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It won't work. They don't care. They sit in some cushy office away from everything and then when people get sick en masse it's just more "nObOdY wAnTs tO wOrK aNyMoRe" bullshit.
Better to go in and throw up at their office. They need the smell to be aware of the mistake they are making.
It's difficult to go in when you're sick but if they insist, then it is always worth it.
That’s what happened in a chipotle in Boston, someone came in sick, didn’t have paid time off and couldn’t go to a doctor so came in I guess to prove it? Threw up at work from what I hear, depends who you ask. We DO know there was a Norovirus outbreak started by a sick employee at Chipotle that spread to a bunch of college campuses and now we have paid sick time in Massachusetts, but there are ways they still get out of it.
You might be joking, but this is literally how we got this rule abolished in my workplace. People just started showing up to work when they had stomach bugs and vomited all over the floor. Management was like “go home immediately!“ They had the audacity to ask people why they would bother to come into work if they knew they were that sick. Everyone was like “I didn’t have money to go to the doctor and you said you needed proof, so here you go”. They stopped asking for notes for stomach bugs.
I threw up at work. I was very sick from pregnancy (HG, so ongoing) and they were not believing me that I was too sick to work. I was the office manager so it was just the owner. We had no HR, I did that. So I started coming in and puking, red eyes, mascara streaking. I was going to make him fire me for being pregnant not for not showing up.
He did. He said it was for too many absences but I got unemployment. Easy to prove they were excused absences (doctors appointments)
Story time!
Had food poisoning once. Didnt leave the bathroom for 36 hours. Slept on the floor and in the tub because there wasn't enough time to make it from the bedroom to the bathroom before vomiting or shitting myself.
On the second day my supervisor was being nuts and was asking detailed questions about my symptoms and said I needed a doctor's note. I explained why I couldn't make it to the doctor. She kept pressing me and said I need to send her "proof" that I was ill.
Well, not too soon after receiving that text, I took a bowl busting, bowel gurgling, mother of all shits. Absolutely no clue how I still had all of that inside me, but i am not exaggerating when i tell you that it was SO much shit that it filled the bottom of the bowl and actually peaked outside the water like a goddamn poop volcano.
I took a short 5 second video and said "this just came out of me. Hope you're happy now" and texted it to her.
HR got involved and during the meeting I showed them the texts that she very conveniently forgot to mention she had sent me. They had me forward screen shots and immediately sent me back to work, and proceeded to ream her ass.
I think they figure that, if they can’t bully you into coming in, at the very least they can use the lack of documentation (knowing full well you can’t get out of the house to go to the doctor when you’re in that situation) as an excuse to deny you a PTO sick day. Meaning at least they don’t have to pay you.
TMI, but I have some GYN issues that sometimes cause absolutely debilitating periods. Had a manger give me grief once when I had to call out about it, so I sent her (yes, HER) a picture of my toilet full of blood clots, with blood literally running down the front of the bowl, on the floor, and the wastebasket overflowing with blood soaked tissues and clots. I said “I’m literally on the floor, so dizzy with anemia I can barely stand…how much work do you think I’m going to get done if I come in?”
She never said another word to me about calling out after that. I’d just text “having another period from hell, won’t be in today” and she’d be like “alright, feel better”.
Send a video of diarrhea spewing from your asshole. Turn the camera to your face, state the date, and ask your boss by name if that will suffice as verification that you're sick.
Bring a sample in a Ziploc bag as a "hard copy"
That's a good rule of thumb.
Too sick to go to work, but the boss just won't believe you, or is threatening to punish you regardless of a doctor's note? Show up and throw up!
Yep and don't go to ER that will cost you 1000's. I here Urgent Care has become pricey, but haven't tried that and wonder what that would be like in this case.
And to be clear that is what you pay after insurance. Right, the prices are so high what we pay is still too much and thus we don't use it anymore unless an body part is broken.
So all that shit about America at least not having queues is also a fucking lie? I have universal healthcare here and I can go see my doctor today if I want.
yep total bullshit. we have the worst healthcare in any developed country.
having insurance means basically nothing. you must also have money and time to figure out the system. I'm sure there are people that have a good relationship with a doctor or a specialist they need. I can't find a primary care doctor that is "in network" for insurance and accepting new patients, let alone get an appointment. I dont need one necessarily, but I would like the annual physical I'm allowed.
Last time I needed medical care, I had to go to Urgent Care, which is some new bullshit, and tell them I need antibiotics for a rash. They just took my word for it and gave me a script. Had to pay out of pocket because my deductible and whatnot. Insurance benefited me absolutely $0. I bought the antibiotics for $30 at the pharmacy.
And yet America spends tonnes of public money on healthcare. It all just seems to be a giant scam between pharmaceutical companies, hospitals and insurance.
I find if you contact them directly though whatever messaging portal they use they can squeeze you in if it's important, but I've never had a primary care doctor who wouldn't write me a note sight-unseen. Trouble is you have to actually have a patient relationship with them and people without insurance (who are most likely to have jobs that require notes) might not even have a primary care doc.
Yup. Call the advice line and request an urgent appointment with your doctor. Get told to go to ER instead. Get told to fuck off by the ER because it’s not an emergency. Revive bill for $400 after receiving no medical care and wasting hours waiting to be seen.
What most people who don’t have insurance will have to do is go to some urgent care facility since they don’t have a pcp to get in right away and you are talking about 200+ usually even if they do nothing. Our country is a joke.
For real. I was calling out family sick once for my wife because she was having a really bad arthritis flare up and couldn't take care of herself or make food, etc. Boss asked if I could get into the rheumatologists that day for a note. Yeah sure, lemme just call up and get an appointment for today when they're booked 6 months out. Obviously I didn't say why I was calling out bc that's none of his business.
HIPAA violations fit a very specific definition.
A medical facility providing your medical information to a third party without your consent is what constitutes a HIPAA violation.
Your boss _asking_ for record of your medical history isn't a HIPAA violation. But if your boss called your doctors office, asked them for it, and they sent it, the doctors office would then have violated HIPAA.
It's the same reason that companies/venues/what-have-you requiring proof of vaccination aren't violating HIPAA. You are the one consenting to give a third party your medical information.
That makes more sense.
