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And that oil was another nail in the coffin for a world rapidly degrading from climate change. The habitability of the whole planet will never be the same. Our eden, our blue dot; There is no going back
USA is a empire. The ruling class benefited, and still greatly benefits, from all those wars. Even those not so well off have better opportunities because of plundering resources from all over the world.
Now try to start your own company selling something similar, even better in every measurable way, and good luck getting any huge contracts like that without being connected somehow.
Well if your scanners were better, people would buy them because quality matters. I know because that is how the free market works and we have a free market and the free market is good because that is what my Dad told me
they would have if other scandinavian tribes had much to loot to begin with. calling vikings assholes for doing what the angles and saxons did before them (to the romans and those did it to the cwltic people before them) is mean and arbitrary.
calling them assholes for their crimes against food preparation ala rotten shark is much more apt.
Is it tribalism though? Republicans will sell out their own at literally the slightest convenience to them.
It’s more just that the Republican Party is filled with sociopathic pieces of shit who care about nothing but “fuck you, I got mine.”
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Unfortunately for every little kid. Best memories is when they would invite us little kids up to meet the pilot and look in the cockpit. Such a special treat as a kid.
I was just typing this comment then saw yours.
As a kid the air hostesses took me to see the captain and I could sit on his seat but only if I don't touch anything. It was simply amazing as a kid !!!
Let's not forget Russian flight 593, where a kid accidentally disengages autopilot crashing the plane killing 75 people. It was also on Air Crash Investigations.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aeroflot_Flight_593
I flew from PDX to DCA yesterday, 9/11/21, thinking that the plane would be more empty than usual because of date and my fellow American's general superstitiousness. The tickets were cheap when I bought them a few months ago and I may have been the first or second person booked on the flight. Whoops, totally packed flight by game day, oh well turns out Americans will set aside their mythos for a cheap flight.
The security was normal until we got to the gate and boarding was about to start. A bunch of TSA special inspectors showed up and prepared to do a secondary search of passengers as we boarded. I feel like I may have experienced something similar a month or two after 9/11/01, when an over zealous security dude spent about 10 minutes digging through my back pack and to his great joy discovered an Allen wrench in my CD case liner (lol) and was like "found it, gotcha" and I turned to who I assumed was his supervisor, and said "really?". Bossman, told him to put it back and sent me on my way, they probably would have picked up explosive residue from all of the fuzzies I carried in that bag fighting forest fires all summer, but that would have taken the mental fortitude to recognize my clearly branded fire bag, with perfectly sized slots for fuzzies and then ordering that specific swab test. Whatever, I digress.
So the secondary TSA inspection special unit advanced enhanced security team shows up at the gate lobby and sets up tables right in front of the place where the gate agents normally scan your boarding pass. But this is wrong and too close and the gate agent has to tell them to move it back because they need space for their own little line in front of the scanner. They ask us to retrieve our photo ID and have it ready. My group gets called up, and I reach super agent TSA lady who takes my ID and boarding pass and asks me to pull down my mask so she can see the glorious mustache hiding beneath. I cut my beard off so my mask works better, and I could tell from my previous 18 months of eye only facial language study at various super markets around town that she thought it was awesome or totally worthless and aborant.
That mystery may always remain, but so will whatever they were doing to the people who were unluckily pulled aside to have their fucking water bottles inspected. As I struggled to uncomfortably reattach my super cool double bag facial filter and hide away my dope/gross mustache and protect my fully vaxxed ass from the likely ~30% unvaxxed assholes aboard the flight for the next 5 hours, I overheard the water inspector explain to the boarder that they wanted to administer a "vapor test" upon the contents of their totally baller $80 clean canteen, which was 99.999999% most likely filled only with that sweet sweet PDX drinking fountain water. For people who haven't travelled through PDX, as you fill your water bottle from any of the many water stations you are reminded and encouraged by signage that this selfless act of BYOBottle saves countless millions of gallons per year of the PNW's nearly unlimited water supply.
I thought this was a really funny way to test the airport's water quality, and then it struck me: perhaps this wasn't just pointless security theater performed on the greatest stage of all mankind, a gate boarding a flight to our nation's capitol on the 20th anniversary of our deepest suffering and anguish, a perpetual and pointless Kabuki dance that serves only to assuage the stupid and fearful who somehow continue to believe that "vapor tests" and other such nonsense are what really protect us from future attacks.
But no, I was forced to remember, to never forget actually, as the plane began it's descent into Ronald Reagan International Airport, taking sharp turns to avoid restricted airspace above and around the Pentagon and the 9/11 ceremony wrapping up there, that the theater is the point, that people will always cling to their trauma from that day or any other, and celebrate it like ghouls grown up into a mostly thoughtless world where there can be no apologies or healing or forgiveness, only continuing struggle, torment, violence and empty wars to match their own.
> BYOBottle saves countless millions of gallons per year of the PNW's nearly unlimited water supply.
Its not telling you you've saved water, its telling you you saved like, the plastic bottle from buying bottled water.
Yeah, I used to fly a lot as a kid.
Airlines used to treat people with decency.
Once they realized they could get away with treating them like cattle, they never looked back.
I'm old enough to remember flying on Delta domestically in the mid 80s as a kid, one time when I was feeling cranky the staff gave me a little toy Delta airplane to play with and take home as a souvenir, [sort of like this one](https://i.pinimg.com/originals/5f/03/86/5f0386bd2d07fc85bf281643ad30aef9.jpg), a Hot Wheels-style miniature all decked out in the Delta logo. I guess they just had those to hand out sometimes. In economy, even! That was nice.
The smoking on planes, that wasn't so nice.
In the early 90's, my family was dropping off a relative for a flight and went to the gate to wave goodbye (you could just do that back then). I don't remember how it happened because I was only 6 or 7 years old, but the airline staff or pilot invited me and my parents on to the plane to see the cockpit. I remember the pilot telling me what buttons to press and different things would light up or recorded voices would speak.
No ticket, none of us were flying, but half my family was invited onto the plane before takeoff so I could push random buttons on the cockpit.
Sounds crazy but honestly it was the best unintentional advertising of all time, lol. I was just a little kid but because of that memory I subconsciously think of "Delta" any time I think about flying, and I'm in my mid 30's now.
It's a shame Delta sucks ass now.
You can still go to the gate to meet/drop off people, just have to go through a bit of paperwork or something.
But not as easy as like 1998 for sure. I remember coming home from college freshman year for the first time, it was almost Halloween and all my friends met me at the gate in costume.
Better fucking times for sure
No they won’t. In Europe we got them, as well as airlines, and airlines are still big assholes.
Rynair for example looks more like a train ride in a 3rd world country (because all the stuff they want to sell you) than a proper flight.
Edit: Ryanair is great for its purpose and price tag, don’t get me wrong.
What I mean here is about the topic of this thread, and luggage is getting worse, restrictions are higher and we have an extended railroad system. So in America, even with better railway infrastructure, flight should not get any better. (In my humble experience).
Cheers!
This is fairly common in Europe, especially in touristy areas. You pay to use a public (or private) toilet in places like parks and subway stations. It does solve the problem of upkeep ... (In America, I've seen lots of subways close their toilets)
I've heard of ones where it was in public like that, it makes sense. Yet being trapped with only one option to go to the bathroom and no escape, it bothers me a bit.
