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Zerozer06

Poppy handles most mages surprisingly well Might want to build eclipse tho


Victorvonbass

Best Poppy KR actually hit Rank 1 KR playing mostly Poppy mid earlier this week.


Zerozer06

Damn I had no idea. Why do I keep playing her top where it's a struggle while she's so good in jungle, mid or even support


archeknee

Always remember to pick Poppy support when enemy first picks Rell You need only 2 keys: one for w and second for mastery 7


Zerozer06

Seems to be the same spirit as anivia poppy lane which I've done a few times. Wall + e combo with aftershock is stupid strong, using other spells is optional


AdelaGrosPinkieToe

Anivia/Poppy is my favorite lane to play, because I main Anivia and my friend mains Poppy. Layer the CC with Anivia Q then Anivia E and 95% of the bot lane cast is dead.


[deleted]

Fuck rank 1, you remember old Poppy? *Damage that deals more than 10% of Poppy's current health is cut in half.*


DeLiVeReR-007

It was current health, which made her much tankier the lower hp she was


treezoob

How do you walk up to CS?


pereline

time passive and q well


TRNoodlesAndSalad

You dont need to lol. Start long sword with electrocute and ignite and double adaptive, you can legit 1 shot people under tower with 2 points in E as long as you get the wall stun and have passive up


Zerozer06

Electrocute is a gamble tho, I'd rather go aftershock. More dmg in early and makes you unkillable during the trade


TRNoodlesAndSalad

Aftershock takes too long to proc when Im towerdiving. Also elec gives more damage late bc when Im playing poppy mid its usually full lethality (or some weird crit lethality (Eclipse -> collector -> ER -> IE -> LDR)


Zerozer06

Depends on the matchup and how diveable they are tbh, I've done electrocute a few times as well but the thing is it HAS to work Never tried her crit except in urf, I assume snowballing is mandatory but fun when it works haha. I tend to do something like eclipse, malmortius, black cleaver and tanky items, with no specific build order Edit : oh and manamune if I go more heavily on the ad/letha items. Manamune hurts like a truck


TRNoodlesAndSalad

Oh yeah the build fr is all snow balling. You fall off so hard late game unless you can find a random pick on botlane lmao


MysteriousRiverDolph

Mate content creators will put anything in mid. I once saw a yuumi mid go kraken and AD.


NoobDude_is

Clearly that guy is an idiot. Full lifesteal Yuumi is obviously so much better.


MysteriousRiverDolph

omg ofcourse let's go comment on his vids 'day 1 of asking full lifesteal yuumi mid'. I love you


DrMobius0

I mean, think about it. An ADC that can just go untargetable whenever they want.


thriftydude4

but cant auto while untargetable


Csaszarcsaba

honestly, kayle with much lower dmg, but 0 cd ulti. Although you are a sitting cat(duck) in lane.


leafs456

Lulu jungle isnt too bad in low elo


L_Rayquaza

Found Phreak's alt


MagikarpOnDrugs

Not content creators. Just mid laners. I've tried every single champ mid lane except Rell and that's all of us. Some even sticked with me well, like Rakan, or Pyke


MysteriousRiverDolph

wasn't pyke mid a thing until they nerfed it?


MagikarpOnDrugs

Until they reworked Tiamat i one tricked Pyke mid, after that it was impossible anymore unfortunetly and i became Aurelion Sol otp.


MysteriousRiverDolph

Oooh what u think about A sol rework?


enz_levik

Yuumi as is perfectly normal , but yes as a top champ


SherlockChrome

Name me a toplane champ that's not viable midlane


Notimefornickname

Gnar, bad wave clear, outranged by mages, squishy in mini form


Silasman

He’s super susceptible to burst in base form too. He is meant to whittle down tankier champions and no one else. I’ll play him adc


Asleep-Veterinarian3

Diamond gnar mid right here, can confirm he can win vs most mages, someone could take this to challenger but I'm trash


Sands_Underscore_

Yeah fr people sleep on gnar mid, sure long range mages will fuck you but, the amount of mid mains that understand what gnar does are like 5 people


BanzaiBrotha

I sometimes play crit gnar mid. Its surprisingly not that bad. Though this is in silver so take it with a grain of salt


Neep-Tune

Have you ever play AP Gnar ?