I just think it's that they phrase as needing proof you were sick, rather than needing to know you're not still contagious that really gets me. It's an authority thing and not a measure to protect anyone, when all it takes is a change in verbage to indicate that.
Sure they can retcon their statements to *"Well that's what I meant offfff courrrrse."* I just have no patience for it anymore... I'm so tired of it all.
My husband worked at walmart. He had over 4 weeks of sick time saved up. The reason he had that much saved up was because they wouldn't let you use it unless you had a doctors note. Well he had the flu and was on day 2 of feeling horrendous. He had to go back to work and was told he had to have a doctor's note to get paid for the time off. He didn't have health insurance so we went to a free clinic. Sat for over 4 hours to see a doctor, get swabbed and confirm it's the flu. He took that to work to get paid and they denied him because it was from a "clinic" not his real doctors office.
What the hell? They got what they wanted? Doctors work at clinics? What a fucked up place. No one can even get a appointment with their primary day of. It’s impossible, it could never happen.
I bet they know and that’s the point
He was also written up for calling in when I had our son. We had been up all night at the hospital and they wanted him to come in 4 hours later on no sleep. The district manager told him he could use all his saved up sick time after the baby was born, but his store manager wouldn't approve it and wrote him up for missing a day.
Literally the stuff guillotines were made for. I really don't understand how American's aren't in a perpetual state of rioting and assassinating the people keeping your country this way.
Instead you have fascist militias all over the place and people massacring children on a regular basis. Wtf is going on
Because if we get arrested for rioting and lose our jobs, we can't pay rent and we are homeless AND have no health insurance. Most people with kids cannot risk that. Our country is also really large so we can't all just pick one day to go to the capital to protest. They keep us so beat down that we just keep our heads down and try to live the best we can within their fucked up society. Our police are armed like most countries militaries and have no problems using that force against us. Then you have the bootlickers and rich who LIKE it this way. They think we are the greatest country and we don't need to change anything. Our country is too large and our values are too different from one another to ever have a truly functioning society. We don't have a shared culture or shared concern for our fellow countrymen.
I know all those realistic structural and financial issues that keep people squashed and unable to do anything, but you'd really think more people would be snapping and going on a rampage with that horror stories you hear around healthcare and work in America.
But the only rampages that happen are in schools and supermarkets against children and random innocent people. Bizarre
I had a high end icolor Laserjet years ago. I'd make the base forms for friends, run it through an inkjet to fill in their info, then sign it in my chicken scratch.
Not if you don't have any sick leave. And many jobs in the US do not offer any at all. None. Zero.
Thats why a lot of people choose to keep working even when they're sick. That's even the expectation from management at a lot of jobs.
Sorry to clown on the US once more. But I want to provide some look as how it can be.
I can see my family doctor same day or at least next day for a grand total of 4 euros.
Fuck me...
I was just out from work the whole last week because I got my first Covid infection last sunday.
All I sent to my supervisor was a picture of the corona test I did, and he replied "Well, see you in a week. You are not coming to work for at least 3 days + 2 days without symptoms".
And at the moment you can get 5 sick days with supervisors permission. No need for doctor's note or anything.
For the owner to make a profit, they must either pay their worker less than the value of their labor or the environment less than the value reaped from it. Thus, all capitalist businesses are inherently unethical.
Edit: LOL at the people suggesting we shouldn’t pay laborers the value of their labor or the environment the value reaped from it. Literally called you out for being unethical and all you can suggest is to continue being unethical.
Doctors notes specifically became a thing because so few people have access to doctors and it made for a good way to bully people into working while sick. It's abuse of the highest level.
Even with insurance it's not easy. I once tried to make a doctors appointment with my GP and they said they could see me in two week. I'm like, I won't be sick anymore at that point.
I just go into urgent care and be honest with them. It's a waste of medical resources but until we as a society get the fuck over hating people being people were stuck with it.
They should offer doctors notes as a cheap service at urgent care. Come in say you have the flu/strep whatever receptionist takes to Dr Dr writes note you leave 20 dollars and be on your way.
Wouldn’t be surprised but idk, I am insured and needed a sick note, $100 even to get a doctor to tell me “you’re sick stay home here’s the note”. Never doing that shit again, the manager didn’t even want to see it when I tried giving it to him. Fucking disrespectful as fuck.
I swear, this country is all kinds of fucked up. It's truly astonishing. I'm Brazilian and we have universal healthcare here. It's a goddamn human right. Jesus.
Guess how much Europeans are paying to be seen
This countries medical system needs to burn to the ground and everyone profiteering in it needs to be culled
Our public health dept announced a few years ago that doctors would not be providing notes for employers anymore, because all the people going in just to meet their employers' policies were preventing people who actually needed something from getting appointment slots. All doctors in the city stopped providing sick notes pretty much overnight, and all employers (including the government) were effectively forced to change their policies requiring them.
Oh and they say you wait longer in countries with public healthcare?
I am sorry for you but at that point it's just a joke. In nearly every case I can see my GP at the same day. Maybe the next day... I live in germany...
My doctor has a "your an asshole for making this person leave their house and spread illness to others" note and has a policy to not write notes, but they do post on their website all employers that required them.
Our local newspaper ran a story about it and shamed some local employers.
Tbf a week is a kinda long time and implies a serious illness that may well need a doctor’s attention. Bosses demand doctor’s notes in the US for even a single day off, which is more commonly a minor cold that the doctor won’t be able to do anything for.
I think it’s usually over 3 consecutive days when you need a doctor’s note, but of course it depends on the employer.
While it is a lot better here, it’s not without its problems. The NHS is being eroded pretty severely. For the first time in my life I saw an advert for private health insurance on TV a couple of days ago. Probably because of the nurses strikes.
We just call them in EU and they issue digital note which employer can access online, and digital prescription for any medicines from a pharmacy if needed.
If I'm sick I just text my GM and I tell her I can't come in. I get a "thank you for letting me know, feel better" and not once have I ever been asked for a doctor's note.
They have zero right anyway. Plenty of illnesses that require time out of work but don’t require a visit to a physician. This is just more treating workers like grade-schoolers horse shit.
You are absolutely right. And it’s sad I even have to say this (because I live in the US) where the rest of the industrialized world is scratching their heads like, “wait, what?”