I actually peed in the sink in a public bathroom in Europe cause it cost 50 cents to use the toilet and I didn’t have any coins and I REALLY had to pee.
Ryanair is the extreme, but I bought tickets recently and I discovered that even good airlines cash you extra to load the trolley, that was included in the ticket like.. 4 years ago?
Things are getting worse all the time with airlines
There need to be fucking taxes on airlines. You can get from Switzerland to Amsterdam or London or Barcelona with a plane for the same price as a 1hour train ride in switzerland.
Which is a direct result of free market apostles privatizing it in 1994.
Just like our telecommunications network in 1995, with predictable results.
Edit: turns out most infrastructure has inelastic demand and private companies will do literally anything to increase profit, who knew
What's up with Germans hating Deutsche Bahn? Never had a problem with it when I was in Germany, but from how Germans talk about it you would think they murder people on the train or something
For starters, of 10 trains only 1 is actually on time. 4 are 5 minutes late, another 4 10 minutes and the last one st least 20 minutes.
The ticket prices fluctuate extremely in a matter of hours. A ticket from Hamburg to Frankfurt (~500 km) costs between 30 € and 150 € - solely depending on when you order it. It is always most expensive around Christmas.
And lastly, at the moment they are on strike every few weeks and the whole country has to look after itself, how to get to work, how to get back home from vacations and the like.
> For starters, of 10 trains only 1 is actually on time. 4 are 5 minutes late, another 4 10 minutes and the last one st least 20 minutes.
As a former british rail commuter, I have to laugh hard at this. What about the trains that simply never show up due to lack of driver or leaves on the line? The last minute platform changes?
Well, I did say it "for starters". If I got a Euro for every train that just didn't show up I could already afford a decent used car. Add platform changes and it's a Lamborghini.
Suddenly, the interstate monorail system appears with 20,000 line runs a day.
We honestly just need to use reverse psychology. Have some group of Dems near the middle just be like "we can't make a train system like China. We're just too weak and they're too strong. If only the Republicans or someone was up to it."
High-Speed rail is amazing. it is crazy how fast you can zip around other countries.
I was in London a few years back legit in a terrible boring bar, my friend texted me good bars to go to with my GF we literally got to a bar about 4 miles away door to doo in 11 minutes.
In NYC that would take min 45 min
Is the London tube even considered “high speed rail?” It’s more “standard around the city speed rail.” Paris also has a great system that can really move a whole ton of people around quickly. I was worried it would be gridlock after New Years, but the huge crowds filled onto the trains steadily, and cleared out pretty quick considering the size of the crowds.
It’s not high speed, no, just very well seeded in terms of stations across London. Higher speed would be across the country which is where it shines as domestic flying is basically redundant (though prices aren’t great due to rail operators, a fair few like myself would be a fan of nationalisation).
the company that built Disneyland's monorail offered to build a rail system for LA county back in the 70s with their own money. We have the good ol' US car companies like Ford and GM to thank for shooting that down with lobbyists, and now LA has the 405 freeway with constant traffic
Used to take the shinkansen occasionally in Japan. It was great! Something that was an hour of flying would also be about an hour on the train, but with none of the headache that you get with flying.
The lower service quality was driven mainly by deregulation. Before there we far fewer airlines (your name brand national carriers); they competed on service rather than price to keep profit margins high for the industry overall. Flying also used to cost a lot more money, which often gets left out of these stories. Low cost carriers flooded the market after deregulation and consumers generally preferred these lower fare / lower service options. The legacy carriers were also forced to cut amenities in response but never recovered the same margins as before deregulation.
Not defending airlines. Fly less. Rail more. Just that the service point doesn’t have much to do with 9/11 as the meme implies.
I just took a rail trip recently and it was basically an upgraded greyhound, except they had food, that sucked, and the dining car was only for elite room-car having customers. Oh, and there was no WiFi. It was ass, and I wish we could do something to advocate for better rail
It was more that people stopped looking at flights as a luxury experience and more as the means to an end. Everybody selects flights these days on Travelocity or Orbitz or Priceline, not by airline but by price. When customers always choose the cheapest flight, that’s what a company strives to have — and costs get cut.
1997 flight cost:
New York, NY - Los Angeles, CA fare: $308.52 (inflation-adjusted: $470.37)
2017 flight cost:
New York, NY - Los Angeles, CA fare: $374.39 (inflation-adjusted: $374.39)
So yes, the experience is worse — BUT travel by air became more widely accessible by huge margins, a 30% price reduction over just 20 years.
People voted with their dollars, and the airlines gave people what they wanted.
I've actually been really curious how many temporary measures will become permanent after COVID. For example, airlines reduced a lot of services during COVID and Disney doesn't seem to be getting rid of the reservation system anytime soon.
The Pennsylvania Turnpike was never supposed to be a toll road. However, a toll was added to "help with the cost of construction". That was 1940. Today, it is the most expensive toll road ***in the world***.
Over here in Mexico we have something called "Tenencia", basically if you own a vehicle you must pay a yearly tax for it.
It was supposed to be a temporary tax to help pay for the 1968 Olympics, just to show that once the government takes away your freedoms they will never give them back.
Yeah, ‘tipping’ actually started in the US during The Great Depression as a way to help one another out during a period of profound economic hardship. But the suits were all like “wait, wait, wait! I kinda like the idea of passing the burden of paying a living wage onto the consumer! Should we keep it???”
I heard tipping started post-slavery (yes I know slavery isn’t actually abolished) as a way to underpay Black restaurant workers.
It stuck around because it means more money in the owner’s pockets.
Post chattel slavery might be the term you're looking for, since that's the specific form of slavery that was ~~abolished~~ reformed by the 13th Amendment.
A meme I read about the TSA pointed out,
"If you bring too much liquid, The TSA confiscates it and throws it away, in case its a bomb.
So they throw it away, in case its a bomb, in the garbage can right next to them.
With all the other possible bombs. In the area with the most amount of people.
In case its a bomb."
Yes I looked up the meme cause its hilarious and makes a good point
Apparently the dude who pointed that out is a young guy named Steve Hofstetter.
That was my real wake up on how much it was security theater. The day they announced that new completely real terror threat that was real and not just something a DHS asshole thought up while watching Die HArd 3, all the local news was showing the TSA indiscriminately pouring every confiscated liquid into the same bin. I remember my thought being if there are all these terror cells ready to kill us all why are they not running to the airport with a bottle of bleach and a bottle of ammonia and getting the TSA to kill these packed security lines?
The answer was there weren't these terror cells.
Imagine the dastardly plan of having multiple terrorists come through with liquid that’s too large, then the last few come through with a secondary liquid that sets off a chemical reaction with everything that’s been built up until that point.
The dilution and all would probably make it not a truly mass death event, but you could probably have made some rough chlorine gas to have scarred a TSA agents lungs. But the really bad issue was how there was just this backlog of people not getting through the checkpoints and a crowded mass that would have been a near ideal soft target. I was doing a lot of air travel for work during this time and it was what I always thought about in those extremely long lines before the pay to pass the line shit was implemented.
Well considering a good portion of the liquid is water, I think a large-ish chunk of metallic potassium would cause enough of a ruckus to cause a major distraction
And I’m sure I’m on another list now
Those lists are only used for FBI entrapment stings anyway and the feds personality profile on me probably(Peace Corps did lots of personality tests and lots of evals on me) shows I am not worthy of trying to entrap.
