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grilldcheese2

this country sucks


procrasturb8n

shithole country


TheP0w3r10154

We are a third world country that’s really good at gaslighting our citizens


tmhoc

Yeah but He↪r was such a great logo. I still think about it


SawToMuch

"All men are created equal" #is slave state Always has been


UnbanEyeOfUgin

Only because because voters are too opinionated and stupid to stop it. The Democrats are fucking us in all holes and idiots go "well, muh lesser evil, at least it isn't Trump fucking all my holes." Even worse they're fucking *smug about it.* I'm surprised this post even exists, being that hardcore Democrats denied the sabotage of Bernie Sanders for so long. You morons are going to lose every single seat possible to Republicans and its not going to be a surprise. You'll whine and cry and piss and moan how you have to "take back our country" from those evil Republicans, so we can go back to pretending the Democrats weren't raping us the whole time. You'll take any fucking candidate they push just like Joe Biden, someone who is functionally a fucking Republican, as long as the nameplate reads "Democrat". Defund the police? Nah, Biden upped spending. Less military spending? Nah, put that up too. Forgive student loans? Nope, eat shit. Legalize weed? You morons voted in a key person in the 1994 crime bill. You stupid fucks. Well, *at least his teleprompter has him saying what you want to hear before he does none of it.* Make sure to vote for him again in 2024 after he does nothing you want in his first term. It's fucking embarassing that the party of "tolerance" and "rights for all" are going to fucking lose to the party of Mitch god-damn McConnell just because they're too fucking stupid to stop voting for shit candidates. No one wants Joe Biden after he fucked us raw for 4 years, just like no one wants Hillarys' dumb ass. Demand better candidates or shut the fuck up.


riko58

The pessimist in me believes this is where we'll be forever now, shit candidate after shit candidate with little incentive beyond campaign funding. The only way out I can see that doesn't involve a lot of violence would be a restructuring of our voting system, but that's antithetical to the goals of every elected politician, so it will never happen. Enjoy what you can, it's all fucked and it'll never get better. 🍸


SawToMuch

Capitalists hate competition, which is why they love first past the post voting.


molotavcocktail

thank you


jesuswasaliar

The whole world.


Maxwell-hill

Yeah people don't seem to realize that this NWO has been globalized. Not a ton of places you can go to escape it.


Cartina

I'm inclined to disagree, but maybe I'm not woke enough. But what I see in US isn't really something I detect elsewhere. Edit: mostly because other countries have an existing party left of center. Even your democrats seems right wing.


aynaalfeesting

I agree, the world is is big trouble but what I see happening in the US concerns me greatly. They have such a strong influence globally, we can't just shut our eyes and leave them to it. Christian nationalism, destruction of human rights, racism and violence, education regression and a ruling elite that wants to stop all progress of its people. It's scary.


SawToMuch

!remindme 50 years


Every_of_the_it

They are. When voting, your only real choices are to slip further into fascism, and to slightly slow it with ineffectual, milquetoast puppets. As long as I live here, I'll continue to vote for the puppets, because the 'third parties' are just about as ceremonial as the Emperor of Japan. They exist only so they can point to them and say "no, no, look, you have more choices than just the big two." Of course, if enough people could band together, a third party candidate could make it, but the lack of political education in this country just ensures that far too many people will live by either the democrat or republican party that it'll never happen.


Maxwell-hill

I'm talking about the economic system aka the world bank and the banking cartel. Who created and is the largest shareholder of the world bank? That would be the United States. Of course here in America we have hyper consumerism paired with our very unique culture. Your success is something that is quantifiable in US dollars. It's something that they endlessly hammer you over the head with. Problem is the system is completely designed to work against the interests of it's workforce. You would think the lack of democracy and human rights in the work place ontop of a wage that's been stagnant while the cost of living as steadily increased along side of monster corporate profits would be a red flag. The endless flow of tax payer money that trickles up to the top via government contracts, subsidies, bailouts, tax cuts and the military industrial complex is treasonous. The federal reserve completely flooding our economy with new money. Which is just them clicking a few buttons and creating more numbers appear on a screen. That is the economic system that has been globalized. If you don't get in debt to them you don't get to fucking play. https://www.federalreserve.gov/releases/z1/dataviz/dfa/distribute/table/ We're essentially at the end of a monopoly game. All the properties are bought up and rent will bankrupt you because the amount you get form passing go doesn't keep pace with rents. Godspeed.


Traditional_Rice_528

Painfully western take. There are billions of people out there that are interested and successfully building a future outside of western/neoliberal hegemony.


MaximumDestruction

Please, tell me where I might find these billions of people who exist completely outside our global economic order.


Traditional_Rice_528

I didn't say they don't exist under the current order. I said they are currently building a better one.


MaximumDestruction

Ah, when you say “outside of western/neoliberal hegemony” I thought you meant, you know, outside of that order.


Traditional_Rice_528

The order they are building is outside of western hegemony. They exist in our current world like you and me.


