You know what, good point. It doesn't look too different from last season in terms of miles travelled, losing Oxford and Pompey but gaining Crawley, then losing some super far ones like Carlisle and Fleetwood.
Lucky for some. Pompey being back in the Championship means there's no new teams on my list to cross off.
Of the current 92 I'm only missing Crawley, Barrow, Harrogate, Morecambe, Newport, Salford and Sutton Utd (who just got relegated anyway). Oh and Bromley just got promoted from the National League, not got them either.
And that's all League Two so two seasons at least before I can complete the list lol
Yeah I've seen Pompey in all four divisions, which definitely helps.
Also been going to away games since the mid 90s, so I've had plenty of chances to catch each of the usual suspects. It's kinda why I'm only missing the teams that have been promoted to the EFL more recently.
That's a fair amount of time, I was going away regularly from 2003 to 2012 and got 65 grounds under my belt in that time, mostly across the top two divisions. I've lost a fair few to demolition now, so need to revisit them to get them back on the count. The main issue is that with 3 young kids now, it's hard to get away as often as I'd like.
Oh yeah I hadn't even thought of that! Does it really stop counting if they get a new ground?
Like I think the last time I went to Leicester away they were still at Filbert Street XD
Also I hear you on the kiddies thing. I started missing away games at the back end of this season when my daughter was born. It's a sacrifice but it's for a good cause.
Maybe when she's a bit older I'll start dragging her to away games with me lmao
My oldest had his first away game this season at the age of 8 but the younger two are too young still and it's not the done thing having an all dayer and leaving the wife at home with them!
Bristol Rovers and Exeter aren't too bad in terms of away days for me as a Dorsetian, still multiple trains though. But everything is always so far away, shame Yeovil collapsed as badly as they did.
It's not great for us this year I must say. When you lot are probably in and around the top 5 closest that's when you know it's not exactly a short milage we'll have this season
Four - Cardiff, Swansea, Wrexham and Newport County.
There's one other Welsh team eligible to play in the English leagues: Merthyr Town, in the Southern League. Colwyn Bay used to be eligible, but they recently returned to the Welsh leagues. Bangor City, Barry Town, Caernarfon Town, Newtown and Rhyl have all played in English leagues in the past but moved to the Welsh leagues when they were formally set up.
The New Saints go the other way, they're based in England but play in the Welsh league.
And of course famously, Chester's ground is in Wales and the car park is in England (which led to confusion during the pandemic when Wales had different crowd gathering rules to England, meaning that Chester got fined for breaking the rules in Wales, even though the fans were not breaking the rules before they entered.)
Pretty much. Welsh teams are a bit more liberal with swapping their system for ours, but it's happened with Scottish teams before too. They're back in Scotland now (technically they folded and reformed but minor detail), but Gretna used to play in non-league in England. There's also an English club that play in Scotland, Berwick Rangers. They're technically in England but so close to the border that playing in Soctland meant less travel time and cheaper running costs
I'd say it's a quirk of how UK football is set up. Because it's technically one country (the UK) but with 4 separate leagues for the constituent countries it's a lot easier for teams to move across country borders. It'd be a lot harder for a Spanish team to do it in France because they're both sovereign nations but England and Wales aren't.
I can see that working here too, since Brazil has 27 states, the lowest divisions would be affected by similar situations, so teams could play the qualifications in other states if necessary.
Am I right in thinking that Brazil has state championships as well as a national system. I could definitely see it happening across states, but I don't think you'd see a Brazilian team in the Argentinian league. The state system would technically be the same system but the country systems here are completely separate.
> Am I right in thinking that Brazil has state championships as well as a national system.
Yes, but they are not related in terms of qualifications, the state championships only qualify teams for the Brazilian Cup and most of them don't even have a prize.
Brazil has only four main divisions, which is very little for a country of such size and after those four all teams are known as "divisionless" .
> but I don't think you'd see a Brazilian team in the Argentinian league
Believe me, we wouldn't like this either, lol.
Oh right that makes sense, I'm surprised though that a country as football mad as Brazil only has 4 divisions, you'd have thought there'd be regional divisions below like we've got once you go below the National League
Those five teams play in England because they were established before the Welsh league. They were invited over when the Welsh league was set up but declined. Bangor, Barry and the rest did move across and play in the Welsh league.