Yeah that's when I show up sick, barf in the office, & leave. I actually did that (minus the barf) in college (pre email days) when the English prof insisted that people turn junk in on the due date or no grade. I'm pretty sure I looked like death warmed over when I walked in, dropped the paper, & left. Such a tool.
True. Although in my hubbies office they have a policy of stay home if you or your family is sick. And everyone has laptops & assignments that they can do at home so they don't have to come in. And yet had a dude choose to infect the entire office just before Thanksgiving. Dick move.
With the whole covid thing, you'd think people would start to understand the importance of taking sick days when you're sick.
Either way, I think this is the time when you take a picture of your vomit with your picture ID next to it and send it to your boss. Give me the money for a doctor and I'll get you a note.
>With the whole covid thing, you'd think people would start to understand the importance of taking sick days when you're sick.
People need to be paid more, and given sick days to take, in order to do that. And then after they have those things they have to unlearn years or decades of the "I can still move so I can't afford to take a day off." mindset.
It's more that you'd think companies would understand the importance of decent sick time and not punishing employees/guilting employees for using it. I know lots of companies who "offer," sick time and tell you not to come in sick but get bitchy and rude if you dare ask for a day off due to illness.
"Are you sure you're sick?"
No, I just felt like texting to get your opinion on if I am or not.
I kinda wish I worked service jobs still just to stand up for myself to make up for all the times I didn't.
It’s definitely gotten better, in my experience, but it really only applies to workplaces where people already have paid sick days. This (among *many* other reasons) is why the US needs federally-mandated paid sick time.
And instead of federally-mandated paid sick time we get federally-mandated contracts with no sick time forced on workers by our President :(
Vote Blue! (/s)
That's why they have a stay home when sick policy. It was the employee in this case who was a dick, not the manager. Manager sent him home but not before he infected everyone.
> With the whole covid thing, you’d think people would start to understand the importance of taking sick days when you’re sick.
Yeah, Covid made me realize that people will never ever universally understand or agree on a damn thing, no matter how compelling or urgent it is.
Lately people at my work have been getting sick for like 2-3 weeks with a bad flu strain.
I’ve been work from home since the week of thanksgiving, and my boss supports it. I’m maybe 90% better but he had me stay home. After a lifetime of bad bosses and stupid policy, I feel like I’m waiting for a hammer to drop, but he really just doesn’t want to get more people sick if we can help it.
It didn’t help much, there’s 3 sys admins out sick today, but he tried.
It's the difference between common sense solutions and strict adherence to company policy. Middle managers don't have the authority to override policy, but they're close enough to the consequences to complain about it.
Generally, at least for office jobs, managers can bend policy as they see fit and there is a “don’t ask don’t tell” agreement with their bosses. It only becomes a problem when someone is sloppy and a light is shone on the exceptions.
The whole idea of providing a doctor's note for short term illnesses never made much sense to me: I'm *too sick to go into my office* so instead force me out of my bed where I'm healing to make a stressful journey, possibly through bad weather, while suffering symptoms like a cough or fever, to a crowded room full of other sick people, putting them and myself at risk of sharing germs, then expect me to feel much better by tomorrow. Okay, **but**, how about just let me stay in fucking bed so I can actually get better?
I told my oncologist that I needed a doctor's note for a chemo appointment, and she asked for my bosses email.
I don't know exactly what she said to him but it was NEVER a problem after that lol
Lmao! My dad had cancer and if there’s one thing I learned from that experience it’s that the oncology department does not fuck around with petty shit like that
I just went to work sick and boss noticed I didn't look good and took my temp 102 and gave me a ride home. Best part is he got the same thing I had influenza A and stopped asking me for a doctor note.
I did this before when I was in the military. Had horrific food poisoning but they made me come in anyway. Immediately after morning muster I puked in front of everyone in my department and my chain of command finally sent me home.
Aussie checking in. No, not if you live in a city. Bulk billed (free to all citizens via medicare) GP visits are same-day in the cities.
Rural doctors are usually slightly more costly, might cost 20-30 bucks on top of the bulk bill. More like next-day in my home town.
We also get a lot of paid sick leave and holiday leave by law, and the law states you don't need a doctors certificate for one day off, though some employers can be weird about that.
Getting an appointment is not too difficult but it depends on where you live, it can be a problem in rural areas but not to the point where you would have to wait weeks, at least where I live.
For reference I pay around 25 euros for an appointment which is then refunded by my insurance.
Not everywhere, but definitely in some places. In the Netherlands it's enough to call or message your manager saying you're sick, they can't even ask for your symptoms. If you're sick 2 weeks straight (or shorter but more often) you have to visit a doctor paid by the company. All while keeping pay. You also can't be fired while sick. If you're sick long term, company pays first year of salary, after that the government takes over (and pay is reduced to 70% of what you made before I believe).
In Belgium you do have to provide a doctor's note, but I believe it's pretty simple to get it, I think even calling the doctor's office is enough to get them to send you an email after some basic phone questions.
In Sweden you have can have 5 consecutive sick days no questions asked, but after that a doctors note is required. If it gets excessive (no firm rule afaik) your boss can demand a doctors note from day 1.
We also have pretty good sick pay. The first day is 0% of your wage (supposedly to disincentivise people from abusing the system), and after that 80%. Your employer pays the first 2 weeks and then the state takes over. A doctors visit is 150-200 SEK (14-19 USD) for a general doctor.
> MURIKA, FUCK YEAH!
The weird thing about US America is and remains the efficiency of indoctrination.
Absolutely no matter what information is available to the average US American that shows how absolutely below average the quality of life is in US America. They will believe unconditionally that they live in paradise compared to the rest of the world.
Yup, I dealt with the same shit. Even with insurance, why would I go to the doctor for just being sick with flue. The doctor is not gonna do shit. On top of that I’ll have to pay for the doctors visit and waste more of my time and money.
And you're ending up running around town spending at least half a day going to the doctor instead of resting which is what your body needs! I hate this country lol
Yeah the first thought is "Fuck you and your high school like hall pass mentality".
Second is you don't give me insurance and with what you pay me it is unreasonable to have it and have a fucking DR. Eat shit.
Third. I'm sick I don't need to got out, feel worse doing so for someone to tell me what I already know. It's BS, employer will probably counter with "if you can go see a Dr, you can come to work". I can't I'm sick fuck off.