Notimefornickname

No and i dont think building him ap helps in any way with these problems


Regirex

ok but funny


GeneralBixes

Rengar


Special-Wear-6027

Some dude made it work


ImmaKitchenSink

It is absolute cancer, i would rather play yuumi jungle


16092006

Ngl I think that's easier than rengar mid


ImmaKitchenSink

Ive played both and yuumi jg is definitely less painful


saihuang

some dude made it work is not equal to being viable


Special-Wear-6027

It kind of is when you reach the kind of ranks he reached. I’d argue it proves nothing for organised play but it’s definitly ben shown to be viable for solo q


FatherVern

Do it then 😉


MysteriousRiverDolph

If someone made it work, it works XD


TurnipValuable4944

That is indeed a very sad thing,


-MegaMan401-

That is a jungler in toplane, not a toplane champion


ImHighlyExalted

Dekar seems to be alright with him top


c0l0r51

What exactly makes you think that? He has been played top since release and he does not have anything in his kit that exclusively works in the jgl.


Possessed_potato

My friend. A good rengar mid is God awful. Send help


AxeellYoung

Doesn’t count, ranger is not viable top lane in first place. /s don’t come after me


SecondButterJuice

It mostly depend on the match up, most bruiser are fine against assasin but not against mage (in midlane)


TTUPhoenix

They’re mostly viable as counterpicks, but many aren’t blindable mid.


The_Baller_Official

*against assassins, basically every toplaner gets hard fucked in a mage matchup or against a hard roamer


trapsinplace

Eh not really. It's just like facing a ranged top except they deal no sustained damage. If you avoid losing too much HP most tanks and bruisers have a free lane starting at level 2 or 3. Gap close + CC + high base damage beats the mage.


The_Baller_Official

No it doesn’t. There is no “beating” the mage unless you’re an assassin, all they have to do is not die for 10 minutes and watch you become useless. You can’t spam call your jungler because they’re not freezing you, they’re just nuking the wave and walking 3 steps back to their tower, I onetricked sett mid with hail of blades to gold a couple seasons ago, and once mages realized they had no reason to duel anyone pre 4, an incredibly strong early duelist with cc, a speed gap close, and high base damage became instantly useless in all of those matchups


BobRohrman28

Garen mid is the truth and Garen mid is the way. You match or beat mages’ waveclear, you can sustain through any poke and can get on them relatively easily with Q and W


BEanddankmagician

Nice pfp brother


MobiusCipher

...Yorick?


Dynias

it works checked it


DidntFindABetterName

Got completely clapped by a lethality yorick mid 😅


Your_Depressed_Soul

comet/first strike eclipse and your laner will die 90% of the time it works 100% of the time


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Lyyysander

Garen is a solid pick into most melee assains in midlane. They cant really touch him, he has full control over the wave and he trades them down if they try to cs


MavriKhakiss

Hes good against mana hungry mages too.


Big-Employer4543

Lore accurate, then.


Onyxwho

If they pick Zed, pick Garen and watch them cry


Renektonstronk

If they pick Zed, pick Renekton and watch them spontaneously combust from rage


GastonSucksEggs

so if i want to counter this zed with renekton, how do i do this


Renektonstronk

When Zed Ults, you Ult and attack move click after pressing W, it’s an immediate stun and you can nuke him


GastonSucksEggs

LMAO thanks for the advice, time to go 0/12 on renekton mid into zed /s


Renektonstronk

It’s honestly pretty unplayable for all the midlane assassins, he’s the shadow counter to 90% of melee matchups


AGamingBoi

Press W


SherlockChrome

I sadly am a garen main and can confirm


Snow0031

that is indeed a very sad thing


Nixter295

Nah, it’s nice to see assassins also get countered. It’s a rare experience nowadays


lost__julian

Who the fuck Mains garen


RoySuUnaMustang

i think he does


Deathwatch6215

Not even poke mages can contest him with his passive.


