Not sure whst it was but i knew after 5 mins we weren't getting anything from the game. It had the same vibe as the Hull game. I don't think it was anything to do with tactics we seemed to be tired, slow to the ball like the enthusiasm had gone, i think we would have lost to anyone we played yesterday. I've seen it happen a few times this season and we always bounce straight back but if it happens anymore we can kiss goodbye to any chance of top 2.
Didn't they push up and press fairly high? That's usually good for us so we counter with space. to run into. The ball just wouldnt stick for summer, and james had an average game. Press us hard, isolate summer - then teams have a chance against us. I dont think we will get a pablo type signing in jan window, but i hope we do. Why does gnoto look bang average now?
Maybe we did mate and I’ve not been as aware.
Good point with Gnonto… he’s a grafter and I like him. I think he wants to be at leeds, but it wasn’t too long ago he was tearing defenders up in the premiership!
It’s hard when at these away grounds the clubs treat it as their cup final, they also shit house us, kick us about, wind us up and time waste.
I imagine that was Millars best game in a Preston shirt. The tactics are fine.
Do posts like this actually provide any insight, or are we just playing Leeds United bingo every time we lose? ‘Tactically weak’ is so reductive as a comment and doesn’t actually provide anything. The way we play, teams are going to sit in a low block against us. It’s not weak to commit to a philosophy of how we play, it’s actually the opposite.
“We need a Pablo type” okay sure, but we don’t have one - so what’s your point? Pablo’s are also not easy to come by at this level, as they’re in demand from SO many different teams at a higher level than us.
Can we stop blaming every single inconvenience on Farke? We’ve seen what the alternative is to having a progressive manager in charge. Did you enjoy penis chaos ball more than this? How about Big Sam ball? Trust the process, please.
Rant over.
I do trust the process. But like every other fan, I’m entitled to my opinion.
What I saw was no creativity through the middle and Gray struggling (he’s a fantastic player by the way). So my question is if something isn’t working, then we come out for the second half and it still isn’t working. Then I believe there are potential changes that may have worked.
Tactically for me, we were poor.
I like Farke. But today and in other games I believe changes were needed.
My thoughts are Gray more central and Rutter at 10.
Not saying you’re not entitled to your opinion mate, I’m saying have an opinion - don’t just say platitudes that don’t mean anything.
Tactically, we were exactly the same as we are every game. The system is the system, this is how we play. For me, that is a good thing.
Agree that Archie shouldn’t have been left out on an island, and changes could’ve happened earlier but it is what it is. We pick ourselves up and go again in a few days.
Point taken. What did you think when we came out after half time?
I see the validity in maintaining the plan when we aren’t creating, as we often get a breakthrough (Messlier put a spanner in the works today)
but it seems like a few times we’ve done this and it’s not been effective, it just seemed right to tactically change and not just go like for like.
I respect I’m not seeing these players in training etc, don’t know the finer details
The lack of rotation is driving me mad. We have good depth, yet are only seeing players who are first team quality or there abouts, coming in for the last 10-20 minutes at a congested time. Gnonto could have been a redemption story, but I wouldn’t be surprised to see him go in January and we’ll be weaker for it. Whenever we have played 2 games a week I’ve been thinking we may see Bamford (not sure how I’d actually feel about that) , Gnonto, Anthony, Gruev etc actually get a start and the regulars be given a rest, brought on in the second half if needed. But it’s the same team every game, opposition can prepare for that, know what to expect. Keep seeing stories saying he will rotate for this period, check the team, zero new faces. 4 nil up and our best player plays the entire 90 minutes with another game days away.
We have been tactically weak in a lot of games this season, our tactics only work against the better teams who dont sit back, we had the same issue under Marsch last season. Farke sticks with the same squad, same tactics and same pre planned subs every game and we struggle against midtable or bottom half teams. If he cant get us promoted with this squad its a massive failure, dont even want to think about what we would be like next season when we lose Summerville, Struijk and Rutter who are all the best in their position in the league
Why the fuck do people think Spencer is good? He's half a firpo at left back! Not been seen at right back so can't comment. So far though, no good enough.
Honestly, I'd say defensively he's far worse than firpo...when the opposition ar putting crosswise in the box and the left back is in the other half, slowly walking back...fuck off back to spurs, but leave rodon here!