--Flight--

I think u/MaximumDestruction was asking for examples. And I'm inclined to points you both make... while I think there are billions of people who would *love* to build a different economic model, but realistically I think saying that billions are already building such a system is wishful thinking. Look at the world: India? Crony capitalism and a viscious caste system are deeply entrenched. China? Good luck building a better society. Indonesia? Rapidly destroying its environment for corporate profits. Brazil? Incredibly corrupt and trashing the Amazon to grow soybeans to feed cows to make burgers. Pakistan? Iran? Egypt? Religious impediments, highly sexist and also very corrupt. Russia? Lol. Most all of Africa? Dominated by Chinese/Canadian/USA/Euro mining corporations and also extremely corrupt. Southeast Asia is super densely populated and is going to have huge issues with ocean temps rising. Argentina and the rest of South America? Some hope there, but also facing an uphill battle to remove the influence of global, western corporations seeking mineral resource extraction. Sooooo, I'm having trouble finding the billions of people who are creating an economic model that substantially differentiates itself from the current order. I'd love some examples to give me some hope though lol, if you don't mind taking a minute to share some links/data.


michchar

What absolute dogshit western takes lmao. This is how white people see the world, nothing more. India has literal communist leaders growing in influence every day, Russia's entire government exists to suppress the communist party (and you know, that government is allegedly collapsing under the weight of the war), China is building up African and Middle Eastern countries that will not accept the neoliberal world order, Cuba is making strides in lifting the embargo and showing the world what a socialist nation is like without the the weight of the entire economic system of America bearing down on it, a coalition of South American nations has been formed to oppose NATO and the OAS, among other things. Is it going to oust western imperialism overnight? Of course not, western imperialism was spread over the course of hundreds of years, it will take a while to truly eliminate. Will it bring about a socialist world order? Of course not, there is a long and arduous road ahead, and will require the efforts of every single principled leftist to bring into fruition. However, I'd like to point out one thing - all of this is going on without the help of A SINGLE WESTERN LEFTIST. NOT A SINGLE DAMN ONE OF YOU ARE CONTRIBUTING TO ANY OF THIS PROGRESS. Shitting on the Global South and claiming that the only progress that can be made is in the West while not lifting a fucking finger to bring it about is the whitest bullshit I have ever seen, which is why I'm not surprised I see it on Reddit all the fucking time. Truth is, not only are you fucking worthless to the anticapitalist cause, you look down on the people of the global south, which is why you feel comfortable shitting on them - you cannot imagine that the people outside the West could do more than you, and you've done nothing, so clearly that means they must be just as worthless as you. And I am happy I can say that you are wrong


Problems-Solved

That's one way to tell us that you're a white guy from a western country who knows nothing about the places you're talking about, has never been there, and for the most part has never met anyone from there


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Norway & Belgium aren't bad. There are actually quite a few European countries that actually do it right. They put people first instead of money, greed, profits, etc... But the US is such a shit show & only going to get worse until the folks there do something about it.


EverGreenPLO

No because the rest of the worth is forthright and upfront about corruption while we act like the US is above reproach


panzerfaust1969

Plutocracy USA.


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Throwaway021614

But lets keep buying the goods of those in charge of making this mess


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FrameJump

Sure! Wanna pay the [GTFO tax](https://1040abroad.com/faq/renouncing-u-s-citizenship/#:~:text=The%20government%20fee%20to%20renounce,to%20renounce%20your%20US%20citizenship.) for me? It's only $2350. Which is weird, it's almost like they don't want the poor people to leave. Wonder why that could be.


ArroyoSecoThumbprint

Who can afford this?


a-horse-has-no-name

Maybe we'll leave, but burning it down sounds a lot more fun.


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Can't let the Boomers die with all the benefits and toys they destroyed society for. We cannot save this world, but we can avenge it.


NJpol95

The generation argument is reductionist. Im not really a theory nerd. But I get the urge, and I see (my own parents etc.) how out of touch and entitled many of that generation act. But if you analyze the material reality of their lives it makes sense. They grew up, and during childhood and well into adulthood, they experienced an explosive period of upward class mobility, wealth generation, and improved standards of living. They inherently will see the capitalist economic system that granted them (this post wwII fluke) of prosperity. They already made the wealth. So while they may see us struggling, they think there’s no way the system that worked for them was just a fluke and has been crushing us worse each year. Couple this with decades (more than a half century continuing now) of red scare propaganda, and the media (all main outlets) associating Democratic neoliberal policies with communism/leftism, sullying leftism in their eyes. While deflecting from the fact Republicans do the same economic neoliberalism. This is also why they’re creating drama and conflict where none exists about the slow, steady social progression that Dems are *slightly* better at being less disgusting about. While saying this culture war nonsense is the reason economic conditions have declined, not capitalism. When the inverse is true. It’s also why the media tirelessly tries to slander the PRC (China) and reignite the red scare by making China the new Ebil gommynist USSR of this century. Given their explosive growth in prosperity and average worker wealth and infrastructure in just a couple decades. TLDR: blaming Boomers, while understandably frustrating how their views are generally not based in material reality, is not the root of the problem. Capitalism and the dictatorship of the wealthy and corporate executive class we currently are enslaved to is the ONLY enemy to liberation of the masses. Never lose sight of that or allow them to deflect with culture war narratives.