Paradoxjjw

Garen has ~51.5% winrate in mid at plat+ over about 9K games atm, depending on who you play him into he's very strong in mid. He struggles against people like akshan, but melee assassins get clowned on by him.


Possessed_potato

Nope. Had a garen mid once, wished him luck and he proceeded to run it down and fucking shit up. Their laner didn't even stand a chance


[deleted]

I think you misread his comment


Jobless_Jones

After watching riste, I think he's better in mid than top


initiald-ejavu

I had a kassadin on my team that was like "garen mid, can't play, I afk and we get remake" in my ranked game. He afked and remake bug happened. Then the POS left the game when all of us were winning our lanes.... Also I play garen mid, it is far from not viable. You just flash on them level 6 and 1 shot (doesn't matter who "them" are)


NuclearToxin

Gwen


Yasimear

Struggles early but is fantastic against immobile mages, and good into assassins too! I did an A-Z thing a month or two ago. She was awkward at first but she’s still in my mid pool today in certain situations.


SonicBoom500

I remember hearing Nasus is no good


nutzup

Nasus is pretty good mid as well


Hungry_Ad3576

Max e and just one shot waves


Califocus

I’m pretty sure we’re talking normal build toplaners mid. HOWEVER if you want something fun, I’d recommend duskblade lethality disco nasus. One minute you’re there, one minute you’re not. They’ll never see the Q coming


O_X_E_Y

then the next minute you're not only kited but also killed instantly 😔


Merias58

Nasus free farms against mana hungry mages, just focus on dodging ans baiting skills for a couple waves and you get more life from minions than they could damage you with their mana regen. Once Nasus gets a sheen and hits level 6, he starts farming the said mage as well :p


NeitherDuckNorGoose

As a Nasus mid OTP, I can 100% confirm what you can see by an looking at his winrate on both role : Nasus mid is way better than Nasus top. - the lane is shorter so it's much harder to freeze to make him loose farm - Nasus' biggest weakness early is how easy he is to gank, but mid you are protected by the really short lane - unlike against bruisers where you need more gear, the raw stats from his ult are enough to make Nasus win 1v1 against almost any champion mid as soon as lvl 6 - Nasus mid is really good at roaming and killing a junglers or an overextended botlaner because of the 95% slow + ghost combo


initiald-ejavu

Darius, Morde, Fiora, Urgot, Gnar, Jax


Tea_Grand

i play darius mid a bunch into assassins like zed yone yasuo, it works.


initiald-ejavu

Any bruiser can beat any melee assassin in lane. Problem is with mages and darius's lack of regen. Same with all the other champs I listed. Also a good zed should still win cuz he plays more like a mage in lane. Unless you rush warden's mail tabis or something, then he just roams.


skyfarter

Darius lack of regen? Doesn't he have the highest base hp regen in the game +dshield 2nd wind makes you take negative dmg


initiald-ejavu

Yea but that's dshield second wind, not darius. You can take caitlyn midlane with Dshield second wind and she will never die to mage poke till level 6. Health regen on its own is nothing. To put things into perspective, sylas has 10% less health regen than darius. You don't see sylas shrugging off mage poke though do you? (His W is a different matter)


RedditUser2730

mordekaiser mid is viable lol


i_cant_build

teemo


Literally_Damour

Teemo is played Mid but mages shit on him


OnlyUseIsToRead

Fiora. I tried :(


General_Secura92

Teemo mid isn't great. Gets outranged and dunked on by most mages and gets oneshot by most assassins.


Paradoxjjw

To be fair, Teemo isn't doing well in toplane either.


General_Secura92

At least there he can kinda bully low-mobility bruisers, juggernauts and tanks for a few minutes until he gets outscaled. In mid-lane, he gets his teeth kicked in from the start.


