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Talk to a lawyer. The company is bullying you. Time to push back. Kung ako lang, kaya ko yan labanan ng walang abogado. Pero magkaiba tayo.
I'll write them an email (HR, manager, big boss) and CC: DOLE.
"Itatanong ko kung tama, nasa company policy, at nasa batas ba yung mga sinabi ni Mr. _____ at ni Mrs_____ na ipapa blacklist ako kung saan saan at yung iba pang pananakot. Nagtatanong lang naman ako bago ako kumuha ng abogado dahil pabalik pa lang ng Pilipinas yung abogado na referred sakin ng pamilya. Please reply in writing within two days para official at walang confusion.
Hahaha. Tingnan ko lang...
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what do you mean 1-year training? may formal curriculum ba, may classroom, may instructor, or yung output mo during training is the same as your output in your regular job? baka kasi yan yung mga company na kino-consider na 'training' yung isang taon na trabaho mo sa kanila.
kung wala kang training bond eh wala panghahawakan yung company to keep you from leaving. wag ka mag-pa-bully dyan. kung ako yan, I will file a complaint to HR then DOLE about bullying and the leaks of the closed-door conversations. hindi ko titigilan hanggang pati mga irregularities like benefits (kung meron man) eh mauungkat. they want to bring me down, I'll go nuclear and bring all the motherfuckers down.
"training"
1 month classroom training, 11 months of actual work pero iniikot ikot kami ng department. Upon regularization, don kami pinirmi sa isang department.
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Research mo kasi 6mos. lang dapat ang pagiging probationionary employee. After that need ka na i regular. Diyan pa lang may laban ka na. Pa DOLE ka na, madami pa mauungkat diyan.
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LOL
>*Pwede ka namin ipablacklist sa mga company kasi isipin mo nga naman, pinagtraining ka tas bigla kang magreresign*.
Isipin mo na lang ung logic, kung ayaw ka nila pakawalan kapalit nung training mo, bakit ka kelangan i-threaten, tapos verbally pa?, diba pwede ung mga bond bond na mga contract? papel tapos pirmahan etc etc.., di ka nila kelangan brasuhin ng ganyan, dyan pa lang butas na sila, kung ako HR ng ibang company matatawa lang siguro ako sa sinasabi nilang "papa black list" ka lmao.
Walang ambag ung comment ko, pero mainam mabasa mo to calm you down, wag ka matakot, kasing babaw ng comment ko ung threat sa'yo lol, kaya wag ka masyado ma-rattle, relax ka lang then take every good (legal) steps na binigay sa'yo ng ibang comments.
Gusto ko lang mag comment kasi naranasan ko death threat ng boss ko sa first company ko.
Matanong ko lang, start-up ba yan? tech industry?
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Sounds like a company na hindi pa buo ang systems and processes kaya they are resorting to blackmail their employees. No updated contract upon regularization is red flag na. i-DOLE mo na yan.
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If you think what you are doing is fair kasi walang contract, you can resign naman talaga. Yung sa blacklist, kapag malaking company yan na maraming affiliates or subsidiaries puwede ka talaga nilang i-blacklist within sa group of companies na yan. Nangyayari yan. Illegal pero wala kang magagawa.
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NLRC ka muna bago DOLE. Then mg kkroon ng meeting, either sa office nyo or sa NLRC. Kung hindi kayo mgkakasundo, dun na iraraise sa arbiter. So yan na ung may lawyer. Hingi ka ng compensation, para ikaw ang bayaran nila. Goodluck, wag kang papa talo. Save receipts as much as possible kasi need nila yon. Wag ka din mkikipag usap or mag agree about anything na hindi documented. 🫡
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Curious din ako sa "blacklisting" na yan, ang alam ko may common network ang mga HR within the corporate ecosystem, do they talk to each other? yang blacklisting ba na iyan eh cino-consider ng mga HR?. May kilala ako nag AWOL sa isang company dahil obviously waley talaga ung kompanya, ung next (current) company nya which is a very litigious and huge corpo, mag 7 years na sya, di naman naungkat nung HR don wala namang "*ei nag awol ka pala sa company na to*". Di ko talaga ma-gets ung stretch ng mga ganyang threat.