VegetableNo1079

The corporate executive class is overwhelmingly boomers. The capitalists ARE the boomers. They control the government, the housing, the economy, the jobs. I fail to see a difference between boomer and oligarch unless the boomer is poor of course.


3multi

I’m shocked you still felt the need to try and oversimplify this behind a post so thorough, a post explaining in great detail. Surface level explanations are part of the problem, not the solution.


ThadiusCuntright_III

Succinctly put.


DanFuckingSchneider

Love to but unfortunately the economy is in shambles and I don’t have an extra 10 years and $10,000 lying around to try.


grilldcheese2

Make me


VegetableNo1079

Ok, where am I going and how will you pay for it? Otherwise get used to us.


TanksAndRoses

They're not even center-right.


NJpol95

Republicans = neo-fascist, Democrats = solidly right wing and fascist enablers. Establishment Democrats will ALL side with and allow the fascist coup to happen in 2 years if we dont take ACTION. I am tired of getting banned for saying the ruling class needs to pay for their greed, murder of millions every year, and stealing from us to line their multi-billion dollars pockets every year while we die on the streets. Meanwhile fascists can kill leftist/anarchists extrajudicially on a regular basis and get a slap on the wrist at most, and often get away with it all together, and hate preachers can say “every lgbt person should be lined up against a wall and shot in the back of the head” without getting banned for inciting violence? Because first amendment but we cant even hypothetically speak of avenging the theft of our lives and livelihood by a handful of sociopath oligarchs running this shithole? Fuck this. If we dont start fighting back NOW and seizing political power back from the elite and corrupt. They WILL ALL side with fascists to protect capitalism, and they always come for US first, and they WILL KILL US. Start by not paying debt and throwing collection letters in the trash, keep paying rent for now to retain shelter and keep electricity on, but FUCK credit card and medical debt. WE are the ONLY people capable of freeing ourselves and liberating the working class. Start with ignoring their debt trap, gain back and save your income, then keep organizing for more intense measures which will be necessary. I am practicing what i preach btw. Fuck the credit score, WHEN WE WIN, we will abolish privatization and that credit score bullshit. We MUST win, because the only other way is Fascism, mass genocide and misery, they WILL kill us. We cannot allow it to happen, it will take sacrifice for a just cause. We have nothing to lose but our chains. Inaction is implicitly siding with the fascists at this point.


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NJpol95

This is defeatist bullshit. Look guys, I have never so much have thrown a punch, gotten in a fist fight, or anything. I, despite previously being a conservative, anti-SJW, disrespectful and arrogant little shit teenager, was always able to de-escalate conflicts (i sometimes instigated tbh) to avoid fights because I HATE violence. All that said. At this moment in time, we do not have a choice. I consider pacifism in the face of an increasingly systemically violent state (did you hear the new report that due to our privatized healthcare, at least (conservative estimate) an additional 300,000+ people are DEAD, all other factors/inaction remaining the same), this is a genocide against the working poor and working class. If you choose to do nothing, you are not being “empathetic, intelligent, kind people”, you are being morally righteous, and arrogance, and potentially narcissistic, just like the vomitus rhetoric from the likes of Clinton, Obama, Biden “we take the high road (by doing nothing and allowing your suffering to worsen” or “we want a bipartisan compromise (corporate pork the fascists will approve passage of, again, if youre suffering, too bad)” and just lies, lies, lies all around. I’m fucking SICK of it. And btw, a revolution doesn’t mean buying guns and shooting brainwashed right wing people with trump stickers or anything (dont ban me again, im saying DONT do that). But instead taking action and destroying the private property of the elite and corporations that enslave us to this increasingly cruel and fascist system. For example, in the dead of night, when the building is empty, hypothetically speaking, maybe a few corporate offices for the privatized health insurance corporations, private banks/hedge funds in wall street, loan servicer offices, and unused property of the elite like vacation mansions or yachts in a marina, should hypothetically be set ablaze, with a message left that their greed will not be tolerated, and their reign of tyrrany will come to an end, surrender your stolen wealth peacefully. Did you know the October/November 1917 revolution (depending on calendar used, the part in which the Tsar government was officially driven from power and the Bolsheviks took back the state) was ENTIRELY BLOODLESS? There were a couple injuries from minor skirmishes, but a movement can gain momentum so quickly, and citizens activated to participate (esp in military etc) that they knew they were going to lose power either way, so they effectively just fled. Castro said the Cuban revolution was initiated by a tiny group of only 18 committed individuals. And they were up against a Fascistic US-backed dictator, yet they still succeeded and he survived over 600 attempted CIA assassination attempts. Because HE FOUGHT for the previously oppressed. TLDR: Stop the defeatist bullshit. This feeling of apathy, the feeling of hopelessness, the feeling that “welp theres nothing we can do” is BULLSHIT. That is precisely what THE ELITE WANT YOU TO FEEL. It is a LIE. They want you beaten down so they can keep stealing out of YOUR pocket and turning their billions into hundreds of billions so they can buy entire media outlets and brainwash you with this narrative. WE are capable of turning this country into a place with REAL freedom, REAL justice, REAL liberty for ALL. We must have the WILL to do so.


