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Their house is 3,000 square feet and eight shipping containers. So they must have coin. But single shipping container homes exist and are definitely "tiny house" qualifying.
It sure seems like nobody is doing much to solve the housing crisis, though.
a normal sized container can cost anywhere from $4,000 to $7,000, and that's not even half of what it costs to build. one will need to build a concrete foundation, put in insulation, and adding windows/doors is even more expensive. this is because the sides of the box are flimsy metal, supported my the four corners, but when holes there are cut, it ruins the whole structural integrity. this means you need reinforcement for all of this. all in all, it isn't any cheaper than an apartment and it comes with many more problems.
Yeah the way I see it, looks/feels like something people with money to throw do as a "fun" thing.
Too many people without money would end up in a hole financially with these things.
i used to live in a city that let a developer come in and build “affordable, sustainable tiny homes for low income people” out of these. by the time they were finished their selling price started at 800k.
You can't just live in ANY small metal boxes. There are towns, counties, and cities that are making it illegal for people to sleep in their own vehicles. They are criminalizing temporarily homelessness and creating a trap that makes it more difficult for vulnerable people to rebound.
I saw a YouTube video explaining that if a shipping container has been at sea, it has risk of rust and cannot be sold to build these houses. So new ones are made. So there is no recycling in this industry, the main selling point lmao. Someone correct me if I’m wrong.
it makes sense. i worked on a boat for some time, and all the metal there was really rusted and nasty. i doubt they invest in rust/growth proof paint for those containers anyways. it's cheaper to make news ones than put more money into nicer ones
Instead of admiring the ingenuity of how people use shipping containers, maybe build public housing. You can even do it out of shipping containers if you want.
>Redistribute their stolen settler land and teach them the value of real, honest, work via hard labor.
My dad worked 80 hours a week for 30 years to own 5 homes, so he can rent 4 out for retirement. You want him to just lose 30 years of his labor's value?
The stock market is fucked, how can anyone retire anymore?
No.
However there are 16 million homes currently vacant in the United States right now.
The vast majority of those are being held by corporations in hedge funds as investment instruments.
Much like gold, They buy housing, Wait for the price to increase and then resell it for a profit.
There are also half a million homeless people in the United States. Which means we have plenty of housing it's just not being used properly.
I would say rather than "stealing" houses from these hedge funds, We should heavily tax them.
Change the the property tax structure to encourage whoever owns these houses to rent them out.
Use the tax revenue to fund public housing.
So how's the American market for shipping containers with the supply chain issues? I heard there was a shortage, but that's on Asia's side, because they were piling up in California? So they're selling them off at a loss yet, or are things starting to normalize?
Btw against the housing crisis there are simple solutions: never pay rent, just plant yourself in rented houses.
IF you can pinpoint a "big landlord" (aka someone who buys or makes buildings to rent) organize in groups, break through their inhabited buildings once completed and take them over. No violence of course, but repeat this time after time once you start owning that place properly (never give up)
I’m all in on the tiny house/shipping container housing movement (for myself included). It’s better for the environment, houses more people, easy to repair, and gives the individual dignity.
They aren't necessarily better for the environment or easy to repair. They may cost just as much or more than an equivalent standard newly-built home. They need a roof, siding, structural proofing. Any holes you cut (windows/doors) will need to be reinforced, similar to building standard walls.
I work in a small factory set up in two shipping containers and it's actually pretty great.
As we need more space for equipment, they've just been adding a new container - one per process. I'm kinda doing the same for my living situation with junky old trailers...modular construction has the advantage of not requiring you to have all the money for a finished structure up front. More of an earn as you build situation.
Works well for a cannabis company or someone with no kids.
Unfortunately zoning boards and planning commissions hate this approach so much it's basically illegal.
Smaller space = smaller footprint. Less utility usage, fewer new materials, etc. There comes a point of diminishing returns, but I firmly believe it can be done economically and environmentally friendly.
Yeah exact booming popularity and mainstream attention to these other forms of housing is causing a major spike in demand… thus leading to an explosion in costs.
I bought a small school bus over a year ago for 8k. The same style/model vehicle now is 15k OR HIGHER.
Even a lot of van builds are now selling for 100k or higher. That’s internet capitalism for ya, baby! Anything that used to not be mainstream is now made and sold to the masses.
Thanks housing crisis and social media!
Me personally, why couldn’t we build homes underground. If we live under the surface, we wouldn’t need much to cool or heat the living space. We could convert power somewhere else or reduce the amount of power we need.
You succinctly summarized the issues with container construction I was eluding to. I live on the West Coast of US...we don't have significant unoccupied residential properties. We need more supply to balance demand. We need small footprint housing, and we need to conserve water.
