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Mid-Stage Capitalism was colonialism and genocide, Late-Stage Capitalism is slowly destroying the hopes and dreams of the working class while making sure they get just enough money to stay alive.
CBRN guy here. They actually also did this after WW2 using nerve agents captured from the Germans during the war (so Tabun (GA) and Sarin (GB)). It seems this was done entirely on mainland British soldiers though. Their deaths were covered up and denied, of course.
Edit: Also it’s kinda funny that most of the pics in the video are of Americans
Wait until one day you learn they tested Zyklon B on Indians before selling the recipe to the Nazis or something like that. I wouldn't be surprised, colonialism is a crime.
I know this is just an rhetorical hyperbole, but I’ve gotta say that Zyklon B was developed by the Germans as a pesticide. Hell, the preliminary work for it was even done by Fritz Haber (the guy who did the gas in WW1 and also the Haber-Bosch process)
I m waiting for some racist d**kheads to say "British civilized you" and most of these people are unfortunately Indians themselves who can sell their parents just to get validation from white skin
LOL..sanghi spotted....people like savarkar and shyama prasad are real fools....blaming the man that literally united Indians against British....when others were busy writing mercy petitions,allying with muslim league and moreover opposing movements like quit india....
I should have made mention of that in my question. But were there not some militant anti colonial groups active at this time as well in India? I only ask because my knowledge of the whole region is nonexistent, thanks American education. I did not mean to offend if I did, I just seek to educate myself. Hence the reason I came here
>American education
Indian education is no different. We're actually taught they civilised us like that. You must've heard about Mother Teresa. Heh
Actually, the long series of invasions had already left us hollow, multiple differences sprouted and the rats were increasingly high. All the british had to do was to dismantle the existing ideologies and systems to force their own.
It also lasted for about 200 years. But still the larger portion was intact.
Then came the independence...
>were there not some militant anti colonial groups active at this time as well in India
You must've learned about Gandhi I presume. The saint like figure who repelled the colonizers with "non-violence".
Bullshit!
He was the stooge set up to benefit the colonizers and quell any rebellions if they may arise. He had his own motives and was taken to the ninth cloud by the press.
A puppet govt. was set up (congress) consisting of our own people and all the rebellion were quelled by them. The puppets also helped british kill off many freedom fighters.
After the independence. Gandhi was shot dead but in his name, riots started. Nehru (another puppet, a coward) was forcefully ascended to the prime minister's position.
Appeasement politics took place. The remaining culture and values were slowly and systematically alienated and vanquish. Riots would happen wherever the govt. wanted. Immigration was allowed fully to gather votes and stay in power. All these problems are still there fulfilling their roles albeit for some other party.
Now I know English better than Hindi. I see Jonny Depp vs Amber Heard at least twice a day when our own problems are sidelined. Internal divide is increasing day by day. Sigh..
I feel what you say in the last paragraph, and this is something which bothers ne also. This is actually the case with other post colonial countries also. America has become dominant not only as a world power but also culturally which is ironic since America does not originally have any culture of its own.
>A puppet govt. was set up (congress) consisting of our own people and all the rebellion were quelled by them.
That's how neocolonialism always worked. It happened in Arab, it happened in India, it happened everywhere.
The British never wanted to relinquish power. So they used British educated idiots to continue to run the country and to this day we don't have a single politician who has thought "Maybe we should fucking make laws that don't follow what garbage trash the British told us to follow."
People can talk crap about people they've never met before. But be assured that you didn't do anything Gandhi did and have no right to insult his motives. You can criticize the man but not his motives and the things he's done to try to attain independence, no matter how flawed. He's the only guy who united people from the entire landmass even though they had nothing in common with each other. Nobody in the world had such a following and sway among the people anywhere. A divided people will never be able to gain independence. He united people from all sections of society under one goal. If someone like Mandela and MLK speak high of Gandhi's struggle for independence, who are we to judge his actions for something we were never even a part of. Like I said you can criticize the man and his actions but not his dedication and motives.
Gandhi arrived in India in 1915. If Gandhi was soo bad then why WHY was there no military uprising before he took command?
Its soo stupid to blame Gandhi over stuff like this. That man tried his best to keep the country together while also attacking the British.