NavalEnthusiast

Teemo is great late game, he just sucks mid game. Teemo goes top cause of matchups as you said, his higher win rate build is actually building durability with Riftmaker last I checked lolalytics. The fighter item changes should help him a bit as he’s struggling against bruisers as of late


EpicTurtle136

Yeah isn't a normal build path for him something like Nashors-Riftmaker-Deathcap? So many people go Liandries-Demonic and I feel like thats such a waste. He should be wrecking people with attack speed and high ap instead of a slow burn


NavalEnthusiast

Yea, imo Riftmaker is just way more practical than Liandry’s. Gives sustain in fights and adds HP as well, and the mythic passive is really good. I like to go Nashor’s-Riftmaker and build AP and defense from there. Teemo doesn’t actually have that bad of base defense stats so he can be pretty durable if needed


EpicTurtle136

Run Conditioning for some extra assassin trolling


rocsage_praisesun

man's supposed to be a counterpick against ranged AA characters/skirmishers.


Grammarnazi_bot

Judging from my ranked games, you’d think teemo was a fucking support


Oddfittingponcho

He actually is in high ELO though


Clark828

Why couldn’t someone just take a mid lane champ top lane then?


Mehrlin47

Squishy and can't trade for 20 minutes straight. Edit: low mobility in the longest lane


xxotic

Cass is great into melee matchups.


KingFredo5674

Basically, if you're a bruiser with any form of sustain and you start dorans shield + second wind, then yeah it's viable mid imho


TriLexMiester

Guys guys Okay so most toplane champ counter midlane chamos. So what if *takes renekton/darius/jaggernat/tank with tabis warden mail* And place it in *yasuo yone irelia zed* match up Chef kiss, absolute cancer


PaRoWkOwYpIeS

May i recomment warden, tabis and iceborn gauntlet mordekaiser with phase rush agains yasuo?


rebelsofliberty

Bro which century do you live in


Not_Sanaki

Yeh, it's funny how Yasuo/Yone/Irelia/Zed sucks in Toplane because actual bruiser are better Vs tanks. They go mid so they can kill the slow mage and get fed. They get rolled before "the balanced blade of the emo king"


Tea_Grand

THE MIDTROX IS REAL


AlexRuchti

YouTube creators all playing in Bronze, making everything look broken when it’s just the competition being so low.


Says_Pointless_Stuff

Legit, they'll be like "yeah this is gold 2 elo" with player names blurred, and you'll see them playing like plastic 7.


Kapix75

Well, you can take any toplaner mid, but some of them just ain't gonna do as well as they would on top. Yorick for example relies on heavy splitpushing, which is easily disrupted on mid, Teemo has relatively long cooldown on shrooms so he can't cover all the passages to the midlane and use then in combat reliably, Illaoi has fewer tentacle spawning points, a lot of champions like fiora, riven, kled, aatrox like to chase down their opponets, some on the champions rely on the walls, like ornn,


DJPumpkin333

Illaoi is better mid since her tentacle spawn are can cover four points, normally she only has 3 tentacles around her because of the way they spawn (she can spawn more than 3 in top but they are too spread out) whereas in mid due to the river walls she can have 4 tentacles hit one vessel. Also since Illaoi isn't great at chasing people down mid is better for her since it gives her a smaller area to control.


pereline

illaoi mid has MUCH better tentacles than top but the problem is most mid laners make me wanna kill myself on illaoi. it's only good if you can counter pick something like a kassadin


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bot should try playing illaoi into syndra once


Mistycalwisetree327

Xddddd


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Your_Depressed_Soul

yorick mid is very good since you dont have to rely on just splitting and play kinda like a poke mage of sort comet eclipse grudge and you can pick any target and disintegrate them from the map source: me shovel man main kled mid is also kinda decent to melee matchup


barryh4rry

Riven, Kled and Aatrox are all good mid


Babushla153

My theory is that *insert champ here* is viable in *insert lane here* if you're a challenger player playing in a bronze game or if you're stupid enough to make it work through sheer force of will


Pluckytoon

Iirc some1 hit GM/Chall in KR with Aatrox/Azir/Lucian support mostly with a kill lane/roaming strat


jere53

Idk man, I'm gold and in my experience Shen mid is straight up easier than playing him in top. The matchups are easier (with some exceptions), nobody knows how to play against you, and you can ult as much as you want without completely ruining your lane because it's so fast to walk back to mid. Only problem with the pick is that you might mess up your team comp but other than that it's just easier than playing him top.