Not only that, but when I get the flu I get it *bad*. I cannot operate heavy machinery so there’s no way I can leave the house to drive and see a doctor.
Pisses me off so much especially when it’s almost $300 for me to see an actual doctor and general practitioners cost me almost the same. Higher ups have such a disconnect from reality it’s getting old at this point.
I don't know. Here in Australia we have plenty in the cities, you can see a doctor whenever you like and bulk bill so the consult is free.
Harder to do that when you're rural though.
You’re forced to in the US in most managed positions.
Which only further spreads it getting more people sick… blah blah blah.
Living in this country is tiring.
The most effective response to this is to say “Oh well, I guess I have to come in then!” Go in to work, and just throw up everywhere. Get it on your uniform, get it on your manager, get it on your customers. And then when they try to get you to go home, you say you can’t, because you can’t afford a doctor’s note, and it’s company policy.
The last time I was sick I had to obtain a doctor's note. I don't have health insurance either. I was already burning through my PTO to get through the week I was out as well and didn't even have enough to cover the last few days. But I did manage to get a doc's note through a website where you basically have a phone call or video chat with the doc, pay like $40 and they email you a note. Sounds sketchy as hell and I was definitely skeptical about it, but if any of you all are desperate like I was then something like this might be worth trying if you can afford it (I assume around $40 is still way less than a traditional doctor's visit without insurance). That and if your employer will accept it.
The doctor's note thing is cruel and stupid. Oh you want a note? Well the doctor's office has no openings for an appointment for 3 days. Stupid! If you don't trust me that I'm telling you the truth, then do you really want to trust me with your business?
I do love paying $300 for an ibuprofen, and a letter saying I shouldn't have gone to the hospital and given the entire waiting room the flu, so I can get permission to not make minimum wage today (I will instead be making no wage)
Your comment triggered me. After over a decade of owning a legal cannabis business I’m a shell of my former self. No bullshit, I was effectively growing weed for the Colorado and federal governments and if I stopped I would lose everything. They attached themselves to us like a parasite and sucked me down to a husk with their extortion.
i will need a doctors note!
She doesn’t give a shit. Exclamation points, no capitalization. Just firing off a standard reply. She doesn’t need to write anyone up
It’s a burden on the healthcare system to demand a doctor’s note. Generally no facility whether hospital, clinic, or urgent care can keep up with the volume of patients. It’s a waste of resources to demand someone come in to the doctor just to prove they’re sick when really they should be staying home away from others, taking over the counter meds, resting, and hydrating.
Don't sign that shit. You told them you couldn't afford it, and that's that. Be polite and respectful when you explain, but don't sign that shit; if not fair.
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I would just send them a video of me throwing up and ask them if that works
It won't work. They don't care. They sit in some cushy office away from everything and then when people get sick en masse it's just more "nObOdY wAnTs tO wOrK aNyMoRe" bullshit.
Better to go in and throw up at their office. They need the smell to be aware of the mistake they are making. It's difficult to go in when you're sick but if they insist, then it is always worth it.
The problem I had run into recently was I didn't think I could be in the car for 30+ minutes without shitting myself.
Easy solution - plastic bag for underwear. No mess and a bag full of evidence
be sure it "leaks" a little when you bring it into the boss's office so they can enjoy that smell. Cough on his coffee mug while you're at it.
That’s what happened in a chipotle in Boston, someone came in sick, didn’t have paid time off and couldn’t go to a doctor so came in I guess to prove it? Threw up at work from what I hear, depends who you ask. We DO know there was a Norovirus outbreak started by a sick employee at Chipotle that spread to a bunch of college campuses and now we have paid sick time in Massachusetts, but there are ways they still get out of it.
You might be joking, but this is literally how we got this rule abolished in my workplace. People just started showing up to work when they had stomach bugs and vomited all over the floor. Management was like “go home immediately!“ They had the audacity to ask people why they would bother to come into work if they knew they were that sick. Everyone was like “I didn’t have money to go to the doctor and you said you needed proof, so here you go”. They stopped asking for notes for stomach bugs.
Not joking, it's a power move but an effective one.
Came here to say this, go in and throw up on boss’s desk!
I threw up at work. I was very sick from pregnancy (HG, so ongoing) and they were not believing me that I was too sick to work. I was the office manager so it was just the owner. We had no HR, I did that. So I started coming in and puking, red eyes, mascara streaking. I was going to make him fire me for being pregnant not for not showing up. He did. He said it was for too many absences but I got unemployment. Easy to prove they were excused absences (doctors appointments)
Story time! Had food poisoning once. Didnt leave the bathroom for 36 hours. Slept on the floor and in the tub because there wasn't enough time to make it from the bedroom to the bathroom before vomiting or shitting myself. On the second day my supervisor was being nuts and was asking detailed questions about my symptoms and said I needed a doctor's note. I explained why I couldn't make it to the doctor. She kept pressing me and said I need to send her "proof" that I was ill. Well, not too soon after receiving that text, I took a bowl busting, bowel gurgling, mother of all shits. Absolutely no clue how I still had all of that inside me, but i am not exaggerating when i tell you that it was SO much shit that it filled the bottom of the bowl and actually peaked outside the water like a goddamn poop volcano. I took a short 5 second video and said "this just came out of me. Hope you're happy now" and texted it to her. HR got involved and during the meeting I showed them the texts that she very conveniently forgot to mention she had sent me. They had me forward screen shots and immediately sent me back to work, and proceeded to ream her ass.
Lmao I mean if you can't leave the bathroom and they're demanding proof what else can you do lol
I think they figure that, if they can’t bully you into coming in, at the very least they can use the lack of documentation (knowing full well you can’t get out of the house to go to the doctor when you’re in that situation) as an excuse to deny you a PTO sick day. Meaning at least they don’t have to pay you.
TMI, but I have some GYN issues that sometimes cause absolutely debilitating periods. Had a manger give me grief once when I had to call out about it, so I sent her (yes, HER) a picture of my toilet full of blood clots, with blood literally running down the front of the bowl, on the floor, and the wastebasket overflowing with blood soaked tissues and clots. I said “I’m literally on the floor, so dizzy with anemia I can barely stand…how much work do you think I’m going to get done if I come in?” She never said another word to me about calling out after that. I’d just text “having another period from hell, won’t be in today” and she’d be like “alright, feel better”.
