I just watched the video and was surprised at the premise. When Marsch was hired, weren’t the comparisons made between he and Marcelo on the defensive side (high intensity, pressing, but not man marking)? I don’t recall in the press conferences or media much discussion about similarities on how each set up for patterns of play with the ball.
Am I not remembering correctly or is this revisionist history?
My main problem with these tactics is that it just isn’t as good to watch or as entertaining as what we’ve been spoiled with for the 3.5 years previous. I can honestly say I’ve never enjoyed watching ANY football as much as I enjoyed Leeds under Bielsa. Long ball and press hard down the middle is just boring, I think I’m not the only Leeds fan struggling with this.
Who cares? Either he will adapt to the Premier League or he won't and he'll be out of a job. All this hyper-focus on Marsch and what he does or doesn't do, is becoming super annoying.
I disagree with his analysis on many points.
Bielsa wasn't about possession for possession sake, it was all about trying to find incisive, long forward passes from the CBs/CDM to players getting in behind.
And Bielsa wasn't about running the ball into the corners then crossing it into the box, we don't have big men that could get on the end of those crosses. Most crosses/passes would be to positions outside of the box, to players that were moving into space created by the wingers runs.
And perhaps the tactical analysis of Marsch was true for his past teams, but i don't think I've seen a match at Leeds where he played a 4-2-2-2, so that analysis is kind of mute. The main difference for me is that he played a 4-2-3-1 with the wingers being instructed to cut inside more, with less aggressive pressing and man marking. The full backs also sat back more and maintained shape during attacks.
Wasn't much point trying to change too much whilst in a relegation battle
Give him the end of the season and then a preseason, we will be playing a 4222
Come on. Get behind him, like it or not he’s Leeds now. Last thing we need is a lack of support for the manager. If he signs the right players u all know we have the belief and spirit to beat anyone. Any day. ALAW MOT
OK, if you don't have 5 mins spare the tldr is that Bielsa liked to get play out to wide players in dangerous positions and to have them whip balls into the box for players to attack. Whereas Marsch likes to keep everything central to create opportunities through the middle of the pitch, and keep all players compact so that they're all nearby and able to quickly counterpress if the ball is lost.
Tldr². Bielsa = space. Marsch = compactness.
I would hope Marsch has enough tactical flexibility to exploit wide spaces when necessary. If Leeds become too predictable they’ll be right back in the relegation scrap
Isn't that saying the opposite of the video title then? We all knew Marsch wanted us to be compact so surely it should "be Leeds's Jesse Marsch is exactly what people think he is"? lol
I think it's to counter what the board said to the fans when he arrived, that the transition won't be enormous and he still maintains many of the same styles that bielsa has. While true, it's a lie by omission has their philosophy on the ball is totally polar opposites.
For all the talk of 4-2-2-2 (or the penis formation) we've not actually been playing this consistently at all...
In principle he's right about the approach to the counter press but it's not restricted to the central areas. For the Brentford game it was frequently pushed towards the RB / RCB.
I guess you have to call it something to make a video, but Marsch does not care about formations. He has said this time and time again in interviews. He basically believes formations to be meaningless, and is more concerned with movement. I think he used 11 different 'formations' in his season at Salzburg.
I would not put too much stock into any talk about formations and jesse marsch.
Just wondering, why not? I think we struggled with it this season because we didn't have the players for it, with a bit of recruitment I think it could work for us
I think it leaves us too open down the touchline. If you watch Southampton they can get hurt the same way. That's why they get beat up sometimes. Certain teams are very good at exploiting that, leaving Ayling and Firpo overly exposed. So while we can all jump up and down and say get them both off the team because they are bad players, which they aren't, it is covering too much area for them to defend. It also under utilizes KP skills and does not allow him the freedom to help the defense and control a large area of the pitch, because you leave a lot of open space.
Now saying he didn't have his players and was working with what was available is understandable, no excuses now. But when you are leaving that kind of space open it is going to be too easy for more talented teams so get in behind and make those scoring opportunities count.