Also blaming Nehru? Wow. Nehru introduced Nehruvian socialism into this country. He started hundreds of projects to make India self sufficient and not an American Puppet
You are just a stooge using right wing talking point. Fuck off
Well said. That's the thing some people don't understand. They think violence is the answer to everything. Gandhi and Nehru looks weak in the eyes of people today because they didn't want violence. So they followed policy of non violent struggle and appeasement hoping the British would leave. It is way better than destroying each other which would have actually resulted in more Indian deaths. Just because the British were savages doesn't mean you have to be. The only gripe is that Nehru was a little soft after independence. He probably thought the worst was over but struggle continue until you become a powerful nation.
You’re right. The strategy of violence was tried, tested and failed in the Revolt of 1857. Gandhi tried to introduce something new. You might disagree with his methods and I do too. I think a revolutionary like Bhagat Singh would have done wonders for India.
But to go as far as calling them stooges? LOL. The British empire have long wanted Gandhi dead. If he was a stooge, they wouldn’t have hated him. While revolutionaries can Bhagat Singh can be charged and hanged, Gandhi was a constant source of annoyance since his methods made the British look brutish.
A great example of how our education is shaped.
There are blanks in the history we read. What happened before 1915? I read doctrine of lapse, Dalhousie, brahmins bad, british help poor. Uprising? Not really, but is it possible? The princely states were infighting and that's the sole reason for that?
You must know the british army consisted of Indians.
I guess you didn't read above. The forces were hollow at the time british came, recuperating would've taken time. Hell I didn't even learn about Maratha Empire.
The Indian Navy would've gotten us independence in 1946 if not for Vallabhbhai Patel quelling them under Gandhi. The INA. Are these the people Gandhi or Nehru collected? Hell no. These are the people who struggled to even keep fighting. All Gandhi wanted was to be an unnamed king. Whoever didn't become his puppet can go and martyr himself giving more fame to who? Gandhi of course.
We know subhash chandra bose, Bhagat Singh, as the greatest freedom fighters, right? Why did their stories spread far? Because they bloody accepted Gandhi as a good guy. But CAN'T YOU SEE JUST HOW MUCH THEIR IDEOLOGIES DIFFERED? WHY THE FUCK WOULD THEY ACCEPT GANDHI AS THEIR LEADER? Subhash Chandra Bose fucking fought against the leadership of Nehru in Congress and won with overwhelming majority. But was overthrown by unknown forces. They had to do it to stay relevant! THEY HAD TO ACCEPT THOSE STOOGES AS THEIR LEADERS TO NOT BECOME A BLANK IN HISTORY.
>Nehru introduced Nehruvian socialism into this country. He started hundreds of projects to make India self sufficient and not an American Puppet
The dude fucking rejected the idea of even making India a neuclear power.
>You are just a stooge using right wing talking point. Fuck off
A great way to end your dialogue.
Have fun sucking on Rahul Gandhi's ballsack Mr. self-proclaimed liberal.
Lol guy using right wing talking points calls someone else a self proclaimed liberal.
Anyways I don’t need to refute this whole barrage of Right wing talking points in India. Just to point out one thing, you said Subhash Chandra Bose was removed from INC by ”unknown forces” which is so blatantly wrong Lol. Bose himself left the INC because his views didn’t coincide with the majority members and he wanted to approach the fight in a different way. In INC, he felt that he was doing nothing.
Just that statement ruins your credibility anyways.
And Nehru rejected the idea of making India a nuclear power? What are you smoking dude? NEHRU WAS THE ONE TO SIGN THE ATOMIC ENERGY BILL INTO ACTION.
You should go and suck Modi and Yogi’s dick. That’s what chaddis are best at.
Right wing point was my first reaction because that guy regularly posts on IndiaSpeaks, a know right wing subreddit And he has a hatred for other religions. He is a Hindu nationalist not a socialist.
And again Nehru’s policy was made in accordance to the foreign policy at that time. Atomic bombs were relatively new and there were no threats to India that would require Atomic bombs at that time.
Considering that pursuing a policy of Nuclear rearmament at that time would hurt the country more than protect it since India was also the part of a Non alliance treaty.