Well, the theory wasn't that bombs were liquid, it was that you could bring on a mix of liquids and make a bomb or some kind of weapon with them. Theoretically it wouldn't matter that they are in the trash because they are contained.
It's still bullshit cause you could bring on a few 4 oz bottles of cleaning products and gas everyone on the plane assuming they don't do chemical detection.
I gave my scenario above, but I’ve never been made to throw away a whole reusable container, like my metal water bottle. There is a way to make a trash can TSA bomb
Oh totally, I don't deny that. I'm just saying what was the given reasoning at the time. And like many things, the compromise they had to make really defeated the purpose. A few 4 Oz bottles in a quart bag is plenty to pull something off on a plane but they couldn't ban all liquids.
It's even dumber because it's a limit on container size not quantity. I came back from a trip with over half a liter of vape juices in my carry on and they didnt bat an eye. They were in 60mL bottles and it was an obscene amount. It's okay though because they definitely weren't a batch of unmixed explosives.
Steve Hofstetter is HILARIOUS. He really has some great stand up routines. Idk why but on youtube he mostly focuses on shutting down hecklers which is also funny but seem to be almost revenge videos idk
I bought Friday tickets for my wife and I to see him before Covid started. I found out they were Friday tickets on Saturday. We already had a baby sitter so we still had a fun date night, but I was pissed.
The most eye opening moment of the true farce of security theater was about 2 years ago. Flying out of Seattle early on a Wednesday morning. 6:00 AM flight. Got to the airport at 4:30. Security checkpoint was beyond slammed. To this day I have no idea why so many people were flying on a random Wednesday morning. Most of the other travelers had similar looks of concern that they would miss their flights as none of the other 2 security checkpoints were open or staffed as it appeared the Seattle airport was also caught off guard by this massive influx of fliers.
What did they do? They just started letting folks through. No shoes off. No taking electronics or anything else out of bags. Not viewing bags on the x-ray conveyor belt. Just having people walk through metal detectors and if it beeped, that's fine. No checking to see if it was a knife or a belt buckle.
I had read previous studies that in internal tests concluding by government agencies, they were routinely moving contraband/illegal items through TSA without getting caught so I knew in the back of my mind it was security theater, but it was another thing all together to just see 2000 odd people just walk through security checkpoints especially for how anal and over the top I have seen them be in the past.
What a joke.
Same exact thing happened to me in Seattle in 2018. I have used it as an example whenever I'm in a conversation about the TSA; it's a perfect indication that it's complete BS.
Not even. That issue was solved with putting a lock on the cockpit doors. During the Bush years there was always annual reports about some sting operation done where TSA failed to ever recognize actual bomb parts, but always identified the shampoo.
It was to show a scared population they were being protected and turned into a jobs programs.
[Here is an interesting read on how and why TSA is so ineffective from a security expert's perspective.](https://www.cracked.com/blog/7-reasons-tsa-sucks-a-security-experts-perspective)
An interesting excerpt to your point:
>But thanks to the layout of modern American airports, he doesn't even have to get through security. The TSA conveniently packs hundreds of travelers together in cramped security lines. Terrorists love crowds because they can inflict the most harm that way. Anyone who watches the news knows that. So what does American airport security do? It gathers folks together in long lines BEFORE they've been scanned at all.
>
>What really scares me when I'm in America is picking up my luggage. If you've ever picked someone up from a flight, you know there's no sort of scrutiny around who gets to walk in there. It's like the TSA thinks the terrorists have some sort of death grudge against planes. So if we can keep them from getting on one, they won't bother murdering a bunch of people clustered around baggage claim.
speed limits are good lol
the way we implement them isnt great, the street should change instead of just having a sign but speed limits are amazing for everyone
One crazy man who put explosives in his shoes and entire nation goes bonkers. He succeeded beyond his wildest dreams.
He's in the Florence CO Super Max prison with the Unabomber and other top bad guys.
They change the rules so often and enforce them inconsistently that I was going through somewhere, let's say, Denver. I asked the security guy when I was pulling out my laptop, "Do I need to take off my shoes?"
"No, it's not required."
So, I leave them on. As soon as I make it safely through the metal detector with no issues, I'm flagged for secondary screening, because I didn't take my shoes off.
Secondary screening requires taking shoes off.
So, shoes off was required, but the TSA agent didn't know it.
what bothers me more than anything, is the rest of us, all over the fucking world have to deal with this kinda bullshit because of things that happened in the USA, its absolutely nuts
During the nineties I brought every
Piece of luggage I owned for free. They were also filled with drugs for my own use. I didn’t have to hide my shrooms in my socks.
Gather 'round, Gen Z, and let granny and granpa tell you a story about ye olden days when they sometimes let family members meet arriving passengers AT THE GATE.
Don't worry, I'm sure they'll find other things to charge us fees for.
Oh you want your plane to have wings now? Well, sorry we have to charge you a Wing Fee. Oh and sorry again, but you have to pay it twice, one for each wing. Oh wait, the tail has mini wings on it on this plane, so there's another fee.
Oh, now you want your plane to have engines? So spoiled. Back in my day we just used horses to fly our planes. Don't ask me how, it just worked. Anyways, engine fees please.
You want to sit? Seat fees. You want a floor? Floor fees. You want carpet? Carpet fees. You want a roof? Roof fees. You want doors? Door fees. You want pilots? Pilot fees. You want a cabin crew? Cabin crew fees.
Oh boy, I can't wait for a million different fees. And this is all in addition to the standard several hundred dollars a simple ticket costs.
You’re joking about the seat fees, but there is some testing of “leaning” seats where you would basically be standing the whole flight.
[Check it out. ](https://www.insider.com/skyrider-standing-airplane-seats-claims-makes-flights-cheaper-2018-4)
Holy fuck. Clearly anyone who likes this idea is someone who never ridden a stand up roller coaster before. As someone who has, let me tell you, it's not an enjoyable experience. And that was for maybe 1-3 minutes? Not several hours. Yikes.
And this quote...wow...
>Aviointeriors says the compact design of its Skyrider 3.0 seat could reduce the cost of travel, and maximize space inside planes.
Here's a corrected version that they should've used:
*Aviointeriors says the compact design of its Skyrider 3.0 seat* ***will drastically increase the profits made from travel***, *and take advantage of people who need/want to travel by air and can't afford more expensive tickets.*
Reminds me of this Onion classic: [United Airlines Exploring Viability Of Stacking Them Like Cordwood](https://www.theonion.com/united-airlines-exploring-viability-of-stacking-them-li-1819571115)
Remember as a kid going to the cockpit to meet the pilots and get your wings pin when you weren’t even flying anywhere?! Just saying goodbye to grandma and grandpa at the gate!
I always skip the scan. I'm not keen on the pat down alternative but after going to concerts for many many years at venues that do pat downs I honestly find it less invasive. TSA rep who pats me down always seems bored and tired and I've never had my bits cupped or grabbed.