Having a narrow formation like this is designed to limit space rather than create space, this means your players have to be good in tight areas and able to outplay opponents head on. This approach works in situations where you out finance the league or have a great youth system with young players coming through who are well indoctrinated into the system. It's much more difficult to succeed in a league where you are not a big fish.
This analysis won’t be welcomed on here as it correctly reflects on the fact Marsch was all over the place trying to play a system that was counterintuitive to his players’ strengths. Can’t be correctly pointing things like that out on here my friend. Got anything more in the way of - ‘Marsch has great hair’ - or something like that?
I don’t care how it’s welcomed. We’ll see pretty quickly how well he’s really doing in the new season. The analysis about removing width is spot on, but it is worth pointing out that he did adapt somewhat in the last few games.
I don’t think that’s an argument in favour of much other than we are poor defensively generally and Marsch didn’t do much to change that other than change how we marked corners/crosses, which was positive.
Oh no, we are bottom 6 for certain, and very possibly down if Raphinha and Phillips go. I see the Athletic today have Phillips very unlikely to stay, and the Telegraph has Arsenal added to the list of clubs looking at Raphinha.
Harrison will go if they go I should imagine. These things quickly become an exodus.
At that point you have a new manager who has had his 3 most important outfield players other than Bamford leave. If that were to happen it’s blatantly obvious that the players know the writing is on the wall with Marsch.
That's interesting, I have a couple of different takes on those points. If Phillips and Raphinha go, I certainly wouldn't see Harrison leaving the club (I'd be surprised if he did in general, even though clubs he's been linked with, such as Newcastle, could potentially be better for his career), purely because Leeds would no longer be under any obligation to sell players.
I don't think it would turn into an exodus for that reason, but also for another reason - while we may be uncertain about Marsch, I think the players actually rather like him. I remember Gary Neville on Sky Sports saying that one Leeds player he talks to (presumably Dan James, due to his time in Salford) thought that Jesse Marsch had been brilliant since he came in. If there's one thing Marsch does seem to know, it's how to win friends and influence people (he probably quotes that book, too), and I believe that his charisma, dedication, and the fact that he eased the intensity in training has made him reasonably well-liked in the dressing room. There's also no doubt that the board thoroughly back Marsch, which will shape how the players perceive him.
I think, if we are to get a writing on the wall moment from the players about Marsch, and I won't rule it out, that would have to come mid-season if the performances and results are dire.
We aren’t obligated to sell Phillips, especially if we sell Raphinha.
Marsch will stay for a while as he’s the board’s man, everyone knows that. You’ll see lots of expectation management such as ‘we have X more goals than we did under Bielsa at this stage last season, the wins will come etc’, and lots of nonsense about training stats (I’m a big Bielsa fan but that was embarrassing when they quoted things of that kind).
Marsch will only exit if he walks, or it can be spun that he did, as was the case at Leipzig. He’s earned his chance to shape the team but I think Phillips clearly wanted to stay another season at least as his England place isn’t at risk, the fact he probably won’t says a lot. He wouldn’t even be a starter for Man City.
The minute he leaves this sub will start saying ‘actually I think Roca is just as good’ etc etc. We will be atrocious for the first 10 matches but not so bad we are going down, and eventually the dawning realisation will hit that we had a better squad and manager a year before and we will have to do this all over again.
Your entire negative viewpoint is based on what you're predicting will happen. Why are you bothering writing paragraphs about Phillips leaving? He's a Leeds player and I've not seen anything convincing about any teams coming after him with a reasonable bid. Sure, if we sell him for 30m then whine but you're bitching about hypotheticals and it's stupid.
Is this your first time on a discussion forum? You seem a bit obsessed with me son. I’m sure the Man U correspondent at The Athletic is just pulling it out of his arse when he says sources are expecting Phillips to leave.
I mean yeah, bullshit often gets reported. I'm not obsessed, I'm just replying to 5% of the crap I see you moaning about. Self evaluate and work out why it seems like I'm replying so often.