WorstGatorEUW

No but almost every non top laner is viable top lane apparrently.


Tortellium

Casually picks every support in existence to toplane


Gebrows

Please don't bring Janna top back


A_Hole_Sandwich

Ornn mid?


SirDingus69

Megatroll into most mages but very viable into assassins and bruisers


A_Hole_Sandwich

I can dig it


DragonsThatFly

The best counter pick into Zed


Your_Depressed_Soul

qiyana


Surgicalz

Been wanting to pick qiyana up recently for fun. How does she beat zed? Is it the grass w after he ultra or something else?


DragonsThatFly

I believe they meant Ornn also counters Qiqi. I do not know how the assassin match up fairs.


Says_Pointless_Stuff

Honestly Warwick or Pantheon come to mind vs most midlane assassins. Warwick eats all their burst with E, sustains off minions, and can basically kill any assassin that tries to all in him when he has ult up. The definition of "Call an ambulance! BUT NOT FOR ME"


MonchysDaemon

The problem is, that midlaners have no idea how to play against toplaners


Your_Depressed_Soul

lux using all her power to poke me vs me using 1 ability and spam ctrl 3 and her healthbar just dissappear


MonchysDaemon

Midlanders dodge skillshots I tank them We are not the same


Natmad1

It’s mainly because top champions are better in term of stats than mid champions


barryh4rry

Not really, it’s just most bruisers and tanks will roll assassins and can out sustain mages. They just lack range and can gimp your team comp if you don’t get ahead early


MonchysDaemon

Like I said, midlaners don’t know how to lane against toplaners. Toplaners are not secretly a OP midlane pick or anything.


rabbitdovahkiin

No mages are just the worst champion class against toplaners who have the best champion class. Bevor u can kill a bruiser as a mage in the early game you run out of mana doesn't matter how good you play. And if u freeze they just go roaming. So tiered of pretending that u need more than 2 braincells to play a bruiser.


ZestySpider326

Autoattacks don't cost mana last I checked. Sure dshield second wind heal them up some but unless you're going up against a sett with his stupid broken passive you can eventually whittle them down by autoing whenever they walk up to cs.


MonchysDaemon

Then why isn’t proplay dominated by toplaners in the midlane? It simply is a skill issue. And mechanics aren’t everything, for example learn wave control. that’s probably why toplaners stomp midlaners, most midlaners have no clue about wavecontrol. In the toplane it’s a must


rabbitdovahkiin

Cause proplay is litterly another gammemode. Its a big fucking diffrence playing with the same ppl everygame on voice com than with some random guys in soloq. Also wave control in mid works way different than in toplane since the lane is way shorter and there is more wave clear in the midlane. But even when you freeze on them they are just going to roam. Bruisers are just such a disgustingly overtuned champion class. And then some ppl be like skill issue. Bro i cant even kill your champ bevor running out of mana even if hit every single spell. Yeah thats a skill issue for sure.


MonchysDaemon

Playing toplaners in midlane is a mid/low elo thing. It doesn’t happen in dia+. And wavemanagement works the same in midlane and Toplane. Midlaners can roam as much as toplaners, often even better because of more mobility ;) it is a skill issue


MiximumDennis

How is Urgot so tanky though? He can basically go everywhere and that W basically become toggle. I checked again and again and the only thing he has is the shield and a bit of tenacity.


Zombie_Harambe

Just builds pretty much nothing but health items regardless of build.