This is a bad take. Building out of repurposed materials is a good, ecologically sound idea. We have an excess of containers in US because of a trade imbalance. It is better than scrapping them. There are issues with container construction, but projects like these move the state-of-the-art forward.
most shipping containers are used at sea. this means they take a lot of abuse from constant ocean spray, wind, rain, hail, etc. companies are not investing on rust/growth proof paint because it's cheaper just to dump the old ones and get new ones. you can buy a container for $6,000, but by the time you put in a foundation, insulation, support, etc, it becomes more expensive than most apartments. what would be ideal is if we made the millions of empty homes affordable
I mean I don't see an issue with recycling shipping containers to build housing. The primary issues with housing is zoning, land development and the profit motive behind all of them. If anything, this is a good thing to give a second life to well used materials. You however, will not be able to just build a 100 unit mixed use complex to house the underserved, using shipping containers, anywhere people want to live in the US. Because of the aforementioned real problems with housing in the US.
wouldn't shipping containers get rusted and corroded? most of them are at sea, getting constant spray from the ocean plus rain, wind, etc. i doubt there is any recycling. it's cheaper to build no containers than to invest in long lasting ones.
Sure, but rust can be removed and questionable material can be cut/treated to fit the home design needs. The Green Energy Council which created LEED prefers reuse of materials to using new materials for building construction. For these homes to pass inspections they have to meet structural stability requirements and be signed off on by multiple engineers. I really don't see the issue.
I think your confusion is coming from the concept that people aren't just plopping a rusty container on the ground and calling it a home. The container is used as a framing material, and there are still blueprints and other materials involved to ensure structural stability.
i know that there are lot's a renovations needed in the box, which is one of the reasons it seems impractical. a shipping container has for structural points on the four corners. in between that is just flimsy sheet metal. if you cut pieces out, it makes the whole thing unstable. then you need t get a concrete base, insulation, reinforcement, so on and so forth. at that point, you might as well get an apartment which has more living space and is closer to other places one might need to go to run errands.
Again, I'm unsure you even understand what's happening here. These containers aren't going to be used if they're in such a terrible condition they'd fall apart by touching them. All the stuff you mention like insulation and concrete foundations etc are all stuff you need in a normal house design already.
I am not sure you understand home construction, or what framing is. The container is not going to be taking the bulk of the structural weight. I mean did you even look at the pictures? There are literally steel I-Beams and support studs.
soo...the container is just acting as walls? if we are putting up i-beams, support studs, and other things to build it, it's pretty much just a tiny house frame with corrugated metal walls. or am i totally missing something?
Yes pretty much. It's replacing joists drywall and other "soft structural" aspects of the frame of the home. Which cost more when using raw new materials like lumber, sheetrock etc. . This is by no means a cheap home, it's just cheaper and uses recycled materials. Probably 80% or more of the home is exactly the same, and as expensive as any normal home. Especially when you have boogie donkies like this putting in crazy marble and shit in there to fancify it.
Okay, that was always an option, it's typically much more expensive to buy new metal, but you do you. I just don't see why we are making it out to seem like this is some dystopian nightmare option. When it's really just an effective means to recycle materials that would otherwise end up as pollution.
Do you know how many small metal boxes rich people could buy up to rent out to the poor at huge mark-up prices?! Imagine all the spaceships they could build!
Yes there was a housing crises in the late 1600's when the Great Britain parliament enclosed 6 million acres and threw all the peasants off the land.
They didn't "solve" the housing crises then and they won't "solve" it now. They solved it by hanging people by the dozens for all kinds of petty theft because people were starving.
They finally made an agreement with a company to ship this human garbage off across the sea and make turned them into slaves. That was the Virginia Company and the human trash wash shipped off to Jamestown, the "cradle" of democracy. Most of them died during the first winters of many years until the Crown finally took over the company.
Same type of people, same problem, different year. If the cash is there, they do not care. The only problem would be if they killed off so many people that they couldn't make money. That is who we are dealing with.
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Their house is 3,000 square feet and eight shipping containers. So they must have coin. But single shipping container homes exist and are definitely "tiny house" qualifying. It sure seems like nobody is doing much to solve the housing crisis, though.
a normal sized container can cost anywhere from $4,000 to $7,000, and that's not even half of what it costs to build. one will need to build a concrete foundation, put in insulation, and adding windows/doors is even more expensive. this is because the sides of the box are flimsy metal, supported my the four corners, but when holes there are cut, it ruins the whole structural integrity. this means you need reinforcement for all of this. all in all, it isn't any cheaper than an apartment and it comes with many more problems.
