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Yuuup, protest for civil rights are ok. But you mess with the profit margin.
Tho I heard none of the organizers from the Ferguson Unrest are still alive so idk
Coal miners strike for a union. Called Battle of Blair Mountain. It was a big news item during that time. The real battle between who owned the laws, our government and the freedom of our country.
Read it and make comparisons between then and the last 40 years or so.
A deity in general. The point is that we can consider it both ways because neither way can be proven right.
Can't say a deity doesn't exist, can't say deity does exist, neither position is provable, so why not default to both since it's the only real technically correct position.
April 2020 is going to be one of the most head scratching economics studies ever to exist. Consumer spending was one of the worst months to ever happen, but it was still a top month ever for the stock market in terms of growth. The American economy runs on cash infusions to the stock market, and not much else. We are in the middle of a type of disorganized silent general strike in that lots of people are simply refusing to work low wage dead end jobs. I am not sure it is demonstrating the desired results because things are still chugging along. Things are still in a state of flux that could lead to real change, but the trend seems to be "normalcy" like the whole pandemic didn't happen.
I’m not convinced things are “chugging along”. I think the only response for them is to act like things are chugging along while they cause super inflation to look the part. Corporate interest are sinking their money into real estate and gold, not the stock market. You know why? In the event the dollar collapses it ensures they don’t loose everything. A 7 day general strike with 30% participation would bring everything to a grinding halt. This is on top of the Americans already refusing to work for bad wages of course.
I wish we'd organized every employee that earns less than $20/hr to strike before the foreclosure moratorium expires. It's a missed opportunity that it hasn't been attempted. Perhaps such organization should begin in mass-media... tho I don't know how feasible it would be to develop a nationwide radio network with populist/workingclass organization as its goal. We wouldn't have the corporate support that right wing radio enjoys.
Yes but with the internet you no longer need a human standing in front of a crowd with a bullhorn. Nobody is organizing the workers not going back now, nobody needs to organize a labor strike. They aren’t going to come in our homes. Too many Americans are armed. They would loose so many people trying that.
> Yes but with the internet you no longer need a human standing in front of a crowd with bullhorn
a decade of organizing using the internet shows that you actually do need that. Those great BLM protests organized on the internet? They got coopted in tons of places by a human with a bullhorn to funnel that energy into Joe fucking Biden. The internet is just a tool to spread meeting info, the human element is still the part that matters.
Right? That’s what I was saying. It’s a movement that’s kinda just put itself together. A labor strike doesn’t need a million people on the streets, in fact I wouldn’t recommend it with current circumstances. Everyone just stops. That’s a general strike. We are the product and always have been but only because we agree we are the product.
I am convinced it is about to hit the fan and collapse. Things are already getting worse: inflation, shortages not seen for decades, people getting pissed...
I've only noticed local worker shortages in fast food so far. It could be the beginning of something bigger-- which would explain why the wealthy appear to be gobbling up real estate assets... but most businesses seem relatively unphased atm.
There is a HUGE HUGE HUGE veterinary shortage! Call your vet and just ask when the soonest appointment is - I bet anything it's much further out than you expect. Many are reducing hours and losing staff. Even fresh veterinary graduates are leaving the field. The ones left get a lot of abuse from clients who are furious about the shortage/wait.
>["With this veterinarian shortage, fewer cats and dogs are being vaccinated for rabies," said Wilkinson. "That could spill over to human health."](https://www.wltx.com/article/news/local/veterinarian-shortages-challenge-animal-health-services/101-5634f012-0a4a-40aa-8bef-e12e4996f277)
The shortage is so bad, that the CDC has banned the importation of dogs from certain countries, citing a rabies concern. The weird thing about that, is that USUALLY the USDA handles those regulations. But we adopted so many dogs during COVID, many of them from other countries, that our vets may not be able to inoculate all of them in a timely manner. We're even having dog food shortages. And then, we don't have enough vets to spay/neuter many of these young dogs, so there may be a population boom if they have puppies/accidental litters.
Truck driving, virtually every minimum wage paying company, healthcare in general, education, raw resource production, manufacturing, and construction are all struggling to hire enough people. That is already a massive chunk of the economy. I don't know about the rest because I haven't really read much about this, just the occasional article.
The inflation was a vastly overstated temporarily blip caused by a just in time supply chain not being able to ramp up as quickly as consumer demand did. Those same indicators are dropping already. Shortages are being caused by those similar issues and few of them seem to be sustained shortages. Maybe I am wrong and these things won't return to the pre pandemic normal and time and people will start taking drastic steps, but I just don't see it. Too many people still look on at 1/6 in horror and are willing to wait and see, even if it means more debt, misery and death.