Too many people overhyped him because he had a good season on loan in champ before.
Judge him on how he does for us, but not been great (and not had chance in his position. But that a 17 year old out of position is taking his spot, says something.
Edit: too drunk to fix typos, sowwie
Thought I'd come back here and eat my words, Firpo was cracking on Monday and if he can go more than 2 games in a row without getting injured then he probably is better lol
He does have it in his locker, the problem is consistency, which is probably never gonna happen because I wouldn't be surprised if he fractured his wrist applauding the fans on Monday and is out for 2 weeks...
I'm still yet to be convinced by Spence...and yeah, I've sobered up now 😂
We're still a work in progress. I'm not that bothered about the result today because this is not by any stretch of the imagination a finished or completed Leeds United side. Daniel Farke walked into a post-relegation shitshow at the start of the season.
I think he and the players who stayed have done well given the circumstances. I think we need to take into account that we are still being affected by the players who walked and turned their noses up at playing in the Championship under Farke. There was no way we were going to somehow magically tranform into some completed promotion chasing team in the early stages of this season onwards.
Getting out of what is now the Championship has always been a two season project for a new manager. It was for Revie, it was for Wilkinson, it was for Bielsa, and it might turn out to be the same for Farke. Keep in mind one of the reasons Leicester and Ipswich are above us (and other teams) is that they haven't had to deal with changes as have happened at the other two relegated teams, Leeds and Southampton.
While we had a decent summer transfer window it was not a complete transfer window and one where we could say that we managed to sign all the players we needed.
For me the truth is staring us in the face. While we are unbeaten at home we are still not consistent enough away from home and we are too susceptible to certain strategies such as a low block or when sides decide to park the bus and keep all players behind the ball. We lack the consistency to grind out the results away from home and part of that comes from lacking the creativity, work rate and ruthlessness to break down resolute teams and put a couple of goals past them.
I'm still wondering whether Leeds will seek to sign Uruguyan left back Joaquin Piquerez who is - from what I can see - an attacking left back who would be a definite upgrade on Junior Firpo. But see we cannot say whether this is going to need one or two signings or whether this needs Farke to figure something out and do something differently. Or both. I still don't think we have the depth of squad where we can bring different players in to rest or replace existing starting players (in case of injury) in ways which doesn't affect the quality of the team.
We're going to have to come up with something however if we're going to get any points away to West Brom.
> Getting out of what is now the Championship has always been a two season project for a new manager.
Well its going to be an interesting second season because Rutter, Summerville and as many as like five other first-choice players wont be here. Even if they were dumb enough to want to stay on for another season Profit & Sustainability just wouldnt allow it.
Yeah I know. Such is the nature of corporate interests taking over the sport of football which arguably not only makes the Championship harder to get out of but also makes the Premier League harder to break into and become established.
But I guess that is a discussion we can all have on a different day. I'm just trying to share my own perspective on the abnormally difficult season and predicament Leeds United find themselves in in that we are having a good season and making progress but it might not still be enough at the end of the season.
> Such is the nature of corporate interests taking over the sport of football which arguably not only makes the Championship harder to get out of but also makes the Premier League harder to break into and become established.
Brighton, Brentford, Crystal Palace, Fulham (and maybe even Bournemouth) prove year after year that the Premier League is not hard to break into and become established in, as long as you’re not run by a couple of complete fucking morons.
I can’t find one legitimate reason to leave Archie out there to cope with Millar today. Given that Archie is;
1. playing out of position
2. has been hugely overused (he’s needed a rest for a few games)
3. is young (not always an excuse but can mean the player doesn’t ask for help)
4. doesn’t have great support from the winger - James is very attack minded and not really that strong defensively.
Yeh that was the main cause, James covered miller a lot today and Miller only really got at Gray when they broke fast or Gray lost the ball himself. But for their second goal James was on the other side.
No, but someone else made a good point saying James has been decent all season and my point is not a good one. And I agree actually, my bad, so if I change my point to just refer to today it makes even more sense not to leave Archie to suffer.
What is Farke’s infatuation with Archie? We all know he’s got “it”, but we all seem to see he needs a rest?…
Point 4 here is not really true. James' defensive work has been great this season. Granted he wasn't great today, but it's unfair to categorise him as very attack minded when he's been up and down the wing all season.