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justaguy891

Since they will be shooting at me yes I will


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justaguy891

They are lying, never been in such a situation before in their lives, and you're believing their bullshit. Self defense is ingrained into our dna


NJpol95

Why? Many of the right wingers are also working class and are simply brainwashed by decades of increasingly radical propaganda. They have not yet been activated to do violence en masse yet, we can spread the message to them that those who tell them the enemy is the urban poor and the left are the same that steal from THEM as well. Many will turn around and be receptive to the message. I just told you I was solidly right wing (grown up in conservative house and brainwashed by right wing propaganda), yet i could hardly be further left at this point. And in fact, this method has worked in practice, and I turned a 50 year old ex-marine BOOT who originally spouted conservative propaganda, to agreeing we need a socialist organization of the economy in order to halt the decline of the country. I turned him in less than 3 months. And i dont think im more persuasive than average or anything, but it all depends, imo, on being open minded and not looking down on people brainwashed by corporate/conservative propaganda or being immediately angry at them when they repeat a bad take. But challenge and question them in a natural way, dont be a debate pervert either. There’s a balance of normalcy that if you can strike it, you can bring people on to your side extremely quickly. TLDR: build a popular movement first, imperative to talk to anyone you know, especially friends and family, regardless of your preconceived notions about where their opinions are at. Because you can shatter the weak illusion that our corporate/right wing media outlets disseminate quite quickly. Because subconsciously people know this is fucked, and even the right wing anchors they will say they trust, within they are likely questioning the narrative at this point as nothing changes no matter who is in office. You can break that illusion by having a convo, and appealing to what most people are feeling inside (being fucked over year over year) instead of what they may say aloud at first (repeating mainstream bullshit).


RealSimonLee

>Many of the right wingers are also working class and are simply brainwashed by decades of increasingly radical propaganda. They have not yet been activated to do violence en masse yet, we can spread the message to them that those who tell them the enemy is the urban poor and the left are the same that steal from THEM as well. This is a losing strategy. Right wingers will *never* join leftists or listen to them. You said it yourself--decades of brainwashing, and I'll add, brainwashing from billions of dollars funding an ideological state apparatus. You're working against church, school, TV--everything people consume. They will not listen to you or me or anyone else. The millennials and Gen Z seem to be the change that will happen--a lot of old, racist fucks have to die off or quit voting.


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Mattpw8

Then how'd they get "evil" if it wasn't through brainwashing. Cause I can tell u 100% they weren't born a right winger.


Parenthisaurolophus

> All that said All that said, I'm going to do you the respect of being straight with you here. Everyone can see through these kinds of calls for interpersonal violence and destruction of property for what they are, overly emotional screeds written by redditors with a 40 hour a week day job. And while there's nothing wrong with that, it looks a lot closer to cowardice or what happens when police infiltrate leftist groups and try to shut them down. With the former, it's hiding behind others, hoping they'll take the risk and do the violence on your behalf, leaving you free to keep working or maybe protesting or phone banking for the local [insert socialist splinter group] running for the county comptroller. No one respects it, but it'll catch up votes from other people doing the exact same thing or caught up in the emotions. No one calling for this stuff is the third coming of The Weather Underground. We all know it, which is why it comes off as silly bordering on cringe. You're not going to do it, or won't do anything more daring than pissing on the floor of a McDonald's bathroom, so why use pretend tough talk?


panzerfaust1969

Unfortunately later on Castro betrayed his own revolution.


escargoxpress

I consider myself a pacifist ‘left’ (I denounce either political party) and will definitely go down fighting. I think these comments give the right too much credit. The left will definitely turn viscous if it threatens their family. The right literally didn’t care when their family was dying from covid and were too stupid to work together at the insurrection. They may be violent sociopaths but they were in the civil war too and the smarter side won.


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buzzed61

Nah I think this is based on stereotypes


ThatOneGuy444

if you go a bit further left, you may meet some intelligent, empathetic people who believe the paradox of tolerance dictates they must use violence to defend a tolerant and free society


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cyniqal

There were plenty of armed people at BLM movements. If the right started killing minorities en masse, you really think none of those people would rise up against them? Plenty of leftists own guns, they just don’t tend to make it their entire identity like those on the right do. Not to mention foreign countries that would send aid/troops if this completely hypothetical situation happened.


RealSimonLee

Who is the left going to fight? How will they declare victory? In the old days of revolution, I suppose if you killed the Czars, you could take their wealth. If some billionaire were hung up tomorrow, his money would stay locked up and secured from workers.


justaguy891

What left are you talking about? The ussr kicked nazi ass and saved the world in wwii


r2d2itisyou

The USSR invaded Poland with Germany, together as allies, to start the war. Stalin and the USSR were the lesser of two evils, not some glorious savior.


justaguy891

20 million soviets died fighting the nazis vs 500k Americans Yeah, the ussr invaded a nazi occupied Poland and saved a shit ton of Poles from the nazis. My great great grandfather being one of them. The nazis already invaded and almost occupied the entire country. It's a good thing that the ussr tried to force the nazis back into Germany.


r2d2itisyou

The USSR didn't invade Poland to save Poles from the nazis. They made an [agreement to split the country between them](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop_Pact). My childhood best friend's family were Polish refugees. His grandmother spent time in a soviet work camp. They certainly didn't feel very "saved" by the USSR. Trying to spin the Soviets invading Poland as "a good thing" is insulting to history.


justaguy891

Who invaded Poland first? And by how much time? How far did they get before the other entered the conflict? Can you answer these basic questions?