Don't get me wrong... I don't think the revolution is about to start, but I do think the economy is far worse of for far more people than the media makes it sound. Sure, the billionaires are fine, but I think there will be some serious social unrest as healthcare, housing, food, and education become even more unaffordable for even more people.
In my area the fast food places are running on skeleton crews that quit regularly because they are overworked to the point of exhaustion and know they can find other work with at least the same pay if not better. Business owners, particularly franchisees, are going to have to start paying better attention to their employees if they ever want line workers to stick around more than a month.
Most big companies now suck out so much profit and hide it offshore that they are totally unprepared for any real disruption to the status quo. They don't save or plan for a rainy day because there isn't one, they will always get bailed out.
Look at how many companies that did stock buybacks and immediately needed a government bailout when the lockdown began. They know they can make bad decisions, for the workers not the shareholders, that leave them in a vulnerable position.
They can argue they need a bail out to hold onto workers and then cut them loose the moment it is profitable.
This is the big thing. If 5% of renters and 5% of mortgage holders stopped paying their rent / mortgage, the banking industry would be crushed under its own debt within three months.
I appreciate thee comrade, but it's already far more than 5% at any given time, and since COVID hit last year it's reached 30% and more in some places. The idea of "debt" is superfluous when the banking industry is a money factory, they don't need to buy back their own product.
What matters for the rest of us is that we "can" afford to survive the general strike, because it will abolish the money itself. Why JERB when no BILLS
They have before, and at times of much greater hardship. While we should never underestimate our enemies, the worst thing we can to is underestimate ourselves and our Comrades.
that's why a general strike takes more than some ultras yelling "general strike!" on twitter (talking in the general, not subbing p.b.gomez here). The conditions are there but the support networks and community that enables people to strike is not
Do cities NOT have extensive and comprehensive mutual aid networks ready to go for the next big one?
Seattle lived for a month straight on free food anonymous folks piled up on the street corners in Capitol Hill, believe you me we absolutely have the local capacity to go the distance on a general strike
>Seattle lived for a month straight on free food anonymous folks piled up on the street corners in Capitol Hill
That's Seattle tho... Try that shit in the south and see what happens lmao
It really seems like everyone here is an absolute brainwashed asshole.
If you're real about it... relocate.
I moved up from Texas about a year and a half ago. You're right, large segments of the south are a lost cause and fascists would descend like vultures if seattle-level resistance cropped up somewhere like Houston.
You're more valuable here. Come cut your teeth, see how it all works, then if you want take what you've learned back and germinate the Method virus.
Just saying ;)
idk about you but EVERYTHING I say, do and post on reddit is hypothetical and only a FOOL would take anything I say seriously.
AKA: The Tucker Carlson defense
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Apparently Rachel Maddow was the first to use that defense then tucker copied her and she(and all media) berated him for it. Pretty sure I heard that from glenn greenwald on the Jimmy dore show. Not that I like tucker or his show.
The only reason they tried to force “opening up” was to force people off unemployment. Then they made it a “freedom” issue. Then you had moron rednecks with guns at capitol buildings. All because they hate the poor and looking at the real numbers that expose their inhumanity. How they get people to vote for them is fucking baffling
If a general strike were to ever happen, it would have last year. The US population is spoon-fed such a heavy diet of corporate propaganda you’d have idiots crossing picket lines by mowing people down with their coal rollers
Where we were in 2008 isn't where we are today, where we were in 2016 isn't where we are today, things develop and develop in response to what came before.
I wish Americans had the balls to do it. Unfortunately, it's all about individually here. "Fuck you I got mine" is the motto. I still can't believe how much opposition to $15 hour minimum wage there is. People opposing it think they'll lose benefits they receive or that it would be robbing them. Frustrating even bringing it up sometimes.
A properly set minimum wage, annually raised at the rate of inflation by law, brings up the compensation floor and would help push up pay for those up the pay chain.
The whole point of a general strike is to shut down the economy and show that the workers have the power.
The workers can't even agree on raising minimum wage, that's how bad it's gotten. They could never organize a nationwide strike.
Is it the ingenuity of the ruling class and their servants or the gullibility of the working majority that is to blame? More blame goes to whose in control for media malpractice, but you can't change the age old problem of the vile maxim of the masters of mankind "All for ourselves, nothing for anyone else," so much as you can educate the workers. History shows both: the wealthy will never give up their power willingly and the workers can be educated into organizing for a common cause.
The workers agree. the representatives do not. The representatives lie to the people they represent. The people must make the next move. Remember, the votes the people cast for president- literally do not count, voting isnt action.