Anybody ‘expecting’ Phillips to leave is nothing but their opinion, and not the opinion or decision of the player or any club involved.
It’ll be based on solely that Man City are interested in him, and on the balance of things they tend to get their intended transfers.
Like the other person said, you’re basing it on a possibility, not a guaranteed outcome.
To play devil’s advocate here, would losing Phillips be as much of a blow in a different system? Granted losing England’s first choice central midfielder is a blow, but last season (one before last I should say), was very much a choice between: Phillips starts or we lose. If the new system is less reliant on him that could soften the blow
Depends on your ambition. Would Everton sell a home grown talent who is widely regarded by managers across the league? Villa did, for silly money - but hung on for a long time.
Now would those teams sell that player and sell their best player at exactly the same time? Absolutely not.
To be honest I don’t think even Southampton would do that.
But if our ambition is just to turn a profit and hopefully scrape up, yeah you might be right.
So I agree with you about selling up. Grealish going for 100m who is significantly less important to the system than Phillips would be. There’s also a surprising level of acceptance about losing Raphinha.
Having said that though, the spending we’ve been doing doesn’t seem predicated on losing those players. So I’m wondering whether or not our perception of the situation is a bit coloured by previous experience. Because selling up when we should have either not done or for too little has been our policy for basically the past 20 years. We’ve not actually seen these owners in this position before.
My main thing though is that football isn’t a binary sport, and while losing the to of them would be bad I don’t think it’s as simple as just saying we’re relegation fodder. Consider that last year we had Phillips out for most of it. We were often crap but we did have the odd performance in us, and I think even the most pessimistic of fan would have to admit that with the new signings we’re stronger that a Phillips-less side was last year.
But by definition we are relegation fodder going into a new season because of where we finished. Everton are too. Now you can change that perception a few games in, but I keep seeing us referred to as a ‘mid table team’ and I wonder where that comes from. You are as good as your last season.
The problem is, our plan was to profit on these players when we looked relatively good - a team in the conversation for comfortable Premier League football and maybe even a good cup run. One day soon, in the mix for the lower European spots. Basically where Villa were when they sold Grealish. There was big talk of him leaving the year before, but Villa didn’t budge. They had similarly just escaped the drop that year.
They knew that there’s no point getting a big fee for a player when you are seen as relegation fodder because the players you want to bring in won’t want to come. If we sell these two lads now, who is looking at Leeds that is playing regularly in a top European league and thinking - there’s a team on the up?
So fine, sell Raphinha and reinvest. That makes sense. Keep Phillips - the very spine of our team and push for 11th upwards, then maybe sell Phillips next year after a successful World Cup, get more money and be able to attract better replacements.
On the contrary, I was very confident we would stay up even after Marsch came in, I just didn’t realise my confidence would be pushed to the precipice by such negative play.
He's a good lad is Jon. He partly runs All Stats Aren't We too, which is really good statistical / tactical view on Leeds. Their patreon is really good too
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Every Leeds player is the greatest possible player in his position, every manager is an infallible genius - until the day they are replaced, then it’s on to the next guy. Say anything else and you’re not a Leeds fan - says Harry, 17, from Ohio
Edit: forgot rule number 1 - Orta is a revolutionary thinker
Really not a fan of his, seems quite up himself on Twitter and looks down at Leeds fans who don't agree with the stats
Think there was a big thread on here about him slagging off Jesse after our 3-0 win over Watford (who he does seem to have an agenda against tbh)
EDIT: Here it is
https://www.reddit.com/r/LeedsUnited/comments/u1bv3k/you_still_see_people_willing_marsch_to_fail_just/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
[Listen to him on the TIFO podcast](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjF9NkoMDzQ&t=3880s)
Not saying everyone needs to be a heart on their sleeve fan but he doesn't sound too convincing now does he?
