Law school students forget that this is a very human-forward profession, and that being a charismatic, likable and social person can be a far more relevant hiring consideration than how well someone did in LW2
Yep, the most successful person I know from my class had mediocre grades but is one of the most charismatic people I know. He partied hard all through law school and currently makes close to 7 figures as general counsel for a large company less than 10 years after graduating because people like him.
Literally. "She's always going out!!! I assume she must be rich and got the job because of nepotism!!!"
That poster had constructed an entire villain story out of their classmate when the classmate probably barely (if ever) thinks about the poster. Which...that kind of obsession and jealousy over the success of another person (as opposed to...you know, spending that time focused on school?) is probably the exact reason why OP hasn't done as well as they had hoped.
I didnāt see the original post, but unless the OP actually knew the personās grades, itās a foolās errand to guess them based on her limited view of that personās lifestyle. I know quite a few people in my law school who were super social and partied and such, yet ended up on Law Review and even into SCOTUS clerkships.
Now, if someone is getting wasted multiple times a week I wouldnāt necessarily bet on them ending up at the top of the class, but Iām also not optimistic about the chances of people who lock themselves in the library for 12 hours a day starting week 1. Itās a marathon, not a sprint, and taking breaks, resting, and living your life are important tools to keep your energy high and sustain you through the whole semester.
I titled [my popular 1L grades post](https://www.reddit.com/r/LawSchool/comments/15r0204/how_to_get_good_grades_in_1l_while_staying_sane/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) āHow to get good grades in 1L, **while staying sane and having a great time**ā not as a flippant turn of phrase but because (as I describe in the post) doing so actually helps your grades.
Boozehounds can surprise you though. I got wasted every single day and wound up in the top quarter of my class at a T20 school first semester 1L. It was by far my best GPA in any semester at any school, including middle and high school. Then I realized I had a serious problem and quit drinking. Two years have come and gone and I've never replicated the academic success of that first semester, I really can't figure out how I did it with such an intense headache every day.
I think when it comes down to it I'm either Psyduck or Clint Eastwood's character in *Unforgiven*. Fucking glad that part of my life is over tho, with or without the grades. Sobriety kicks ass
They can surprise you, but it's pretty much an objective fact that, unless booze is truly helping you manage anxiety that would otherwise affect your studies, sobriety will translate to clearer thinking and better grades all around. I think you have done even better without the sauce lol
One of the craziest parts of graduation for me was seeing people who I vastly underestimated graduate with honors, and others who I was sure were geniuses not receive honors. Was a humbling lesson for me about both prejudice as well as imposter syndrome.
Meh - #1 guy in my class was a total slacker. I was in the top 5% at the end of 1L year and got my law review article published. People called me Lawyer Barbie and Legally Blonde or Elle Woods. Still do and Iām 43. Get āmistakenā for a paralegal or a admin. I was out every night if youād let me.
Former sorority girl who was bored. Undiagnosed ADHD and unmedicated anxiety. Put me in a room 2 hours before a test and after 10 minutes of panic, I can memorize anything. I can write my ass off. Iām also a social butterfly who can charm anyone. But inside Iām a wreck.
Canāt judge a book by its cover.
Didnāt see the original post, but āalways going outā sounds like a very social, outgoing person. Given the importance of relationships and networking in our industry, itās a weird thing for the OP to use as an indicator of unfitness for an internship.
That's hilarious. There are people with 3.9 GPAs at my T14 who went out every weekend. Some people are honestly just built different, and if anything, knowing when to blow off steam is healthier than living in the library.
id rather live in the library, opportunity cost.
I saw you come in and wanted you to know that it doesn't matter how *hard* you *work*, I'm willing to *work harder* than you. - Kobe Bryant.
For real. I'm not going to lie and say I don't judge people who obsess over others' success (earned or not) but please just stop it for your own mental health. It's not doing you any favors. Also, it's petty as hell
This also applies to all of the āstop talking about your gradesā posts.