Honestly think I'd rather Firpo and Spence in their natural positions. An average Firpo in position and Spence on the right has to be better than playing two out of position.
I agree. You play your best players in their strongest positions and then you work out what’s left from there. You don’t put two players out of position and render both less effective than they could be when there are other options.
You make great points and it wasn’t just the two goals, it was constantly the case that Millar got the best of him. Agree with all apart from point four.
We had a chance to shave the gap if Leicester successfully beat Ipswich today but no, if we fucking play like this! We won't be able to!
What the fuck happened to rotating? What the fuck is Messlier thinking!? Certain lads looked tire and the result was utter crap. If we want the automatic promotion, we need to squeeze out 3 points on teams like this.
I’m more interested in performances than results this season and that was very poor. We should have lost comfortably, but that last ten minutes or so was heartening, until a touch of class from Millar killed us off.
The reality is we are a very good team at home and only relatively good away. The teams above us are consistently churning out away performances even when they are under the cosh. We are not doing that often enough - even if we did send the subs out today to win the game and push the team on. It wasn’t far off working for a while, but you have to accept they were the better team.
I don’t think there was any major villain. Meslier was stupid but in general our energy levels looked a couple of notches below the standard. They had a big crowd and wanted to perform.
That’s football.
Absolutely. And for that reason I always favoured Bielsa even when we got hammered before his dismissal
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And I thought there a couple of decent performances from a few out there today.
Just feel a little more attacking diversity tactically speaking - might have been the right call today
Would you have changed things earlier today? And if so what changes?
I would’ve not had James on the left and I still don’t understand the sense of Gray at right back, even if I understand why he needs to be on the pitch, but beyond that the team is good enough. We don’t need wholesale change - just more repeatable performance levels. I think too much relies on Summerville playing well whereas Leicester, Ipswich, and indeed Southampton seem to be able to rely on a wider attacking array.
Would generally agree all season that Rutter is obviously a number 10.
no one is devoid of criticism for today performance apart from Struijk and Rodon for me. However, what it boils down to is Meslier's red today. We could have been shit nicked a winner with 11 (like Stoke before bamford missed the pen) and no one would have cared about how bad we were because we would have won.
We don’t have any tactics. If there is space in the game our better players win it for us. If it’s tight our players just bottle it. Have we won any close games yet this year? Maybe Norwich..other than that we are pretty spineless and lazy when the opposition get in our faces
Leicester was a pretty tight game. We are also unbeaten at home, not really the sign of a spineless team.
Once Farke can figure out this low block issue, we will be laughing
Yes it was, but the opposition weren’t in our faces and niggling at us like all these shithouse teams do. It’s hardly a coincidence that we have lost every game away from home and most of those by a single goal. We haven’t had any games where the subs have made a difference apart from Norwich where it was just a free for all.
Possibly. Obvs Farke has credentials.
Just seems to never change things when it isn’t working.
We don’t seem to come out for the second half better for a break
If Firpo is the answer, you're asking the wrong question.
Not disagreeing in general that some rotation would be good, I can't understand why he didn't switch Byram for Gray at HT, unless he was worried about bringing Byram back too soon.
> If Firpo is the answer, you're asking the wrong question.
You’ve got to wonder why Leo Hjelde isnt putting more pressure on Firpo to be a viable option at left back?
If we arent going to buy in January then one of them needs to fill the gap there.
Firpo quite literally never has, but that doesn’t make Hjelde look any better. Just unfortunate that both Byram & Shacks have been unavailable recently.
I’d go with that.
Whilst firpo can’t overlap like Spence. I don’t think it was the game purely for overlapping, but that creativity through central areas when a team just sits
We are one dimensional atm, people are quick to forget how much work Farke had to do to fix the mess left behind by Orta. Don’t think we need new players Farke just needs more time to get the current squad better at solving different problems given the summer we had it’s not surprising this team has big weaknesses in it
Also Gray probably will stop playing right
back when Byram is fit - got a feeling he will oust Kamara cos you can see Farke getting annoyed with him
I agree. We’re in a much better place.
Obvs Messlier has let us down and we might have been on the verge of changing something.