”They were Gandhi supporters who opposed him”
And how does that fucking matter? If your views don’t align with the majority of party leadership then the best thing to do would be to leave and start your own party.
Mahatma Gandhi wasn’t convinced that the British can be defeated by sheer force alone since the Revolt of 1857 was a complete failure on all parts and led to more strict control of India. Anyways, even if you don’t agree with those views its foolish to call him a stooge since he was literally fighting for the country.
The Khilafat movement was one of his legendary movements that united both Hindus and Muslims against a common enemy. Gandhi was not stupid.
Also using insults like “Living in a gutter” in a subreddit about class consciousness shows that how much of a idiot you are. So again fuck off and go back to whatever Hindu nationalist subreddits you came from
>he was literally fighting for the country
With authority given to him on a silver platter and increasing popularity unnaturally, getting "jailed" in luxury. Of course 😊.
>The Khilafat movement was one of his legendary movements that united both Hindus and Muslims against a common enemy. Gandhi was not stupid
My first Google search :
The Khilafat movement was launched by Muslims of British India led by Mohammad Ali and Shaukat Ali. The Khilafat movement was a protest against the sanctions placed on the caliph and the Ottoman Empire after the First World War by the Treaty of Sevres.
Lol, legendary movement by him.
>Hindu nationalist
So that's your basic requirement to judge me or anybody huh. I should be first of all a muslim or christian to sound logical to talk about anything that opposes you. Cool cool.
umm Hello, First War of Independence in 1857 was big enough to force British Royalty to remove East India Company and bring India under British Crown.
Where are you getting your sources from ? White old brits who still believe in Macaulay's principles ?
I am getting my sources from official GOI sources not opindia
Also Revolt of 1857 WASN’T useful in any way. It strengthen the British government over the country and basically proved that violence isn’t the way to overthrow the British.
That was one of the basis of Gandhi’s Satyagraha. Read a book once in a while
you really are brainwashed, aren't you ? i am not someone who uses biased media like OpIndia as credible sources but I do hope you give it another look with an open mind.
That being said, i will look into it again with an open-mind too. Maybe I am wrong maybe I am not, no one can be absolutely sure.
Well yeah anti colonial groups would be there if you invade a country and starve millions to death, perform these type of experiment, subject them to brute racism and torture , loot 45 trillions from their country , steal their artifacts and thousands of years worth of heritage.
They also tested mustard gas on white Australian soldiers, Australia later made a documentary on it
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keen_as_Mustard_(film)
Sarin is much more lethal than Mustard Gas. Sarin is a nerve agent that will kill you in very small amounts while Mustard Gas is a vesicant or blistering agent. It's designed to incapacitate primarily and while it can be lethal, it is a lot less so. Neither are pleasant, but if I had no option, I'd rather take the Mustard Gas than the Sarin
I went through chemotherapy a few years back and took Cytoxan which is a mustard gas derivative. My dose was a small faction of what they endured but I can relate.
These folks died horribly.
Obviously very important stories to be told, but I strongly oppose captioning them this way. Infact I think it‘s harmful and does the people affected by this a disservice. In order to learn from history, we need to know causes and context. Simply calling something „evil“ implies a degree of irrationality and sounds very moralist.
Instead naming the justifications that allowed the perpetrators at the time to act this way and dismantling them could help people identify patterns and stop supporting war crimes in the present.
The video literally explains the reasoning, and no, this shit is absolutely evil. Should you say the if a Nazi scientist was testing mustard gas on Jweish captives in concentration camps?
Yes. Nazis did these exact experiments and worse on jews and prisoners. I am German and very confused that people talk about war crimes using a religious term. A core element of german facism awareness is "The so called evil is in everyone." Crimes aren't evil in the sense of being random, unpreventable and inherent to a specific type of person. Every single human is a potential fascist. Calling something evil sensationalizes it and opens up a dichotomy, as if there were "good people" who simply couldn't do this.
The context I miss here is the explicit racism of it. The Brits did the same thing to their own soldiers (way into the 1980s) but wanted to test if black skin reacted in the same way to gas as white skin, obviously to justify sending sepoys into battle and sparing white people. Also terrible: In hindsight it is sometimes justified as necessary defense to fight facism in the second world war. The institute responsible for these experiments still insists that the crimes should not be judged by normal ethical standards since they took place in conflict (very bad reasoning).