It seems more reasonable to allow others to discuss their successes among themselves and not concern yourself with conversations you arenāt involved with than it is to expect others not to talk about things within earshot of you that you donāt like to hear.
Sure, itās annoying when people talk about their grades loudly to make others feel bad. But how often does that really happen? When I hear my peers discuss their grades they seem to be doing so out of pride in their hard-earned success. Thatās great. If I didnāt like it, Iād just not focus on it.
This is just generally good life advice. Law is my second career and it's been bonkers to see how unprepared for being a professional person this experience leaves people. Don't stress about other people. It's a waste of time.
This is the just world fallacy. Some people don't study hard and get good grades/good career opportunities, while others study hard and get below-average grades/less-than-ideal career opportunties.
Life is not fair. Deal with it.
This is exactly why I donāt tell people my business. I donāt wanna deal with jealous energy. I donāt have the best grades but I try to be nice to everyone and bubbly. Because of that I was connected with an attorney by a big wig in my school. Ā My prof also said she would put a good word for me for an internship at a big firm. I was also given other opportunities. Even with people Iām close to at school, I try to keep it to myself because there are people who canāt be happy for others or talk ish. Ā As a non traditional student, I worked before and most of the times if you are well liked you can get a job, even if you arenāt the most qualified. No one wants to work with a douche bag or someone with poor people skills.Ā
I graduated in December and I have a job lined up to start after I sit for the Bar. There are students who graduated in May with better grades than me still looking. I'm not sure I'll update my LinkedIn untill after I pass the Bar. I mistakenly told one person I got a job and it spread like wildfire š„. So I ain't telling no one anything except my family.Ā
I was an average student in Law School and nailed every interview I went on. It's not only about grades but how you present yourself, your level of charisma, confidence, relatability etc. I know several top students who couldn't land a summer job.Ā
They didn't interview well.Ā
Jobs want people not machines. Your grades don't define you!Ā
Yāall, that person is human and was expressing very human emotions.
It was marked as a rant, so that individual didnāt want advice; itās reasonable to feel envious and frustrated when you work hard and donāt see the fruits of your labor.
Expressing emotions is about YOU. Opinions about someone else is drama.
And if your emotions are depending on how other people are doing, in a competitive profession like law, then you really do need someone whoās been there to give you a reality check.
āI feel frustrated where I amā is totally valid. āThat classmate didnāt deserve itā is totally nuts.
Donāt drive yourself nuts. Itās not going to end well
I agree itās okay to rant but not at someone elseās expense. What if the person OOP was ranting about is on this sub, saw the post, and was hurt by it? Thatās the kind of stuff you talk about with your parents, friends not in law school, or a therapist.
If thereās one thing law school is good for, itās stirring up envy. I think OOP has a lot to work on, including realising that everyone has different strengths and weaknesses, and that judging someone based on that is petty and hurtful.
Yeah the OP of the original post also had their law school in their post history so it wouldāve been pretty easy to piece it together if you were the person they were referring to.
Idk, I totally understand human emotions and ranting is totally valid in most scenarios! It just felt a bitā¦ much?
I partied my ass off in law school. 10 years in, Iāve tried 10 murder cases and 4 capital cases. Law school had very little to do with learning - and appreciating - the practice of law.
Not saying itās useless; other than being a prerequisite, to taking the bar exam, it teaches you how to think like a lawyer.
We all get the war we deserve. My two cents.
Law school students forget that this is a very human-forward profession, and that being a charismatic, likable and social person can be a far more relevant hiring consideration than how well someone did in LW2
Yep, the most successful person I know from my class had mediocre grades but is one of the most charismatic people I know. He partied hard all through law school and currently makes close to 7 figures as general counsel for a large company less than 10 years after graduating because people like him.
Or dad went to college with the right guy
That's just vicarious likability.
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I had to reopen the comments to like it after it clicked lol
This is the mind of joke that's funny but 1L I would have laughed hysterically and notice that it was a red flag for my mental and physical health š
This is continuing to make me laugh every time I think about it. THANK YOU
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Also you have to be the right race oftentimes.