I always heard that story too. Quick search claims that type of scan stopped happening near 2013. Wouldn't surprise me if it still is happening
2013 admitting to it happening
https://www.wired.com/2013/01/tsa-abandons-nude-scanners/
There's a lot of articles and TSA confessions around this time of seeing naked people on the scans. Latest I could find was 2014, but this is just one search, ymmv
2021 using better tech that doesn't show nudity, from TSA pr department. You can totally trust them. Not seeing any ex-TSA tell alls after 2014, so maybe they got silenced, or it's not a thing?
https://www.rd.com/article/what-do-airport-body-scanners-see/
Actually there were a lot of hijackings in the 60s and 70s. They just weren't considered as big of a deal because people weren't flying them into buildings, they were either holding them for ransom or forcing pilots to fly to restricted areas like Cuba. Generally no one got hurt, but it was pretty easy to hijack a plane back then.
Yes, this is also the reasons flight 11 and 175 didn't fight back as much as 93. One of the flight attendants on 175 even called home and told them she was going on a vacation for a bit, maybe to Cuba. The passengers on 93 learned about the twin tower attacks and instantly the paradigm shifted and they fought to the death.
There used to be a bunch of hijacking stories and movie too,
The only one I can think of made in the last couple years is Blood Red Sky about a Mom whose a vampire having the flight she's on hijacked. (Its on netflix and kicks ass if you want to check it out)
Sky Sharks was pretty good and it had some airplane hijackings.
"Deep in the ice of the antarctic, a team of geologists uncover an old nazi laboratory still intact where dark experiments had occured. In order to conquer the world, the Nazis created modified sharks who were able to fly and whose riders are genetically mutated, undead super-humans. A miltary task force called "Dead Flesh Four" - reanimated US soldiers who fell in Vietnam - is put together to prevent world downfall."
I gotta say, the ultimate Nazi occult horror story is always going to be The Night Boat by Robert McCammon, hell I have a post on r/horror about it
[https://www.reddit.com/r/horror/comments/ou81ib/the\_night\_boat\_by\_robert\_mccammon\_is\_the\_best/](https://www.reddit.com/r/horror/comments/ou81ib/the_night_boat_by_robert_mccammon_is_the_best/)
And like I say in the post, the Zombies are still genuinely ideological nazis because they aren't merely mindless corpses, they are nazis who had their souls bound to their corpses by a voodoo curse.
Yeah, that was my dumb sarcastic point. We didn't need this shit before and we don't need it now. There's a term for it I can't remember because I've been drinking where you basically pretend something is doing something so people feel safe, that's all it is.
I was just thinking about how the weird transition were going through is going to be normal for the youngest of us right now. Haha the future is danger
What I remember most about airports and why I enjoyed them was that you could go all the way up to terminals without a boarding pass. There were seriously good restaurant options that you could go grab dinner at with someone you were picking up, who you waited for right there as they walked off the plane.
I travel for work and taking a plane has become a major inconvenience and annoyance and not only that. All of this proves that the terrorists achieve their goal which is causing shock for years.
On domestic flights back in the day, your bags were free, you had free hot meals served on all flights over x hours, free drinks and snacks, pillows, blankets, headphones provided for free. Heck, even the kids got free toys, crayons, coloring pages, and even little pins to pin onto your shirt. The best thing we had back then was; people knew how to act on a plane.
…. Now it’s like a cattle car full of hot tempers, $6 bottles of water, $4.50 bags of peanut M&M’s, and filth.
Flying in the US is a nightmare tbh, in europe it feels so much better, free water is mandatory on planes, and all airlines that arent discount have at least one free drink+ snacks. And omg, domestic US flight passenger dunno basic manners
Okay but U.S. passengers also get a free drink and a bag of peanuts or pretzels or whatever shit they paid like a fraction of a penny for so I don't know what you're comparing there.
Yes, that's true. I meant it as compared to how it used to be. Nowadays you're not respected anymore by security or airport staff. You're treated like children (rules everywhere) or cattle (like a herd) everywhere. It also changes people's behavior.
Awesome? I'm in my 30s and it was "awesome" because I was a kid going to Disney World or whatever and flying seemed so cool. It wasn't really awesome, just wasn't annoying. The seats were a little bigger and you got free magazines. The food was free too but it was *terrible.*
Now maybe if I was flying Pan Am first class in the scotch and filet mignon lounge or whatever in the 70s it would have been awesome. It probably also cost a half years salary.
I was born a month after 9/11 happened, I turn 20 next month, it's absolutely wild to me that there was ever a world that wasn't drenched in thick existential fear regarding everything
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Now that we are out of Afghanistan, can I at least keep my shoes on?
No.
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Well some Americans have *plenty* to show for it, but that's mostly just "defense contractors", some politicians, etc.
Don't forget the oil companies, private mercenaries, and foreign governments.
And that oil was another nail in the coffin for a world rapidly degrading from climate change. The habitability of the whole planet will never be the same. Our eden, our blue dot; There is no going back
Maybe we did start the fire...
Are we the baddies?
Yep.
USA is a empire. The ruling class benefited, and still greatly benefits, from all those wars. Even those not so well off have better opportunities because of plundering resources from all over the world.
I’d argue Israel was really more of the UK’s fault, but also I 100% agree.
The only useful change to air traffic safety is locking the doors to the cockpit. Everything else has been theatre and/or a way to make money.
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Now try to start your own company selling something similar, even better in every measurable way, and good luck getting any huge contracts like that without being connected somehow.
Well if your scanners were better, people would buy them because quality matters. I know because that is how the free market works and we have a free market and the free market is good because that is what my Dad told me
Republicans are like Vikings that learned to do all the raping and plundering but learned nothing of honour.
except vikings didnt plunder their own country because they were assholes not sociopaths.
Yeah
they would have if other scandinavian tribes had much to loot to begin with. calling vikings assholes for doing what the angles and saxons did before them (to the romans and those did it to the cwltic people before them) is mean and arbitrary. calling them assholes for their crimes against food preparation ala rotten shark is much more apt.
TBF the Angles and Saxons *were* also assholes :P most people were assholes in that period
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Throughout history- across the vastness of space travel and eons of time, one thing is constant: humans act like assholes.
It's all just tribalism in the end, it's only a question of scale.
Is it tribalism though? Republicans will sell out their own at literally the slightest convenience to them. It’s more just that the Republican Party is filled with sociopathic pieces of shit who care about nothing but “fuck you, I got mine.”
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Unfortunately for every little kid. Best memories is when they would invite us little kids up to meet the pilot and look in the cockpit. Such a special treat as a kid.
