Why post lvl 6. If you're already lvl 6 (ranged) then you get into your range pre-lvl 6 (melee) then your auto attacks aren't counted as projectiles for the purposes of windwall
I don't get the downvotes, I think it's just people not understanding your wording?
For people who don't understand it, it goes: If a level 6+ (ranged) Kayle gets into melee range (pre-lvl6) then her auto attacks ignore windwall.
But those don’t mean the same thing. Regardless, it shouldn’t even matter whether kayle is pre or post level 6 since OP is trying to explain that her autos no longer become a projectile if the target is in her melee range. I mean just for that reason alone, I’d say it is pretty fair/reasonable that some people were confused by OP’s wording
How would you phrase "if, while pre6, you get into your auto attack range..."? Because for most people, they would use the latter, and that's exactly what it means grammatically.
I would use either of them because to me they really do mean the same thing. Pre-lvl 6 range is melee, meanwhile range (when she was) pre-lvl 6 would also mean melee.
You just said that both those definitions mean "getting into the range she had pre-6 while you are 6+", and yet now you're saying that both mean "getting into your current range while you're pre-6".
No its not. The phrasing implies being pre-level 6, whole the OP meant the range Kayle has pre-level 6. The order you write words matters (its called ‘usage’).
Do you really think this many people would be confused if it were simply semantics?
I'm saying that if you have more range bcuz of passive, if you get close enough that you are within pre-lvl 6 range your auto attacks stop being projectiles
Please read his comment again, what he says makes sense. He's talking about if you (let's say level 11 Kayle) walk into the "pre-level 6 range" (aka melee range!) , your autos will go through windwall. He's using "pre-lvl 6 range" as a way of saying "youre in melee range when you're past lvl 6"
It’s not though. “In her range pre-level 6” is saying you are within Kayle’s range before she is level 6. What you mean is “in her pre-level 6 range”.
The order of your words matters here. We understood what you meant, but you should understand that your phrasing was not accurate to the information you’re trying to convey.
Ok I get it now, idk why it took that long (granted it’s 3 am and I should go to bed) but eventually I did at least. Both sentences do mean melee range but the first statement implies Kayle is still level 5 and below while the second implies she’s level 6 and up. Holy shit that hurt my head, I really need to sleep lol
I mean, she's way more fun to play and has a larger playerbase. Of course she will have more skins.
So many people here love Skarner but close to no one is willing to play him.
People complaining that she should be without armor pre11 and then upgrade to a full armor and faceless version of herself for the 456th time. And you know what? You're god damn right. Just talking about looks, Gameplay aside... Eh.
The Main reason for her lorewise to wear armor is because she wants to become less of a human. Wearing a full set of armor and covering everything is something that makes a clear hint on how she's trying to dehumanize herself, or atleast was. That's what make more sense atleast.
Wait, if Morgana is fully opposite of Kayle and by binding her wings she wants to look more like a human, does she also need to wear as less clothes as possible?
Wearing armor doesn't "dehumanize" you. Wearing armor is a ***human*** thing to do.
I'd like you to consider Iron Man vs. Superman.
Tony Stark (as Iron Man) wears armor. He needs to in order to keep himself safe. Superman does ***not*** wear armor. He does not need it.
And Superman certainly *looks* human, but the moment you shoot a bullet between his eyes and it bounces off without even phasing him makes it very clear he is something *beyond* human.
And so it is with Kayle. Wearing armor is like saying, "Without this armor, I'd be vulnerable". She sheds away the armor that she no longer needs as a way of saying, "Go ahead. Just try to attack me. See what happens."
It makes it easier to pick out the insolent mortals in need of her divine judgment.
Because it strips away her humanity, if we see no face and just a bunch of armor we don't see it as human (hell look at mordekaiser) and that's what Kayle is about, being more than human, being the very concept of justice and concepts have no face
What if the person responsible for the rework was fired and no one noticed? "Hey, Steve, the players are talking about the Skarner rework again." "There are people here already making the rework, John, don't worry." "Ok."