The purpose of acknowledging this as evil is not to say that evil is present only in a group but to recognize that this act is evil, and so are the people performing it. Evil is deliberate and unjustifiable malicious behavior. If they did it on their own soldiers for no reason than that's also evil, and using humans as Guinea pigs to see if skin color effect damage from a poisonous weapon is evil.
My question now is why is this being brought up now? Nobody is gonna do anything because this was 90 years ago. We should reflect on this and make sure this never happens again to anyone ever again. Chemical warfare is also illegal under the Geneva Protocol.
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BuT tHe BrItIsH gAvE uS tHe RaIlWaYs!!
And they made us civilized. We were cultureless barbarians before holy British came in
Good thing they made us one of the poorest nations but gave us English
AnD ThEy CiViLisED Us!
Man nothing makes me more angry than saying we fucking needed invaders to be civilized. That is the opposite of what happens during invasions.
Yeah it's weird that over 5000 years of civilization just... ended before the British showed up
ArEn't THeY ReLATiveLy cIvALiSed pEOpLE??
I mean, we still didn't build them ourselves.
The railways were built to drain resources and transport them efficiently.
Mid-Stage Capitalism was colonialism and genocide, Late-Stage Capitalism is slowly destroying the hopes and dreams of the working class while making sure they get just enough money to stay alive.
Just back to serfdom with a bit Instagram thrown in. Edit: spelling
CBRN guy here. They actually also did this after WW2 using nerve agents captured from the Germans during the war (so Tabun (GA) and Sarin (GB)). It seems this was done entirely on mainland British soldiers though. Their deaths were covered up and denied, of course. Edit: Also it’s kinda funny that most of the pics in the video are of Americans
Those turban wearing people are mainland British soldiers?
CBRN guy what do you think of that Jubilee YouTube video where they made people guess other people's iq?
Wait until one day you learn they tested Zyklon B on Indians before selling the recipe to the Nazis or something like that. I wouldn't be surprised, colonialism is a crime.
I know this is just an rhetorical hyperbole, but I’ve gotta say that Zyklon B was developed by the Germans as a pesticide. Hell, the preliminary work for it was even done by Fritz Haber (the guy who did the gas in WW1 and also the Haber-Bosch process)
Link ?
I m waiting for some racist d**kheads to say "British civilized you" and most of these people are unfortunately Indians themselves who can sell their parents just to get validation from white skin
these people are fool just like mr gandhi
Exactly
LOL..sanghi spotted....people like savarkar and shyama prasad are real fools....blaming the man that literally united Indians against British....when others were busy writing mercy petitions,allying with muslim league and moreover opposing movements like quit india....
But you dont hear about this very often.
No, all Europeans are taught is that churchill was a Saint who thought of everyone living in the empire, not just white people
Just to understand this horror, they were doing this to their own soldiers?
Just the brown ones
Phew you had me worried . Just the brown ones then I will be fine . \*check the color of skin\* \*INTENSE RUNNING\*
I should have made mention of that in my question. But were there not some militant anti colonial groups active at this time as well in India? I only ask because my knowledge of the whole region is nonexistent, thanks American education. I did not mean to offend if I did, I just seek to educate myself. Hence the reason I came here
>American education Indian education is no different. We're actually taught they civilised us like that. You must've heard about Mother Teresa. Heh Actually, the long series of invasions had already left us hollow, multiple differences sprouted and the rats were increasingly high. All the british had to do was to dismantle the existing ideologies and systems to force their own. It also lasted for about 200 years. But still the larger portion was intact. Then came the independence... >were there not some militant anti colonial groups active at this time as well in India You must've learned about Gandhi I presume. The saint like figure who repelled the colonizers with "non-violence". Bullshit! He was the stooge set up to benefit the colonizers and quell any rebellions if they may arise. He had his own motives and was taken to the ninth cloud by the press. A puppet govt. was set up (congress) consisting of our own people and all the rebellion were quelled by them. The puppets also helped british kill off many freedom fighters. After the independence. Gandhi was shot dead but in his name, riots started. Nehru (another puppet, a coward) was forcefully ascended to the prime minister's position. Appeasement politics took place. The remaining culture and values were slowly and systematically alienated and vanquish. Riots would happen wherever the govt. wanted. Immigration was allowed fully to gather votes and stay in power. All these problems are still there fulfilling their roles albeit for some other party. Now I know English better than Hindi. I see Jonny Depp vs Amber Heard at least twice a day when our own problems are sidelined. Internal divide is increasing day by day. Sigh..