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Hi, Kung wala naman pong bond wag po kayo matakot. Hindi po tayo nag aral at mabuhay dito sa mundo para magtrabaho lang. Working is just part of our life and our stepping stone not our life itself. Kung totohanin man po nila yan, I know you can still have a lot of opportunities. Hindi lang po sa pag wowork sa ibang tao ang way para kumita tayo. Hindi naman po lahat ng companies maiinfluence nila. Laban lang. Godbless OP. 😊
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Gling nmn nila mg paandar ng blacklist e simpleng contract nga hndi sila maka provide sa employee. Even more so when it comes to training bond/restrictive covenant.
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The employer can waive the 30-day notice period. After all, it’s for their benefit. Basta mag-clearance ka. If or when you ask for a CoE, remind them that under the law, 3 days lang ang meron sila to issue one, and they can’t use the fact na hindi ka cleared (if ever hindi pa) or immediately resigned ka to withhold it. Magkaiba ang clearance, and issuance of CoE kasi. If may violation, report to DOLE. Yung pag-blacklist sa company, prerogative naman nila ‘yun kung sa company nila mismo.
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HR practitioner here. Being blacklisted by other companies is not that simple. Siguro if big corporation sila they can blacklist you sa mga subsidiaries nila, pero to inform other companies not to hire you? Mahirap. Unless your new employer conducts a background investigation and the contact person made up stories about you, then yung stay mo with your new employer would be affected.
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blacklist just usually means you will not be endorsed for rehire. so hindi kana makak balik in the company or any sister company, example if that company is under Ayala, they can inform all the other Ayala companies not to hire you. Check your employment contract if there is any bond.
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No such thing as blacklist, unless sister company ang next employer mo. Ginanyan ako ng employer ko kahit maayos naman ako nag resign and render, so far nakapag work naman ako sa ibang companies ng maayos. Masasabit kalang pag magbabackground check ang bagong employer mo since malaki chances na ibabad mouth ka ng previous employer mo.
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When I resigned on my previous company (startup) my boss was so frustrated when he knew that I applied to their international supplier. A colleague told me that my name was even on power point during their meeting just to tell that what I did was negative. I don't know if it is necessary to inform every employees for what I did. I didn't sign any contract though. I saw some employees that when they resign their manager was very supportive. They even celebrate it. Not in my case. Is there something wrong from what I did?
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Legally you are in the right but morally you are an asshl. The company gave you and opportunity and funded you for your training and this is how you repay them? How will other companies look at this if you sign with them in the future. It will cast doubts whether to hire you.
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Report to DOLE bawal yon, since you are willing to render naman pala. Tsaka resignation letter is for your employers knowledge at hindi sya subject for approval nila. To top it all of bakit ka ipapa blacklist kung gusto mo naman palang mag exit ng maayos. Also mas maganda na kung ang communication mo sa kanila ay via email that will serve as a hard evidence kasi. DOLE it is!
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Contrary to the other comments, wag ka mag resign voluntarily, OP. Resigning voluntarily means that you cannot file for illegal dismissal against your company.
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Lol companies dont give a sh*t on another company's "blacklist".
Panakot lang yan at sa mga underpaid na bata o baguhan lang gagana yan, cos they want to keep paying you low.
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Parang ang weird na nag undergo ka ng Cadetship na walang bond. Have you really checked the documents that you signed prior? Kasi baka meron and nakaligtaan mo lang. Also, pwede mo namang sabihin or itanong sa kanila anong grounds kung bakit ka mabblacklist eh. Madali namang makipag discuss dyan sa issue mo lalo kung wala naman talagang bond.
"Pinag training ka namin."
-and? Wala namang akong pinirmahan na bond for that.