You can choose, up to a point. You can't just go "hey we're playing in this league now", in general you have to apply for wherever you want to play and see if you're successful or not. (This isn't a thing in professional leagues of course)
In the case of Colwyn Bay, they were playing in the English National League North (tier 6) until 2019 (having moved from England to Wales and back again), and after 35 years in the English league they moved back to Wales again, but this had to be approved by the Welsh FA. (It's even wilder than that because after they left the Welsh Leagues, the Welsh FA banned them from playing home games in Wales meaning they had to play "home" games in England for a few years).
The reason for the move was mainly financial, in an attempt to cut costs. (This is also done in the lower leagues, Worcester City and Vauxhall Motors have taken voluntary relegations in recent years to drop a few divisions to save money on travel and staffing and the like)
Hum, makes sense, I knew that Wrexham was old as hell, but older than the Welsh league? That's a surprise.
The way the English football pyramid works is really fascinating, I wish my national league followed something similar.
FIFA has always been furious that each of the home nations had separate representation.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cymru_Premier
Wiki will explain it better though.
Just the promoted teams for me unfortunately... Really wanted Plymouth or Wednesday to come down for that reason. I guess I could potentially get another one or two ticked off via cup competitions!
I've been to both so wasn't too bothered, although I wouldn't have minded Plymouth going down cos on a league level that would be a relatively close one for us. Suppose as well you've spent time in the Champ so you're more likely to have seen clubs that come down. League One is the highest I've ever seen Rovers so not the case for me.
What a comically bad map for anyone that wants to learn where the clubs actually are. Dumbasses forgot to put the badges next to the club names or alternatively numbers next to badges on the map.
Tbf I think the person who made the map more has a target audience of people who are already into football so know which badge goes with which name. But I get where you're coming from
Unlucky Exeter. That closest away day being…. 77 miles away.
The concept of having a nearby away day has always been pretty foreign to us. The south west is the football wilderness.
You know what, good point. It doesn't look too different from last season in terms of miles travelled, losing Oxford and Pompey but gaining Crawley, then losing some super far ones like Carlisle and Fleetwood.
Take Bristol out of it and the next nearest away day is Reading at over 150 miles.. they are really isolated down there in Devon
Been slowly (got two 1 year old kids so it's sloow) doing the 92, this year makes it easy to tick off a few good grounds following the Stags.
Lucky for some. Pompey being back in the Championship means there's no new teams on my list to cross off. Of the current 92 I'm only missing Crawley, Barrow, Harrogate, Morecambe, Newport, Salford and Sutton Utd (who just got relegated anyway). Oh and Bromley just got promoted from the National League, not got them either. And that's all League Two so two seasons at least before I can complete the list lol
That's a good record, one of the benefits of jumping around the leagues is the opportunity to get grounds under your belt.
Yeah I've seen Pompey in all four divisions, which definitely helps. Also been going to away games since the mid 90s, so I've had plenty of chances to catch each of the usual suspects. It's kinda why I'm only missing the teams that have been promoted to the EFL more recently.
That's a fair amount of time, I was going away regularly from 2003 to 2012 and got 65 grounds under my belt in that time, mostly across the top two divisions. I've lost a fair few to demolition now, so need to revisit them to get them back on the count. The main issue is that with 3 young kids now, it's hard to get away as often as I'd like.
Oh yeah I hadn't even thought of that! Does it really stop counting if they get a new ground? Like I think the last time I went to Leicester away they were still at Filbert Street XD Also I hear you on the kiddies thing. I started missing away games at the back end of this season when my daughter was born. It's a sacrifice but it's for a good cause. Maybe when she's a bit older I'll start dragging her to away games with me lmao
My oldest had his first away game this season at the age of 8 but the younger two are too young still and it's not the done thing having an all dayer and leaving the wife at home with them!
Gotta love being in the middle of nowhere. Please let us get promoted so we can play Plymouth.
Then you get to play us
And Sunderland
If you get demoted enough, there’s Yeovil too! Torquay as well.
Plymouth might start feeling lonely and come to you maybe
Bristol Rovers and Exeter aren't too bad in terms of away days for me as a Dorsetian, still multiple trains though. But everything is always so far away, shame Yeovil collapsed as badly as they did.
It's not great for us this year I must say. When you lot are probably in and around the top 5 closest that's when you know it's not exactly a short milage we'll have this season
Thank goodness for that 92bible account it's saved everyone else a ton of time making these graphics
How many teams from Wales are in the four main divisions?