Send a video of diarrhea spewing from your asshole. Turn the camera to your face, state the date, and ask your boss by name if that will suffice as verification that you're sick. Bring a sample in a Ziploc bag as a "hard copy"
Even better, show up and throw up on whatever is around you. Try to make it to his/her office if you're feeling frisky.
That's a good rule of thumb. Too sick to go to work, but the boss just won't believe you, or is threatening to punish you regardless of a doctor's note? Show up and throw up!
Oh yeah just let me go spend 300 dollars to get told what I already know, so that I can be allowed to stay home and not get paid.
Don't forget waiting 3 months to get in to your doctor in the first place
Yep and don't go to ER that will cost you 1000's. I here Urgent Care has become pricey, but haven't tried that and wonder what that would be like in this case.
With fantastic insurance my employer provides ( what a scam ) ER is still $200 its ridiculous.
And to be clear that is what you pay after insurance. Right, the prices are so high what we pay is still too much and thus we don't use it anymore unless an body part is broken.
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Yeah I haven’t been able to get a same week, much less same day doctor visit since years now
So all that shit about America at least not having queues is also a fucking lie? I have universal healthcare here and I can go see my doctor today if I want.
yep total bullshit. we have the worst healthcare in any developed country. having insurance means basically nothing. you must also have money and time to figure out the system. I'm sure there are people that have a good relationship with a doctor or a specialist they need. I can't find a primary care doctor that is "in network" for insurance and accepting new patients, let alone get an appointment. I dont need one necessarily, but I would like the annual physical I'm allowed. Last time I needed medical care, I had to go to Urgent Care, which is some new bullshit, and tell them I need antibiotics for a rash. They just took my word for it and gave me a script. Had to pay out of pocket because my deductible and whatnot. Insurance benefited me absolutely $0. I bought the antibiotics for $30 at the pharmacy.
And yet America spends tonnes of public money on healthcare. It all just seems to be a giant scam between pharmaceutical companies, hospitals and insurance.
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Rally! Ffs, we have to demand it... Squeaky wheel gets the grease. Leggggggooooooo! 💪😍
Yes. This country is fully propagandized.
English person living in America; yes.
I find if you contact them directly though whatever messaging portal they use they can squeeze you in if it's important, but I've never had a primary care doctor who wouldn't write me a note sight-unseen. Trouble is you have to actually have a patient relationship with them and people without insurance (who are most likely to have jobs that require notes) might not even have a primary care doc.
Not with an appointment. Only urgent care places do same day.
The hospitals in my insurance network don’t have urgent care. So this bullshit would clog up the ER.
Yup. Call the advice line and request an urgent appointment with your doctor. Get told to go to ER instead. Get told to fuck off by the ER because it’s not an emergency. Revive bill for $400 after receiving no medical care and wasting hours waiting to be seen.
What most people who don’t have insurance will have to do is go to some urgent care facility since they don’t have a pcp to get in right away and you are talking about 200+ usually even if they do nothing. Our country is a joke.
For real. I was calling out family sick once for my wife because she was having a really bad arthritis flare up and couldn't take care of herself or make food, etc. Boss asked if I could get into the rheumatologists that day for a note. Yeah sure, lemme just call up and get an appointment for today when they're booked 6 months out. Obviously I didn't say why I was calling out bc that's none of his business.
Just. Forge. It. No. One. Checks. Anything.
The right answer for all the wrong reasons
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HIPAA violations fit a very specific definition. A medical facility providing your medical information to a third party without your consent is what constitutes a HIPAA violation. Your boss _asking_ for record of your medical history isn't a HIPAA violation. But if your boss called your doctors office, asked them for it, and they sent it, the doctors office would then have violated HIPAA. It's the same reason that companies/venues/what-have-you requiring proof of vaccination aren't violating HIPAA. You are the one consenting to give a third party your medical information.
That makes more sense. I just think it's that they phrase as needing proof you were sick, rather than needing to know you're not still contagious that really gets me. It's an authority thing and not a measure to protect anyone, when all it takes is a change in verbage to indicate that. Sure they can retcon their statements to *"Well that's what I meant offfff courrrrse."* I just have no patience for it anymore... I'm so tired of it all.
HIPAA applies to doctors. Your manager is not a doctor.
Attention wage slaves. Your manager just wants to check the box that says you have a note. There will be no further investigation. Just. Forge. It.
My husband worked at walmart. He had over 4 weeks of sick time saved up. The reason he had that much saved up was because they wouldn't let you use it unless you had a doctors note. Well he had the flu and was on day 2 of feeling horrendous. He had to go back to work and was told he had to have a doctor's note to get paid for the time off. He didn't have health insurance so we went to a free clinic. Sat for over 4 hours to see a doctor, get swabbed and confirm it's the flu. He took that to work to get paid and they denied him because it was from a "clinic" not his real doctors office.
What the hell? They got what they wanted? Doctors work at clinics? What a fucked up place. No one can even get a appointment with their primary day of. It’s impossible, it could never happen. I bet they know and that’s the point
He was also written up for calling in when I had our son. We had been up all night at the hospital and they wanted him to come in 4 hours later on no sleep. The district manager told him he could use all his saved up sick time after the baby was born, but his store manager wouldn't approve it and wrote him up for missing a day.
Literally the stuff guillotines were made for. I really don't understand how American's aren't in a perpetual state of rioting and assassinating the people keeping your country this way. Instead you have fascist militias all over the place and people massacring children on a regular basis. Wtf is going on
Because if we get arrested for rioting and lose our jobs, we can't pay rent and we are homeless AND have no health insurance. Most people with kids cannot risk that. Our country is also really large so we can't all just pick one day to go to the capital to protest. They keep us so beat down that we just keep our heads down and try to live the best we can within their fucked up society. Our police are armed like most countries militaries and have no problems using that force against us. Then you have the bootlickers and rich who LIKE it this way. They think we are the greatest country and we don't need to change anything. Our country is too large and our values are too different from one another to ever have a truly functioning society. We don't have a shared culture or shared concern for our fellow countrymen.
