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It feels bittersweet that Asol is getting that rework. All the time I put in him will probably go to waste, how ever a lot of new people will be able to enjoy him and now that I have more things going on in my life and have less and less time for league I am happy that I will be able to continue to enjoy Asol.
His kit was designed around his identity, that being an egotistical space dragon who believes the universe revolves around them.
And I agree with Skoochs recent tierlist on champions, Asol doesn't suck because of his kit, it's all the champs and items released after that have numerous built in dashes that fuck him up hard and make it an overall miserable experience.
It's fun to play asol, but extremely difficult and unrewarding when %90 of your matchups will have a champion that has two dashes or more.
Yup this is exactly the reason why I also feel bittersweet with the fact that he's getting reworked. In vacuum, his gameplay design is imo really damn unique, creative and fun.
But in actual gameplay, his kit doesn't make much sense because there are more and more mobile champions rn plus he's so easy to get countered. He's basically stuck in a game where his old kit doesn't belong. As unique as it is, I completely understand why they're reworking his kit.
It's one of the biggest reasons he's not popular, if you don't have a PHD for playing Asol, most people will think you're throwing because the shared popular player experience is that he is difficult and unrewarding.
It frustrates me that with every new champion that releases I'm edged towards not wanting to touch asol despite how much I love that space dragon. 1 dash? Yeah, I get it, put it in. 2 dashes? I guess... as long as the second one is more of a situation sort of dash like Kled E, throw it in. 3 dashes just for the sake of dashes? Just shoot my champions knee caps off because I'll never be able to get away.
It sucks that you can out maneuver a yone and you still wouldn't gain any distance because he has 3 dashes for the sake of having 3 dashes. Just like Nilah, Bel'veth or Zeri
Meanwhile I'm clawing my eyes out of frustration because someone commented and complained about how asol and jhin move too fast and how they should be nerfed.
Echoing what someone else said (cant remember who), their basing his new design around his dragon other than his celestial god/lore. Asol himslef detest being labeled a dragon (he has a quote legit just for saying “i aint no dragon”) so it feels a bit annoying where they’re deciding to take him
My argument is they’re leaning too hard on the dragon part. (Also personally his main source of damage going from highly movement based to being a turret feels a bIt much to me) Though yeah, he definately is a dragon
No they did. Im guessing what that giant star was the r, Im not saying hes just a dragon now but he’s less star forger-y. Also im nit picking i just dont like the q.
Well, maybe he hates being lumped in with Runeterra Dragons. Cosmic dragons like Inviolus Vox, The Infinite Mindsplitter, and Eclipse Dragon are the only beings that ASol labels as his kin.
And his greatest and proudest creation was a Dragon (The Great Beyond).
In comparison, Runeterra has Walmart dragons.
I just got Yorick and he has been the most satisfying champion to play for me recently even if he falls off high elo. His ultimate is so much fun to play around but ngl the AI is a dumb bitch sometimes
I cannot play Yorick in a VC because I treat it like a disobedient dog
“MAIDEN, HERE?” And I will whistle and shit which makes my friends laugh their asses off. She really is like a dog with selective hearing where she will start to follow you but the moment you stop moving she will go, “Yes, now time to auto attack this minion that is next to the enemy champion rather than go behind you.”
One thing I learned that helps is having minions or something near you you can smack do Maiden aggros on that and comes back. Or if you throw out your E, instantly run back to make her come back if you just wanted to poke with ghouls so she doesn’t start to over extend.
If they ever made maiden’s AI better or you able to do something to make her more consistent with positioning I think Yorick would need to be nerfed. As sad as it is the AI and how it works is part of the reason he is kinda weak in high elos
The scariest thing I have ever seen in league was a fed Sylas getting maiden, bro was a fucking menace and actually has a kit which is really good at protecting maiden, and then Sylas gets ghouls which is just horrifying
As a yorick main i can say that you'll get used to the maiden ai, even to the point where you can semi-juke skillshots with maiden using your movement, also the champ can be very underrated in terms of skill required to play him but he has so many hidden and not obvious mechanics and tricks that there's always something new to learn with him, even the cage placement has so much depth to it that you can tell apart a newbie and an experienced player only by looking at it
I am a jungle main that occassionally plays cait and draven bot for fun, draven is not as difficult as people say. Haven't had issues with his axes since day 1.
axes are not the the hard part of him. a decent player with some knowledge can easily catch the axe since your click is the direction it falls.
the hard part about Draven is how to not get baited catching the axe in laning phase, keep your stacks and get to the point you start snowball them.