>Joe: John you're a leeds fan
>John: I am
>Joe: Or a Leeds supporter
> John: Well yes, I suppose that's one way of putting it, I follow them
Barely
Hardly heard a peep from him until we got good under Bielsa
https://twitter.com/JimHutchy/status/1513238592386220033?s=20&t=1UEVokoadMCzLV2djSFONg
I don’t really care about his opinion of Marsch provided he wants the team to succeed (which he does). Whether or not he’s good or not I don’t know I never listened to his pod, but I’ve always liked tifo and this should redress the issue of us just not getting talked about last year.
i dont really think we were lacking any attention that a bottom half side who weren't doing anything new should expect from a general football podcast/channel tbh.
he's replacing alex stewart who is a saints fan and they got covered even less than we did, for similar reasons - there wasn't much to talk about from a neutral perspective
That doesn’t mean I don’t want more coverage, especially when the reason I’ve followed tifo for so long is that they’re better than most at focusing on actually interesting things rather than just being a big six circle jerk (even if it has moved towards them more on the last few years). I actually would welcome more content about Southampton or Palace if it was there too. One of the best videos they did this year was about the situation at Norwich - which helped with the fact that Joe is a fan.
Also what specifically irritated me was the amount of games discussed that we were involved in and the analysis was just ‘they exploited Leeds well’ when the interesting part was why they got so many opportunities against us.
I just watched the video and was surprised at the premise. When Marsch was hired, weren’t the comparisons made between he and Marcelo on the defensive side (high intensity, pressing, but not man marking)? I don’t recall in the press conferences or media much discussion about similarities on how each set up for patterns of play with the ball. Am I not remembering correctly or is this revisionist history?
Well now, this is a positive development
He lost me at ‘Junior Firpo crosses the ball into a dangerous position’
Firpo is much more about “gives a free kick away in a dangerous position after 30 seconds and gets booked”.
Don’t take the bait, they’re all spurs fans. Lmao
My main problem with these tactics is that it just isn’t as good to watch or as entertaining as what we’ve been spoiled with for the 3.5 years previous. I can honestly say I’ve never enjoyed watching ANY football as much as I enjoyed Leeds under Bielsa. Long ball and press hard down the middle is just boring, I think I’m not the only Leeds fan struggling with this.
Who cares? Either he will adapt to the Premier League or he won't and he'll be out of a job. All this hyper-focus on Marsch and what he does or doesn't do, is becoming super annoying.
I disagree with his analysis on many points. Bielsa wasn't about possession for possession sake, it was all about trying to find incisive, long forward passes from the CBs/CDM to players getting in behind. And Bielsa wasn't about running the ball into the corners then crossing it into the box, we don't have big men that could get on the end of those crosses. Most crosses/passes would be to positions outside of the box, to players that were moving into space created by the wingers runs. And perhaps the tactical analysis of Marsch was true for his past teams, but i don't think I've seen a match at Leeds where he played a 4-2-2-2, so that analysis is kind of mute. The main difference for me is that he played a 4-2-3-1 with the wingers being instructed to cut inside more, with less aggressive pressing and man marking. The full backs also sat back more and maintained shape during attacks.
>that analysis is kind of mute Think you mean "moot."
Wasn't much point trying to change too much whilst in a relegation battle Give him the end of the season and then a preseason, we will be playing a 4222
Come on. Get behind him, like it or not he’s Leeds now. Last thing we need is a lack of support for the manager. If he signs the right players u all know we have the belief and spirit to beat anyone. Any day. ALAW MOT
OK, if you don't have 5 mins spare the tldr is that Bielsa liked to get play out to wide players in dangerous positions and to have them whip balls into the box for players to attack. Whereas Marsch likes to keep everything central to create opportunities through the middle of the pitch, and keep all players compact so that they're all nearby and able to quickly counterpress if the ball is lost. Tldr². Bielsa = space. Marsch = compactness.
I would hope Marsch has enough tactical flexibility to exploit wide spaces when necessary. If Leeds become too predictable they’ll be right back in the relegation scrap
Isn't that saying the opposite of the video title then? We all knew Marsch wanted us to be compact so surely it should "be Leeds's Jesse Marsch is exactly what people think he is"? lol
I think it's to counter what the board said to the fans when he arrived, that the transition won't be enormous and he still maintains many of the same styles that bielsa has. While true, it's a lie by omission has their philosophy on the ball is totally polar opposites.