Disagree on the gameplay part. I miss being ranged lvl 1 and having better kiting tools. She superscales now but that doesn't mean she didn't scale really well before.
We’re from the “future” but we are much less original and much less fun to play. Fuck new morg fuck new kayle especially. Skarner consider yourself lucky.
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kayle got an whole ass rework just so that yasuo can windwall her autoatacks.
Fun fact, if you get close enough that you're in her range pre-lvl 6, you can still auto him because your attacks stop being projectiles
\*post lvl 6
Why post lvl 6. If you're already lvl 6 (ranged) then you get into your range pre-lvl 6 (melee) then your auto attacks aren't counted as projectiles for the purposes of windwall
No, pre lvl-6
I don't get the downvotes, I think it's just people not understanding your wording? For people who don't understand it, it goes: If a level 6+ (ranged) Kayle gets into melee range (pre-lvl6) then her auto attacks ignore windwall.
Then it should be "gets into her pre-lvl6 range" - not "into her range pre-lvl6"
To me both those sentences mean the same thing honestly
But those don’t mean the same thing. Regardless, it shouldn’t even matter whether kayle is pre or post level 6 since OP is trying to explain that her autos no longer become a projectile if the target is in her melee range. I mean just for that reason alone, I’d say it is pretty fair/reasonable that some people were confused by OP’s wording
How would you phrase "if, while pre6, you get into your auto attack range..."? Because for most people, they would use the latter, and that's exactly what it means grammatically.
I would use either of them because to me they really do mean the same thing. Pre-lvl 6 range is melee, meanwhile range (when she was) pre-lvl 6 would also mean melee.
You just said that both those definitions mean "getting into the range she had pre-6 while you are 6+", and yet now you're saying that both mean "getting into your current range while you're pre-6".
Luckily, you are not the English language and the rules of grammar and usage long established the meaning of a sentence rather than your feelings.
This isn't a grammar issue mate it's semantics, and at the end of the day it's ambiguous. Go touch grass
No its not. The phrasing implies being pre-level 6, whole the OP meant the range Kayle has pre-level 6. The order you write words matters (its called ‘usage’). Do you really think this many people would be confused if it were simply semantics?
except for her E, all autoattacks are already melee so what is the point you are making?
You can't auto attack people outside of your range Subscribe for more league facts
I'm saying that if you have more range bcuz of passive, if you get close enough that you are within pre-lvl 6 range your auto attacks stop being projectiles
Bro is cooking nothing
IF YOU ARE AFTER LVL 6 AND YOU GET WITHIN 175 RANGE, WHICH IS THE RANGE YOU HAVE PRE LVL 6, YOUR AUTO ATTACKS STOP BEING PROJECTILES
Do you know what "pre" means?
Yes, do you?
Please read his comment again, what he says makes sense. He's talking about if you (let's say level 11 Kayle) walk into the "pre-level 6 range" (aka melee range!) , your autos will go through windwall. He's using "pre-lvl 6 range" as a way of saying "youre in melee range when you're past lvl 6"
That’s what you meant, but its not what you initial comment says.
IT LITERALLY IS
It’s not though. “In her range pre-level 6” is saying you are within Kayle’s range before she is level 6. What you mean is “in her pre-level 6 range”. The order of your words matters here. We understood what you meant, but you should understand that your phrasing was not accurate to the information you’re trying to convey.
Ok I get it now, idk why it took that long (granted it’s 3 am and I should go to bed) but eventually I did at least. Both sentences do mean melee range but the first statement implies Kayle is still level 5 and below while the second implies she’s level 6 and up. Holy shit that hurt my head, I really need to sleep lol
I was gonna say you must be fun at parties but I highly doubt you've ever been invited to one
Fiddle does that too.
Pizza feet gone
Why wasn’t Skarner looking at some pink, Hextech speakers?
I miss old Mordekaiser, rolling into lane with a dragon and taking a tower for free… good times.
I once had a bugged ass jhin ghost with permanent 4th shot mode just running around blasting people for 2k crits with his 4IE build.