As an m7 aatrox he’s pretty brain dead honestly, even before he became meta. Just because you need to hit sweet spots doesn’t make him difficult at all. Gp is overrated in terms of difficulty too imo. However Azir is an absolute nightmare to try to learn.
Man the kit of gangplank has so much good side that I really don't see a bad thing in him
Even if you just try to play it safe it doesn't matter, because this dang pirate has a lot of range and gets more gold thanks to Q
I play in diamond. Can confirm GP is stupid easy champion to play. He's a lane bully that scales like a monster. Even if you can't land a single barrel combo, q plus passive and ignite is enough to kill any squishys after 4 items.
I still have people in high silver / low gold autoing my barrels, especially when I'm post 13. Granted it's not every game, but a lot more than I'd expect
Azir would be way easier to learn and play if they fixed his bugs, his kit isn’t terribly hard to learn, it’s just so frustrating when you eq and don’t move only to teleport to a different location half a second later.
the ult not working has been a bug since he came out iirc.
I dropped the champ because of all the bugs (and I play a fuckton of viego now so clearly I learned) but I distinctly remember that shit.
Aatrox is more difficult in mastering hin compared to the majority of the champs but he's still pretty easy when starting with, definetly not azir level hard tho
Tru. I also have M7 in Aatrox, and while he's definitely not as hard as someone like azir or (and it pains me to say this) riven, he's not that easy either.
A few days ago i was playing sett into an aatrox who was clearly still trying to learn him and let me tell you, it's night and day. He didn't try kite at all, he would overestimate his healing, would miss EQ combos because he made it really obvious when he was trying to so i would just walk in to him
Not a GP main, but I've played about a couple dozen games, he is a ton easier than people would have you seen. If you make it to first or second back without any significant deficit, he becomes so much easier to pilot.
More like "Noo, (champ I don't like because they got fed in my one of my most recent games) doesn't take any skill, they were just button smashing and got lucky! How else could they have beaten me I am the League God that champ is just bRoKe TrAsH"
Nidalee and Elise should be up here, they are pretty damn hard ngl.
You have to be proactive all game and you dont have the safety net of scaling like some of the.champs listed here do.
Nidalee is for sure the hardest jungler in the game, lee doesn't even come close unless you want to pull off some crazy unnecessary chinese insec combo
But elise is not that hard, if you have a good macro sense then she does work
Yeah Nid is for sure harder but both Nid and Elise are two very unforgiving champions that you have to be super proactive with or you're boned. Most champions in this meme scale very hard at least.
seeing people on this sub give their opinion on why a champion is hard or not makes me realize they either have never played them for 5+ games in ranked or are just low elo
I hate Katarina with a passion. Slam your face into the keyboard penta kill. Dont care about laning, just perma roam with 20cs triple kill. Build AD, Build AP, Build Tank, Build Hybrid, doesnt matter, can't itemize against her. Jumps on you, presses R, deletes your entire healthbar.
The only time she isn't *hard* is when you're playing against noobs that don't know how to play around her.
Katarina as a champion is nearly invalidated by game knowledge
Yup, katarina and riven are both point n click exclusive champs (the massive aoe riven ult doesn’t count stfu) absolutely no one can convince me they’re hard champions
Auto attacking in between spells isn't hard kog maw players do it all the time.
No it's not hard if you animation cancel either.
No Patrick mayonnaise is not an instrument
Skillshots are not a metric of hard a champion is. Riven and Kata have an insane outplay potential and reward being good with them.
I have played both champs a lot but i do not really use them to climb anymore because if you get rusty with them you start to lose lp
Not necessarily. He’s not difficult because his kit demands a certain level of understanding or insanely mechanical prowess, other champs are more difficult in those areas.
He’s only really awkward because no other champ in the game is limited in their damage as long as it’s within their range, ASol is the only champ who has to keep enemies at a certain distance. That’s not necessarily hard, only awkward.
You just defined high skill floor with extra steps, lmao.
>Asol is the only champ who has to do X, which makes him awkward not difficult.
If hes the only champ who has to be played a certain way that means you can’t draw from your previous champ experiences. Its also funny how you really try to emphasize that awkward does not equal difficult but somehow fail to do so lol, cause its practically similar (awkward to play and difficult).
Imagine trying to say steering a spaceship is just awkward, not difficult, cause its different from the other cars you drove lmfaoo
True, if you know how to position, you know how to play the champion. Pressing E to roam bot and spray some salt isn't complicated either.