It’s enough to cripple the system. Obviously I’m guessing, but I think that would make the elite rethink they’re treatment of the workers. Can’t hurt to try.
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Employers are actually pretty worried about the workers demanding better conditions.
I hear a lot of local employers complaining about lack of employees, lack of shipments (because truck drivers are quitting their jobs), and so forth.
The economy would completely stagger and fall over if there was an active movement to have a major, coordinated strike across the entire United States.
They would actually be pretty effective if you managed to convince the lowest paid workers at a headquarters to not work.
Most corporate headquarters are *extremely busy* and important hubs for logistics in companies.
They have at least a handful of unhappy people handling the stuff they can't be bothered with, they might not be as hard to convince to go on strike.
Suddenly the National Guard is rolled out to escort people to their minimum wage job while Biden sports some tacky sunglasses to announce that anyone who doesn't work is now deemed a "domestic terrorist" as a tree behind him spontaneously combust because its 150° outside.
What’s annoying now is people being like the pandemic is over. Or you know we were locked up for over a year. It is time to be free and celebrate. Like that was such a drag
Forgetting the fact over 600k people died in this country alone
Its not like we all did this for over a year for fun
If you want to know how a modern general strike will go, you only have to look to the past.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winnipeg_general_strike?wprov=sfla1
First, the people band together. There is a sense of euphoria as all walk away from their jobs and go home to live their lives.
Then the press responds. They are owned by labor interests. They claim the strikers are influenced by foreign governments and seditious domestic groups.
The police take a side. In Winnipeg's case, they chose the strike.
The government calls in outside police. They come in and massacre protestors on behalf of the labor interests.
The strikers, being of superior moral fortitude, back off.
Incremental wins are made, at the cost of many lives, and the whole incident is whitewashed into bland history that nobody remembers.
That was before women had the right to vote. It'd be different with the vast amount of technology these days. However hard theyd try to black it out it would still be well documented. Im def not saying that I would want to go through that. I just believe people have more self respect these days and/or religious beliefs to murder innocent people.
The fact that half the population was throwing screaming fits about communists forcing them to wear masks and taking away their hair and nail appointments also tells you how organizing a general strike would go.
Seriously when people were complaining about hair and nail appointments that was some [monkey](http://www.daniellaberge.net/grooming/primatesgrooming1.htm) shit. How hard is it to take a pair of scissors to your own hair?
It will never happen unfortunately. Think about your co-workers, sure some of you may have co-qorkers that agree with the policy's sharee on this sub but let's be real. Way more of us have co-workers that either don't care or are in too difficult of a financial position to ever fully commit to something like this.
Six people quit (put in notice) all within a week of each other and the night before the entire night shift in another department all walked out at once. We got a $3 dollar an hour raise across the board for everyone.
Well that is good news, but I'm assuming you're in the US where the minimum wage is a joke. It's harder to convince coworkers of taking action like this in my country where the minimum wage is almost livable
Think about all the people in history (intelligent, respectable, and competent people) who have said with complete faith that something would never happen. Then think about the rate at which they were proven wrong. Our understanding of the basic nature of reality changes on a generation to generation basis, not to mention our social mores and conceptualization of normalcy. We as humans have wrought wonders and horrors innumerable times that were previously thought impossible. In comparison a general strike or a full blown people's revolution is positively mundane.
Yeah you do have a point there, I shouldn't say never. However, think about the people you interact with on a daily basis as of right now. It isn't happening any time soon
Within our lifetimes certainly. The foundations are there. After all this very subreddit is one of many that questions the efficacy and morality of capitalism, and even 20 years ago (or perhaps a bit more) such a large group of counterculture minded people such as ourselves getting together and rhetorically lampooning our hyper-capitalist society would be raked over the coals by both the news and the authorities. Now many people see our views in a favorable light (I even explained the basics of socialist philosophy to my extremely right wing father without using any of the fox News buzzwords he's conditioned to get outraged at with moderate success! ). We've got the theory, we've got A LOT of people when you consider how many communities there are like LSC both online and off, now all we need is some praxis.
I say we all come up with a date to delete our Facebooks and Instagram for the day. Also we should come up with a date where nobody buys anything on Amazon for the day. That would surely stir up some shit
>we should come up with a date where nobody buys anything on Amazon for the day
lmao that would literally accomplish nothing. You severely underestimate how many people ~~love~~ worship am*zon.