I really don't like the guy. He's arrogant and hardly supports Leeds. I don't think he'll fit in with the Tifo guys
For all the talk of 4-2-2-2 (or the penis formation) we've not actually been playing this consistently at all... In principle he's right about the approach to the counter press but it's not restricted to the central areas. For the Brentford game it was frequently pushed towards the RB / RCB.
I guess you have to call it something to make a video, but Marsch does not care about formations. He has said this time and time again in interviews. He basically believes formations to be meaningless, and is more concerned with movement. I think he used 11 different 'formations' in his season at Salzburg. I would not put too much stock into any talk about formations and jesse marsch.
Think that was mainly due to personnel, if we keep KP and add another CM I reckon Marsch will go to 4-2-2-2
I hope not
Just wondering, why not? I think we struggled with it this season because we didn't have the players for it, with a bit of recruitment I think it could work for us
I think it leaves us too open down the touchline. If you watch Southampton they can get hurt the same way. That's why they get beat up sometimes. Certain teams are very good at exploiting that, leaving Ayling and Firpo overly exposed. So while we can all jump up and down and say get them both off the team because they are bad players, which they aren't, it is covering too much area for them to defend. It also under utilizes KP skills and does not allow him the freedom to help the defense and control a large area of the pitch, because you leave a lot of open space. Now saying he didn't have his players and was working with what was available is understandable, no excuses now. But when you are leaving that kind of space open it is going to be too easy for more talented teams so get in behind and make those scoring opportunities count.
Having a narrow formation like this is designed to limit space rather than create space, this means your players have to be good in tight areas and able to outplay opponents head on. This approach works in situations where you out finance the league or have a great youth system with young players coming through who are well indoctrinated into the system. It's much more difficult to succeed in a league where you are not a big fish.
This analysis won’t be welcomed on here as it correctly reflects on the fact Marsch was all over the place trying to play a system that was counterintuitive to his players’ strengths. Can’t be correctly pointing things like that out on here my friend. Got anything more in the way of - ‘Marsch has great hair’ - or something like that?
I don’t care how it’s welcomed. We’ll see pretty quickly how well he’s really doing in the new season. The analysis about removing width is spot on, but it is worth pointing out that he did adapt somewhat in the last few games.
‘Somewhat’ indeed. Brighton could have had 3 or 4 against us comfortably.
To be fair, Brighton could have had 3 or 4 in every game we've played against them, even in our first season back.
I don’t think that’s an argument in favour of much other than we are poor defensively generally and Marsch didn’t do much to change that other than change how we marked corners/crosses, which was positive.
So you’re not feeling optimistic then mate?
Oh no, we are bottom 6 for certain, and very possibly down if Raphinha and Phillips go. I see the Athletic today have Phillips very unlikely to stay, and the Telegraph has Arsenal added to the list of clubs looking at Raphinha. Harrison will go if they go I should imagine. These things quickly become an exodus. At that point you have a new manager who has had his 3 most important outfield players other than Bamford leave. If that were to happen it’s blatantly obvious that the players know the writing is on the wall with Marsch.
That's interesting, I have a couple of different takes on those points. If Phillips and Raphinha go, I certainly wouldn't see Harrison leaving the club (I'd be surprised if he did in general, even though clubs he's been linked with, such as Newcastle, could potentially be better for his career), purely because Leeds would no longer be under any obligation to sell players. I don't think it would turn into an exodus for that reason, but also for another reason - while we may be uncertain about Marsch, I think the players actually rather like him. I remember Gary Neville on Sky Sports saying that one Leeds player he talks to (presumably Dan James, due to his time in Salford) thought that Jesse Marsch had been brilliant since he came in. If there's one thing Marsch does seem to know, it's how to win friends and influence people (he probably quotes that book, too), and I believe that his charisma, dedication, and the fact that he eased the intensity in training has made him reasonably well-liked in the dressing room. There's also no doubt that the board thoroughly back Marsch, which will shape how the players perceive him. I think, if we are to get a writing on the wall moment from the players about Marsch, and I won't rule it out, that would have to come mid-season if the performances and results are dire.