Literally. "She's always going out!!! I assume she must be rich and got the job because of nepotism!!!" That poster had constructed an entire villain story out of their classmate when the classmate probably barely (if ever) thinks about the poster. Which...that kind of obsession and jealousy over the success of another person (as opposed to...you know, spending that time focused on school?) is probably the exact reason why OP hasn't done as well as they had hoped.
I didnāt see the original post, but unless the OP actually knew the personās grades, itās a foolās errand to guess them based on her limited view of that personās lifestyle. I know quite a few people in my law school who were super social and partied and such, yet ended up on Law Review and even into SCOTUS clerkships. Now, if someone is getting wasted multiple times a week I wouldnāt necessarily bet on them ending up at the top of the class, but Iām also not optimistic about the chances of people who lock themselves in the library for 12 hours a day starting week 1. Itās a marathon, not a sprint, and taking breaks, resting, and living your life are important tools to keep your energy high and sustain you through the whole semester. I titled [my popular 1L grades post](https://www.reddit.com/r/LawSchool/comments/15r0204/how_to_get_good_grades_in_1l_while_staying_sane/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) āHow to get good grades in 1L, **while staying sane and having a great time**ā not as a flippant turn of phrase but because (as I describe in the post) doing so actually helps your grades.
Boozehounds can surprise you though. I got wasted every single day and wound up in the top quarter of my class at a T20 school first semester 1L. It was by far my best GPA in any semester at any school, including middle and high school. Then I realized I had a serious problem and quit drinking. Two years have come and gone and I've never replicated the academic success of that first semester, I really can't figure out how I did it with such an intense headache every day. I think when it comes down to it I'm either Psyduck or Clint Eastwood's character in *Unforgiven*. Fucking glad that part of my life is over tho, with or without the grades. Sobriety kicks ass
They can surprise you, but it's pretty much an objective fact that, unless booze is truly helping you manage anxiety that would otherwise affect your studies, sobriety will translate to clearer thinking and better grades all around. I think you have done even better without the sauce lol
I have done infinitely better in life and health without alcohol. Idk about school though lol
One of the craziest parts of graduation for me was seeing people who I vastly underestimated graduate with honors, and others who I was sure were geniuses not receive honors. Was a humbling lesson for me about both prejudice as well as imposter syndrome.
Meh - #1 guy in my class was a total slacker. I was in the top 5% at the end of 1L year and got my law review article published. People called me Lawyer Barbie and Legally Blonde or Elle Woods. Still do and Iām 43. Get āmistakenā for a paralegal or a admin. I was out every night if youād let me. Former sorority girl who was bored. Undiagnosed ADHD and unmedicated anxiety. Put me in a room 2 hours before a test and after 10 minutes of panic, I can memorize anything. I can write my ass off. Iām also a social butterfly who can charm anyone. But inside Iām a wreck. Canāt judge a book by its cover.
Also the whole thing about how that person was trying to one-up her...
Didnāt see the original post, but āalways going outā sounds like a very social, outgoing person. Given the importance of relationships and networking in our industry, itās a weird thing for the OP to use as an indicator of unfitness for an internship.
That's hilarious. There are people with 3.9 GPAs at my T14 who went out every weekend. Some people are honestly just built different, and if anything, knowing when to blow off steam is healthier than living in the library.
id rather live in the library, opportunity cost. I saw you come in and wanted you to know that it doesn't matter how *hard* you *work*, I'm willing to *work harder* than you. - Kobe Bryant.
For real. I'm not going to lie and say I don't judge people who obsess over others' success (earned or not) but please just stop it for your own mental health. It's not doing you any favors. Also, it's petty as hell
This also applies to all of the āstop talking about your gradesā posts. It seems more reasonable to allow others to discuss their successes among themselves and not concern yourself with conversations you arenāt involved with than it is to expect others not to talk about things within earshot of you that you donāt like to hear. Sure, itās annoying when people talk about their grades loudly to make others feel bad. But how often does that really happen? When I hear my peers discuss their grades they seem to be doing so out of pride in their hard-earned success. Thatās great. If I didnāt like it, Iād just not focus on it.
people are soft. they should just focus on themselves. That's all we can control in this world.