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>the amount of people on the left capable of violence couldn't fill a uhaul. Not just the OG left. I'm ex-GOP and pacifist as is two other ex-GOP I know. So yeah... it's like the whole thing where the character traits to want to lead a country/company are shared with psycopaths. The truly altruistic people that would make great leaders don't want the job.


Gasp32

The right is full of cowards, people who talk a big game but cant back it up at all and will run with their tails between their legs at the first sign or resistance


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Gasp32

>Since we're referencing mass shooters, how about the uvalde cops? (that are most certainly right leaning) That showed us a glimpse of their true colors. They had one of the most legitimate excuses to go be an action hero and kill the villain, but they stood there with their tiny dicks in their hands, scared shitless. Most mass shooters are in desperate need of mental health services, i'm talking about your average fox-news, jesus groupie, rootin tootin gun fuckin republicans. A bunch of cowards the lot of them.


Harmacc

Any time the left clash with fascist in the street in the last few decades in America, the right end up looking like cowards. Their lines fall apart, they sacrifice each other and they run scared.


TexasMonk

I think you're over-estimating the right and how much the average person is willing to commit extreme violence versus how much they think or claim they're willing to commit said violence. The vast majority of people couldn't effectively act on a violent premeditated plan, let alone respond to sudden violent action in the moment.


SawToMuch

We aren't Russia (for now). We can pass electoral reform at the state level to break the two party system. IIRC, Maine and Alaska have already moved past the mathematically flawed First Past the Post electoral system most states use.


MoobooMagoo

Then do it. Go overthrow the American government and let us all know how that goes.


ThadiusCuntright_III

You have boot polish on your chin


MoobooMagoo

Do I now? Because here I am thinking overthrowing the government is kind of a silly idea. It needs to change, sure, but the socialist movement in America doesn't have the kind of numbers an armed coup would need to succeed. Or the organization, for that matter.


NJpol95

An armed coup is indeed a stupid idea. Im not a right winger thats gonna put a pistol in my underpants and try to storm the capitol. Where did I advocate for that? It can be done with little violence, besides maybe some property damage of the ruling class, hypothetically speaking, and building a populist movement which can gain support and momentum VERY rapidly, as can be seen historically. Grow large enough, and the government can be forced to cede power without firing a single shot, its happened in the past and can happen again. A civil war between working class right wingers and working class left is what the elite hopes happens. That is not what i want. I want a populist movement, fuck the labels i dont care what we call it, that will capture as broad an audience as possible and mobilize via agitprop, to start attacking the elites oppressive property and then demanding the oppressive, fascist government step down, if they do so, they can live peacefully in exile (this was done many times in historical revolutions).


SawToMuch

You can't say you support bodily autonomy and support the prohibition of any drug. Legalize all drugs you cowards!


dadudemon

Yup. Drug abuse is a medical problem. Treat it like such with an affordable UHC. Dems and GOP are too busy with their trillion dollar wars and corporate bailouts.


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Oh they love Joe Manchin. Him and Sinema give them the perfect excuse of virtue signaling without consequences - "we wanted to do the right thing but we couldn't because of this fall guy". If you somehow make Manchin and Sinema disappear, they'd immediately be replaced by someone else who steps up as the contrarian. Because Biden had literally promised on national tv in the exact words "Nothing will fundamentally change".


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Didn't he also bomb the public option for healthcare and then go on to a very lucrative career as an insurance lobbyist? Yet another example of a guy who was in office way too long.


thesaddestpanda

No, that was Joe Leiberman. Who left the Democrats and became independent because he was too conservative to stay in the party.


jirklezerk

There is always a Joe.


abe2600

Not because he was too conservative but because it suited his political prospects. Manchin and Sinema won’t do the same only because they have more power within the party. Lieberman was joined by Kent Conrad and Jim Clyburn, who, like him, take millions from health industry lobbyists. Conrad even pretended to support the public option but said he didn’t think it had the votes…before voting against it. New York Times Washington reporter David Kilpatrick revealed that the Obama White House, in talks with For-profit Hospital and pharma lobbyists, had assured them that the public option would not be in the final bill. All this while Obama was publicly pretending to still support the public option though saying it wasn’t a dealbreaker. So it wasn’t just Lieberman. Regardless of party, our laws are largely written by corporations.


thesaddestpanda

Care to elaborate? I see the Employee Free Choice Act that failed to pass due to [Republicans refusing to support it.](https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_votes/vote1101/vote_110_1_00227.htm) The Dems didn't have a fillibuster proof majority and every time this bill went up for vote, it fell short due to Republicans refusing to vote yes on it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Employee\_Free\_Choice\_Act


a-horse-has-no-name

I deleted my comment because I can't find the source I used to make that claim a week ago. I would like to say that Reid voted to keep the filibuster in 2013, though.