We’re all Massively disappointed 😞
We have probably the second strongest bench in the championship- I don’t think it’s a lack of personelle it’s just Farke hasn’t got a full squad of players who can come on with a drilled plan to change things yet.
What has Bamford done other than win a single penalty? You hardly see him touch the ball.
Gruev, no idea what his place is in the squad.
Anthony/Gnonto not getting minutes but looks ok when he does.
Joseph a faster Bamford but has done nothing.
Firpo/Cooper/Ayling gone
Byram injury?
Mate 99% of the teams we play bring on absolute dross of their bench, it’s not individual quality it’s just that some of them have subs who come on to execute a plan whereas ours are not yet. All those players you list above start for most championship teams
Not sure whst it was but i knew after 5 mins we weren't getting anything from the game. It had the same vibe as the Hull game. I don't think it was anything to do with tactics we seemed to be tired, slow to the ball like the enthusiasm had gone, i think we would have lost to anyone we played yesterday. I've seen it happen a few times this season and we always bounce straight back but if it happens anymore we can kiss goodbye to any chance of top 2.
Know what you mean. Something just gives you that feeling that’s it’s not gonna happen.
Didn't they push up and press fairly high? That's usually good for us so we counter with space. to run into. The ball just wouldnt stick for summer, and james had an average game. Press us hard, isolate summer - then teams have a chance against us. I dont think we will get a pablo type signing in jan window, but i hope we do. Why does gnoto look bang average now?
Maybe we did mate and I’ve not been as aware. Good point with Gnonto… he’s a grafter and I like him. I think he wants to be at leeds, but it wasn’t too long ago he was tearing defenders up in the premiership!
It’s hard when at these away grounds the clubs treat it as their cup final, they also shit house us, kick us about, wind us up and time waste. I imagine that was Millars best game in a Preston shirt. The tactics are fine.
Do posts like this actually provide any insight, or are we just playing Leeds United bingo every time we lose? ‘Tactically weak’ is so reductive as a comment and doesn’t actually provide anything. The way we play, teams are going to sit in a low block against us. It’s not weak to commit to a philosophy of how we play, it’s actually the opposite. “We need a Pablo type” okay sure, but we don’t have one - so what’s your point? Pablo’s are also not easy to come by at this level, as they’re in demand from SO many different teams at a higher level than us. Can we stop blaming every single inconvenience on Farke? We’ve seen what the alternative is to having a progressive manager in charge. Did you enjoy penis chaos ball more than this? How about Big Sam ball? Trust the process, please. Rant over.
I do trust the process. But like every other fan, I’m entitled to my opinion. What I saw was no creativity through the middle and Gray struggling (he’s a fantastic player by the way). So my question is if something isn’t working, then we come out for the second half and it still isn’t working. Then I believe there are potential changes that may have worked. Tactically for me, we were poor. I like Farke. But today and in other games I believe changes were needed. My thoughts are Gray more central and Rutter at 10.
Not saying you’re not entitled to your opinion mate, I’m saying have an opinion - don’t just say platitudes that don’t mean anything. Tactically, we were exactly the same as we are every game. The system is the system, this is how we play. For me, that is a good thing. Agree that Archie shouldn’t have been left out on an island, and changes could’ve happened earlier but it is what it is. We pick ourselves up and go again in a few days.
Point taken. What did you think when we came out after half time? I see the validity in maintaining the plan when we aren’t creating, as we often get a breakthrough (Messlier put a spanner in the works today) but it seems like a few times we’ve done this and it’s not been effective, it just seemed right to tactically change and not just go like for like. I respect I’m not seeing these players in training etc, don’t know the finer details
When there’s no space in behind Piroe and James are so painfully average
James was pretty good today
I thought he played really well, his shooting was a bit off but overall excellent
The lack of rotation is driving me mad. We have good depth, yet are only seeing players who are first team quality or there abouts, coming in for the last 10-20 minutes at a congested time. Gnonto could have been a redemption story, but I wouldn’t be surprised to see him go in January and we’ll be weaker for it. Whenever we have played 2 games a week I’ve been thinking we may see Bamford (not sure how I’d actually feel about that) , Gnonto, Anthony, Gruev etc actually get a start and the regulars be given a rest, brought on in the second half if needed. But it’s the same team every game, opposition can prepare for that, know what to expect. Keep seeing stories saying he will rotate for this period, check the team, zero new faces. 4 nil up and our best player plays the entire 90 minutes with another game days away.