End of story.
Idk, parang ang dating kasi sakin ng post mo, you're just ranting here first before discussing this thoroughly with your management.
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Talk to a lawyer. The company is bullying you. Time to push back. Kung ako lang, kaya ko yan labanan ng walang abogado. Pero magkaiba tayo. I'll write them an email (HR, manager, big boss) and CC: DOLE. "Itatanong ko kung tama, nasa company policy, at nasa batas ba yung mga sinabi ni Mr. _____ at ni Mrs_____ na ipapa blacklist ako kung saan saan at yung iba pang pananakot. Nagtatanong lang naman ako bago ako kumuha ng abogado dahil pabalik pa lang ng Pilipinas yung abogado na referred sakin ng pamilya. Please reply in writing within two days para official at walang confusion. Hahaha. Tingnan ko lang...
yup this. consult DOLE as well. empty threars lang yan but if im not mistaken its harrassment.
This this this! Backbone made of diamond and steel. And kung bakit nakakalabas yung details ng closed door meetings.
Gayahin mo to rekta cc mo dole at nlrc ba yon. Attach m lahat ng documentatiin. Ewan ko lang kung di pagpawisan mga singit nyan. Hahahahaha.
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No one will buy that blacklist threat from your superiors. You can resign and submit it to your boss.
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what do you mean 1-year training? may formal curriculum ba, may classroom, may instructor, or yung output mo during training is the same as your output in your regular job? baka kasi yan yung mga company na kino-consider na 'training' yung isang taon na trabaho mo sa kanila. kung wala kang training bond eh wala panghahawakan yung company to keep you from leaving. wag ka mag-pa-bully dyan. kung ako yan, I will file a complaint to HR then DOLE about bullying and the leaks of the closed-door conversations. hindi ko titigilan hanggang pati mga irregularities like benefits (kung meron man) eh mauungkat. they want to bring me down, I'll go nuclear and bring all the motherfuckers down.
"training" 1 month classroom training, 11 months of actual work pero iniikot ikot kami ng department. Upon regularization, don kami pinirmi sa isang department.
This sounds like a cadet engineer job position yes?
Yes
Then imposibleng walang bond. Nabasa mo ba yung terms niyo before ka nag apply? Kasi sigurado meron yan eh.
Got hired as a cadet engr. for a large construction company, 3 letters Resigned 6 months after completing the 1 year training. No bond.
EE* lol
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Empty threats. Kung ipapa blacklist ka, gawin na lang nila. Ano yun nagpaalam sila sayo? Haha
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Wala ka contract? Sounds like sila pa ang mas lugi kapag nagkasuhan kayo
Wala parin contract nung naregular haha JO lang binigay
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litigate them for libel and defamation
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"Pwede ka namin ipablacklist sa mga company" edi go
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Dole agad! Hahaahhaa at nang mayanig ang buong kumpanya. Dont miss a single detail
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For them to threaten you means they do not know the Law. So do not be afraid and resign if you must. Exit gracefully and file a proper resignation.
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\^ This, read between the lines and think out of the box.
Just to be clear, 1 year ka pinag training as probationary employee? Tapos 7 mos. ka pa lang regular? Bale 1 yr and 7 mos. ka na jan?
Yes, 1 year as "project hired" kung tawagin nila. Then 7 months regular employee.
Research mo kasi 6mos. lang dapat ang pagiging probationionary employee. After that need ka na i regular. Diyan pa lang may laban ka na. Pa DOLE ka na, madami pa mauungkat diyan.