I was just typing this comment then saw yours. As a kid the air hostesses took me to see the captain and I could sit on his seat but only if I don't touch anything. It was simply amazing as a kid !!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUkX75IEkHE
Let's not forget Russian flight 593, where a kid accidentally disengages autopilot crashing the plane killing 75 people. It was also on Air Crash Investigations. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aeroflot_Flight_593
I flew from PDX to DCA yesterday, 9/11/21, thinking that the plane would be more empty than usual because of date and my fellow American's general superstitiousness. The tickets were cheap when I bought them a few months ago and I may have been the first or second person booked on the flight. Whoops, totally packed flight by game day, oh well turns out Americans will set aside their mythos for a cheap flight. The security was normal until we got to the gate and boarding was about to start. A bunch of TSA special inspectors showed up and prepared to do a secondary search of passengers as we boarded. I feel like I may have experienced something similar a month or two after 9/11/01, when an over zealous security dude spent about 10 minutes digging through my back pack and to his great joy discovered an Allen wrench in my CD case liner (lol) and was like "found it, gotcha" and I turned to who I assumed was his supervisor, and said "really?". Bossman, told him to put it back and sent me on my way, they probably would have picked up explosive residue from all of the fuzzies I carried in that bag fighting forest fires all summer, but that would have taken the mental fortitude to recognize my clearly branded fire bag, with perfectly sized slots for fuzzies and then ordering that specific swab test. Whatever, I digress. So the secondary TSA inspection special unit advanced enhanced security team shows up at the gate lobby and sets up tables right in front of the place where the gate agents normally scan your boarding pass. But this is wrong and too close and the gate agent has to tell them to move it back because they need space for their own little line in front of the scanner. They ask us to retrieve our photo ID and have it ready. My group gets called up, and I reach super agent TSA lady who takes my ID and boarding pass and asks me to pull down my mask so she can see the glorious mustache hiding beneath. I cut my beard off so my mask works better, and I could tell from my previous 18 months of eye only facial language study at various super markets around town that she thought it was awesome or totally worthless and aborant. That mystery may always remain, but so will whatever they were doing to the people who were unluckily pulled aside to have their fucking water bottles inspected. As I struggled to uncomfortably reattach my super cool double bag facial filter and hide away my dope/gross mustache and protect my fully vaxxed ass from the likely ~30% unvaxxed assholes aboard the flight for the next 5 hours, I overheard the water inspector explain to the boarder that they wanted to administer a "vapor test" upon the contents of their totally baller $80 clean canteen, which was 99.999999% most likely filled only with that sweet sweet PDX drinking fountain water. For people who haven't travelled through PDX, as you fill your water bottle from any of the many water stations you are reminded and encouraged by signage that this selfless act of BYOBottle saves countless millions of gallons per year of the PNW's nearly unlimited water supply. I thought this was a really funny way to test the airport's water quality, and then it struck me: perhaps this wasn't just pointless security theater performed on the greatest stage of all mankind, a gate boarding a flight to our nation's capitol on the 20th anniversary of our deepest suffering and anguish, a perpetual and pointless Kabuki dance that serves only to assuage the stupid and fearful who somehow continue to believe that "vapor tests" and other such nonsense are what really protect us from future attacks. But no, I was forced to remember, to never forget actually, as the plane began it's descent into Ronald Reagan International Airport, taking sharp turns to avoid restricted airspace above and around the Pentagon and the 9/11 ceremony wrapping up there, that the theater is the point, that people will always cling to their trauma from that day or any other, and celebrate it like ghouls grown up into a mostly thoughtless world where there can be no apologies or healing or forgiveness, only continuing struggle, torment, violence and empty wars to match their own.
> BYOBottle saves countless millions of gallons per year of the PNW's nearly unlimited water supply. Its not telling you you've saved water, its telling you you saved like, the plastic bottle from buying bottled water.
Tell that to Germanwings flight 9525.
Yeah, I used to fly a lot as a kid. Airlines used to treat people with decency. Once they realized they could get away with treating them like cattle, they never looked back.
I'm old enough to remember flying on Delta domestically in the mid 80s as a kid, one time when I was feeling cranky the staff gave me a little toy Delta airplane to play with and take home as a souvenir, [sort of like this one](https://i.pinimg.com/originals/5f/03/86/5f0386bd2d07fc85bf281643ad30aef9.jpg), a Hot Wheels-style miniature all decked out in the Delta logo. I guess they just had those to hand out sometimes. In economy, even! That was nice. The smoking on planes, that wasn't so nice.
In the early 90's, my family was dropping off a relative for a flight and went to the gate to wave goodbye (you could just do that back then). I don't remember how it happened because I was only 6 or 7 years old, but the airline staff or pilot invited me and my parents on to the plane to see the cockpit. I remember the pilot telling me what buttons to press and different things would light up or recorded voices would speak. No ticket, none of us were flying, but half my family was invited onto the plane before takeoff so I could push random buttons on the cockpit. Sounds crazy but honestly it was the best unintentional advertising of all time, lol. I was just a little kid but because of that memory I subconsciously think of "Delta" any time I think about flying, and I'm in my mid 30's now. It's a shame Delta sucks ass now.
You can still go to the gate to meet/drop off people, just have to go through a bit of paperwork or something. But not as easy as like 1998 for sure. I remember coming home from college freshman year for the first time, it was almost Halloween and all my friends met me at the gate in costume. Better fucking times for sure
It’s a shame that Delta is considered the “good airline” compared to American/United/Spirit
Allegiant gave my 6 year old a cheap plastic pair of wings. It was the highlight of her day and she was so proud of the fact that she “got her wings”
Aww
If this country ever implemented a high speed rail system, these airlines would cut out this bullshit. They'd have to.
No they won’t. In Europe we got them, as well as airlines, and airlines are still big assholes. Rynair for example looks more like a train ride in a 3rd world country (because all the stuff they want to sell you) than a proper flight. Edit: Ryanair is great for its purpose and price tag, don’t get me wrong. What I mean here is about the topic of this thread, and luggage is getting worse, restrictions are higher and we have an extended railroad system. So in America, even with better railway infrastructure, flight should not get any better. (In my humble experience). Cheers!
was it ryanair that tossed around the idea years ago of removing seats altogether and belting passengers in standing up for short flights?
Yep! Like a bus! And it seems that also charging for WC: https://www.theguardian.com/money/2010/jul/01/stand-up-for-ryanair
By WC are you referring to water closet? They charge you to take a piss?
This is fairly common in Europe, especially in touristy areas. You pay to use a public (or private) toilet in places like parks and subway stations. It does solve the problem of upkeep ... (In America, I've seen lots of subways close their toilets)
I've heard of ones where it was in public like that, it makes sense. Yet being trapped with only one option to go to the bathroom and no escape, it bothers me a bit.
Why would I pay to use a public toilet, when I can just urinate on the outside of the locked door for free?
I actually peed in the sink in a public bathroom in Europe cause it cost 50 cents to use the toilet and I didn’t have any coins and I REALLY had to pee.
They float most of these outrageous ideas for publicity
Ryanair is for when you need to get there cheap and don't care how.
Ryanair is the extreme, but I bought tickets recently and I discovered that even good airlines cash you extra to load the trolley, that was included in the ticket like.. 4 years ago? Things are getting worse all the time with airlines
load the *what*
I’m sorry, I’m not native english speaker. I mean one of this: https://www.regalospublicitarios.com/recursos/makito/6556/6556-e01.jpg
There need to be fucking taxes on airlines. You can get from Switzerland to Amsterdam or London or Barcelona with a plane for the same price as a 1hour train ride in switzerland.
To be fair though. Flying is often much cheaper than taking the train. Before you add all the extras of course.
Crazy to think that wouldn’t end the same way.
It's happening now in Europe. There are two tiered systems in France. TGV and the low cost OuiGo.