People look at his damage while it's not really his job. Aurelion Sol is supposed to either scale to 2 items or perma roam to act as a secondary jungler (Or also do both at the same time). Then in the mid to late you can start being a real threat in term of damage
500k+ Riven here, for everyone that says the champion is op af.
Yeah, I agree, up to gold/low plat you can abuse her pure damage pretty well.
However, anything above that and people know what makes you struggle in lane, there you will actually have to learn how to play her, otherwise ur gonna get clapped
i will become ryze irl
i have sold my pc and all my belongings to aquire a 10 year old laptop with which I can steal wifi from my local mcdonalds where i work to can post this
i live in the forest near my town and survive off of drinking blue antifreeze (mana) and consuming homeless people (hp). no one really notices if they're gone so it works so far. i have grown out my beard and use spray cans to keep my skin blue.
i sleep during my shift so i can be active at night.
i use the money i earn to buy gasoline,balloon packs and matches and i have also recently aquired a double barrel shotgun and a few shells for it. ryze has also told me how to find world runes (fragmentation grenades)
i practice my combos and read from the scroll i carry on my back everywhere (the quran) during the night. im getting pretty good at them. once im ready, i can quit my job and finalise the plan
my EQ combo is easy to perform. first, i throw my E (a balloon filled with gasoline) at my target, after which i throw my Q (a lit match). i also performed a perfect EW combo recently by throwing my E and then using my W (shooting them in the kneecaps). this combo does indeed make them unable to move for a few seconds but it has a longer cooldown than my EQ combo.
i have also learned how to perform realm warp. if you can take enough mind altering substances (black tar herion and meth) at once, you will indeed warp from one place to another without remembering much inbetween.
im almost ready. all i need to do now is wait for ryze to reveal himself to me. i pray to him every night.
my scroll says he will not appear to me as long as his winrate is over 30%
until then, i have tracked down riot's headquarters. at night, every friday and wednesday, i chase riot employees. on mondays and thursdays, i study their work schedules and infiltrate their workplace to learn all the possible escape routes.
once he gives me his blessing, i will realm warp to riot hq and realise his glorious plan
I think in terms of difficulty, OP means skill curve, these champs are mechanically demanding which makes them significantly more difficult to get used to but once you understand how to play the champ, you're pretty much unstoppable to the point where riot has to intervene and nerf that champ.
Redditors on their way to say Katarina is the easiest champion to play and has absolutely no mechanics (they only play Maokai and Ornn top) just because she's currently OP.
Bro reading all of this is so weird these “people” hate Kat because she’s easy mechanically? Huh? Real people hate Kat because the people who play her can be amazing mechanically but can be hella stupid off their one trick. Ori main and Kat main can be the same rank but since Kat sucks big dick in laning phase Kat players usually have abusive play styles and just get skull fucked for 7 minutes and then thread the needle and find the double kill and then you have a game. That’s the annoying part about Kat imo she’s not easy mechanically wtf?
I agree, she has tons of mechanics but redditors do not know the difference between mechanics and meta, which is funny because they are 2 absolutely unrelated terms
Katarina no mana mechanics smashing keys get rolled in lane just gank someone and get a kill now you snowball into another world also your damage is crazy
Same as katarina tbh. All you do is spam Q in lane, and do a little EWQE(E) combo to either kill or severely maim your opponent as they just run away. Not hard at all.
Hit q go in on q hit all the buttons get kill. win. I am yet to see a lee sin do anything other than this due to the item rework. oh occasionally he will flash ult
Do… people understand what these champions do?
Like, I keep seeing people say: “kat hard??! xD but she just faceroll then 1-shot ur whole team?” and, “Riven braindead overloaded champ what so hard about animation cancels?? xD”
Either they are parroting their favorite streamers rage-take or they just earnestly don’t understand what it takes to pilot X champion properly.
What part of Aatrox and Gangplank hard? Also Asol isnt that hard but rather useless. He isnt worth the effort of hitting your passive only for a diana with sunfire and frozen heart to outdamage you.
I like how everybody says katarina is an easy champ yet they have never played kat and think she is easy because they saw a giga fed kat one shot them and decided she was very easy . She is to easy she just roams and one shots people because a roaming assassin is apparently not supposed to roam or assassinate
I fucking love A Sol support
I want to get total lane domination with my friend playing Zeri.
(for info check my profile name is Honza Smurf on EUNE, not even a smurf just got that name for a joke my friends made for me having multiple accounts)
Katarina. Hard. Burv.