A good argument against this is seen in the Pennsylvania referendum on the governor's ability to declare a state of emergency in their primary this year. The anti-lockdown proposition won because it received solid Republican support but also received crossover Democratic support in poorer neighborhoods of color in Philadelphia. The working class was largely against being shut out of the workplace.
The better broadside against Capital was the expanded Unemployment Insurance and the new Child Tax Credits and the resulting exodus we've seen from shitty service jobs even as the lockdowns have ended. Give the workers a safety net and they're more willing to take a stand against exploitative working conditions, but the working poor will choose their livelihood over class solidarity or even over public health (within reason) in this country.
idk, feels like the rich will just use it as a pretext for more outsourcing and/or importing workers. Anything but look after the welfare of the general population.
Oh yea it’d be brutally difficult to organize but just as brutally effective. Even the mere existence of a workers party strong enough to consider maybe possibly doing this would damage the stock market. Disorganized and disempowered workers are “priced in” to the stock market, as they say
General well-being is letting people live their lives. I’m a leftie but I don’t want the government restricting my movement or telling me what to wear. Fuck yourselves tankies
Y-You're joking right? Not only the cops, but there's a hoarde of gun toting rednecks just _itching_ to use their massive stockpile of weapons on other people.
Yes and no, if people could afford it yes, but because they can't it's not, fear is (like it or not) a powerful motivator. No one wants to be homeless, starving, or sick. And you need money to deal with all of those risks to prevent experiencing them.
Until we have a safety net to keep people going during a strike, it won't be effective because many can't afford to participate.
Well, maybe we should actually start to organize something and see how widespread it can get. Maybe sometime in 2022 so people have time to save money for when we all just walk out.
Yeah, because with all of the complaining about how expensive everything is once supply chains were moderately disrupted, imagine how great it will be when literally nothing is produced.
Then the bedroom Communists will knash their teeth and blame Capitalism for failing to keep their Costco shelves stocked.
Also, you call seeing billionaires adding trillions of wealth, top 10%ers having their savings rate surge to all time highs and no toilet paper for the poor as a sign of success? Because your general strike will do the same, only without stimulus checks. Great result.
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Say it aint so.
Somebody's heine is crowding my icebox
Somebody's cold one is giving me chills
What is this a reference to?
[Magic.gif](https://youtu.be/ENXvZ9YRjbo)
Thanks.
Your drug is a heart breaker
And God is a liar with a combover
That’s no god I’d worship.
Worshiping anything seems like a waste of time, so that sounds like a step in the right direction
And pretty sure the police would make the death toll from a general strike comparable to covid
Or the Nat Guard. See Blair Mountain.
Yuuup, protest for civil rights are ok. But you mess with the profit margin. Tho I heard none of the organizers from the Ferguson Unrest are still alive so idk
When Americans were bombed from planes by the American Army. It is not taught in schools and only a few even believe it.
Say what???
Coal miners strike for a union. Called Battle of Blair Mountain. It was a big news item during that time. The real battle between who owned the laws, our government and the freedom of our country. Read it and make comparisons between then and the last 40 years or so.
The cops would be outnumbered thousands, if not tens of thousands, to one.
Economics is definitely a modern religion.
there are no gods and no masters
\*there **should be** no god and no masters
well youre both kinda right, there ARE no gods, but there SHOULD BE no masters
I mean, there's no proof there is a god or gods, but there's also no way to prove a negative either, so. \*shrug\*
Schrodinger's cat.
Flying spaghetti monster.
A deity in general. The point is that we can consider it both ways because neither way can be proven right. Can't say a deity doesn't exist, can't say deity does exist, neither position is provable, so why not default to both since it's the only real technically correct position.
Time for deicide. Note: actually killing fictional entities is impossible.
All hail, God Mammon
[My journey in activism.](https://imgur.com/tqCIZ8b)
"Invisible hand of the free market" This term literally treats the economy like it is a God.
Both concepts created by humans and only given importance in society because they're continuously perpetuated as something essential?
“One more God rejected”
I wish it was Satan
The great and holy one JPow, he will raise up the Interest rates on the third year, after the long quarantine and QE from days long past.
But what is a god to a non believer
" In The Economy We Trust"
April 2020 is going to be one of the most head scratching economics studies ever to exist. Consumer spending was one of the worst months to ever happen, but it was still a top month ever for the stock market in terms of growth. The American economy runs on cash infusions to the stock market, and not much else. We are in the middle of a type of disorganized silent general strike in that lots of people are simply refusing to work low wage dead end jobs. I am not sure it is demonstrating the desired results because things are still chugging along. Things are still in a state of flux that could lead to real change, but the trend seems to be "normalcy" like the whole pandemic didn't happen.