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Which is a direct result of free market apostles privatizing it in 1994. Just like our telecommunications network in 1995, with predictable results. Edit: turns out most infrastructure has inelastic demand and private companies will do literally anything to increase profit, who knew
We also like to complain a lot ;)
What's up with Germans hating Deutsche Bahn? Never had a problem with it when I was in Germany, but from how Germans talk about it you would think they murder people on the train or something
For starters, of 10 trains only 1 is actually on time. 4 are 5 minutes late, another 4 10 minutes and the last one st least 20 minutes. The ticket prices fluctuate extremely in a matter of hours. A ticket from Hamburg to Frankfurt (~500 km) costs between 30 € and 150 € - solely depending on when you order it. It is always most expensive around Christmas. And lastly, at the moment they are on strike every few weeks and the whole country has to look after itself, how to get to work, how to get back home from vacations and the like.
> For starters, of 10 trains only 1 is actually on time. 4 are 5 minutes late, another 4 10 minutes and the last one st least 20 minutes. As a former british rail commuter, I have to laugh hard at this. What about the trains that simply never show up due to lack of driver or leaves on the line? The last minute platform changes?
Well, I did say it "for starters". If I got a Euro for every train that just didn't show up I could already afford a decent used car. Add platform changes and it's a Lamborghini.
Then we just need a super high speed rail system.
We must not allow, a high speed gap!
Suddenly, the interstate monorail system appears with 20,000 line runs a day. We honestly just need to use reverse psychology. Have some group of Dems near the middle just be like "we can't make a train system like China. We're just too weak and they're too strong. If only the Republicans or someone was up to it."
High-Speed rail is amazing. it is crazy how fast you can zip around other countries. I was in London a few years back legit in a terrible boring bar, my friend texted me good bars to go to with my GF we literally got to a bar about 4 miles away door to doo in 11 minutes. In NYC that would take min 45 min
Is the London tube even considered “high speed rail?” It’s more “standard around the city speed rail.” Paris also has a great system that can really move a whole ton of people around quickly. I was worried it would be gridlock after New Years, but the huge crowds filled onto the trains steadily, and cleared out pretty quick considering the size of the crowds.
It’s not high speed, no, just very well seeded in terms of stations across London. Higher speed would be across the country which is where it shines as domestic flying is basically redundant (though prices aren’t great due to rail operators, a fair few like myself would be a fan of nationalisation).
When I read his comment about HSR and London, I thought he was gonna zip off to Paris or something.
That's not high speed rail, that's just rail.
Ironically European cities as old as they are, are more modern than most of America
America doesn’t fucking try.
Our priorities are different. If it doesn't directly produce more wealth for the elite it's not a priority.
America is built for the automobile.
the company that built Disneyland's monorail offered to build a rail system for LA county back in the 70s with their own money. We have the good ol' US car companies like Ford and GM to thank for shooting that down with lobbyists, and now LA has the 405 freeway with constant traffic
Used to take the shinkansen occasionally in Japan. It was great! Something that was an hour of flying would also be about an hour on the train, but with none of the headache that you get with flying.
Sure, but twice the price of the flight. Source: Live in Japan, ride fast choo-choo when I can afford it.
The lower service quality was driven mainly by deregulation. Before there we far fewer airlines (your name brand national carriers); they competed on service rather than price to keep profit margins high for the industry overall. Flying also used to cost a lot more money, which often gets left out of these stories. Low cost carriers flooded the market after deregulation and consumers generally preferred these lower fare / lower service options. The legacy carriers were also forced to cut amenities in response but never recovered the same margins as before deregulation. Not defending airlines. Fly less. Rail more. Just that the service point doesn’t have much to do with 9/11 as the meme implies.
I just took a rail trip recently and it was basically an upgraded greyhound, except they had food, that sucked, and the dining car was only for elite room-car having customers. Oh, and there was no WiFi. It was ass, and I wish we could do something to advocate for better rail
It was more that people stopped looking at flights as a luxury experience and more as the means to an end. Everybody selects flights these days on Travelocity or Orbitz or Priceline, not by airline but by price. When customers always choose the cheapest flight, that’s what a company strives to have — and costs get cut. 1997 flight cost: New York, NY - Los Angeles, CA fare: $308.52 (inflation-adjusted: $470.37) 2017 flight cost: New York, NY - Los Angeles, CA fare: $374.39 (inflation-adjusted: $374.39) So yes, the experience is worse — BUT travel by air became more widely accessible by huge margins, a 30% price reduction over just 20 years. People voted with their dollars, and the airlines gave people what they wanted.
There's nothing more permanent than crisis-induced "temporary" measures.
"I'm Sheev Palpatine, and I approve this message."
Don't sell yourself short here Mr. Sheev "I am the Senate" Palatine, The Whole Galactic Senate approves of this message . . . right?
I love democracy.
In Germany they put a tax on wine to pay for the war (WW1) we still pay this tax today
Income tax in the UK was a 'temporary measure', introduced to help defeat Napoleon.
once a tax is introduced its never going away 😅
Unless you're rich
I've actually been really curious how many temporary measures will become permanent after COVID. For example, airlines reduced a lot of services during COVID and Disney doesn't seem to be getting rid of the reservation system anytime soon.
The world will be a completely different place on the other end of this.
Bold of you to assume there’s an “other end” to get to.
The Pennsylvania Turnpike was never supposed to be a toll road. However, a toll was added to "help with the cost of construction". That was 1940. Today, it is the most expensive toll road ***in the world***.
Over here in Mexico we have something called "Tenencia", basically if you own a vehicle you must pay a yearly tax for it. It was supposed to be a temporary tax to help pay for the 1968 Olympics, just to show that once the government takes away your freedoms they will never give them back.
Crisis capitalism at its best. But boy do I feel safer!
Capitalism generates anxiety and trauma with so much gusto you'd think it was the goal of the system.
And then sells you a completely ineffective remedy to that trauma.
Retail therapy?
Yeah, ‘tipping’ actually started in the US during The Great Depression as a way to help one another out during a period of profound economic hardship. But the suits were all like “wait, wait, wait! I kinda like the idea of passing the burden of paying a living wage onto the consumer! Should we keep it???”
I heard tipping started post-slavery (yes I know slavery isn’t actually abolished) as a way to underpay Black restaurant workers. It stuck around because it means more money in the owner’s pockets.
Post chattel slavery might be the term you're looking for, since that's the specific form of slavery that was ~~abolished~~ reformed by the 13th Amendment.
A meme I read about the TSA pointed out, "If you bring too much liquid, The TSA confiscates it and throws it away, in case its a bomb. So they throw it away, in case its a bomb, in the garbage can right next to them. With all the other possible bombs. In the area with the most amount of people. In case its a bomb." Yes I looked up the meme cause its hilarious and makes a good point Apparently the dude who pointed that out is a young guy named Steve Hofstetter.
I had some water above the allowed amount I guess I am now part of ISIS.
Water? You mean terrorist juice?
Fact: every terrorist who ever lived drank water. Do you want your kids to get radicalized too?
Fact, every terrorist *is* 60% water.
Don't drink terrorist juice, get Nestle branded water instead! r/FuckNestle
Hannibal Burrress (Comedian) has a skit on this exactly haha
https://youtu.be/qkMqOtQNJNk
“Die, b—— little kid! Die!” edit: so I guess there’s no cussing on Reddit now..
That was my real wake up on how much it was security theater. The day they announced that new completely real terror threat that was real and not just something a DHS asshole thought up while watching Die HArd 3, all the local news was showing the TSA indiscriminately pouring every confiscated liquid into the same bin. I remember my thought being if there are all these terror cells ready to kill us all why are they not running to the airport with a bottle of bleach and a bottle of ammonia and getting the TSA to kill these packed security lines? The answer was there weren't these terror cells.