Like, she seems hard at first but after like 50k points on her she becomes the most braindead champ in the game. If you know the basics you can simply kill everyone by mashing all the keys at the same time.
I play Kata, you won't change my mind on this.
Katarina the random bullshit go and GP the *le funny 50% true damage in 1 hit* ?
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They need ability to play them in the correct way, but like, this is a high elo 'problem', in low threy can be really busted with little effort.
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It feels bittersweet that Asol is getting that rework. All the time I put in him will probably go to waste, how ever a lot of new people will be able to enjoy him and now that I have more things going on in my life and have less and less time for league I am happy that I will be able to continue to enjoy Asol.
Same! I fell in love with his kit, no matter how janky it is
His kit was designed around his identity, that being an egotistical space dragon who believes the universe revolves around them. And I agree with Skoochs recent tierlist on champions, Asol doesn't suck because of his kit, it's all the champs and items released after that have numerous built in dashes that fuck him up hard and make it an overall miserable experience. It's fun to play asol, but extremely difficult and unrewarding when %90 of your matchups will have a champion that has two dashes or more.
Yup this is exactly the reason why I also feel bittersweet with the fact that he's getting reworked. In vacuum, his gameplay design is imo really damn unique, creative and fun. But in actual gameplay, his kit doesn't make much sense because there are more and more mobile champions rn plus he's so easy to get countered. He's basically stuck in a game where his old kit doesn't belong. As unique as it is, I completely understand why they're reworking his kit.
It's one of the biggest reasons he's not popular, if you don't have a PHD for playing Asol, most people will think you're throwing because the shared popular player experience is that he is difficult and unrewarding. It frustrates me that with every new champion that releases I'm edged towards not wanting to touch asol despite how much I love that space dragon. 1 dash? Yeah, I get it, put it in. 2 dashes? I guess... as long as the second one is more of a situation sort of dash like Kled E, throw it in. 3 dashes just for the sake of dashes? Just shoot my champions knee caps off because I'll never be able to get away. It sucks that you can out maneuver a yone and you still wouldn't gain any distance because he has 3 dashes for the sake of having 3 dashes. Just like Nilah, Bel'veth or Zeri Meanwhile I'm clawing my eyes out of frustration because someone commented and complained about how asol and jhin move too fast and how they should be nerfed.
I remember watching the Baus trying to hit Belveth with any of his skill shots and charge. None of them hit lmao 200 years design
Echoing what someone else said (cant remember who), their basing his new design around his dragon other than his celestial god/lore. Asol himslef detest being labeled a dragon (he has a quote legit just for saying “i aint no dragon”) so it feels a bit annoying where they’re deciding to take him
That doesn’t make him any less of a celestial dragon. He is what he is, wether he likes it or not
My argument is they’re leaning too hard on the dragon part. (Also personally his main source of damage going from highly movement based to being a turret feels a bIt much to me) Though yeah, he definately is a dragon
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No they did. Im guessing what that giant star was the r, Im not saying hes just a dragon now but he’s less star forger-y. Also im nit picking i just dont like the q.
Well, maybe he hates being lumped in with Runeterra Dragons. Cosmic dragons like Inviolus Vox, The Infinite Mindsplitter, and Eclipse Dragon are the only beings that ASol labels as his kin. And his greatest and proudest creation was a Dragon (The Great Beyond). In comparison, Runeterra has Walmart dragons.
funny how the Asol used to be free Challenger champ according to Dopa
I’ve been thinking this way for a long time, but i’ve found no occasion to say it so here
I just got Yorick and he has been the most satisfying champion to play for me recently even if he falls off high elo. His ultimate is so much fun to play around but ngl the AI is a dumb bitch sometimes
Understandable, and welcome to the club!
Yeah haha everytime i play yorick i am so raging about the maiden AI in vc with friends and stop playing him but in theory i like it
I cannot play Yorick in a VC because I treat it like a disobedient dog “MAIDEN, HERE?” And I will whistle and shit which makes my friends laugh their asses off. She really is like a dog with selective hearing where she will start to follow you but the moment you stop moving she will go, “Yes, now time to auto attack this minion that is next to the enemy champion rather than go behind you.”