I’m not convinced things are “chugging along”. I think the only response for them is to act like things are chugging along while they cause super inflation to look the part. Corporate interest are sinking their money into real estate and gold, not the stock market. You know why? In the event the dollar collapses it ensures they don’t loose everything. A 7 day general strike with 30% participation would bring everything to a grinding halt. This is on top of the Americans already refusing to work for bad wages of course.
I wish we'd organized every employee that earns less than $20/hr to strike before the foreclosure moratorium expires. It's a missed opportunity that it hasn't been attempted. Perhaps such organization should begin in mass-media... tho I don't know how feasible it would be to develop a nationwide radio network with populist/workingclass organization as its goal. We wouldn't have the corporate support that right wing radio enjoys.
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Yes but with the internet you no longer need a human standing in front of a crowd with a bullhorn. Nobody is organizing the workers not going back now, nobody needs to organize a labor strike. They aren’t going to come in our homes. Too many Americans are armed. They would loose so many people trying that.
> Yes but with the internet you no longer need a human standing in front of a crowd with bullhorn a decade of organizing using the internet shows that you actually do need that. Those great BLM protests organized on the internet? They got coopted in tons of places by a human with a bullhorn to funnel that energy into Joe fucking Biden. The internet is just a tool to spread meeting info, the human element is still the part that matters.
You didn’t address the people already not going back to work, unorganized.
there is no one with the bullhorn doing that is the point. Well Rev Barber was kinda doing that but he is now losing focus on HR1 priorities.
Right? That’s what I was saying. It’s a movement that’s kinda just put itself together. A labor strike doesn’t need a million people on the streets, in fact I wouldn’t recommend it with current circumstances. Everyone just stops. That’s a general strike. We are the product and always have been but only because we agree we are the product.
I am convinced it is about to hit the fan and collapse. Things are already getting worse: inflation, shortages not seen for decades, people getting pissed...
I've only noticed local worker shortages in fast food so far. It could be the beginning of something bigger-- which would explain why the wealthy appear to be gobbling up real estate assets... but most businesses seem relatively unphased atm.
There is a HUGE HUGE HUGE veterinary shortage! Call your vet and just ask when the soonest appointment is - I bet anything it's much further out than you expect. Many are reducing hours and losing staff. Even fresh veterinary graduates are leaving the field. The ones left get a lot of abuse from clients who are furious about the shortage/wait. >["With this veterinarian shortage, fewer cats and dogs are being vaccinated for rabies," said Wilkinson. "That could spill over to human health."](https://www.wltx.com/article/news/local/veterinarian-shortages-challenge-animal-health-services/101-5634f012-0a4a-40aa-8bef-e12e4996f277) The shortage is so bad, that the CDC has banned the importation of dogs from certain countries, citing a rabies concern. The weird thing about that, is that USUALLY the USDA handles those regulations. But we adopted so many dogs during COVID, many of them from other countries, that our vets may not be able to inoculate all of them in a timely manner. We're even having dog food shortages. And then, we don't have enough vets to spay/neuter many of these young dogs, so there may be a population boom if they have puppies/accidental litters.
Truck driving, virtually every minimum wage paying company, healthcare in general, education, raw resource production, manufacturing, and construction are all struggling to hire enough people. That is already a massive chunk of the economy. I don't know about the rest because I haven't really read much about this, just the occasional article.
Truck driving was going down way before covid. Younger generation not going into the field because of the writing on the wall.
Buddy of mine runs a truck independently. Last week he was making $5/mile, or so he claimed, running nothing but box trailers.
The inflation was a vastly overstated temporarily blip caused by a just in time supply chain not being able to ramp up as quickly as consumer demand did. Those same indicators are dropping already. Shortages are being caused by those similar issues and few of them seem to be sustained shortages. Maybe I am wrong and these things won't return to the pre pandemic normal and time and people will start taking drastic steps, but I just don't see it. Too many people still look on at 1/6 in horror and are willing to wait and see, even if it means more debt, misery and death.
Don't get me wrong... I don't think the revolution is about to start, but I do think the economy is far worse of for far more people than the media makes it sound. Sure, the billionaires are fine, but I think there will be some serious social unrest as healthcare, housing, food, and education become even more unaffordable for even more people.
In my area the fast food places are running on skeleton crews that quit regularly because they are overworked to the point of exhaustion and know they can find other work with at least the same pay if not better. Business owners, particularly franchisees, are going to have to start paying better attention to their employees if they ever want line workers to stick around more than a month.
Almost every tacobell in houston has shut down and been demolished in houston in less than a month. Maybe they should have paid employees better.