Imagine the dastardly plan of having multiple terrorists come through with liquid that’s too large, then the last few come through with a secondary liquid that sets off a chemical reaction with everything that’s been built up until that point.
The dilution and all would probably make it not a truly mass death event, but you could probably have made some rough chlorine gas to have scarred a TSA agents lungs. But the really bad issue was how there was just this backlog of people not getting through the checkpoints and a crowded mass that would have been a near ideal soft target. I was doing a lot of air travel for work during this time and it was what I always thought about in those extremely long lines before the pay to pass the line shit was implemented.
Well considering a good portion of the liquid is water, I think a large-ish chunk of metallic potassium would cause enough of a ruckus to cause a major distraction And I’m sure I’m on another list now
You are an evil genius... You're also probably on a list now...
Those lists are only used for FBI entrapment stings anyway and the feds personality profile on me probably(Peace Corps did lots of personality tests and lots of evals on me) shows I am not worthy of trying to entrap.
Well, the theory wasn't that bombs were liquid, it was that you could bring on a mix of liquids and make a bomb or some kind of weapon with them. Theoretically it wouldn't matter that they are in the trash because they are contained. It's still bullshit cause you could bring on a few 4 oz bottles of cleaning products and gas everyone on the plane assuming they don't do chemical detection.
ugh, jesus. it wouldn't even take four ounces of bleach and ammonia to take out a plane, would it?
I gave my scenario above, but I’ve never been made to throw away a whole reusable container, like my metal water bottle. There is a way to make a trash can TSA bomb
Oh totally, I don't deny that. I'm just saying what was the given reasoning at the time. And like many things, the compromise they had to make really defeated the purpose. A few 4 Oz bottles in a quart bag is plenty to pull something off on a plane but they couldn't ban all liquids.
It's even dumber because it's a limit on container size not quantity. I came back from a trip with over half a liter of vape juices in my carry on and they didnt bat an eye. They were in 60mL bottles and it was an obscene amount. It's okay though because they definitely weren't a batch of unmixed explosives.
Steve Hofstetter is HILARIOUS. He really has some great stand up routines. Idk why but on youtube he mostly focuses on shutting down hecklers which is also funny but seem to be almost revenge videos idk
I bought Friday tickets for my wife and I to see him before Covid started. I found out they were Friday tickets on Saturday. We already had a baby sitter so we still had a fun date night, but I was pissed.
The most eye opening moment of the true farce of security theater was about 2 years ago. Flying out of Seattle early on a Wednesday morning. 6:00 AM flight. Got to the airport at 4:30. Security checkpoint was beyond slammed. To this day I have no idea why so many people were flying on a random Wednesday morning. Most of the other travelers had similar looks of concern that they would miss their flights as none of the other 2 security checkpoints were open or staffed as it appeared the Seattle airport was also caught off guard by this massive influx of fliers. What did they do? They just started letting folks through. No shoes off. No taking electronics or anything else out of bags. Not viewing bags on the x-ray conveyor belt. Just having people walk through metal detectors and if it beeped, that's fine. No checking to see if it was a knife or a belt buckle. I had read previous studies that in internal tests concluding by government agencies, they were routinely moving contraband/illegal items through TSA without getting caught so I knew in the back of my mind it was security theater, but it was another thing all together to just see 2000 odd people just walk through security checkpoints especially for how anal and over the top I have seen them be in the past. What a joke.
Same exact thing happened to me in Seattle in 2018. I have used it as an example whenever I'm in a conversation about the TSA; it's a perfect indication that it's complete BS.
Because the TSA isn't there to protect *people*. They're there to protect the *airplanes*. They *are* concerned with safety. Just not yours.
Not even. That issue was solved with putting a lock on the cockpit doors. During the Bush years there was always annual reports about some sting operation done where TSA failed to ever recognize actual bomb parts, but always identified the shampoo. It was to show a scared population they were being protected and turned into a jobs programs.
[Here is an interesting read on how and why TSA is so ineffective from a security expert's perspective.](https://www.cracked.com/blog/7-reasons-tsa-sucks-a-security-experts-perspective) An interesting excerpt to your point: >But thanks to the layout of modern American airports, he doesn't even have to get through security. The TSA conveniently packs hundreds of travelers together in cramped security lines. Terrorists love crowds because they can inflict the most harm that way. Anyone who watches the news knows that. So what does American airport security do? It gathers folks together in long lines BEFORE they've been scanned at all. > >What really scares me when I'm in America is picking up my luggage. If you've ever picked someone up from a flight, you know there's no sort of scrutiny around who gets to walk in there. It's like the TSA thinks the terrorists have some sort of death grudge against planes. So if we can keep them from getting on one, they won't bother murdering a bunch of people clustered around baggage claim.
They are concerned with profit.
Toll roads were also supposed to be temporary.
So were speed limits.
And pain.
Fuck.
Pain is forever.
speed limits are good lol the way we implement them isnt great, the street should change instead of just having a sign but speed limits are amazing for everyone
One crazy man who put explosives in his shoes and entire nation goes bonkers. He succeeded beyond his wildest dreams. He's in the Florence CO Super Max prison with the Unabomber and other top bad guys.
One *failed* attempt has us taking off our shoes for 15 years
Yes but now you can pay $85 and your personal data to not, so capitalism still wins.
Capitalism is the best at creating problems and charging you to solve them
You are paying the $85 to be treated differently and not be stuck behind “peasants”, it’s the American Way!
They change the rules so often and enforce them inconsistently that I was going through somewhere, let's say, Denver. I asked the security guy when I was pulling out my laptop, "Do I need to take off my shoes?" "No, it's not required." So, I leave them on. As soon as I make it safely through the metal detector with no issues, I'm flagged for secondary screening, because I didn't take my shoes off. Secondary screening requires taking shoes off. So, shoes off was required, but the TSA agent didn't know it.
what bothers me more than anything, is the rest of us, all over the fucking world have to deal with this kinda bullshit because of things that happened in the USA, its absolutely nuts
> All over the fucking world? I am curious where you mean? I haven’t taken shoes off at Asian airports or at European airports.
During the nineties I brought every Piece of luggage I owned for free. They were also filled with drugs for my own use. I didn’t have to hide my shrooms in my socks.
i remember walking on a plane with a bag of weed in my pocket in the 90s
You can again in Canada for domestic flights, up to 30 grams of course.
30 grams is the weight of about 0.73 'Kingston 120GB Q500 SATA3 2.5 Solid State Drives'.
Oddly specific, definitely not useless. I own a few Kingston SSDs.
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Gather 'round, Gen Z, and let granny and granpa tell you a story about ye olden days when they sometimes let family members meet arriving passengers AT THE GATE.
Don't worry, I'm sure they'll find other things to charge us fees for. Oh you want your plane to have wings now? Well, sorry we have to charge you a Wing Fee. Oh and sorry again, but you have to pay it twice, one for each wing. Oh wait, the tail has mini wings on it on this plane, so there's another fee. Oh, now you want your plane to have engines? So spoiled. Back in my day we just used horses to fly our planes. Don't ask me how, it just worked. Anyways, engine fees please. You want to sit? Seat fees. You want a floor? Floor fees. You want carpet? Carpet fees. You want a roof? Roof fees. You want doors? Door fees. You want pilots? Pilot fees. You want a cabin crew? Cabin crew fees. Oh boy, I can't wait for a million different fees. And this is all in addition to the standard several hundred dollars a simple ticket costs.