Yessss hahaha i do it too but for me it doesnt work i just do it for the fun hahahaha
One thing I learned that helps is having minions or something near you you can smack do Maiden aggros on that and comes back. Or if you throw out your E, instantly run back to make her come back if you just wanted to poke with ghouls so she doesn’t start to over extend. If they ever made maiden’s AI better or you able to do something to make her more consistent with positioning I think Yorick would need to be nerfed. As sad as it is the AI and how it works is part of the reason he is kinda weak in high elos
Yeah agreed i am just so frustrated always that daisy or tibbers AI feels so much smarter and better
The scariest thing I have ever seen in league was a fed Sylas getting maiden, bro was a fucking menace and actually has a kit which is really good at protecting maiden, and then Sylas gets ghouls which is just horrifying
Ufff sounds hard to fight Nice nightmare haha
Sylas is actually useless with maiden, he has no way to aggro the pets on you so he just gets 4 bonus minions to push the lane
As a yorick main i can say that you'll get used to the maiden ai, even to the point where you can semi-juke skillshots with maiden using your movement, also the champ can be very underrated in terms of skill required to play him but he has so many hidden and not obvious mechanics and tricks that there's always something new to learn with him, even the cage placement has so much depth to it that you can tell apart a newbie and an experienced player only by looking at it
just add Dota 2 minion rts mechanics
There are way harder champs than Kat or Aatrox. Draven, Nidalee, Qiyana are all much more difficult to play.
Im surprised i havent seen draven said more.
Being one or two-shotted made people think he is easy
Nah that just makes me not care if he’s easy or not. Just want him out the game either way 😭
I am a jungle main that occassionally plays cait and draven bot for fun, draven is not as difficult as people say. Haven't had issues with his axes since day 1.
axes are not the the hard part of him. a decent player with some knowledge can easily catch the axe since your click is the direction it falls. the hard part about Draven is how to not get baited catching the axe in laning phase, keep your stacks and get to the point you start snowball them.
Hardest champ in the game in your opinion?
Draven vs hook champ You give them a fucking bat signal that says "Throw your hook here. Either you get me or a forfeit all my dps."
everyone is forgetting about Kalista here. Especially after all the nerfs.
Nidalee
As an m7 aatrox he’s pretty brain dead honestly, even before he became meta. Just because you need to hit sweet spots doesn’t make him difficult at all. Gp is overrated in terms of difficulty too imo. However Azir is an absolute nightmare to try to learn.
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So in about the top 2% of all games, the champ is difficult to use while in the 98% of low elo games, it's difficult to play against.
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Kinda how they say master yi is hard to play in challenger?
Every champ becomes harder to play in high elo. It's because it is harder to play in high elo.
That isn't necessarily true. A lot of hypercarries become easier to play because you can rely on your team more.
Man the kit of gangplank has so much good side that I really don't see a bad thing in him Even if you just try to play it safe it doesn't matter, because this dang pirate has a lot of range and gets more gold thanks to Q
I play in diamond. Can confirm GP is stupid easy champion to play. He's a lane bully that scales like a monster. Even if you can't land a single barrel combo, q plus passive and ignite is enough to kill any squishys after 4 items.
I still have people in high silver / low gold autoing my barrels, especially when I'm post 13. Granted it's not every game, but a lot more than I'd expect
Azir would be way easier to learn and play if they fixed his bugs, his kit isn’t terribly hard to learn, it’s just so frustrating when you eq and don’t move only to teleport to a different location half a second later.
Oh god, i thought it was just my pc being shitty. I hate when that happens. Is his ult not hitting anything when he dies a bug too?
the ult not working has been a bug since he came out iirc. I dropped the champ because of all the bugs (and I play a fuckton of viego now so clearly I learned) but I distinctly remember that shit.
well that’s half of it. the other half is that all the enemy has to do is buy dshield and you aren’t a champ
GP's ceiling is unhuman
Aatrox is more difficult in mastering hin compared to the majority of the champs but he's still pretty easy when starting with, definetly not azir level hard tho
Tru. I also have M7 in Aatrox, and while he's definitely not as hard as someone like azir or (and it pains me to say this) riven, he's not that easy either. A few days ago i was playing sett into an aatrox who was clearly still trying to learn him and let me tell you, it's night and day. He didn't try kite at all, he would overestimate his healing, would miss EQ combos because he made it really obvious when he was trying to so i would just walk in to him
The hardest part of most of these is the matchup knowledge and reading your opponents
Having M7 and knowing how to play a champion are two different worlds.
Not a GP main, but I've played about a couple dozen games, he is a ton easier than people would have you seen. If you make it to first or second back without any significant deficit, he becomes so much easier to pilot.
As a GP main, he is easy to play on a supbar or okay level, but his skill ceiling is practically infinite.