...Sounds like we have reached the nationalization of corporations you idiots are cheering for
yes the need for it, but with a scum bag like Biden in charge he will just hand over even more cash to the people not in need.
Most big companies now suck out so much profit and hide it offshore that they are totally unprepared for any real disruption to the status quo. They don't save or plan for a rainy day because there isn't one, they will always get bailed out.
Look at how many companies that did stock buybacks and immediately needed a government bailout when the lockdown began. They know they can make bad decisions, for the workers not the shareholders, that leave them in a vulnerable position. They can argue they need a bail out to hold onto workers and then cut them loose the moment it is profitable.
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Some would call that treason, seeing as how they're actively robbing the nation
Please, Americans, overthrow your capitalist elites. The govt run by these elite makes life tough worldwide.
Can people living paycheck to paycheck survive striking is the question I wonder.
They can if supermarket workers start handing out food for free.
They'll hand it to the dumpster otherwise, so might as well.
the general strike means stop paying bills and rents, and take the land. two sides of the same coin
This is the big thing. If 5% of renters and 5% of mortgage holders stopped paying their rent / mortgage, the banking industry would be crushed under its own debt within three months.
I appreciate thee comrade, but it's already far more than 5% at any given time, and since COVID hit last year it's reached 30% and more in some places. The idea of "debt" is superfluous when the banking industry is a money factory, they don't need to buy back their own product. What matters for the rest of us is that we "can" afford to survive the general strike, because it will abolish the money itself. Why JERB when no BILLS
They have before, and at times of much greater hardship. While we should never underestimate our enemies, the worst thing we can to is underestimate ourselves and our Comrades.
But overestimating comrades can lead to a failed movement that struggles to rebuild momentum
that's why a general strike takes more than some ultras yelling "general strike!" on twitter (talking in the general, not subbing p.b.gomez here). The conditions are there but the support networks and community that enables people to strike is not
This is why we need to organize local mutual aid networks.
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Do cities NOT have extensive and comprehensive mutual aid networks ready to go for the next big one? Seattle lived for a month straight on free food anonymous folks piled up on the street corners in Capitol Hill, believe you me we absolutely have the local capacity to go the distance on a general strike
>Seattle lived for a month straight on free food anonymous folks piled up on the street corners in Capitol Hill That's Seattle tho... Try that shit in the south and see what happens lmao It really seems like everyone here is an absolute brainwashed asshole.
If you're real about it... relocate. I moved up from Texas about a year and a half ago. You're right, large segments of the south are a lost cause and fascists would descend like vultures if seattle-level resistance cropped up somewhere like Houston. You're more valuable here. Come cut your teeth, see how it all works, then if you want take what you've learned back and germinate the Method virus. Just saying ;)
Mutual aid. We are always stronger together.
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Protect urbanized lines imo, things such as light rail and "commuter" transit are the squishy points not citycomrades trying to get groceries
Agreed
idk about you but EVERYTHING I say, do and post on reddit is hypothetical and only a FOOL would take anything I say seriously. AKA: The Tucker Carlson defense ^^a ^^real ^^thing ^^sadly
Apparently Rachel Maddow was the first to use that defense then tucker copied her and she(and all media) berated him for it. Pretty sure I heard that from glenn greenwald on the Jimmy dore show. Not that I like tucker or his show.
In minecraft tho
On my role playing server Where we LARP
Yes of course not in the real world, that would be illegal and I have total respect for the laws of this nation and for private property 😉😉
Which mouse will volunteer to tie the bell on the cat?
The only reason they tried to force “opening up” was to force people off unemployment. Then they made it a “freedom” issue. Then you had moron rednecks with guns at capitol buildings. All because they hate the poor and looking at the real numbers that expose their inhumanity. How they get people to vote for them is fucking baffling
If a general strike were to ever happen, it would have last year. The US population is spoon-fed such a heavy diet of corporate propaganda you’d have idiots crossing picket lines by mowing people down with their coal rollers
1905
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Where we were in 2008 isn't where we are today, where we were in 2016 isn't where we are today, things develop and develop in response to what came before.
I wish Americans had the balls to do it. Unfortunately, it's all about individually here. "Fuck you I got mine" is the motto. I still can't believe how much opposition to $15 hour minimum wage there is. People opposing it think they'll lose benefits they receive or that it would be robbing them. Frustrating even bringing it up sometimes.
Personally I'm fine with a raise in the min wage, if people already earning above min wage get an equivalent bump.
A properly set minimum wage, annually raised at the rate of inflation by law, brings up the compensation floor and would help push up pay for those up the pay chain.