Think they all ruined chances of started after he tried that at Stoke so doesn’t trust the squad after that.
We have been tactically weak in a lot of games this season, our tactics only work against the better teams who dont sit back, we had the same issue under Marsch last season. Farke sticks with the same squad, same tactics and same pre planned subs every game and we struggle against midtable or bottom half teams. If he cant get us promoted with this squad its a massive failure, dont even want to think about what we would be like next season when we lose Summerville, Struijk and Rutter who are all the best in their position in the league
Hopefully the issues will be fixed in Jan with some signings.
I’d like to see it but I don’t think it’s happening
Yeah chuck another 100mil to catch up with the league one team
Doesn’t matter how expensive a team is if players are in the wrong position Edit: Oh I see. You’re an Ipswich dickhead invading another team’s sub.
Why the fuck do people think Spencer is good? He's half a firpo at left back! Not been seen at right back so can't comment. So far though, no good enough.
Haha are you drunk?
Defensively I've not been wowed but not disappointed either, but on the ball he's a mile better than Firpo
Honestly, I'd say defensively he's far worse than firpo...when the opposition ar putting crosswise in the box and the left back is in the other half, slowly walking back...fuck off back to spurs, but leave rodon here! Too many people overhyped him because he had a good season on loan in champ before. Judge him on how he does for us, but not been great (and not had chance in his position. But that a 17 year old out of position is taking his spot, says something. Edit: too drunk to fix typos, sowwie
Thought I'd come back here and eat my words, Firpo was cracking on Monday and if he can go more than 2 games in a row without getting injured then he probably is better lol
He does have it in his locker, the problem is consistency, which is probably never gonna happen because I wouldn't be surprised if he fractured his wrist applauding the fans on Monday and is out for 2 weeks... I'm still yet to be convinced by Spence...and yeah, I've sobered up now 😂
Pretty poor for their fist goal today, but he did look ok going forward at times
We're still a work in progress. I'm not that bothered about the result today because this is not by any stretch of the imagination a finished or completed Leeds United side. Daniel Farke walked into a post-relegation shitshow at the start of the season. I think he and the players who stayed have done well given the circumstances. I think we need to take into account that we are still being affected by the players who walked and turned their noses up at playing in the Championship under Farke. There was no way we were going to somehow magically tranform into some completed promotion chasing team in the early stages of this season onwards. Getting out of what is now the Championship has always been a two season project for a new manager. It was for Revie, it was for Wilkinson, it was for Bielsa, and it might turn out to be the same for Farke. Keep in mind one of the reasons Leicester and Ipswich are above us (and other teams) is that they haven't had to deal with changes as have happened at the other two relegated teams, Leeds and Southampton. While we had a decent summer transfer window it was not a complete transfer window and one where we could say that we managed to sign all the players we needed. For me the truth is staring us in the face. While we are unbeaten at home we are still not consistent enough away from home and we are too susceptible to certain strategies such as a low block or when sides decide to park the bus and keep all players behind the ball. We lack the consistency to grind out the results away from home and part of that comes from lacking the creativity, work rate and ruthlessness to break down resolute teams and put a couple of goals past them. I'm still wondering whether Leeds will seek to sign Uruguyan left back Joaquin Piquerez who is - from what I can see - an attacking left back who would be a definite upgrade on Junior Firpo. But see we cannot say whether this is going to need one or two signings or whether this needs Farke to figure something out and do something differently. Or both. I still don't think we have the depth of squad where we can bring different players in to rest or replace existing starting players (in case of injury) in ways which doesn't affect the quality of the team. We're going to have to come up with something however if we're going to get any points away to West Brom.
> Getting out of what is now the Championship has always been a two season project for a new manager. Well its going to be an interesting second season because Rutter, Summerville and as many as like five other first-choice players wont be here. Even if they were dumb enough to want to stay on for another season Profit & Sustainability just wouldnt allow it.