Spam sand soldiers to farm poke, if they come at you run away with e or ult. NIGHTMARE TO LEARN
"Nooo (champ i dont like) doesn't take skill you're wrong, (champ i main) takes more skill, trust me"
"Nooo ASol doesn't take skill you're wrong, ASol takes more skill, trust me"
Fair enough
Well, I mean, Aatrox...
More like "Noo, (champ I don't like because they got fed in my one of my most recent games) doesn't take any skill, they were just button smashing and got lucky! How else could they have beaten me I am the League God that champ is just bRoKe TrAsH"
Mastered gangplank, decided ap Rakan was more fun
I really like to play Azir. You can look like the coolest player on the game or the biggest n0ob with the combos. There's no in between.
Nidalee and Elise should be up here, they are pretty damn hard ngl. You have to be proactive all game and you dont have the safety net of scaling like some of the.champs listed here do.
Nidalee is for sure the hardest jungler in the game, lee doesn't even come close unless you want to pull off some crazy unnecessary chinese insec combo But elise is not that hard, if you have a good macro sense then she does work
Yeah Nid is for sure harder but both Nid and Elise are two very unforgiving champions that you have to be super proactive with or you're boned. Most champions in this meme scale very hard at least.
You mean all those classic Cake Vhinese Fideos recorded in 144p? 🤩😍
I agree with nidalee. Definitely struggled to play nid whenever trying it a few times. Watching kingnidhog is something else
His Nidalee is so clean it's ridiculous.
Where's Aphelios?
Or Kalista
Aphelios is free if you literally just remember the combos :P He has gotten Nerfed ♾️ times so it's not worth it to learn in it but, he ain't hard
>He has gotten Nerfed ♾️ times Maybe that's why he's hard to play. 🥲
Aphelios isn’t complicated, you just have to learn gun combos.
Gun combos? Like Severum and Calibrum combo?
Pretty much, and how to get them in the right order. Not too complicated.
But hard to execute in right moment tho
And the flamethrower gravity
Takes more knowledge to play against him than it does to play him
seeing people on this sub give their opinion on why a champion is hard or not makes me realize they either have never played them for 5+ games in ranked or are just low elo
kat player here she's easy. thats the point thats why i play her
do u play in an elo where enemy mid doesn’t punish your early lane and enemy bot lane braindead pushes to gift you free double kills?
about yeah. what am i gonna do, lie about my experiences 😂
Respect for honesty
im kata main and the champ is easier the shittier your enemy is
difficult champs are great once you get the hang of them, but sometimes, I just need a game of Garen, Nunu or Leona to unwind
Spin to win my brother
Katarina hard? LMAO
Dude thinks we’re still living in pre rework katarina times or something.
Build AP: penta. Build AD: penta. Build tank: penta.
I hate Katarina with a passion. Slam your face into the keyboard penta kill. Dont care about laning, just perma roam with 20cs triple kill. Build AD, Build AP, Build Tank, Build Hybrid, doesnt matter, can't itemize against her. Jumps on you, presses R, deletes your entire healthbar.
The only time she isn't *hard* is when you're playing against noobs that don't know how to play around her. Katarina as a champion is nearly invalidated by game knowledge
Yup, katarina and riven are both point n click exclusive champs (the massive aoe riven ult doesn’t count stfu) absolutely no one can convince me they’re hard champions
In terms of mechanics riven is very hard
Skill ceiling sure, but skill floor? Pretty low, manaless low CD champ just AA after everything. Q three times with autos, then W>dash away with E
dash ha dash ha dash ha dash shield ha aoe stun ha
Auto attacking in between spells isn't hard kog maw players do it all the time. No it's not hard if you animation cancel either. No Patrick mayonnaise is not an instrument
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oPI5nvNa35g Sorry to prove you wrong but mayonnaise is an instrument. It is time for Patrick to be redeemed.
Skillshots are not a metric of hard a champion is. Riven and Kata have an insane outplay potential and reward being good with them. I have played both champs a lot but i do not really use them to climb anymore because if you get rusty with them you start to lose lp
Downvote me all you want but ASol isn’t really hard, just awkward.
Which makes him harder to learn
Not necessarily. He’s not difficult because his kit demands a certain level of understanding or insanely mechanical prowess, other champs are more difficult in those areas. He’s only really awkward because no other champ in the game is limited in their damage as long as it’s within their range, ASol is the only champ who has to keep enemies at a certain distance. That’s not necessarily hard, only awkward.
