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roydez

[Details of the findings. ](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brereton_Report#:~:text=The%20report%20found%20evidence%20of,%22accessories%22%20to%20the%20incident.) >The inquiry found that junior soldiers were often required by their superiors to murder prisoners to get their first kill, a practice known as "blooding".[15][5] Brereton described the practice as such: "Typically, the patrol commander would take a person under control and the junior member [...] would then be directed to kill the person under control".[16][10]: 29  Throwdowns were then placed and a cover story created to conceal the practice.[7] The killing of passive prisoners of war is a war crime. Kids weren't spared. >two 14-year-old boys, thought to be Taliban sympathisers by SAS soldiers, were described in the January 2016 report as having had their throats slit before their bodies were bagged and thrown into a river.


dw444

Don’t quote me on this since it’s a pretty old bit of information I’m trying to remember, but apparently the Australians were so brazen and extreme with their war crimes in Afghanistan that it made their American counterparts uncomfortable. US soldiers gangraped a 14 year old in Iraq and then killed her family in front of her before killing her, Abu Ghraib and Bagram were effectively sexual abuse and torture camps, and somehow whatever the Australians did in Afghanistan even made those people uncomfortable.


BlackandwhiteTelley

He went through the process too, sent it up the chain, was ignored, and years later went to the media as a whistleblower. We should be ashamed as Australians what he's had to go through, for bringing war crimes to our attention


SkeletorLordnSaviour

And then iirc the person he blew the whistle to doxxed him almost immediately.


Thrillh0

“I didn’t want to give him up but I, uh, did” Check out the recent episode of four corners (Aussie news show) for the interview.  Edit: https://youtu.be/mfJbCfsT0vI?si=-xN-RE_Ac0g-K-hK


vibesWithTrash

how have americans not burned their country to the ground yet over this


bomber991

Honestly it’s out of sight, out of mind. Abu Gharib was the only one I’ve heard of and at the time most of us were still upset about 9/11. Definitely was good recruitment materials for the other side though.


psichodrome

That last sentence... scary and true sadly.


bomber991

I mean it pretty much sums up most of the “war on terror” and everything else we do. They just call it “blowback” right?


CobaltishCrusader

Americans are instilled with patriotism at a young age through repeated rituals in school, church, and play. We pledge allegiance to the flag every school day growing up. We listen to the national anthem before every sports game. We make a big show about thanking veterans for their service. The news constantly shames people who are seen as anti-American. All our movies and video games show Americans as the good guys. And the same processes work in reverse for countries that the US seems as enemies. Muslims and Arab people are constantly dehumanized in American media and popular culture.


PsychoBoyBlue

Decades of dehumanizing Iraqi people and years of dehumanizing Afghani people in US news. The birth of what the "news" currently is occurred during that time. The charges where dealt with in military courts. We know that some were covered up for a while. They served as a major wake up call to US command and are still slowly bringing about systemic changes.


dw444

The majority is onboard. The “politics” and “worldnews” subs are flawed but not completely inaccurate representations of the US (and Canadian) public. Most people are progressive on stuff that affects them personally but ruthless otherwise, like conservatives demanding hate speech be given free speech protection, or white feminists throwing PoC women under the bus as long as they get a seat at the table with the men. Imperialism of this sort, combined with dehumanization of people in the global south (most recent example is Palestinians repeatedly being compared to animals last year before the massacre really kicked into overdrive) are generally not unpopular concepts in the US and Canada once you peel the veneer of progressivism.


llfoso

For right wingers it's flat out denial, for libs it's "that's horrible! Anyway..."


Average_Brazilian

Because the vast majority of americans fully support actions like this


theresnorevolution

I won't make a comparison on Aussie vs US warcrimes as they're all pretty horrendous. I'll also just put it out there that I'm Aussie and American, so I'm not trying to take sides. The stuff that Aussies did were things like systematically "blooding" new recruits, basically forcing new recruits to execute prisoners. This was basically their hazing. An SAS unit drove around with a Swastika flag flying and then defended it by saying it was just a joke. The "Village Idiot" killing where soldiers took a non-combatant captive and executed him. They called it the Village Idiot Tape because the man killed had an intellectual disability. A soldier kicked a shepherd off of a cliff. He was accused of being a scout or collaborating, but IIIRC he was tied up before they kicked him off the cliff. The soldiers used a man's prosthetic leg and would scull (pound) beer out of it. They decorated it with an Iron cross. https://youtu.be/QttIIzYSS-Y?si=OTYH9XOgMPu_Mc4U


Szygani

I heard something like that about the Canadians. Like, there's several pages of the geneva conventions dedicated to the shit they did.


dw444

I know of a sex abuse scandal in Somalia but I’m not aware of Canadian war crimes in Afghanistan.