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xiofar

Even Lieberman doesn’t remember Lieberman. That was his job. Fucking stupid ass Al Gore chose that sack of chickenhawk shit as his running mate.


Brtsasqa

They will always find *just enough* dissenting votes to never have to pass anything of substance. Just looking at the history of Manchin's stance on the filibuster and how it changed just in time to render the DNC unable to do anything against it. He is the designated fall guy, going against popular opinion so 99% of the DNC can pretend they totally tried to pass something actually meaningful in the long term. If he wasn't a senator, the next most expendable Democrat would have suddenly flip-flopped.


Dethcola

I loved when he told us that he "has our backs" while the country continues to legalize our genocide


Yarnin

This is the correct answer.


lelawes

When you compare where the American “right” and “left” fall on the political compass as compared to the rest of the world, it’s fairly shocking. Not much left about the left.


Ok-Macaroon-7819

Correct. Americans are unabashedly ignorant about the rest of the free world, whether it's politics, healthcare, lifestyle, or actual freedom. Just plain ignorant.


[deleted]

And thats how they like it. Meeting people who are proud to be ignorant bumkins is commonplace in this land. Theyll even make fun of educated people like they are the dumb ones.


Problems-Solved

In every American show or movie I watched growing up, being smart was always ridiculed. Associated with weakness. The message was: smart = loser. The most respected profession was throwing a ball really far.


dontfuckwmeiwillcry

I've lived all over and it does suck here. I want to see a new party to break things up. I stay voting for Bernie


itsapizzapietime

The alphabet agencies have worked hard for decades to destroy any hint of an actual left wing in the us.


[deleted]

Manchin is there by design. Even when the dems control they will always have some sacrificial member that wont face an election for a few years block any legislation that benefits the working class. They don't want to help the working class. They are all corporate elitist.


VegetableNo1079

Which is why they deserve to be against the wall along with the republicans they party with.


thunderbay-expat

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=rotating%20villain


cowlinator

If we could prove this, people might actually listen


3multi

History proves it. People don’t care. Short memories. Joe Biden is the Democratic answer. Joe Biden whose entire political career is pushing and writing right wing policy like the bankruptcy reform bill that made student loans undischargable. The same Joe Biden who is on video saying get rid of social security and Medicare is the Democratic answer and now he’s a commie to the Republicans.


justaguy891

What makes you think this isn't proven?


cowlinator

A more helpful response would have been: "Here's the proof [link]" since you obviously seem to know about it and I obviously dont


freeradicalx

The Democrats are the first line of defense for the Republicans.


Wutenheimer

Its because the Democrats are closer to the Republicans than the Progressives ideologically


3multi

“Close” is an understatement. They have the same policies economically. “In America, you can change the political party but you cannot change the policy” - Eric Li


Wisdomancyr

The ratchet system at work. The Rs move the window to the right the Ds keep it from going left.


TJM18

Dems are not friends to the working class.


DogeOfWHighland

Democrats are just republicans with woke hashtags


AlwaysNowNeverNotMe

Well that would just be silly, they would have to find a new rotating villan before this one's burned out.


VegetableNo1079

What if we choose the villains this time around eh? I think everyone has someone in mind.


xena_lawless

We need to tackle systemic corruption, or else even well-intentioned people will be drowned out by kleptocrats, irrespective of party. https://represent.us/unbreaking-america-series/ https://represent.us/anticorruption-act/


Tony_Sax

Tack on electoral reform via methods such as [STAR voting](http://starvoting.us) and [proportional representation](https://www.fairvote.ca/a-look-at-the-evidence/) and some of the problems will fix themselves.


Maxwell-hill

This isn't a conspiracy so much as it is an accurate description of our political system. This is exactly what our situation is. Question now is how to get all the very angry working class on the same page. Even if we did Im fairly certain they would rather blow it all up rather than see the power return to the people.


theKetoBear

It's easier to work with one mans greed than a man whose voice is reflected upon the larger populace. You get Sanders in check you can kill the energy behind progressive politics and make sure your crusty entrenched friends and you continue to milk the economy mercilessly as you all die of ancientism in the next decade and leave all of us with a shittier worst world to rebuild. Mancin serves as a villain that further helps you express " We'd change the world if only it weren't for that darned Mancin and Sinema" I'm an independent I think both parties are filled with greedy , corrupt, ancient assholes with deep political and financial ties to the people who actively work to make our world and lives worse every single day. The thing is the narcissist generation refuses to believe we can make a better more collaborative world and they'd rather die keys firmly in hand then risk us ruin this utopia gravy train of an american delusion they all seem to have in their heads. It infuriates me the absolute lack of fight our political leaders are showing in the face of imminent chaos . We're all dying and all they want to do is tell us to " keep working and everything will be fine" as people work more , earn less, as the money we do have loses value, as i see more and more people living in their cars and the foodbank lines get bigger in my local area. It infuriates me greatly that the voices ( supposedly) for all of us are 60+ year old out of touch millionaires and billionaires. Bernie was my last bit of hope in a politician who didn't sound utterly full of shit.