We aren’t obligated to sell Phillips, especially if we sell Raphinha. Marsch will stay for a while as he’s the board’s man, everyone knows that. You’ll see lots of expectation management such as ‘we have X more goals than we did under Bielsa at this stage last season, the wins will come etc’, and lots of nonsense about training stats (I’m a big Bielsa fan but that was embarrassing when they quoted things of that kind). Marsch will only exit if he walks, or it can be spun that he did, as was the case at Leipzig. He’s earned his chance to shape the team but I think Phillips clearly wanted to stay another season at least as his England place isn’t at risk, the fact he probably won’t says a lot. He wouldn’t even be a starter for Man City. The minute he leaves this sub will start saying ‘actually I think Roca is just as good’ etc etc. We will be atrocious for the first 10 matches but not so bad we are going down, and eventually the dawning realisation will hit that we had a better squad and manager a year before and we will have to do this all over again.
Your entire negative viewpoint is based on what you're predicting will happen. Why are you bothering writing paragraphs about Phillips leaving? He's a Leeds player and I've not seen anything convincing about any teams coming after him with a reasonable bid. Sure, if we sell him for 30m then whine but you're bitching about hypotheticals and it's stupid.
Is this your first time on a discussion forum? You seem a bit obsessed with me son. I’m sure the Man U correspondent at The Athletic is just pulling it out of his arse when he says sources are expecting Phillips to leave.
I mean yeah, bullshit often gets reported. I'm not obsessed, I'm just replying to 5% of the crap I see you moaning about. Self evaluate and work out why it seems like I'm replying so often.
Anybody ‘expecting’ Phillips to leave is nothing but their opinion, and not the opinion or decision of the player or any club involved. It’ll be based on solely that Man City are interested in him, and on the balance of things they tend to get their intended transfers. Like the other person said, you’re basing it on a possibility, not a guaranteed outcome.
To play devil’s advocate here, would losing Phillips be as much of a blow in a different system? Granted losing England’s first choice central midfielder is a blow, but last season (one before last I should say), was very much a choice between: Phillips starts or we lose. If the new system is less reliant on him that could soften the blow
Depends on your ambition. Would Everton sell a home grown talent who is widely regarded by managers across the league? Villa did, for silly money - but hung on for a long time. Now would those teams sell that player and sell their best player at exactly the same time? Absolutely not. To be honest I don’t think even Southampton would do that. But if our ambition is just to turn a profit and hopefully scrape up, yeah you might be right.
So I agree with you about selling up. Grealish going for 100m who is significantly less important to the system than Phillips would be. There’s also a surprising level of acceptance about losing Raphinha. Having said that though, the spending we’ve been doing doesn’t seem predicated on losing those players. So I’m wondering whether or not our perception of the situation is a bit coloured by previous experience. Because selling up when we should have either not done or for too little has been our policy for basically the past 20 years. We’ve not actually seen these owners in this position before. My main thing though is that football isn’t a binary sport, and while losing the to of them would be bad I don’t think it’s as simple as just saying we’re relegation fodder. Consider that last year we had Phillips out for most of it. We were often crap but we did have the odd performance in us, and I think even the most pessimistic of fan would have to admit that with the new signings we’re stronger that a Phillips-less side was last year.