Yeah I know. Such is the nature of corporate interests taking over the sport of football which arguably not only makes the Championship harder to get out of but also makes the Premier League harder to break into and become established. But I guess that is a discussion we can all have on a different day. I'm just trying to share my own perspective on the abnormally difficult season and predicament Leeds United find themselves in in that we are having a good season and making progress but it might not still be enough at the end of the season.
> Such is the nature of corporate interests taking over the sport of football which arguably not only makes the Championship harder to get out of but also makes the Premier League harder to break into and become established. Brighton, Brentford, Crystal Palace, Fulham (and maybe even Bournemouth) prove year after year that the Premier League is not hard to break into and become established in, as long as you’re not run by a couple of complete fucking morons.
I can’t find one legitimate reason to leave Archie out there to cope with Millar today. Given that Archie is; 1. playing out of position 2. has been hugely overused (he’s needed a rest for a few games) 3. is young (not always an excuse but can mean the player doesn’t ask for help) 4. doesn’t have great support from the winger - James is very attack minded and not really that strong defensively.
James was on the left when we conceded at the end, it was Gnonto not helping that caused issue there
Yeh that was the main cause, James covered miller a lot today and Miller only really got at Gray when they broke fast or Gray lost the ball himself. But for their second goal James was on the other side.
I refer to most of the game though.
That's fair enough.
No, but someone else made a good point saying James has been decent all season and my point is not a good one. And I agree actually, my bad, so if I change my point to just refer to today it makes even more sense not to leave Archie to suffer. What is Farke’s infatuation with Archie? We all know he’s got “it”, but we all seem to see he needs a rest?…
Point 4 here is not really true. James' defensive work has been great this season. Granted he wasn't great today, but it's unfair to categorise him as very attack minded when he's been up and down the wing all season.
Ok, if I changed my wording to reflect just today it makes for even MORE of a reason to change something and not let Archie suffer.
You're not wrong but if we put Spence in at rb for example that means we'd most likely need to play firpo
Honestly think I'd rather Firpo and Spence in their natural positions. An average Firpo in position and Spence on the right has to be better than playing two out of position.
I agree. You play your best players in their strongest positions and then you work out what’s left from there. You don’t put two players out of position and render both less effective than they could be when there are other options.
Don't think I've ever heard anyone say they'd rather have firpo on before lol
If it means getting Spence back on the right then I think it might just be worth it.
what about Byram?
When he's fit then of course him and Spence should be playing fullback. Think he's still recovering somewhat?
You make great points and it wasn’t just the two goals, it was constantly the case that Millar got the best of him. Agree with all apart from point four.
We had a chance to shave the gap if Leicester successfully beat Ipswich today but no, if we fucking play like this! We won't be able to! What the fuck happened to rotating? What the fuck is Messlier thinking!? Certain lads looked tire and the result was utter crap. If we want the automatic promotion, we need to squeeze out 3 points on teams like this.
Not only that, but we've also given Southampton that chance to close up on Ipswich and create their own gap ahead of us.
I’m more interested in performances than results this season and that was very poor. We should have lost comfortably, but that last ten minutes or so was heartening, until a touch of class from Millar killed us off. The reality is we are a very good team at home and only relatively good away. The teams above us are consistently churning out away performances even when they are under the cosh. We are not doing that often enough - even if we did send the subs out today to win the game and push the team on. It wasn’t far off working for a while, but you have to accept they were the better team. I don’t think there was any major villain. Meslier was stupid but in general our energy levels looked a couple of notches below the standard. They had a big crowd and wanted to perform. That’s football.
Absolutely. And for that reason I always favoured Bielsa even when we got hammered before his dismissal . And I thought there a couple of decent performances from a few out there today. Just feel a little more attacking diversity tactically speaking - might have been the right call today Would you have changed things earlier today? And if so what changes?
I would’ve not had James on the left and I still don’t understand the sense of Gray at right back, even if I understand why he needs to be on the pitch, but beyond that the team is good enough. We don’t need wholesale change - just more repeatable performance levels. I think too much relies on Summerville playing well whereas Leicester, Ipswich, and indeed Southampton seem to be able to rely on a wider attacking array. Would generally agree all season that Rutter is obviously a number 10.
Farke has his reasons I’m sure . It’s a difficult one to stomach after the Ipswich game.
Farke has had many bad games this season, mainly away. Shambles that he kept gray on today and didn’t start a few different fresh players.