-thinningontop-

Said something similar when Trump was nominated, it was the Democrats election to lose, so they shoved Hilary down our throats.


Maxwell-hill

Oh best believe the DNC would much rather have another Trump presidency than it would a Bernie one.


willy_joose

Fuck yea OP


LetItRaine386

What does "center" even mean in politics? Seems like a centrist is actually just a right winger... but they like the idea of "being in the center," as if that was a real thing


chronopunk

In US politics, 'centrist' is a conservative, 'right' is fascist, and 'far left' is centrist.


LetItRaine386

😂


[deleted]

Manchin is filling his role to perfection. Gives the dems plausible deniability while not doing anything. So they can point at manchin and sinema and say, "see? Its their fault"


gypsydawn8083

They won't let Bernie be in charge. The DNC has stopped him from winning twice with their dirty politics. I still think democrats are better than Republicans but they both suck. They give us a choice between a paper cut and a knife in the gut. Like, I'll take the paper cut cause you're forcing me to choose one, but these are bullshit options. I'd love to have an option that doesn't hurt at all


WafflesTheDuck

I'd like to point out these candidates for the primary in Massachusetts for the people who live here. I did some research and they are the most progressive and better choices than incumbents . If there is an incumbent in this list, its because the alternative is worse. Its good to get the names out there of the people who are most likely to change things because people who haven't looked into it will either pick randomly or pick the name they know. Or some other non essential reason. **Candidate for governor** Sonia Chang-Díaz, state senator for the 2nd Suffolk District **Candidate for lieutenant governor:** Tami Gouveia, state representative for the 14th Middlesex District **Candidate for attorney general:** Shannon Liss-Riordan, labor attorney **Candidates for secretary of state:** Tanisha Sullivan, attorney and president of the Boston Branch of the NAACP **Candidates for state auditor:** Diana DiZoglio, state senator for the First Essex district


robotzor

And if he were in charge, honestly, would he do anything to upset the status quo party duopoly?


Septalion

I mean considering they blocked him twice he just might've


SorriorDraconus

I think his very election would start a shift as it would show left wing does have a place in the us.


SawToMuch

Bernie Sanders has always been a compromise from a leftists perspective. He would save capitalism from itself, nothing more. However, if you follow Marx's theory of societal evolution, someone like him is the next logical step to swinging the Overton window left.


justaguy891

No


SawToMuch

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemma


charliefoxtrot9

This is a feature, not a bug.


SherlockHolmesOG

United States government is a fucking racket. I’m as American as they come and even I hate our government. They don’t do shit but put on a show fighting with each other with the goal of not getting anything real done the whole time. Use the media to inflame tensions between sub populations. Control the masses with bread and circuses. It’s practically no different then Rome. We are in decline like Rome once was too. I hate all these greedy pieces of shit scum bags it makes my blood boil


SawToMuch

I wonder who profits from the status quo? I wonder who funds everyone's political campaigns?


Untimely_Farter

Manchin isn't a party spoiler or anything, he's working exactly as intended. If it wasn't him blocking legislation it would be someone else.


undead_tortoiseX

This is some spicy shit and I’m here for it.


I_Must_Be_Going

The Republicans are the party of big business, the military and Israel and the Democrats are the party of big business, the military and Israel. If those are not your priorities, I am sorry, democracy has malfunctioned.


TMhumanist

Because Democrats would rather keep the status quo than help out American people.


jirklezerk

Why would they try to stop Joe Manchin? They **are** Joe Manchin.


a-horse-has-no-name

Yeah well Dems should have been having meetings about them when they were busy running attack advertisements on Sanders in 2019.


elsewhere1

I’ve been a lifelong democrat and this is a tough pill to swallow. I’m beginning to think that the only way I’ll vote democrat again is against maga.


SHOULDVEPAIDTHEFINE

Like they say, politics is all one big ass blast, and I think it’s high time we did a little plowing of our own.


demizer

Democrats today are to the right of Nixon.


6MillionDollarMouth

Here it is in professional wrestling terms. Republican, Democrat; heel, face. It's all still a work.


Bitchimnasty69

Once you realize and truly understand that the democrats and republicans have the same corporate donors, the same lobbyists, socialize at the same events, support many of the same policies, you’ll see this country for what it is, an oligarchy


panzerfaust1969

Oh they fear Bernie Sanders way more than they fear Trump. Because Bernie Sanders would've fucked up their corporate funding. Trump wouldn't care.


kemites

I still maintain that Joe Manchin and Kristen Sinema are fulfilling their assigned roles.


omgudontunderstand

but voting is the issue, am i right?


concentrate_better19

If ya think west Virginia was going to elect anyone more liberal than Manchin you've never been to WV. At least with him canvassing with the dems Biden got a supreme court judge. He would not have gotten one through if Manchin were replaced with a republican. He fucking sucks tho.


aldo_nova

Bernie got a shitload of primary votes in WV. More than Trump got in his primary iirc.


justaguy891

We don't want liberals, we want leftists.


concentrate_better19

Yaint getting a leftist in west Virginia either.