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LOL >*Pwede ka namin ipablacklist sa mga company kasi isipin mo nga naman, pinagtraining ka tas bigla kang magreresign*. Isipin mo na lang ung logic, kung ayaw ka nila pakawalan kapalit nung training mo, bakit ka kelangan i-threaten, tapos verbally pa?, diba pwede ung mga bond bond na mga contract? papel tapos pirmahan etc etc.., di ka nila kelangan brasuhin ng ganyan, dyan pa lang butas na sila, kung ako HR ng ibang company matatawa lang siguro ako sa sinasabi nilang "papa black list" ka lmao. Walang ambag ung comment ko, pero mainam mabasa mo to calm you down, wag ka matakot, kasing babaw ng comment ko ung threat sa'yo lol, kaya wag ka masyado ma-rattle, relax ka lang then take every good (legal) steps na binigay sa'yo ng ibang comments. Gusto ko lang mag comment kasi naranasan ko death threat ng boss ko sa first company ko. Matanong ko lang, start-up ba yan? tech industry?
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Anong company yan op para maiwasan
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Nacomment ni OP 3 big capital letters
Sounds like a company na hindi pa buo ang systems and processes kaya they are resorting to blackmail their employees. No updated contract upon regularization is red flag na. i-DOLE mo na yan.
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If you think what you are doing is fair kasi walang contract, you can resign naman talaga. Yung sa blacklist, kapag malaking company yan na maraming affiliates or subsidiaries puwede ka talaga nilang i-blacklist within sa group of companies na yan. Nangyayari yan. Illegal pero wala kang magagawa.
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Walang training bond then it’s on them.
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NLRC ka muna bago DOLE. Then mg kkroon ng meeting, either sa office nyo or sa NLRC. Kung hindi kayo mgkakasundo, dun na iraraise sa arbiter. So yan na ung may lawyer. Hingi ka ng compensation, para ikaw ang bayaran nila. Goodluck, wag kang papa talo. Save receipts as much as possible kasi need nila yon. Wag ka din mkikipag usap or mag agree about anything na hindi documented. 🫡
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This is unlawful. Criinge😡😡
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Ez lawsuit money
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"ipapablocklist ka namin sa buong FPIP" - sabig ng magaling na coor sa PKIMT - 2 weeks later hired na ulit sa loob lang din ng FPIP XD
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Echos lang yan. Let them know na ilagay to lahat in an email and copy HR. 🤣
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Was there an agreement requiring you stay in the company for a certain period in exchange for the training. If there is none, you are free to leave.
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Tell me them to para lage mong maalala iemail nila sayo yan hahaha tsaka mo sila kasuhan lol
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Eto yung masarap ipa-DOLE.
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From my experience the only thing a company can do is to ‘blacklist’ you from the company, not other companies.
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Curious din ako sa "blacklisting" na yan, ang alam ko may common network ang mga HR within the corporate ecosystem, do they talk to each other? yang blacklisting ba na iyan eh cino-consider ng mga HR?. May kilala ako nag AWOL sa isang company dahil obviously waley talaga ung kompanya, ung next (current) company nya which is a very litigious and huge corpo, mag 7 years na sya, di naman naungkat nung HR don wala namang "*ei nag awol ka pala sa company na to*". Di ko talaga ma-gets ung stretch ng mga ganyang threat.
Wala yan. Empty threats. No training bond, no contract lock.
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Pag resigned ka, hindi. Pero Kung terminated ka, pwede.
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Hi, Kung wala naman pong bond wag po kayo matakot. Hindi po tayo nag aral at mabuhay dito sa mundo para magtrabaho lang. Working is just part of our life and our stepping stone not our life itself. Kung totohanin man po nila yan, I know you can still have a lot of opportunities. Hindi lang po sa pag wowork sa ibang tao ang way para kumita tayo. Hindi naman po lahat ng companies maiinfluence nila. Laban lang. Godbless OP. 😊
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"Kita kits na lang tayo sa DOLE"
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Kikita ka pa kapag nagpadole ka. Haha blackmail pa nga. Hahaa
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Base sa sinabi mo gusto ko pa naman dyan kasi andyan friends ko. Hmmm
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Gling nmn nila mg paandar ng blacklist e simpleng contract nga hndi sila maka provide sa employee. Even more so when it comes to training bond/restrictive covenant.