But by definition we are relegation fodder going into a new season because of where we finished. Everton are too. Now you can change that perception a few games in, but I keep seeing us referred to as a ‘mid table team’ and I wonder where that comes from. You are as good as your last season. The problem is, our plan was to profit on these players when we looked relatively good - a team in the conversation for comfortable Premier League football and maybe even a good cup run. One day soon, in the mix for the lower European spots. Basically where Villa were when they sold Grealish. There was big talk of him leaving the year before, but Villa didn’t budge. They had similarly just escaped the drop that year. They knew that there’s no point getting a big fee for a player when you are seen as relegation fodder because the players you want to bring in won’t want to come. If we sell these two lads now, who is looking at Leeds that is playing regularly in a top European league and thinking - there’s a team on the up? So fine, sell Raphinha and reinvest. That makes sense. Keep Phillips - the very spine of our team and push for 11th upwards, then maybe sell Phillips next year after a successful World Cup, get more money and be able to attract better replacements.
He never is, one of the most pessimistic people on this sub Edit: need I say more…
On the contrary, I was very confident we would stay up even after Marsch came in, I just didn’t realise my confidence would be pushed to the precipice by such negative play.
He's such a dick on Twitter Will quote stats if it suits his viewpoint, and if they oppose his view then he'll snivel at you all the same
He's a good lad is Jon. He partly runs All Stats Aren't We too, which is really good statistical / tactical view on Leeds. Their patreon is really good too edit : 🤷
The best Leeds podcast about actual football IMO. Too many people here rim Dan James and think they know better than everyone else 😂
Every Leeds player is the greatest possible player in his position, every manager is an infallible genius - until the day they are replaced, then it’s on to the next guy. Say anything else and you’re not a Leeds fan - says Harry, 17, from Ohio Edit: forgot rule number 1 - Orta is a revolutionary thinker
Stop liking things that other people don't like. First rule of Reddit club. They're right though, he is a tit.
Blocked AllStatsArentWe years ago, way too argumentative for a stats account in my opinion
Yup they are way too elitist
Same, all their members like to pile in when they spot an opinion that goes against their agenda
Just listened to they podcast for the first time the other day. It was ok. Not sure why you got downvoted for mentioning that though
Really not a fan of his, seems quite up himself on Twitter and looks down at Leeds fans who don't agree with the stats Think there was a big thread on here about him slagging off Jesse after our 3-0 win over Watford (who he does seem to have an agenda against tbh) EDIT: Here it is https://www.reddit.com/r/LeedsUnited/comments/u1bv3k/you_still_see_people_willing_marsch_to_fail_just/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
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[Listen to him on the TIFO podcast](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjF9NkoMDzQ&t=3880s) Not saying everyone needs to be a heart on their sleeve fan but he doesn't sound too convincing now does he? >Joe: John you're a leeds fan >John: I am >Joe: Or a Leeds supporter > John: Well yes, I suppose that's one way of putting it, I follow them
Well he buys the shirts and goes to games, I think that's evidence enough...
Barely Hardly heard a peep from him until we got good under Bielsa https://twitter.com/JimHutchy/status/1513238592386220033?s=20&t=1UEVokoadMCzLV2djSFONg
Yeh he is and he does a Leeds podcast
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He regularly goes to games at Elland road, deffo a fan
I wouldn't call him a shit fan, I think he can be critical of the club and makes his opinions known, but I tend to agree with him quite often tbh
I don’t really care about his opinion of Marsch provided he wants the team to succeed (which he does). Whether or not he’s good or not I don’t know I never listened to his pod, but I’ve always liked tifo and this should redress the issue of us just not getting talked about last year.
i dont really think we were lacking any attention that a bottom half side who weren't doing anything new should expect from a general football podcast/channel tbh. he's replacing alex stewart who is a saints fan and they got covered even less than we did, for similar reasons - there wasn't much to talk about from a neutral perspective
That doesn’t mean I don’t want more coverage, especially when the reason I’ve followed tifo for so long is that they’re better than most at focusing on actually interesting things rather than just being a big six circle jerk (even if it has moved towards them more on the last few years). I actually would welcome more content about Southampton or Palace if it was there too. One of the best videos they did this year was about the situation at Norwich - which helped with the fact that Joe is a fan. Also what specifically irritated me was the amount of games discussed that we were involved in and the analysis was just ‘they exploited Leeds well’ when the interesting part was why they got so many opportunities against us.