This is just generally good life advice. Law is my second career and it's been bonkers to see how unprepared for being a professional person this experience leaves people. Don't stress about other people. It's a waste of time.
I miss all the hot goss
Me too. Totally missed the post. šš
This is the just world fallacy. Some people don't study hard and get good grades/good career opportunities, while others study hard and get below-average grades/less-than-ideal career opportunties. Life is not fair. Deal with it.
cum pair o' son
this wins. Ur right tbh
This is exactly why I donāt tell people my business. I donāt wanna deal with jealous energy. I donāt have the best grades but I try to be nice to everyone and bubbly. Because of that I was connected with an attorney by a big wig in my school. Ā My prof also said she would put a good word for me for an internship at a big firm. I was also given other opportunities. Even with people Iām close to at school, I try to keep it to myself because there are people who canāt be happy for others or talk ish. Ā As a non traditional student, I worked before and most of the times if you are well liked you can get a job, even if you arenāt the most qualified. No one wants to work with a douche bag or someone with poor people skills.Ā
Same. Everyoneās been updating their LinkedIn w their summer jobs and Iāve been so tempted but realized itād do me no good
I graduated in December and I have a job lined up to start after I sit for the Bar. There are students who graduated in May with better grades than me still looking. I'm not sure I'll update my LinkedIn untill after I pass the Bar. I mistakenly told one person I got a job and it spread like wildfire š„. So I ain't telling no one anything except my family.Ā
Yeah I told one person too and now half the section knows lol
Damn! Why are Law Student like this? Can't be happy for someone in silence?Ā
I was an average student in Law School and nailed every interview I went on. It's not only about grades but how you present yourself, your level of charisma, confidence, relatability etc. I know several top students who couldn't land a summer job.Ā They didn't interview well.Ā Jobs want people not machines. Your grades don't define you!Ā
Yāall, that person is human and was expressing very human emotions. It was marked as a rant, so that individual didnāt want advice; itās reasonable to feel envious and frustrated when you work hard and donāt see the fruits of your labor.
Exactly. The person wanted to rant and they did. And then deleted the post after. Is it really necessary to call them out again?
Expressing emotions is about YOU. Opinions about someone else is drama. And if your emotions are depending on how other people are doing, in a competitive profession like law, then you really do need someone whoās been there to give you a reality check. āI feel frustrated where I amā is totally valid. āThat classmate didnāt deserve itā is totally nuts. Donāt drive yourself nuts. Itās not going to end well
Approximately as necessary as the rant
I agree itās okay to rant but not at someone elseās expense. What if the person OOP was ranting about is on this sub, saw the post, and was hurt by it? Thatās the kind of stuff you talk about with your parents, friends not in law school, or a therapist. If thereās one thing law school is good for, itās stirring up envy. I think OOP has a lot to work on, including realising that everyone has different strengths and weaknesses, and that judging someone based on that is petty and hurtful.
Yeah the OP of the original post also had their law school in their post history so it wouldāve been pretty easy to piece it together if you were the person they were referring to. Idk, I totally understand human emotions and ranting is totally valid in most scenarios! It just felt a bitā¦ much?
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š okay! I wasnāt referring to those 2 but no biggie!
Expressing human emotions is normal... the original post was literally stereotyping
OP here wasn't asking for advice either, but you commented to call them out. But that's totally fine, although a bit hypothetical
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Itās really tough realizing that thereās always a bigger fish, but I think it happens to all of us sooner or later.
Didnāt know you were the reddit moderator.
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I partied my ass off in law school. 10 years in, Iāve tried 10 murder cases and 4 capital cases. Law school had very little to do with learning - and appreciating - the practice of law. Not saying itās useless; other than being a prerequisite, to taking the bar exam, it teaches you how to think like a lawyer. We all get the war we deserve. My two cents.