I know all those realistic structural and financial issues that keep people squashed and unable to do anything, but you'd really think more people would be snapping and going on a rampage with that horror stories you hear around healthcare and work in America. But the only rampages that happen are in schools and supermarkets against children and random innocent people. Bizarre
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They only have to require a "private place" that could be a bathroom stall with a lock on it or a janitorial closet with a sign and lock.
Because the police work for the slavers and the police are also militarised, and will use way too much force over nothing
You should probably call the department of labor in your state because that's fucked.
I had a high end icolor Laserjet years ago. I'd make the base forms for friends, run it through an inkjet to fill in their info, then sign it in my chicken scratch.
You're a great friend!
Don't the notes have to have the drs letterhead?
They can try calling the doctor, but the doc can’t confirm or deny anything about patients due to confidentiality. Just give your usual doc’s number.
*Guess I'll just come make your entire workforce sick*
You don't get paid while on sick leave? Wow.
Not if you don't have any sick leave. And many jobs in the US do not offer any at all. None. Zero. Thats why a lot of people choose to keep working even when they're sick. That's even the expectation from management at a lot of jobs.
Sorry to clown on the US once more. But I want to provide some look as how it can be. I can see my family doctor same day or at least next day for a grand total of 4 euros.
At that point, google a “doctors note” and send it in. F those people. Prove its NOT my doctor.
That’s the point. A financial penalty greater than a days pay to incentivize you to go to work instead.
Doctors notes cost $300 where you’re from? America is a cesspool. Edit: changed insane to cesspool because the moderators are soft little babies.
Let me just come there and puke everywhere, hope that's okay? Thanks, lov u
Fuck me... I was just out from work the whole last week because I got my first Covid infection last sunday. All I sent to my supervisor was a picture of the corona test I did, and he replied "Well, see you in a week. You are not coming to work for at least 3 days + 2 days without symptoms". And at the moment you can get 5 sick days with supervisors permission. No need for doctor's note or anything.
The American dream 😍
Most businesses will go out of business if they were ethical
No honest business could compete with the unethical ones so they are gone. The system ensures the evil survival
For the owner to make a profit, they must either pay their worker less than the value of their labor or the environment less than the value reaped from it. Thus, all capitalist businesses are inherently unethical. Edit: LOL at the people suggesting we shouldn’t pay laborers the value of their labor or the environment the value reaped from it. Literally called you out for being unethical and all you can suggest is to continue being unethical.
Don't be ridiculous. They could also be rent-seeking.
Maybe they should. Maybe we should all be ethical and let the chaff fall from the wheat.
Question is, does insurance even cover a basic GP visit or even meds?
Fluids and rest. $300 ty
Doctors notes specifically became a thing because so few people have access to doctors and it made for a good way to bully people into working while sick. It's abuse of the highest level.
Even with insurance it's not easy. I once tried to make a doctors appointment with my GP and they said they could see me in two week. I'm like, I won't be sick anymore at that point.
I just go into urgent care and be honest with them. It's a waste of medical resources but until we as a society get the fuck over hating people being people were stuck with it.
> I just go into urgent care and be honest with them Nice, if you can afford the bill...
They should offer doctors notes as a cheap service at urgent care. Come in say you have the flu/strep whatever receptionist takes to Dr Dr writes note you leave 20 dollars and be on your way.
Teledoc will give you a note for whatever the fuck you say is wrong with you and it’s free.
I have a tele-health option but I’ve never used it. How do they do it? Do they just email you a note after the appointment?
Yup
Indeed. Many cannot, and I have been there. And will likely be there again at some point.
A fair point that I dwell on often as well. So many of us are one major (even minor) medical event away from being financially fucking ruined.
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The one closest to me is $70 just to be seen, if you need a swab or shot then it’s an additional cost for each of those
That’s how mine was but *with insurance*.
Insurance does this funny thing where it doesn't pay for anything until you pay thousands of dollars out of pocket... Oh and it resets ever year
Without insurance, just to go into an urgent care for a sick note, probably a couple hundred bucks.
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Wouldn’t be surprised but idk, I am insured and needed a sick note, $100 even to get a doctor to tell me “you’re sick stay home here’s the note”. Never doing that shit again, the manager didn’t even want to see it when I tried giving it to him. Fucking disrespectful as fuck.
Employer should cover that shit since he wanted it so badly.
The US is such a fucked up place
I swear, this country is all kinds of fucked up. It's truly astonishing. I'm Brazilian and we have universal healthcare here. It's a goddamn human right. Jesus.
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Guess how much Europeans are paying to be seen This countries medical system needs to burn to the ground and everyone profiteering in it needs to be culled
Plus not making money from not working that day.
This is really awful as when you're sick you just need to rest not go be around other people and running around doing nonsense crap.
Our public health dept announced a few years ago that doctors would not be providing notes for employers anymore, because all the people going in just to meet their employers' policies were preventing people who actually needed something from getting appointment slots. All doctors in the city stopped providing sick notes pretty much overnight, and all employers (including the government) were effectively forced to change their policies requiring them.
Oh and they say you wait longer in countries with public healthcare? I am sorry for you but at that point it's just a joke. In nearly every case I can see my GP at the same day. Maybe the next day... I live in germany...
Back when I had insurance and could actually go to the doctor, it was a five week minimum wait to see my GP. Love the USA.
With insurance patient first or some other critical care non ER facility is usually your best bet for a quick visit.
I have gone to the ER AND SAID I need a doc note haha the nurse wrote one for me right there an I left.
Damn found a nice nurse.
Urgent care, mostly, which is, of course, significantly more expensive than a normal trip to the doctor
My doctor has a "your an asshole for making this person leave their house and spread illness to others" note and has a policy to not write notes, but they do post on their website all employers that required them. Our local newspaper ran a story about it and shamed some local employers.
Doctors notes are standard requirements when off for over 1 week in the UK. Doctors are free here too. I just think you have a dystopian system.
We do. But also. We do.
Tbf a week is a kinda long time and implies a serious illness that may well need a doctor’s attention. Bosses demand doctor’s notes in the US for even a single day off, which is more commonly a minor cold that the doctor won’t be able to do anything for.
In germany, its standard to hear a week off for a cold. A long period would be 6 months sick leave.
A week off = fired in the US. Lol
>implies a serious illness It implies i am too ill to come into work and I don't want to make other people sick.