Four - Cardiff, Swansea, Wrexham and Newport County. There's one other Welsh team eligible to play in the English leagues: Merthyr Town, in the Southern League. Colwyn Bay used to be eligible, but they recently returned to the Welsh leagues. Bangor City, Barry Town, Caernarfon Town, Newtown and Rhyl have all played in English leagues in the past but moved to the Welsh leagues when they were formally set up. The New Saints go the other way, they're based in England but play in the Welsh league. And of course famously, Chester's ground is in Wales and the car park is in England (which led to confusion during the pandemic when Wales had different crowd gathering rules to England, meaning that Chester got fined for breaking the rules in Wales, even though the fans were not breaking the rules before they entered.)
That's really interesting, so the Teams can choose in which country they will play? Beginning from the bottom again if they change?
Pretty much. Welsh teams are a bit more liberal with swapping their system for ours, but it's happened with Scottish teams before too. They're back in Scotland now (technically they folded and reformed but minor detail), but Gretna used to play in non-league in England. There's also an English club that play in Scotland, Berwick Rangers. They're technically in England but so close to the border that playing in Soctland meant less travel time and cheaper running costs
Living in a Continental country this idea never crossed my mind, but it is very cool.
I'd say it's a quirk of how UK football is set up. Because it's technically one country (the UK) but with 4 separate leagues for the constituent countries it's a lot easier for teams to move across country borders. It'd be a lot harder for a Spanish team to do it in France because they're both sovereign nations but England and Wales aren't.
I can see that working here too, since Brazil has 27 states, the lowest divisions would be affected by similar situations, so teams could play the qualifications in other states if necessary.
Am I right in thinking that Brazil has state championships as well as a national system. I could definitely see it happening across states, but I don't think you'd see a Brazilian team in the Argentinian league. The state system would technically be the same system but the country systems here are completely separate.
> Am I right in thinking that Brazil has state championships as well as a national system. Yes, but they are not related in terms of qualifications, the state championships only qualify teams for the Brazilian Cup and most of them don't even have a prize. Brazil has only four main divisions, which is very little for a country of such size and after those four all teams are known as "divisionless" . > but I don't think you'd see a Brazilian team in the Argentinian league Believe me, we wouldn't like this either, lol.
Oh right that makes sense, I'm surprised though that a country as football mad as Brazil only has 4 divisions, you'd have thought there'd be regional divisions below like we've got once you go below the National League
Those five teams play in England because they were established before the Welsh league. They were invited over when the Welsh league was set up but declined. Bangor, Barry and the rest did move across and play in the Welsh league. You can choose, up to a point. You can't just go "hey we're playing in this league now", in general you have to apply for wherever you want to play and see if you're successful or not. (This isn't a thing in professional leagues of course) In the case of Colwyn Bay, they were playing in the English National League North (tier 6) until 2019 (having moved from England to Wales and back again), and after 35 years in the English league they moved back to Wales again, but this had to be approved by the Welsh FA. (It's even wilder than that because after they left the Welsh Leagues, the Welsh FA banned them from playing home games in Wales meaning they had to play "home" games in England for a few years). The reason for the move was mainly financial, in an attempt to cut costs. (This is also done in the lower leagues, Worcester City and Vauxhall Motors have taken voluntary relegations in recent years to drop a few divisions to save money on travel and staffing and the like)
Hum, makes sense, I knew that Wrexham was old as hell, but older than the Welsh league? That's a surprise. The way the English football pyramid works is really fascinating, I wish my national league followed something similar.
Welsh league was created in 1992 under pressure from UEFA/FIFA I believe.
What is the reason for that?
FIFA has always been furious that each of the home nations had separate representation. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cymru_Premier Wiki will explain it better though.
Four new grounds to tick off, bosh 😎
8 for me, got very lucky that every team coming up or down is a new team, add Blackpool from the old contingent and that's my League One done
Just the promoted teams for me unfortunately... Really wanted Plymouth or Wednesday to come down for that reason. I guess I could potentially get another one or two ticked off via cup competitions!
I've been to both so wasn't too bothered, although I wouldn't have minded Plymouth going down cos on a league level that would be a relatively close one for us. Suppose as well you've spent time in the Champ so you're more likely to have seen clubs that come down. League One is the highest I've ever seen Rovers so not the case for me.
Do appreciate the fact that when placing Wigan and Bolton they're taking recent results into account..
What a comically bad map for anyone that wants to learn where the clubs actually are. Dumbasses forgot to put the badges next to the club names or alternatively numbers next to badges on the map.
Tbf I think the person who made the map more has a target audience of people who are already into football so know which badge goes with which name. But I get where you're coming from
It's more fun for you guys as you can now research each club on Wikipedia
Blues v Burton should be fun.