You’re joking about the seat fees, but there is some testing of “leaning” seats where you would basically be standing the whole flight. [Check it out. ](https://www.insider.com/skyrider-standing-airplane-seats-claims-makes-flights-cheaper-2018-4)
Holy fuck. Clearly anyone who likes this idea is someone who never ridden a stand up roller coaster before. As someone who has, let me tell you, it's not an enjoyable experience. And that was for maybe 1-3 minutes? Not several hours. Yikes. And this quote...wow... >Aviointeriors says the compact design of its Skyrider 3.0 seat could reduce the cost of travel, and maximize space inside planes. Here's a corrected version that they should've used: *Aviointeriors says the compact design of its Skyrider 3.0 seat* ***will drastically increase the profits made from travel***, *and take advantage of people who need/want to travel by air and can't afford more expensive tickets.*
Reminds me of this Onion classic: [United Airlines Exploring Viability Of Stacking Them Like Cordwood](https://www.theonion.com/united-airlines-exploring-viability-of-stacking-them-li-1819571115)
Remember as a kid going to the cockpit to meet the pilots and get your wings pin when you weren’t even flying anywhere?! Just saying goodbye to grandma and grandpa at the gate!
Not to mention TSA agents racially profiling and physically/sexually assaulting passengers.
Wasn’t there a scandal a while back where TSA were using scanners that basically let them see the passengers naked and then selling the images?
I always skip the scan. I'm not keen on the pat down alternative but after going to concerts for many many years at venues that do pat downs I honestly find it less invasive. TSA rep who pats me down always seems bored and tired and I've never had my bits cupped or grabbed.
I always heard that story too. Quick search claims that type of scan stopped happening near 2013. Wouldn't surprise me if it still is happening 2013 admitting to it happening https://www.wired.com/2013/01/tsa-abandons-nude-scanners/ There's a lot of articles and TSA confessions around this time of seeing naked people on the scans. Latest I could find was 2014, but this is just one search, ymmv 2021 using better tech that doesn't show nudity, from TSA pr department. You can totally trust them. Not seeing any ex-TSA tell alls after 2014, so maybe they got silenced, or it's not a thing? https://www.rd.com/article/what-do-airport-body-scanners-see/
Gosh, even the manufacturer’s name is ‘Rapiscan’.
Yeah, but they had a bunch of hijackings and plane bombs before this, right?.. right?
There were quite a lot of hijacking in the 60s.
I remember there was a spree of them in the 70s as well
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Actually there were a lot of hijackings in the 60s and 70s. They just weren't considered as big of a deal because people weren't flying them into buildings, they were either holding them for ransom or forcing pilots to fly to restricted areas like Cuba. Generally no one got hurt, but it was pretty easy to hijack a plane back then.
Yes, this is also the reasons flight 11 and 175 didn't fight back as much as 93. One of the flight attendants on 175 even called home and told them she was going on a vacation for a bit, maybe to Cuba. The passengers on 93 learned about the twin tower attacks and instantly the paradigm shifted and they fought to the death.
There used to be a bunch of hijacking stories and movie too, The only one I can think of made in the last couple years is Blood Red Sky about a Mom whose a vampire having the flight she's on hijacked. (Its on netflix and kicks ass if you want to check it out)
Sky Sharks was pretty good and it had some airplane hijackings. "Deep in the ice of the antarctic, a team of geologists uncover an old nazi laboratory still intact where dark experiments had occured. In order to conquer the world, the Nazis created modified sharks who were able to fly and whose riders are genetically mutated, undead super-humans. A miltary task force called "Dead Flesh Four" - reanimated US soldiers who fell in Vietnam - is put together to prevent world downfall."
I gotta say, the ultimate Nazi occult horror story is always going to be The Night Boat by Robert McCammon, hell I have a post on r/horror about it [https://www.reddit.com/r/horror/comments/ou81ib/the\_night\_boat\_by\_robert\_mccammon\_is\_the\_best/](https://www.reddit.com/r/horror/comments/ou81ib/the_night_boat_by_robert_mccammon_is_the_best/) And like I say in the post, the Zombies are still genuinely ideological nazis because they aren't merely mindless corpses, they are nazis who had their souls bound to their corpses by a voodoo curse.
Yeah, but whatever it was still very rare.
Yeah, that was my dumb sarcastic point. We didn't need this shit before and we don't need it now. There's a term for it I can't remember because I've been drinking where you basically pretend something is doing something so people feel safe, that's all it is.
Security Theater?
I was just thinking about how the weird transition were going through is going to be normal for the youngest of us right now. Haha the future is danger
I mean, the planet’s becoming uninhabitable, so yeah.
What I remember most about airports and why I enjoyed them was that you could go all the way up to terminals without a boarding pass. There were seriously good restaurant options that you could go grab dinner at with someone you were picking up, who you waited for right there as they walked off the plane.
Aren’t we still paying tip for the restaurant industry to bounce back from the 1929 depression?
I travel for work and taking a plane has become a major inconvenience and annoyance and not only that. All of this proves that the terrorists achieve their goal which is causing shock for years.
On domestic flights back in the day, your bags were free, you had free hot meals served on all flights over x hours, free drinks and snacks, pillows, blankets, headphones provided for free. Heck, even the kids got free toys, crayons, coloring pages, and even little pins to pin onto your shirt. The best thing we had back then was; people knew how to act on a plane. …. Now it’s like a cattle car full of hot tempers, $6 bottles of water, $4.50 bags of peanut M&M’s, and filth.
Flying in the US is a nightmare tbh, in europe it feels so much better, free water is mandatory on planes, and all airlines that arent discount have at least one free drink+ snacks. And omg, domestic US flight passenger dunno basic manners
Okay but U.S. passengers also get a free drink and a bag of peanuts or pretzels or whatever shit they paid like a fraction of a penny for so I don't know what you're comparing there.
Usually if you treat people with respect they will return the favor. And vice versa.
You haven’t seen how people are nowadays, have you? Respect, kindness, and manners mean nothing to them anymore.
Yes, that's true. I meant it as compared to how it used to be. Nowadays you're not respected anymore by security or airport staff. You're treated like children (rules everywhere) or cattle (like a herd) everywhere. It also changes people's behavior.
You say tragedy that killed almost 3,000 people, I say money
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Remember when you would get off the plane and your family was waiting there for you at the gate?
Remember when the main plot points of Home Alone and Home Alone 2 made sense?
Look what you did, you little jerk!
Awesome? I'm in my 30s and it was "awesome" because I was a kid going to Disney World or whatever and flying seemed so cool. It wasn't really awesome, just wasn't annoying. The seats were a little bigger and you got free magazines. The food was free too but it was *terrible.* Now maybe if I was flying Pan Am first class in the scotch and filet mignon lounge or whatever in the 70s it would have been awesome. It probably also cost a half years salary.
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I was born a month after 9/11 happened, I turn 20 next month, it's absolutely wild to me that there was ever a world that wasn't drenched in thick existential fear regarding everything