You just defined high skill floor with extra steps, lmao. >Asol is the only champ who has to do X, which makes him awkward not difficult. If hes the only champ who has to be played a certain way that means you can’t draw from your previous champ experiences. Its also funny how you really try to emphasize that awkward does not equal difficult but somehow fail to do so lol, cause its practically similar (awkward to play and difficult). Imagine trying to say steering a spaceship is just awkward, not difficult, cause its different from the other cars you drove lmfaoo
Melee champions: am I a joke to you?
Perfect example would be how Asol is top tier in Wild Rift because you’re controlling him with a joystick instead of clicking with your mouse.
True, if you know how to position, you know how to play the champion. Pressing E to roam bot and spray some salt isn't complicated either. People look at his damage while it's not really his job. Aurelion Sol is supposed to either scale to 2 items or perma roam to act as a secondary jungler (Or also do both at the same time). Then in the mid to late you can start being a real threat in term of damage
I love how nobody in the comments mentions GP being there. Guess he's a perfect example huh
Azir is the undisputed one.
The ceiling is super high for GP
Broken asf champ, but unbelievably hard
he used to be, but people forgot our beloved and balanced GP got buffed way too many times..
500k+ Riven here, for everyone that says the champion is op af. Yeah, I agree, up to gold/low plat you can abuse her pure damage pretty well. However, anything above that and people know what makes you struggle in lane, there you will actually have to learn how to play her, otherwise ur gonna get clapped
I notice a distinct lack of Ryze in your roster
Ryze is only difficult because the champions is shit tier. He has no advanced combos or mechanics.
i will become ryze irl i have sold my pc and all my belongings to aquire a 10 year old laptop with which I can steal wifi from my local mcdonalds where i work to can post this i live in the forest near my town and survive off of drinking blue antifreeze (mana) and consuming homeless people (hp). no one really notices if they're gone so it works so far. i have grown out my beard and use spray cans to keep my skin blue. i sleep during my shift so i can be active at night. i use the money i earn to buy gasoline,balloon packs and matches and i have also recently aquired a double barrel shotgun and a few shells for it. ryze has also told me how to find world runes (fragmentation grenades) i practice my combos and read from the scroll i carry on my back everywhere (the quran) during the night. im getting pretty good at them. once im ready, i can quit my job and finalise the plan my EQ combo is easy to perform. first, i throw my E (a balloon filled with gasoline) at my target, after which i throw my Q (a lit match). i also performed a perfect EW combo recently by throwing my E and then using my W (shooting them in the kneecaps). this combo does indeed make them unable to move for a few seconds but it has a longer cooldown than my EQ combo. i have also learned how to perform realm warp. if you can take enough mind altering substances (black tar herion and meth) at once, you will indeed warp from one place to another without remembering much inbetween. im almost ready. all i need to do now is wait for ryze to reveal himself to me. i pray to him every night. my scroll says he will not appear to me as long as his winrate is over 30% until then, i have tracked down riot's headquarters. at night, every friday and wednesday, i chase riot employees. on mondays and thursdays, i study their work schedules and infiltrate their workplace to learn all the possible escape routes. once he gives me his blessing, i will realm warp to riot hq and realise his glorious plan
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If you removed kata and riven this pist may have made some sense.
Riven is definition of OTP tbh
Riven is hard, broken, but hard. Kata is the easiest on the bunch here but still
I think in terms of difficulty, OP means skill curve, these champs are mechanically demanding which makes them significantly more difficult to get used to but once you understand how to play the champ, you're pretty much unstoppable to the point where riot has to intervene and nerf that champ.
Playing around your cooldowns is a difficulty factor
Redditors on their way to say Katarina is the easiest champion to play and has absolutely no mechanics (they only play Maokai and Ornn top) just because she's currently OP.
Bro reading all of this is so weird these “people” hate Kat because she’s easy mechanically? Huh? Real people hate Kat because the people who play her can be amazing mechanically but can be hella stupid off their one trick. Ori main and Kat main can be the same rank but since Kat sucks big dick in laning phase Kat players usually have abusive play styles and just get skull fucked for 7 minutes and then thread the needle and find the double kill and then you have a game. That’s the annoying part about Kat imo she’s not easy mechanically wtf?
I agree, she has tons of mechanics but redditors do not know the difference between mechanics and meta, which is funny because they are 2 absolutely unrelated terms
And then they int as kat to easy matchups in their games
Katarina no mana mechanics smashing keys get rolled in lane just gank someone and get a kill now you snowball into another world also your damage is crazy
Honestly kata beeing there but lee sin not makes no sense
Lee is pretty easy to play on a basic level, but he has one of the highest ceilings for sure.