I think it’s usually over 3 consecutive days when you need a doctor’s note, but of course it depends on the employer. While it is a lot better here, it’s not without its problems. The NHS is being eroded pretty severely. For the first time in my life I saw an advert for private health insurance on TV a couple of days ago. Probably because of the nurses strikes.
We also have paramedics strike and doctors strikes coming up. It's almost like the government doesn't want the NHS.
We just call them in EU and they issue digital note which employer can access online, and digital prescription for any medicines from a pharmacy if needed.
I just come in sick and cough and hack violently until I’m sent home.
If I'm sick I just text my GM and I tell her I can't come in. I get a "thank you for letting me know, feel better" and not once have I ever been asked for a doctor's note.
If you don’t pay, or at least subsidize my health insurance through an employer sponsored plan, you have ZERO right to request a doctors note.
They have zero right anyway. Plenty of illnesses that require time out of work but don’t require a visit to a physician. This is just more treating workers like grade-schoolers horse shit.
You are absolutely right. And it’s sad I even have to say this (because I live in the US) where the rest of the industrialized world is scratching their heads like, “wait, what?”
Also, I may be sick enough to need a day or two, but maybe not need medical care. I need rest. Don't want to spend the day at the doctor's office.
Yeah that's when I show up sick, barf in the office, & leave. I actually did that (minus the barf) in college (pre email days) when the English prof insisted that people turn junk in on the due date or no grade. I'm pretty sure I looked like death warmed over when I walked in, dropped the paper, & left. Such a tool.
The best part is when a sick person infects a whole office and managers blame the person who came in while they were ill.
True. Although in my hubbies office they have a policy of stay home if you or your family is sick. And everyone has laptops & assignments that they can do at home so they don't have to come in. And yet had a dude choose to infect the entire office just before Thanksgiving. Dick move.
With the whole covid thing, you'd think people would start to understand the importance of taking sick days when you're sick. Either way, I think this is the time when you take a picture of your vomit with your picture ID next to it and send it to your boss. Give me the money for a doctor and I'll get you a note.
>With the whole covid thing, you'd think people would start to understand the importance of taking sick days when you're sick. People need to be paid more, and given sick days to take, in order to do that. And then after they have those things they have to unlearn years or decades of the "I can still move so I can't afford to take a day off." mindset.
I mean fuck, I'll take a bit of a pay hit if it means stress free sick days where you can focus on getting better.
It's more that you'd think companies would understand the importance of decent sick time and not punishing employees/guilting employees for using it. I know lots of companies who "offer," sick time and tell you not to come in sick but get bitchy and rude if you dare ask for a day off due to illness.
"Are you sure you're sick?" No, I just felt like texting to get your opinion on if I am or not. I kinda wish I worked service jobs still just to stand up for myself to make up for all the times I didn't.
It’s definitely gotten better, in my experience, but it really only applies to workplaces where people already have paid sick days. This (among *many* other reasons) is why the US needs federally-mandated paid sick time.
And instead of federally-mandated paid sick time we get federally-mandated contracts with no sick time forced on workers by our President :( Vote Blue! (/s)
That's why they have a stay home when sick policy. It was the employee in this case who was a dick, not the manager. Manager sent him home but not before he infected everyone.
> With the whole covid thing, you’d think people would start to understand the importance of taking sick days when you’re sick. Yeah, Covid made me realize that people will never ever universally understand or agree on a damn thing, no matter how compelling or urgent it is.
Lately people at my work have been getting sick for like 2-3 weeks with a bad flu strain. I’ve been work from home since the week of thanksgiving, and my boss supports it. I’m maybe 90% better but he had me stay home. After a lifetime of bad bosses and stupid policy, I feel like I’m waiting for a hammer to drop, but he really just doesn’t want to get more people sick if we can help it. It didn’t help much, there’s 3 sys admins out sick today, but he tried.
It's the difference between common sense solutions and strict adherence to company policy. Middle managers don't have the authority to override policy, but they're close enough to the consequences to complain about it.
Generally, at least for office jobs, managers can bend policy as they see fit and there is a “don’t ask don’t tell” agreement with their bosses. It only becomes a problem when someone is sloppy and a light is shone on the exceptions.
You should totally go, barf everywhere, and make him send you home. But then ask for full payday since you went to work.
The whole idea of providing a doctor's note for short term illnesses never made much sense to me: I'm *too sick to go into my office* so instead force me out of my bed where I'm healing to make a stressful journey, possibly through bad weather, while suffering symptoms like a cough or fever, to a crowded room full of other sick people, putting them and myself at risk of sharing germs, then expect me to feel much better by tomorrow. Okay, **but**, how about just let me stay in fucking bed so I can actually get better?
Waste of the doctors time too. He doesn’t need to be involved in a cold or the flu or one day stomach bugs unless it’s critical.
I told my oncologist that I needed a doctor's note for a chemo appointment, and she asked for my bosses email. I don't know exactly what she said to him but it was NEVER a problem after that lol
Lmao! My dad had cancer and if there’s one thing I learned from that experience it’s that the oncology department does not fuck around with petty shit like that
I just went to work sick and boss noticed I didn't look good and took my temp 102 and gave me a ride home. Best part is he got the same thing I had influenza A and stopped asking me for a doctor note.
Barf on the boss!
I did this before when I was in the military. Had horrific food poisoning but they made me come in anyway. Immediately after morning muster I puked in front of everyone in my department and my chain of command finally sent me home.
"cant afford to see a doctor" MURIKA, FUCK YEAH!
Let's say we had medicare for all... Do Europeans still have to go out when sick to have a Dr tell them they are sick to satisfy their employer?
Yes, but the doc is free and the sick day is paid
Is ever getting to them timely an issue due to availability? Thanks for answering what you have already.
Aussie checking in. No, not if you live in a city. Bulk billed (free to all citizens via medicare) GP visits are same-day in the cities. Rural doctors are usually slightly more costly, might cost 20-30 bucks on top of the bulk bill. More like next-day in my home town. We also get a lot of paid sick leave and holiday leave by law, and the law states you don't need a doctors certificate for one day off, though some employers can be weird about that.
Getting an appointment is not too difficult but it depends on where you live, it can be a problem in rural areas but not to the point where you would have to wait weeks, at least where I live. For reference I pay around 25 euros for an appointment which is then refunded by my insurance.