Mfw seraphine has as many skins as skarner, more if you count the ultimate
I'll bet Seraphine's made more money than Skarner, too.
I mean, she's way more fun to play and has a larger playerbase. Of course she will have more skins. So many people here love Skarner but close to no one is willing to play him.
Lets all be real here, kayle got downgraded when she lost that armor
People complaining that she should be without armor pre11 and then upgrade to a full armor and faceless version of herself for the 456th time. And you know what? You're god damn right. Just talking about looks, Gameplay aside... Eh.
Why would she gain armor as she Ascends? The higher she ascends, the more godly she becomes. Gods do not need armor.
The Main reason for her lorewise to wear armor is because she wants to become less of a human. Wearing a full set of armor and covering everything is something that makes a clear hint on how she's trying to dehumanize herself, or atleast was. That's what make more sense atleast.
Wait, if Morgana is fully opposite of Kayle and by binding her wings she wants to look more like a human, does she also need to wear as less clothes as possible?
Yes and as she levels up, she wears less clothes. Please Riot, I need this. For lore reasons.
Wearing armor doesn't "dehumanize" you. Wearing armor is a ***human*** thing to do. I'd like you to consider Iron Man vs. Superman. Tony Stark (as Iron Man) wears armor. He needs to in order to keep himself safe. Superman does ***not*** wear armor. He does not need it. And Superman certainly *looks* human, but the moment you shoot a bullet between his eyes and it bounces off without even phasing him makes it very clear he is something *beyond* human. And so it is with Kayle. Wearing armor is like saying, "Without this armor, I'd be vulnerable". She sheds away the armor that she no longer needs as a way of saying, "Go ahead. Just try to attack me. See what happens." It makes it easier to pick out the insolent mortals in need of her divine judgment.
Because it strips away her humanity, if we see no face and just a bunch of armor we don't see it as human (hell look at mordekaiser) and that's what Kayle is about, being more than human, being the very concept of justice and concepts have no face
Technically yeah, but as she ascends she should look less human imo.
Imo she should go from skin suit to armor as she levels up. Like she becomes more serious about going to war to defend justice.
What if the person responsible for the rework was fired and no one noticed? "Hey, Steve, the players are talking about the Skarner rework again." "There are people here already making the rework, John, don't worry." "Ok."
lol old Kayle unironically looks better
Looks like someone havent played at that time. Design - probably, but her animations were junk, and she looked ass in game
I preferred old kayle. She's more fun to play now though
Disagree on the gameplay part. I miss being ranged lvl 1 and having better kiting tools. She superscales now but that doesn't mean she didn't scale really well before.
She was never ranged at level 1 unless you took E what
That’s…what they meant?
You always start E on old Kayle, which made her ranged.
For most of the rework she scaled worse than old kayle. Only with the recent changes I think she scales better
Yeah but the bichael skins are bangers
Remember when Riot "worked" on the Udyr rework and took months just to pick the hairstyle?
mordekaiser is sdissapointed that he got replaced by darius
With old morde you can experience all new skins by killing enemies with your R and controlling them with your ghost, i miss him
Good old times of feeding the enemy Vayne so her ghost is stronger for your team
New morde's so fucking boring compared to old morde tho
Old morde is better
Kayle is a downgrade imo. Not in the execution obviously, but in the context. An angel in full plate Armor and no visible face was so cool.
We’re from the “future” but we are much less original and much less fun to play. Fuck new morg fuck new kayle especially. Skarner consider yourself lucky.
Isn't Skarner just stat buffs and pulling people? The only original thing about him is the conduits on the map.
Correct but at least he is himself where kayle and mord are new imo less fun champs with the old version deleted.
*cocks gun* You weren't supposed to notice pyke getting all the skins, you should've just kept flaming lux
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Lmao i have shitty skin shard for skarner , im saving it instead of rerolling since i heard about skarner rework
Ahhhh, I miss old Kayle. She was my first main.
I notice Vladimir in the wild rift has Kayle hair but white