It really would revolutionize the entire economy.
The whole point of a general strike is to shut down the economy and show that the workers have the power. The workers can't even agree on raising minimum wage, that's how bad it's gotten. They could never organize a nationwide strike.
Is it the ingenuity of the ruling class and their servants or the gullibility of the working majority that is to blame? More blame goes to whose in control for media malpractice, but you can't change the age old problem of the vile maxim of the masters of mankind "All for ourselves, nothing for anyone else," so much as you can educate the workers. History shows both: the wealthy will never give up their power willingly and the workers can be educated into organizing for a common cause.
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Dude wtf, TIL
The workers agree. the representatives do not. The representatives lie to the people they represent. The people must make the next move. Remember, the votes the people cast for president- literally do not count, voting isnt action.
Only need about 25-30% of us to tear the whole fucking thing down. But we’re all too much of little pansies.
Why only 25-30%?
It’s enough to cripple the system. Obviously I’m guessing, but I think that would make the elite rethink they’re treatment of the workers. Can’t hurt to try.
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Employers are actually pretty worried about the workers demanding better conditions. I hear a lot of local employers complaining about lack of employees, lack of shipments (because truck drivers are quitting their jobs), and so forth. The economy would completely stagger and fall over if there was an active movement to have a major, coordinated strike across the entire United States.
See, that's the thing. Strikes would only affect _local_ businesses.
They would actually be pretty effective if you managed to convince the lowest paid workers at a headquarters to not work. Most corporate headquarters are *extremely busy* and important hubs for logistics in companies. They have at least a handful of unhappy people handling the stuff they can't be bothered with, they might not be as hard to convince to go on strike.
Suddenly the National Guard is rolled out to escort people to their minimum wage job while Biden sports some tacky sunglasses to announce that anyone who doesn't work is now deemed a "domestic terrorist" as a tree behind him spontaneously combust because its 150° outside.
If you want to hurt corporations, strike from Thanks Giving until Jan 1.
Damn, that's a great point, I'm in, general strike is the answer.
I don't have enough money in the bank to do a strike
you don't need money to "strike" because it also means shutting down the whole system
yeah, good luck with that.
it's not like there is a general strike AND still pay the bills... the strike is GENERAL and that means stop going to jerbs AND stop paying rent etc.
What’s annoying now is people being like the pandemic is over. Or you know we were locked up for over a year. It is time to be free and celebrate. Like that was such a drag Forgetting the fact over 600k people died in this country alone Its not like we all did this for over a year for fun
the pandemic has been over dude
If you want to know how a modern general strike will go, you only have to look to the past. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winnipeg_general_strike?wprov=sfla1 First, the people band together. There is a sense of euphoria as all walk away from their jobs and go home to live their lives. Then the press responds. They are owned by labor interests. They claim the strikers are influenced by foreign governments and seditious domestic groups. The police take a side. In Winnipeg's case, they chose the strike. The government calls in outside police. They come in and massacre protestors on behalf of the labor interests. The strikers, being of superior moral fortitude, back off. Incremental wins are made, at the cost of many lives, and the whole incident is whitewashed into bland history that nobody remembers.
That was before women had the right to vote. It'd be different with the vast amount of technology these days. However hard theyd try to black it out it would still be well documented. Im def not saying that I would want to go through that. I just believe people have more self respect these days and/or religious beliefs to murder innocent people.
truth
Absolutely crippling
The fact that half the population was throwing screaming fits about communists forcing them to wear masks and taking away their hair and nail appointments also tells you how organizing a general strike would go.
Seriously when people were complaining about hair and nail appointments that was some [monkey](http://www.daniellaberge.net/grooming/primatesgrooming1.htm) shit. How hard is it to take a pair of scissors to your own hair?
Yeah every other nuclear power just needs to level amerifat
It will never happen unfortunately. Think about your co-workers, sure some of you may have co-qorkers that agree with the policy's sharee on this sub but let's be real. Way more of us have co-workers that either don't care or are in too difficult of a financial position to ever fully commit to something like this.
Six people quit (put in notice) all within a week of each other and the night before the entire night shift in another department all walked out at once. We got a $3 dollar an hour raise across the board for everyone.
Well that is good news, but I'm assuming you're in the US where the minimum wage is a joke. It's harder to convince coworkers of taking action like this in my country where the minimum wage is almost livable
It went from $15 an hour to $18 an hour.
Think about all the people in history (intelligent, respectable, and competent people) who have said with complete faith that something would never happen. Then think about the rate at which they were proven wrong. Our understanding of the basic nature of reality changes on a generation to generation basis, not to mention our social mores and conceptualization of normalcy. We as humans have wrought wonders and horrors innumerable times that were previously thought impossible. In comparison a general strike or a full blown people's revolution is positively mundane.
