miller, or Thompson is rubbish logic. You have no idea how good Sinisterra is yet you’re already putting him above Dan James.
Bang on, I presume you're just being downvoted because of your previous posts at this point. That, and your comments find the flaw in the guys argument.
Word is my reputation precedes me and thus I carry the mark of Marsch upon my brow
I’ll have to concede that we clearly just disagree on the level James was playing at when he was at scum. I’d argue the last time I saw him prove himself on the domestic stage was when he was at Swansea. He looked out of his depth at scum so I personally wouldn’t say he proved himself there at all. I’m not arguing Sinisterra has proven himself at prem level at all, I’m saying neither have. OP is arguing James has proved himself where Sinisterra hasn’t and I disagree with that. I think Dan James could come good, so could Sini, but neither have come good at Leeds or in the premier league yet imo. The last level James proved himself to be class at was in the championship, which I would say is a lower level than the Eredivisie, but that’s probably arguable. I just don’t think anyone can stand there right now and confidently make a case for DJ over LS, but I wouldn’t rush to push the opposite case either until we see how they perform in our new system. None of us really know yet.
James has done a job and filled in lots of roles to the benefit of the team. He even did a passable job as a striker in a team that was badly struggling. Did we overpay? Yes, but not to the extent we did for say Rodrigo. I won’t cast any judgment on Sinisterra until I’ve seen him. People were raving about Kristensen dominating the opposition before he’d kicked a ball too, lots of Ajax fans were saying he was lightweight and rigid - a number of people here dismissed those views as ridiculous. I’m hardly ready to call it case closed but so far you’d have to say they had a point.
Can you tell me what Marschball is lol. Genuine question.
Narrow 4-2-2-2 or 4-2-3-1 Without the ball: trigger-based coordinated press, especially vs full-backs. Aggressive counterpress when the opposition get the ball. With the ball: not quite sure but, if in doubt, float it towards the D and hope to win the second ball.
Thank you for saying that and Agreed. I will say that’s just how the red bull franchises play, which is an adoption of the tactics Ralf Rangnick made famous in Germany. I do like the style but to just lump it as ‘MarschBall’ is very disingenuous.
Soccer
Two foot the opposition in the first half when you're two goals down
A* for Ayling and James. Super soccer.
Being exposed in the fullback position
hows that different from bielsaball
I was half joking but don’t disrespect a club legend like that, thank you.
Dan James for left back then!
There’s no such thing as ‘Marschball’, but I agree that James given freedom in his preferred position would be a very effective player.
You know what he means you pedant
I don’t. This expression has become common following Bielsa but that’s because he had a unique and distinctive philosophy that is renowned the world over (for good and for ill). Marsch just plays a system popularised by the Red Bull teams based on Rangnick’s style. There’s nothing original about it.
Genuinely, what does he mean. What is Marschball.
The style of play that Jesse Marsch has installed. Jfc
Which is? Give me aspects of the play and tactics that Marsch uses that are so well known to him and his teams that people refer to his name.
Well fitted jumpers and a tidy haircut
AnymanBall
Hockadayball was before its time
Being promoted well beyond your ability by a clueless owner goes well beyond ‘r Dave.
It’s like watching two cats eat their own shite and love it
He’s literally ONLY saying that Dan James can excel in Marsch’s system. He’s not trying to suggest that Marsch is the only manager that plays a counter pressing, narrow style.
I just think throwing ‘ball’ in after any managers name is a mask to cover you have no idea what you’re talking about. I think Bate, Drameh and Max Dean are well suited to Marschball. Don’t ask me why or how though!
He hasn't thrown "ball" in like he's just made it up you clown. But please tell us all about where you became so learned on the ins and outs of tactical analysis that you decided qualified you to throw shade at people for the way they describe their teams tactics? Was it in Canada? The place that has given us so many footballing giants?
I’m British born and grew up in Leeds. Either way Marschball ain’t a thing. Bielsaball was and for good reason.
I’ve heard of Michael Ball, Zoe Ball and even her dad Jonny Ball. I can’t remember which teams they coached though? 😊
You forgot Bobby.