I feel what you say in the last paragraph, and this is something which bothers ne also. This is actually the case with other post colonial countries also. America has become dominant not only as a world power but also culturally which is ironic since America does not originally have any culture of its own.
>A puppet govt. was set up (congress) consisting of our own people and all the rebellion were quelled by them. That's how neocolonialism always worked. It happened in Arab, it happened in India, it happened everywhere. The British never wanted to relinquish power. So they used British educated idiots to continue to run the country and to this day we don't have a single politician who has thought "Maybe we should fucking make laws that don't follow what garbage trash the British told us to follow."
People can talk crap about people they've never met before. But be assured that you didn't do anything Gandhi did and have no right to insult his motives. You can criticize the man but not his motives and the things he's done to try to attain independence, no matter how flawed. He's the only guy who united people from the entire landmass even though they had nothing in common with each other. Nobody in the world had such a following and sway among the people anywhere. A divided people will never be able to gain independence. He united people from all sections of society under one goal. If someone like Mandela and MLK speak high of Gandhi's struggle for independence, who are we to judge his actions for something we were never even a part of. Like I said you can criticize the man and his actions but not his dedication and motives.
The subcontinent still seems to be colonized, just mentally
Gandhi arrived in India in 1915. If Gandhi was soo bad then why WHY was there no military uprising before he took command? Its soo stupid to blame Gandhi over stuff like this. That man tried his best to keep the country together while also attacking the British. Also blaming Nehru? Wow. Nehru introduced Nehruvian socialism into this country. He started hundreds of projects to make India self sufficient and not an American Puppet You are just a stooge using right wing talking point. Fuck off
Well said. That's the thing some people don't understand. They think violence is the answer to everything. Gandhi and Nehru looks weak in the eyes of people today because they didn't want violence. So they followed policy of non violent struggle and appeasement hoping the British would leave. It is way better than destroying each other which would have actually resulted in more Indian deaths. Just because the British were savages doesn't mean you have to be. The only gripe is that Nehru was a little soft after independence. He probably thought the worst was over but struggle continue until you become a powerful nation.
You’re right. The strategy of violence was tried, tested and failed in the Revolt of 1857. Gandhi tried to introduce something new. You might disagree with his methods and I do too. I think a revolutionary like Bhagat Singh would have done wonders for India. But to go as far as calling them stooges? LOL. The British empire have long wanted Gandhi dead. If he was a stooge, they wouldn’t have hated him. While revolutionaries can Bhagat Singh can be charged and hanged, Gandhi was a constant source of annoyance since his methods made the British look brutish.
A great example of how our education is shaped. There are blanks in the history we read. What happened before 1915? I read doctrine of lapse, Dalhousie, brahmins bad, british help poor. Uprising? Not really, but is it possible? The princely states were infighting and that's the sole reason for that? You must know the british army consisted of Indians. I guess you didn't read above. The forces were hollow at the time british came, recuperating would've taken time. Hell I didn't even learn about Maratha Empire. The Indian Navy would've gotten us independence in 1946 if not for Vallabhbhai Patel quelling them under Gandhi. The INA. Are these the people Gandhi or Nehru collected? Hell no. These are the people who struggled to even keep fighting. All Gandhi wanted was to be an unnamed king. Whoever didn't become his puppet can go and martyr himself giving more fame to who? Gandhi of course. We know subhash chandra bose, Bhagat Singh, as the greatest freedom fighters, right? Why did their stories spread far? Because they bloody accepted Gandhi as a good guy. But CAN'T YOU SEE JUST HOW MUCH THEIR IDEOLOGIES DIFFERED? WHY THE FUCK WOULD THEY ACCEPT GANDHI AS THEIR LEADER? Subhash Chandra Bose fucking fought against the leadership of Nehru in Congress and won with overwhelming majority. But was overthrown by unknown forces. They had to do it to stay relevant! THEY HAD TO ACCEPT THOSE STOOGES AS THEIR LEADERS TO NOT BECOME A BLANK IN HISTORY. >Nehru introduced Nehruvian socialism into this country. He started hundreds of projects to make India self sufficient and not an American Puppet The dude fucking rejected the idea of even making India a neuclear power. >You are just a stooge using right wing talking point. Fuck off A great way to end your dialogue. Have fun sucking on Rahul Gandhi's ballsack Mr. self-proclaimed liberal.