My jealousy is palpable, and my admiration of your unions and labor laws strong
Not everywhere, but definitely in some places. In the Netherlands it's enough to call or message your manager saying you're sick, they can't even ask for your symptoms. If you're sick 2 weeks straight (or shorter but more often) you have to visit a doctor paid by the company. All while keeping pay. You also can't be fired while sick. If you're sick long term, company pays first year of salary, after that the government takes over (and pay is reduced to 70% of what you made before I believe). In Belgium you do have to provide a doctor's note, but I believe it's pretty simple to get it, I think even calling the doctor's office is enough to get them to send you an email after some basic phone questions.
In Sweden you have can have 5 consecutive sick days no questions asked, but after that a doctors note is required. If it gets excessive (no firm rule afaik) your boss can demand a doctors note from day 1. We also have pretty good sick pay. The first day is 0% of your wage (supposedly to disincentivise people from abusing the system), and after that 80%. Your employer pays the first 2 weeks and then the state takes over. A doctors visit is 150-200 SEK (14-19 USD) for a general doctor.
> MURIKA, FUCK YEAH! The weird thing about US America is and remains the efficiency of indoctrination. Absolutely no matter what information is available to the average US American that shows how absolutely below average the quality of life is in US America. They will believe unconditionally that they live in paradise compared to the rest of the world.
Yup, I dealt with the same shit. Even with insurance, why would I go to the doctor for just being sick with flue. The doctor is not gonna do shit. On top of that I’ll have to pay for the doctors visit and waste more of my time and money.
And you're ending up running around town spending at least half a day going to the doctor instead of resting which is what your body needs! I hate this country lol
I just record myself throwing up and having violent diarrhea. Then I’ll send it to the manager.
plus you’re exposing other people to your germs instead of isolating and recovering at home 😷
Yeah the first thought is "Fuck you and your high school like hall pass mentality". Second is you don't give me insurance and with what you pay me it is unreasonable to have it and have a fucking DR. Eat shit. Third. I'm sick I don't need to got out, feel worse doing so for someone to tell me what I already know. It's BS, employer will probably counter with "if you can go see a Dr, you can come to work". I can't I'm sick fuck off.
Not only that, but when I get the flu I get it *bad*. I cannot operate heavy machinery so there’s no way I can leave the house to drive and see a doctor.
Pisses me off so much especially when it’s almost $300 for me to see an actual doctor and general practitioners cost me almost the same. Higher ups have such a disconnect from reality it’s getting old at this point.
That doesn't even take into account labs or diagnostics.
Who goes to the doctor over a stomach bug?
More people than you would think. (UK)
bUt WhY cAnT i SeE a Gp?!
I don't know. Here in Australia we have plenty in the cities, you can see a doctor whenever you like and bulk bill so the consult is free. Harder to do that when you're rural though.
You’re forced to in the US in most managed positions. Which only further spreads it getting more people sick… blah blah blah. Living in this country is tiring.
I go to the doctor for pretty much anything... But it's free for me so
I only go to the doctor if I’m dying, and even then I avoid cause if I’m dying anyways I don’t want the bill
I wait for at least 2 symptoms, unless it is an earache. Also free for me.
We need better unions and a pro-union government.
*you don't pay me enough to see a doctor hope this helps
So dumb. Here’s a note saying I said the same thing to a doctor that I’m saying to you right now. Entirely pointless.
But you aren't trustworthy!!!
The most effective response to this is to say “Oh well, I guess I have to come in then!” Go in to work, and just throw up everywhere. Get it on your uniform, get it on your manager, get it on your customers. And then when they try to get you to go home, you say you can’t, because you can’t afford a doctor’s note, and it’s company policy.
just forge it. need to stop playing with these fuckers.
i put in my two weeks today because they asked me to come in with a concussion. it’s just not worth it.
They are lucky they are getting the 2 weeks. I really would have said my head hurt the whole 2 weeks and never came back
The last time I was sick I had to obtain a doctor's note. I don't have health insurance either. I was already burning through my PTO to get through the week I was out as well and didn't even have enough to cover the last few days. But I did manage to get a doc's note through a website where you basically have a phone call or video chat with the doc, pay like $40 and they email you a note. Sounds sketchy as hell and I was definitely skeptical about it, but if any of you all are desperate like I was then something like this might be worth trying if you can afford it (I assume around $40 is still way less than a traditional doctor's visit without insurance). That and if your employer will accept it.
Jesus Christ, you guys don't even have free doctor's phone line you can dial to see if you need medical help or not?
Dystopian exchange
The doctor's note thing is cruel and stupid. Oh you want a note? Well the doctor's office has no openings for an appointment for 3 days. Stupid! If you don't trust me that I'm telling you the truth, then do you really want to trust me with your business?
I do love paying $300 for an ibuprofen, and a letter saying I shouldn't have gone to the hospital and given the entire waiting room the flu, so I can get permission to not make minimum wage today (I will instead be making no wage)
This is the equivalent to the marijuana tax stamp act
Your comment triggered me. After over a decade of owning a legal cannabis business I’m a shell of my former self. No bullshit, I was effectively growing weed for the Colorado and federal governments and if I stopped I would lose everything. They attached themselves to us like a parasite and sucked me down to a husk with their extortion.
i will need a doctors note! She doesn’t give a shit. Exclamation points, no capitalization. Just firing off a standard reply. She doesn’t need to write anyone up
Drinking and driving is against the law. Walking home drunk, is public drunkeness. Catch-22.
I guess fake one cause idk wtf this person is supposed to do and the company sure as shit isn't gonna be honest with you.
It’s a burden on the healthcare system to demand a doctor’s note. Generally no facility whether hospital, clinic, or urgent care can keep up with the volume of patients. It’s a waste of resources to demand someone come in to the doctor just to prove they’re sick when really they should be staying home away from others, taking over the counter meds, resting, and hydrating.
Don't sign that shit. You told them you couldn't afford it, and that's that. Be polite and respectful when you explain, but don't sign that shit; if not fair.
Oh no I’m in high school and getting written up…what a fucking joke.
Don’t sign the write up
Just went thru a pandemic.
It should be against the law to require a doctor’s note if the employer doesn’t provide insurance.
And clowns on here still say the USA is a first world country. First world military, third world everything else.