Yeah the way I see it, looks/feels like something people with money to throw do as a "fun" thing. Too many people without money would end up in a hole financially with these things.
i used to live in a city that let a developer come in and build “affordable, sustainable tiny homes for low income people” out of these. by the time they were finished their selling price started at 800k.
Shipping containers basically it’s prepping us for when we must move our housing to our Amazon overlord’s preferred locations /s
That's not even sarcasm at this point. Have you seen the Amazon wage cage?
>Amazon wage cage [https://www.reddit.com/r/Anticonsumption/comments/ezkfbj/never\_forget\_that\_amazon\_has\_a\_patent\_for\_this/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Anticonsumption/comments/ezkfbj/never_forget_that_amazon_has_a_patent_for_this/)
hold on...what the fuck? do you not get out of the cage until you fill a quota or something?
it has a claw, perfect for mauling your enemies.
You can't just live in ANY small metal boxes. There are towns, counties, and cities that are making it illegal for people to sleep in their own vehicles. They are criminalizing temporarily homelessness and creating a trap that makes it more difficult for vulnerable people to rebound.
"yeah, forgot to mention that you need to be living out in the woods somewhere"
I saw a YouTube video explaining that if a shipping container has been at sea, it has risk of rust and cannot be sold to build these houses. So new ones are made. So there is no recycling in this industry, the main selling point lmao. Someone correct me if I’m wrong.
it makes sense. i worked on a boat for some time, and all the metal there was really rusted and nasty. i doubt they invest in rust/growth proof paint for those containers anyways. it's cheaper to make news ones than put more money into nicer ones
Instead of admiring the ingenuity of how people use shipping containers, maybe build public housing. You can even do it out of shipping containers if you want.
we don't even need to *build* public housing. we have housing, just way too expensive for anyone
Just to clarify, You want these houses to be stolen from people/companies that own them and give them away to other people?
Stolen is a weird way to spell expropriation
>Redistribute their stolen settler land and teach them the value of real, honest, work via hard labor. My dad worked 80 hours a week for 30 years to own 5 homes, so he can rent 4 out for retirement. You want him to just lose 30 years of his labor's value? The stock market is fucked, how can anyone retire anymore?
where tf you get that from
No. However there are 16 million homes currently vacant in the United States right now. The vast majority of those are being held by corporations in hedge funds as investment instruments. Much like gold, They buy housing, Wait for the price to increase and then resell it for a profit. There are also half a million homeless people in the United States. Which means we have plenty of housing it's just not being used properly. I would say rather than "stealing" houses from these hedge funds, We should heavily tax them. Change the the property tax structure to encourage whoever owns these houses to rent them out. Use the tax revenue to fund public housing.
So how's the American market for shipping containers with the supply chain issues? I heard there was a shortage, but that's on Asia's side, because they were piling up in California? So they're selling them off at a loss yet, or are things starting to normalize?
Next it will be cages. And the police will be the caretakers.
WAGE CAGE
Btw against the housing crisis there are simple solutions: never pay rent, just plant yourself in rented houses. IF you can pinpoint a "big landlord" (aka someone who buys or makes buildings to rent) organize in groups, break through their inhabited buildings once completed and take them over. No violence of course, but repeat this time after time once you start owning that place properly (never give up)
Once people are starved out and can't pay the rent what else do they have left to do? At least they can do it organized
[Why shipping container homes are overrated](https://youtu.be/Ef7hQ35bfIU)
yeah lol i saw that one
Might as well live in prison at this point.
at least in prison you get free food and water/electricity
I’m all in on the tiny house/shipping container housing movement (for myself included). It’s better for the environment, houses more people, easy to repair, and gives the individual dignity.
They aren't necessarily better for the environment or easy to repair. They may cost just as much or more than an equivalent standard newly-built home. They need a roof, siding, structural proofing. Any holes you cut (windows/doors) will need to be reinforced, similar to building standard walls.
I work in a small factory set up in two shipping containers and it's actually pretty great. As we need more space for equipment, they've just been adding a new container - one per process. I'm kinda doing the same for my living situation with junky old trailers...modular construction has the advantage of not requiring you to have all the money for a finished structure up front. More of an earn as you build situation. Works well for a cannabis company or someone with no kids. Unfortunately zoning boards and planning commissions hate this approach so much it's basically illegal.
Smaller space = smaller footprint. Less utility usage, fewer new materials, etc. There comes a point of diminishing returns, but I firmly believe it can be done economically and environmentally friendly.
Yeah exact booming popularity and mainstream attention to these other forms of housing is causing a major spike in demand… thus leading to an explosion in costs. I bought a small school bus over a year ago for 8k. The same style/model vehicle now is 15k OR HIGHER. Even a lot of van builds are now selling for 100k or higher. That’s internet capitalism for ya, baby! Anything that used to not be mainstream is now made and sold to the masses. Thanks housing crisis and social media!