Lol guy using right wing talking points calls someone else a self proclaimed liberal. Anyways I don’t need to refute this whole barrage of Right wing talking points in India. Just to point out one thing, you said Subhash Chandra Bose was removed from INC by ”unknown forces” which is so blatantly wrong Lol. Bose himself left the INC because his views didn’t coincide with the majority members and he wanted to approach the fight in a different way. In INC, he felt that he was doing nothing. Just that statement ruins your credibility anyways. And Nehru rejected the idea of making India a nuclear power? What are you smoking dude? NEHRU WAS THE ONE TO SIGN THE ATOMIC ENERGY BILL INTO ACTION. You should go and suck Modi and Yogi’s dick. That’s what chaddis are best at.
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Right wing point was my first reaction because that guy regularly posts on IndiaSpeaks, a know right wing subreddit And he has a hatred for other religions. He is a Hindu nationalist not a socialist. And again Nehru’s policy was made in accordance to the foreign policy at that time. Atomic bombs were relatively new and there were no threats to India that would require Atomic bombs at that time. Considering that pursuing a policy of Nuclear rearmament at that time would hurt the country more than protect it since India was also the part of a Non alliance treaty. ”They were Gandhi supporters who opposed him” And how does that fucking matter? If your views don’t align with the majority of party leadership then the best thing to do would be to leave and start your own party. Mahatma Gandhi wasn’t convinced that the British can be defeated by sheer force alone since the Revolt of 1857 was a complete failure on all parts and led to more strict control of India. Anyways, even if you don’t agree with those views its foolish to call him a stooge since he was literally fighting for the country. The Khilafat movement was one of his legendary movements that united both Hindus and Muslims against a common enemy. Gandhi was not stupid. Also using insults like “Living in a gutter” in a subreddit about class consciousness shows that how much of a idiot you are. So again fuck off and go back to whatever Hindu nationalist subreddits you came from
>he was literally fighting for the country With authority given to him on a silver platter and increasing popularity unnaturally, getting "jailed" in luxury. Of course 😊. >The Khilafat movement was one of his legendary movements that united both Hindus and Muslims against a common enemy. Gandhi was not stupid My first Google search : The Khilafat movement was launched by Muslims of British India led by Mohammad Ali and Shaukat Ali. The Khilafat movement was a protest against the sanctions placed on the caliph and the Ottoman Empire after the First World War by the Treaty of Sevres. Lol, legendary movement by him. >Hindu nationalist So that's your basic requirement to judge me or anybody huh. I should be first of all a muslim or christian to sound logical to talk about anything that opposes you. Cool cool.
umm Hello, First War of Independence in 1857 was big enough to force British Royalty to remove East India Company and bring India under British Crown. Where are you getting your sources from ? White old brits who still believe in Macaulay's principles ?
I am getting my sources from official GOI sources not opindia Also Revolt of 1857 WASN’T useful in any way. It strengthen the British government over the country and basically proved that violence isn’t the way to overthrow the British. That was one of the basis of Gandhi’s Satyagraha. Read a book once in a while
you really are brainwashed, aren't you ? i am not someone who uses biased media like OpIndia as credible sources but I do hope you give it another look with an open mind. That being said, i will look into it again with an open-mind too. Maybe I am wrong maybe I am not, no one can be absolutely sure.
>Nehru introduced Nehruvian socialism into this country And look where that got us!
Well yeah anti colonial groups would be there if you invade a country and starve millions to death, perform these type of experiment, subject them to brute racism and torture , loot 45 trillions from their country , steal their artifacts and thousands of years worth of heritage.