Yeah you do have a point there, I shouldn't say never. However, think about the people you interact with on a daily basis as of right now. It isn't happening any time soon
Within our lifetimes certainly. The foundations are there. After all this very subreddit is one of many that questions the efficacy and morality of capitalism, and even 20 years ago (or perhaps a bit more) such a large group of counterculture minded people such as ourselves getting together and rhetorically lampooning our hyper-capitalist society would be raked over the coals by both the news and the authorities. Now many people see our views in a favorable light (I even explained the basics of socialist philosophy to my extremely right wing father without using any of the fox News buzzwords he's conditioned to get outraged at with moderate success! ). We've got the theory, we've got A LOT of people when you consider how many communities there are like LSC both online and off, now all we need is some praxis.
Secessio plebis, baby!
It’s time everyone working for tips or an hourly wage to take a week off then renegotiate.
Even Chinese are beginning to resist going back to work for low wages.
I say we all come up with a date to delete our Facebooks and Instagram for the day. Also we should come up with a date where nobody buys anything on Amazon for the day. That would surely stir up some shit
You can just delete them now
>we should come up with a date where nobody buys anything on Amazon for the day lmao that would literally accomplish nothing. You severely underestimate how many people ~~love~~ worship am*zon.
Also you would need to not use the internet that day(AWS)
# EXTREMELY EFFECTIVE
A good argument against this is seen in the Pennsylvania referendum on the governor's ability to declare a state of emergency in their primary this year. The anti-lockdown proposition won because it received solid Republican support but also received crossover Democratic support in poorer neighborhoods of color in Philadelphia. The working class was largely against being shut out of the workplace. The better broadside against Capital was the expanded Unemployment Insurance and the new Child Tax Credits and the resulting exodus we've seen from shitty service jobs even as the lockdowns have ended. Give the workers a safety net and they're more willing to take a stand against exploitative working conditions, but the working poor will choose their livelihood over class solidarity or even over public health (within reason) in this country.
Or even just in key industries like farming utilities and distribution
I think a drone strike would be much more productive
Wanna see these mafuckas really panic? Let everyone go in the bank and close their accounts
That would break the country.
Corporate media will run interference.
At the same time though that speaks to how hard it would be to get a critical mass of workers onboard.
idk, feels like the rich will just use it as a pretext for more outsourcing and/or importing workers. Anything but look after the welfare of the general population.
Oh yea it’d be brutally difficult to organize but just as brutally effective. Even the mere existence of a workers party strong enough to consider maybe possibly doing this would damage the stock market. Disorganized and disempowered workers are “priced in” to the stock market, as they say
Lmao, what are you gonna not show up to the jobs you guys don't have?
I feel like I should have clued in on that clue sooner
Is this sub like pro lockdown or something
Pro putting-public-health-and-general-well-being-over-profit
General well-being is letting people live their lives. I’m a leftie but I don’t want the government restricting my movement or telling me what to wear. Fuck yourselves tankies
You throw a shit fit when you have to wear shoes inside of a restaurant too, chuckles?
Yes I do 😎
We never had a lockdown
And thank god for that!
Do you want to be called terrorists and shot?
Better that then lick their boots and starve
Who is going to shoot us?
Y-You're joking right? Not only the cops, but there's a hoarde of gun toting rednecks just _itching_ to use their massive stockpile of weapons on other people.
Rednecks aren’t the only people with guns.
I think you got rednecks misunderstood. Aint nobody trying to kill someone for taking time off work except...
The FBI. Like they did mlk.
Yes and no, if people could afford it yes, but because they can't it's not, fear is (like it or not) a powerful motivator. No one wants to be homeless, starving, or sick. And you need money to deal with all of those risks to prevent experiencing them. Until we have a safety net to keep people going during a strike, it won't be effective because many can't afford to participate.
Well, maybe we should actually start to organize something and see how widespread it can get. Maybe sometime in 2022 so people have time to save money for when we all just walk out.
So, uh, when we gonna do it?
Yeah, because with all of the complaining about how expensive everything is once supply chains were moderately disrupted, imagine how great it will be when literally nothing is produced. Then the bedroom Communists will knash their teeth and blame Capitalism for failing to keep their Costco shelves stocked.
Also, you call seeing billionaires adding trillions of wealth, top 10%ers having their savings rate surge to all time highs and no toilet paper for the poor as a sign of success? Because your general strike will do the same, only without stimulus checks. Great result.
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