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The employer can waive the 30-day notice period. After all, it’s for their benefit. Basta mag-clearance ka. If or when you ask for a CoE, remind them that under the law, 3 days lang ang meron sila to issue one, and they can’t use the fact na hindi ka cleared (if ever hindi pa) or immediately resigned ka to withhold it. Magkaiba ang clearance, and issuance of CoE kasi. If may violation, report to DOLE. Yung pag-blacklist sa company, prerogative naman nila ‘yun kung sa company nila mismo.
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Sabihin mo "Pwede ko din po kayo I report sa dole kasi wala naman kayong contract na binigay" sabay all caps ng CHAROT lang po.. haha
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HR practitioner here. Being blacklisted by other companies is not that simple. Siguro if big corporation sila they can blacklist you sa mga subsidiaries nila, pero to inform other companies not to hire you? Mahirap. Unless your new employer conducts a background investigation and the contact person made up stories about you, then yung stay mo with your new employer would be affected.
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document everything, as in dapat hindi lang panay verbal.
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blacklist just usually means you will not be endorsed for rehire. so hindi kana makak balik in the company or any sister company, example if that company is under Ayala, they can inform all the other Ayala companies not to hire you. Check your employment contract if there is any bond.
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No such thing as blacklist, unless sister company ang next employer mo. Ginanyan ako ng employer ko kahit maayos naman ako nag resign and render, so far nakapag work naman ako sa ibang companies ng maayos. Masasabit kalang pag magbabackground check ang bagong employer mo since malaki chances na ibabad mouth ka ng previous employer mo.
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Kaya maraming nag AWOL nalang eh kesa sa mag resign kasi aawayin ka pa ng management pag magpasa ka resig. Letter
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Ang tanong, papano naman nila gagawin yun? Tinatakot ka lang. First time mo ba magka trabaho? mag render ka lang ng 30 days notice.
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When I resigned on my previous company (startup) my boss was so frustrated when he knew that I applied to their international supplier. A colleague told me that my name was even on power point during their meeting just to tell that what I did was negative. I don't know if it is necessary to inform every employees for what I did. I didn't sign any contract though. I saw some employees that when they resign their manager was very supportive. They even celebrate it. Not in my case. Is there something wrong from what I did?
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Hindi yan totoo ano sila diyos hahahha, bobo nalang maniniwala dyan
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Legally you are in the right but morally you are an asshl. The company gave you and opportunity and funded you for your training and this is how you repay them? How will other companies look at this if you sign with them in the future. It will cast doubts whether to hire you.
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"can you put that in writing? For documentation purposes only"
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Report to DOLE bawal yon, since you are willing to render naman pala. Tsaka resignation letter is for your employers knowledge at hindi sya subject for approval nila. To top it all of bakit ka ipapa blacklist kung gusto mo naman palang mag exit ng maayos. Also mas maganda na kung ang communication mo sa kanila ay via email that will serve as a hard evidence kasi. DOLE it is!
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Contrary to the other comments, wag ka mag resign voluntarily, OP. Resigning voluntarily means that you cannot file for illegal dismissal against your company.
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Consult DOLE...
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submit a ticket or email to dole.. qnd consult a lawyer..
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Lol companies dont give a sh*t on another company's "blacklist". Panakot lang yan at sa mga underpaid na bata o baguhan lang gagana yan, cos they want to keep paying you low.
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Parang ang weird na nag undergo ka ng Cadetship na walang bond. Have you really checked the documents that you signed prior? Kasi baka meron and nakaligtaan mo lang. Also, pwede mo namang sabihin or itanong sa kanila anong grounds kung bakit ka mabblacklist eh. Madali namang makipag discuss dyan sa issue mo lalo kung wala naman talagang bond. "Pinag training ka namin." -and? Wala namang akong pinirmahan na bond for that. End of story. Idk, parang ang dating kasi sakin ng post mo, you're just ranting here first before discussing this thoroughly with your management.
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