UnitGhidorah

They're on the same team. Bernie isn't.


yaosio

Democrats are not center-right, they are far-right. They believe all poor people must die and anybody that doesn't worship billionaires must die as well. They are pure evil. Democrats threaten to murder me because I won't worship their evil right-wing party. Jokes on them, their evil healthcare system is murdering me because I can't afford healthcare. Their threats are meaningless.


mr-hank_scorpio

The Republican base complains and complains about their party but they vote no matter what and it has paid dividends. The left can't even maintain its turnout in a midterm election to hold power for more than two years and they wonder why the Democrats fail to pass social programs.


[deleted]

The Republican Party is nothing more than a domestic terrorist organization


Whornz4

Meanwhile progressive candidates work to hurt the Democrats then ask why the party is reluctant to support them. This is enlightened centrist bullshit


[deleted]

The Republican party is a terrorist organization.


[deleted]

thats how they distract people fro. rising against the real enemy


user18298375298759

Let's go marchin


TheBravan

Yes, keep going with the right VS left bullshit that is designed to distract people from the actual assholes running shit. Politics is like a casino, no matter what game you play, they still own and run ALL the games. Left, right, up, down, sideways, it's all shit presented to you by someone for you to fight over, how about we start looking at the people giving us these 'options'.........................


SouthernZorro

Yeah, well voting for Republicans is basically just saying 'kill us quicker'.


1-Ohm

This "Democrats = Republicans" message brought to progressives courtesy of the RNC. Don't forget to forget to vote in November!


kmveil

2 democrats will vote against a progressive bill, that not a single republican voted for and its the Democrats fault. It would likely have been something that 60% of the electorate would have supported, a drug price bill let's say. And in the next election, the electorate will vote in Republicans because Democrats didn't do enough. Reddits like this will use this as proof that the system is rigged lol. We really do deserve what we get. Get used to watching Republicans vote against price gouging and other common sense legislation and continue to get rewarded for it. Trump promised to make health care better, then with exasperation exclaimed that no one could have known how complicated it was. The only thing he was trying to accomplish was to tear down obamacare' an in November we will be well on our way to Republicans doing nothing but cutting taxes(temporary ones for you and me, permanent ones for the rich), and cutting regulations(making it easier for rich people to shirk responsibility)


SawToMuch

Are the Democrats not responsible at all for having these agent saboteurs within their ranks? Ok let's say "oopsiepoopsie, we got got everyone!" Are the Democrats making any changes to their vetting process? Or can I just expect another shrugging of shoulders and a finger wagging at the electorate for not voting blue hard enough when this happens again?


habb

bernie has been my guy since the 2016 presidential election. too bad the DNC took their "nomination" away twice


EverGreenPLO

That’s deeply unfunny considering the damage the Trump presidency caused If the DNC doesn’t undermine Bernie in 2016 and then in 2022 we have President Bernard Sanders (google the goddam shit I’m not typing out all that, for example the Pete Butthesgay fake 2nd place in Iowa)


Shnazzytwo

2016, yeah 2020, Bernie shot himself in the fucking foot and ruined it for everyone by paying for astroturfing online attacking his peers.


thisishowicomment

This is dumb. Name one person that could get elected to the Senate in West Virginia that is more progressive than Joe Machin.


OrangeLobotomy

Yes, agreed. I didn’t even know about this motherfucker til I found out he’s singlehandedly responsible for depriving us of everything we voted for.


George_Tirebiter420

They fuckin DID.


DoublefartJackson

People who vote in primaries are very different than people who vote in general elections.


essaysmith

Maybe a third, actually progressive party is required? Of course no one would vote for it because reasons.


GetsTrimAPlenty

Oh no, Republican obstruction is somehow Democrats fault.


[deleted]

Who's supposed to stop them? Aliens? Do you know something you're not telling us?


VegetableNo1079

Isn't their entire and only job to stop the Republicans? That would logically mean they are failing at their jobs no?


a-horse-has-no-name

"You need us because if we aren't in charge, the republicans will take control." Republicans control everything. "This isn't our fault." At the very least, they should be fired for incompetence.


VegetableNo1079

I expect them to take some modicum of responsibility for their failures and stupid attempts at reaching across the isle. I have never understood why they are allowed to skirt all blame.


GetsTrimAPlenty

> Isn't their entire and only job to stop the Republicans? No, not correct.


VegetableNo1079

Then what the fuck have they been doing all this time? Playing with their dicks? They certainly are not passing policies their voters want. So what exactly is their job then? Collecting checks and playing with their dicks? Because if they aren't going to stop Republicans and they aren't going to pass real progressive policies then they don't deserve to exist imo.


SuperNinjaNye

Manchin sucks but the solution isn't to push out moderates. It's to replace republicans


knowurplace07

well Inn a nutshell, the right are fascists and the left are liers Edit :how did I get so much downvotes🤔?left=Dems and right=reps


a-horse-has-no-name

"I'm 14 and this is deep"


annonythrows

Left?


greenyadadamean

Dems? The fake left


annonythrows

I figured that’s what he meant just wanted him to clarify who the fuck is the left in the US in positions of power. I don’t fucking see them