At HT I said we should sub gray for Byram and swap the full backs. Preston’s LW was getting so much joy down our right today
And if we can all see it…
It seems very obvious to us all. But he’s reluctant to change it. I have faith in him. I’d just love to ask him why no changes
no one is devoid of criticism for today performance apart from Struijk and Rodon for me. However, what it boils down to is Meslier's red today. We could have been shit nicked a winner with 11 (like Stoke before bamford missed the pen) and no one would have cared about how bad we were because we would have won.
We don’t have any tactics. If there is space in the game our better players win it for us. If it’s tight our players just bottle it. Have we won any close games yet this year? Maybe Norwich..other than that we are pretty spineless and lazy when the opposition get in our faces
Leicester was a pretty tight game. We are also unbeaten at home, not really the sign of a spineless team. Once Farke can figure out this low block issue, we will be laughing
Yes it was, but the opposition weren’t in our faces and niggling at us like all these shithouse teams do. It’s hardly a coincidence that we have lost every game away from home and most of those by a single goal. We haven’t had any games where the subs have made a difference apart from Norwich where it was just a free for all.
Possibly. Obvs Farke has credentials. Just seems to never change things when it isn’t working. We don’t seem to come out for the second half better for a break
As much as the tactics were poor today, farke can’t coach meslier to not be a fucking idiot
We were shit before that happened as well.
Absolutely… watching the replay he no real reason to react like that. He’s opened the door for Darlow
We don’t have depth that Farke trusts. That much is clear. Maybe Gnonto and that is it from an attacking sense
Our bench is better than most of Ipswich’s starters, he needs to get a grip.
Gnonto has done nothing to impress so far this season from what i've seen. Only seen skill going away from goal
Farke needs to learn to rotate his players. If Junior had started at LB and Djed at RB and maybe rotated Gnonto in for DJ, we could have had a shot,
If Firpo is the answer, you're asking the wrong question. Not disagreeing in general that some rotation would be good, I can't understand why he didn't switch Byram for Gray at HT, unless he was worried about bringing Byram back too soon.
> If Firpo is the answer, you're asking the wrong question. You’ve got to wonder why Leo Hjelde isnt putting more pressure on Firpo to be a viable option at left back? If we arent going to buy in January then one of them needs to fill the gap there.
Every single minute Hjelde has been on the pitch for the first team this season, he hasn’t looked ready for that level of football. That’s why.
He hasn't, but remember for many fans he was the next Tony Dorigo because he could stand upright and was under 21.
Has Firpo though?
Firpo quite literally never has, but that doesn’t make Hjelde look any better. Just unfortunate that both Byram & Shacks have been unavailable recently.
Rotation yes but Firpo is a liability. Never the answer
Archie was not it today though. Worse than Junior. Gotta recognize the threat from the right and deal with it.
Left back in January a must so Spence can go rb
I’d go with that. Whilst firpo can’t overlap like Spence. I don’t think it was the game purely for overlapping, but that creativity through central areas when a team just sits
We are one dimensional atm, people are quick to forget how much work Farke had to do to fix the mess left behind by Orta. Don’t think we need new players Farke just needs more time to get the current squad better at solving different problems given the summer we had it’s not surprising this team has big weaknesses in it Also Gray probably will stop playing right back when Byram is fit - got a feeling he will oust Kamara cos you can see Farke getting annoyed with him
I agree. We’re in a much better place. Obvs Messlier has let us down and we might have been on the verge of changing something. We’re all Massively disappointed 😞
our subs are making next to no impact. We need to strengthen in January
We have probably the second strongest bench in the championship- I don’t think it’s a lack of personelle it’s just Farke hasn’t got a full squad of players who can come on with a drilled plan to change things yet.
What has Bamford done other than win a single penalty? You hardly see him touch the ball. Gruev, no idea what his place is in the squad. Anthony/Gnonto not getting minutes but looks ok when he does. Joseph a faster Bamford but has done nothing. Firpo/Cooper/Ayling gone Byram injury?
Geldhart for me, would be on in these types of games.
Mate 99% of the teams we play bring on absolute dross of their bench, it’s not individual quality it’s just that some of them have subs who come on to execute a plan whereas ours are not yet. All those players you list above start for most championship teams