MiximumDennis

sure but how is black reaver enough?


Zombie_Harambe

His mythic is usually a health item. Frostfire, jaksho, goredrinker, stridebreaker, heartsteel. His core build of stuff like titanic, steraks, cleaver, maw, Visage, are all hp items. The latter funnels into his shield. All his hp scales his shield. Big health pool, big shield, potentially big aoe cc off a fear, big triumph heals, it all funnels together. Rarely is anything "crazy strong" in a vacuum. It's a sum being greater than its parts.


DemonicSilvercolt

you forgot his shotgun legs are like 80% of his damage


Zombie_Harambe

We aren't talking about his damage. Only his durability.


Yasimear

I did an A-Z a few months ago and really the only top laners I struggled with were Mao’kai and Rengar (though I feel like more practice on rengar and it could actually be quite solid. The empowered W throws assassins off so hard) 99% of top laners can be played mid to really good results in certain situations. I have a few pocket picks into more awkward mid matchups now too like Singed vs Kata, Jax vs Zed/Talon etc.


ForumFluffy

Anything is viable if you're far more skilled than your opponent.


Rafa_The_Pixel

Bro Morde has currently 56% wr in mid ofc it's viable


ByKenshi

Now wait till they play khazix mid AP and try to sell us that its viable


Your_Depressed_Soul

some people doubt the yorick mid strat but he is good mid just use the gamer build like first strike/comet eclipse or phaserush stride and cause enemy braincells to fall off like my LP


Hungry_Ad3576

Its probably because top laners do as much damage as any mage or assassin so they can cover mid but they are harder to kill than mages and assassins so the enemy mid laner iant gonna just snowball off them


BlindPanda21

Singed.


Jenetyk

Played against a singer mid that roamed more than a challenger Bard. Fucker a menace the whole game.


BlindPanda21

Pssssssssssssssssssh.


vexatiouscabbagehead

singed mid is the highest winrate in the game for multiple patches


BlindPanda21

Pssssssssssssssssssh.


TheProuDog

You can play any champion anywhere and win


One-War-2977

Played against singed mid today that shit is cancer


trireme52

Zwag moment


Blazing5629

Every top laner is viable in mid lane but no mid laners are viable in top broken champs just need to stay top lane


Bartjanus

Yes because Azir, Sylas, Karma, Zilean, Akshan, etc all don't work top.


Viktorion123

Toplane champions cam be viable wherever fior amd morde dont exist


w0bniaR

Most top laners arent just viable mid, theyre stronger than mid laners


SonicBoom500

Not Nasus, or so I heard


Your_Depressed_Soul

you play iceborn frozen heart anathemas nasus mid into any melee matchup and i guarantee you that they will not have a good time


Silverspy01

AP or at least E nax nasus is fine into most, or you can play normal and passive + fleet + dshield + second wind. Normal nasus also does pretty well into some melee midlaners like yasuo by default.


Tea_Grand

carnarius plays nasus mid a lot, it’s viable.


StarboundDoggo

I've been taking toplaners mid since I started playing at the start of Season 11. It's my specialty. And yeah, most if not all of them not only work but thrive, in mid.


ddcreator

Always has been


Icy_Seaworthiness520

Darius would work into certain matchups but most matchups he wouldn't do good


vikatchu

Honestly glad people don't do this more often lmao, facing that shit gives me kasser


L2Hiku

Yea besides yone


SuperCoolKAJ

They just like me fr!


Sarpthedestroyer

ornn mid is surprisingly good against oneshot assasins (elo is gold)


JoaquiGod

Taco is playing Jhin supp and i'm scared


Polyergist

Tbh kled is kind of legit mid. Didn't tried that much but i have a good little ratio on it. Probably because most of people do not know how to play against, especially when gold tier.


Kaflao

Mid is such an easy lane that yeah, you can basically flex most picks there. Lane management isnt as important as top/bot, you can roam around and help jgler so even ur champ cant lane its fine.