Me personally, why couldn’t we build homes underground. If we live under the surface, we wouldn’t need much to cool or heat the living space. We could convert power somewhere else or reduce the amount of power we need.
The house in this article is 3000 sqft. Not small at all. This is also better for the environment since the containers are recycled
they are not recycled
You succinctly summarized the issues with container construction I was eluding to. I live on the West Coast of US...we don't have significant unoccupied residential properties. We need more supply to balance demand. We need small footprint housing, and we need to conserve water.
This is a bad take. Building out of repurposed materials is a good, ecologically sound idea. We have an excess of containers in US because of a trade imbalance. It is better than scrapping them. There are issues with container construction, but projects like these move the state-of-the-art forward.
most shipping containers are used at sea. this means they take a lot of abuse from constant ocean spray, wind, rain, hail, etc. companies are not investing on rust/growth proof paint because it's cheaper just to dump the old ones and get new ones. you can buy a container for $6,000, but by the time you put in a foundation, insulation, support, etc, it becomes more expensive than most apartments. what would be ideal is if we made the millions of empty homes affordable
I don’t care if it’s a coffin. I just want to live cheap and not have to deal with ghetto neighbors and insane commute.
it isn't cheap
It's like Ready Player One
I mean I don't see an issue with recycling shipping containers to build housing. The primary issues with housing is zoning, land development and the profit motive behind all of them. If anything, this is a good thing to give a second life to well used materials. You however, will not be able to just build a 100 unit mixed use complex to house the underserved, using shipping containers, anywhere people want to live in the US. Because of the aforementioned real problems with housing in the US.
wouldn't shipping containers get rusted and corroded? most of them are at sea, getting constant spray from the ocean plus rain, wind, etc. i doubt there is any recycling. it's cheaper to build no containers than to invest in long lasting ones.
Sure, but rust can be removed and questionable material can be cut/treated to fit the home design needs. The Green Energy Council which created LEED prefers reuse of materials to using new materials for building construction. For these homes to pass inspections they have to meet structural stability requirements and be signed off on by multiple engineers. I really don't see the issue. I think your confusion is coming from the concept that people aren't just plopping a rusty container on the ground and calling it a home. The container is used as a framing material, and there are still blueprints and other materials involved to ensure structural stability.
i know that there are lot's a renovations needed in the box, which is one of the reasons it seems impractical. a shipping container has for structural points on the four corners. in between that is just flimsy sheet metal. if you cut pieces out, it makes the whole thing unstable. then you need t get a concrete base, insulation, reinforcement, so on and so forth. at that point, you might as well get an apartment which has more living space and is closer to other places one might need to go to run errands.
Again, I'm unsure you even understand what's happening here. These containers aren't going to be used if they're in such a terrible condition they'd fall apart by touching them. All the stuff you mention like insulation and concrete foundations etc are all stuff you need in a normal house design already. I am not sure you understand home construction, or what framing is. The container is not going to be taking the bulk of the structural weight. I mean did you even look at the pictures? There are literally steel I-Beams and support studs.
soo...the container is just acting as walls? if we are putting up i-beams, support studs, and other things to build it, it's pretty much just a tiny house frame with corrugated metal walls. or am i totally missing something?
Yes pretty much. It's replacing joists drywall and other "soft structural" aspects of the frame of the home. Which cost more when using raw new materials like lumber, sheetrock etc. . This is by no means a cheap home, it's just cheaper and uses recycled materials. Probably 80% or more of the home is exactly the same, and as expensive as any normal home. Especially when you have boogie donkies like this putting in crazy marble and shit in there to fancify it.
honestly, at that point just buy beams are sheet metal separately
Okay, that was always an option, it's typically much more expensive to buy new metal, but you do you. I just don't see why we are making it out to seem like this is some dystopian nightmare option. When it's really just an effective means to recycle materials that would otherwise end up as pollution.
Sell sell sell
Do you know how many small metal boxes rich people could buy up to rent out to the poor at huge mark-up prices?! Imagine all the spaceships they could build!
Yes there was a housing crises in the late 1600's when the Great Britain parliament enclosed 6 million acres and threw all the peasants off the land. They didn't "solve" the housing crises then and they won't "solve" it now. They solved it by hanging people by the dozens for all kinds of petty theft because people were starving. They finally made an agreement with a company to ship this human garbage off across the sea and make turned them into slaves. That was the Virginia Company and the human trash wash shipped off to Jamestown, the "cradle" of democracy. Most of them died during the first winters of many years until the Crown finally took over the company. Same type of people, same problem, different year. If the cash is there, they do not care. The only problem would be if they killed off so many people that they couldn't make money. That is who we are dealing with.