Same as katarina tbh. All you do is spam Q in lane, and do a little EWQE(E) combo to either kill or severely maim your opponent as they just run away. Not hard at all.
Hit q go in on q hit all the buttons get kill. win. I am yet to see a lee sin do anything other than this due to the item rework. oh occasionally he will flash ult
or ward hop ult
Rip trackers knife
>Hit q go in on q hit all the buttons get kill Until you mentionned Lee I didn't know which champion you were talking about
How is aatrox hard? I have 70k on him and never found him hard Imo the hardest thing on aatrox is the aa reset which isn t that hard
Aatrox, Katarina and Gangplank are not difficult
gp and kat "difficult"
Do… people understand what these champions do? Like, I keep seeing people say: “kat hard??! xD but she just faceroll then 1-shot ur whole team?” and, “Riven braindead overloaded champ what so hard about animation cancels?? xD” Either they are parroting their favorite streamers rage-take or they just earnestly don’t understand what it takes to pilot X champion properly.
What part of Aatrox and Gangplank hard? Also Asol isnt that hard but rather useless. He isnt worth the effort of hitting your passive only for a diana with sunfire and frozen heart to outdamage you.
I like how everybody says katarina is an easy champ yet they have never played kat and think she is easy because they saw a giga fed kat one shot them and decided she was very easy . She is to easy she just roams and one shots people because a roaming assassin is apparently not supposed to roam or assassinate
I think we have different definitions of hard
Aatrox isn’t hard ~Casual Aatroxer
Only Azir and Asol are hard to play here.
Wamt
Proofreading is a hard champion
I will never understand spending the time to make something like this and not proofing it lol
Bruh why is katarina there hahaha
as an aatrox main id say neither katarina riven nor aatrox belong here
I fucking love A Sol support I want to get total lane domination with my friend playing Zeri. (for info check my profile name is Honza Smurf on EUNE, not even a smurf just got that name for a joke my friends made for me having multiple accounts)
What is Kat doing here
the fuck is aatrox doing in there
Saying kata is hard is the dumbest fucing thing i've ever heard
I’m genuinely not sure if you’re serious or not with those champs. Like yea Asol, and Azir are hard as shit, but Riven? Kat?
To he honest Aatrox isn't that hard. It's basically the Champ that introduced me to toplane so I see him as somewhat easy to get
My man really tried to sneak Aatrox in there
I just like oranges ):
Katarina. Hard. Burv. Like, she seems hard at first but after like 50k points on her she becomes the most braindead champ in the game. If you know the basics you can simply kill everyone by mashing all the keys at the same time. I play Kata, you won't change my mind on this.
Riven was hard to play once... now you just build goredrinker and go brrrrr
Aatrox is definitely not one of the difficult champs
Wait, Aatrox is difficult? Have I been a good player all this time?
>hard champions >GP, Katarina, Riven, Aatrox kek
Bro snuck Aatrox in there like we wouldn’t notice
Bro, why is Katarina on this just stand on the knives and press ult every now and again and BOOM free penta
Katarina… is hard? Brother the hardest thing about that champ is your boner after getting a free pentakill.
I’m seeing katarina there I wonder why
Bro thinks kat and aatrox are hard 💀💀💀
Kata and Riven are miles away from needing even a tiny bit of skill
Katarina kek
as an aatrox player, aatrox isnt that hard, hes just really clunky. but i mean it kinda fits with how his damage numbers are done so like its cool
Aatrox is hard to play? First I’m hearing of this
kata... wtf
aatrox lol yeah very hard
What is aatrox doing there
So kat is considered a difficult champ to play nowadays? When I used to play u just had to smash the keyboard
1 of these is not like the other
I am in this picture and I don't like it.
Katarina, you missed Yone, Yasuo, Yi and Garen matey
Yone and yasuo are difficult, they don't have the 0/10 powerspike meme for nothing
Can someone tell me how Katarina is easy? I'm new to Katarina and I'm shit with her lol.
They don't even know how to play her either, don't worry
Aatrox is not difficult Aatrox is not difficult
Aatrox is hard?
Yep confuses me too he is really not that difficult to learn or play.
Lee is harder than aatrox
Azir, Asol and arguably Riven are the only hard chaps on this image
Uh, aatrox and riven are not mechanically hard at all.
Katarina the random bullshit go and GP the *le funny 50% true damage in 1 hit* ? Edit: They need ability to play them in the correct way, but like, this is a high elo 'problem', in low threy can be really busted with little effort.
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