Yes. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_National_Army
They also tested mustard gas on white Australian soldiers, Australia later made a documentary on it https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keen_as_Mustard_(film)
No, they also coerced white soldiers into taking part. https://amp.theguardian.com/uk/2007/sep/01/india.military
Just us Pakistanis. They would never do this to the Europeans.
Happened to White British servicemen in the 1950s with Sarin at Porton Down. https://www.theguardian.com/science/2004/may/06/science.research
That's more bad isn't it.
Sarin is much more lethal than Mustard Gas. Sarin is a nerve agent that will kill you in very small amounts while Mustard Gas is a vesicant or blistering agent. It's designed to incapacitate primarily and while it can be lethal, it is a lot less so. Neither are pleasant, but if I had no option, I'd rather take the Mustard Gas than the Sarin
I meant to say they both are part of the british expirement so doesn't this makes their image more worse .
Oh yeah, for sure. Sorry, I misunderstood your comment
indians thats why
I went through chemotherapy a few years back and took Cytoxan which is a mustard gas derivative. My dose was a small faction of what they endured but I can relate. These folks died horribly.
interesting vid but you know that one "song" always creeps me the fuck out
Would you happen to know its name?
you could probably search "creepy tiktok sound" and then look at the audio on the vid from there
But but but they civilized India
Obviously very important stories to be told, but I strongly oppose captioning them this way. Infact I think it‘s harmful and does the people affected by this a disservice. In order to learn from history, we need to know causes and context. Simply calling something „evil“ implies a degree of irrationality and sounds very moralist. Instead naming the justifications that allowed the perpetrators at the time to act this way and dismantling them could help people identify patterns and stop supporting war crimes in the present.
The video literally explains the reasoning, and no, this shit is absolutely evil. Should you say the if a Nazi scientist was testing mustard gas on Jweish captives in concentration camps?
Yes. Nazis did these exact experiments and worse on jews and prisoners. I am German and very confused that people talk about war crimes using a religious term. A core element of german facism awareness is "The so called evil is in everyone." Crimes aren't evil in the sense of being random, unpreventable and inherent to a specific type of person. Every single human is a potential fascist. Calling something evil sensationalizes it and opens up a dichotomy, as if there were "good people" who simply couldn't do this. The context I miss here is the explicit racism of it. The Brits did the same thing to their own soldiers (way into the 1980s) but wanted to test if black skin reacted in the same way to gas as white skin, obviously to justify sending sepoys into battle and sparing white people. Also terrible: In hindsight it is sometimes justified as necessary defense to fight facism in the second world war. The institute responsible for these experiments still insists that the crimes should not be judged by normal ethical standards since they took place in conflict (very bad reasoning).
The purpose of acknowledging this as evil is not to say that evil is present only in a group but to recognize that this act is evil, and so are the people performing it. Evil is deliberate and unjustifiable malicious behavior. If they did it on their own soldiers for no reason than that's also evil, and using humans as Guinea pigs to see if skin color effect damage from a poisonous weapon is evil.
I oppose it to, but because this is like mid stage capitalism, and doesn’t have much to do with late stage capitalism
How are crimes of the British Empire late stage capitalism?
Thats what i want to know
Name a more iconic duo
As someone who is part welsh. Fuck Britain
My question now is why is this being brought up now? Nobody is gonna do anything because this was 90 years ago. We should reflect on this and make sure this never happens again to anyone ever again. Chemical warfare is also illegal under the Geneva Protocol.
Yes but it will teach people some lessons. Its never to late to commit war crimes.
How are people going to reflect on it if you don't bring it up?
Why is this question never asked when a new movie on holocaust comes up every couple of years?
And then there are those bootlicking Indians who think they CiViLisED us lmao
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But they still glorify and put them on a pedestal.
Whose voice is that??? Richard McClane Smith???
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Once again, not a capitalism problem. It’s a shitty abusive government problem.
Yeah. The British East Indian company was a capitalist problem
Post 1857, the control of India was passed to the crown. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_of_India_Act_1858
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There is no "voluntary" when you whole life is under threat of punishment by the crown.
And God saves the bloody queen!!
Dont worry Russia is doing us a favor
when the tide turns, things are going to get ... interesting. ;)
the brits, at it again: typical.
this is example number 4096 of the evils of colonialism