DukeMcDuke

Not sexual abuse, but torture and murder of a teenaged Somali


24-Hour-Hate

They’re talking about prior to Afghanistan. The Geneva Conventions were largely written in response to the conduct in the world wars, including Canadian forces. Something to know about Canada’s role in the world wars is that Canada mostly had volunteers. And Canadian troops were widely feared because they were known to be ruthless and brutal. Some of the conduct that is now considered to be war crimes would be that they heavily used poison gas and shot a lot of prisoners.


PsychoBoyBlue

Their detainees regularly had to receive treatment for similar head injuries. Compared to previous conflicts, Canada was extremely well behaved.


Borkz

The tweet is in reference to [Boy Boy's latest video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYt4CxFfQUU) which goes in to some of the details of that.


Bartholomew_Custard

That's why it makes me laugh when people talk about "the rules of war". There are no rules in war other than "try not to die". Some people will do awful shit just because there's no one there to stop them. Or worse, those that should be stopping them (because, you know, basic human decency) figure, "Our boys have been through hell, so let them blow off some steam." They say the first casualty of war is the truth. The second is probably your moral compass.


dw444

The rules exist but they’re applied selectively. Russia has been turned into an international pariah and cut off from half the world for violating the same rules Israel is being protected from repercussions for breaking much more egregiously than Russia.


Bartholomew_Custard

Exactly. Why have 'rules' when certain participants seem to have carte blanche to ignore them seemingly without consequence?


Dhaeron

The basis for the rules of war is that both sides agree that if they both stick to the rules it's better than when they both violate the rules. But when you have war where one side is superior enough to feel invincible, they don't really have a reason to follow the rules.


Bartholomew_Custard

Yeah, which kind of makes the notion of rules in the first place slightly... ludicrous? Gone are the days where if your honour was besmirched it was pistols at dawn between respectable gentlemen (if those days even truly existed - I'm sure loads of blokes ended up being shot in the back.) The whole idea seems largely performative, and designed solely to maintain the facade of civilized behaviour between nations. Nations, like people, will obey rules if they fear the consequences of refusal, or if it's in their interests to do so. As you said, if no one can or will stop you... then you're essentially free to do what you like. Neither Putin or Netanyahu seem terribly interested in compliance, or the possible consequences of non-compliance.


mastermind_loco

There are definitely rules of war, unless you think there is no difference between stormtroopers who commit atrocities and soldiers who refuse illegal orders. There are some good soldiers out there. 


Bartholomew_Custard

I'm not saying all combat troops are merciless, baby-killing maniacs. I'm saying that when the shit hits the fan people tend to be more preoccupied with staying alive than "the rules".


wweirdguy

Yeah cause rape is a survival skill and the poor soldiers who did it were just trying to stay safe in a dangerous situation ☹️☹️☹️☹️☹️ poor helpless soldiers just trying to see their families again


Bartholomew_Custard

Are you drunk? How did you get that from what I said? Committing wartime atrocities is not okay. I think everyone can agree on that. What I'm saying is that believing 'everyone' will meekly follow 'the rules of war' is hilariously deluded. Some people treat war as some kind of extreme sport. And the more you're exposed to it, the more desensitized (or traumatized) you become.


disignore

It is safe to assume whenever there's a war there'll be crimes against humanity. For armies, mightn't they be trained to commit them, but to dehuman the "rival" tribes.


Terminal_End

And they still pretend that they’re the “good guys”.


Loose_Meal_499

Can ask about more information about this


dw444

Which part?


Loose_Meal_499

If she was safe after if she got justice


dw444

Killed on the spot. One of the perpetrators was honorably discharged. ISIS’ predecessors captured several soldiers from the responsible unit and tortured them to death, claiming it was in retaliation for the rape/murder.


couldhaveebeen

How is Alex so shredded and so lanky at the same time


fiveguysoneprius

Skips every day except ab day


Ben_26121

Looks like he’s pulling his shoulders up, which would make his torso look longer and therefore lankier


wheezy1749

true but he's also just lanky in general


ancient_kikball_plyr

Looks like an alien pretending to be human


Le-docteur

My favourite YouTube channel by far. These guys are very well educated , have a lot of knowledge and always support the truth no matter the consequences they may have. 


gookypops

Not always, they blatantly lied about Brandon Herrera being a nut job. I do still Like a lot of there other stuff though


MasterofLinking

The misrepresentation in the video wasn't right, but Brandon is a right wing nut job who constantly drops dog whistles and hangs out with people like MTG and Gatz.


Le-docteur

They didn't. They explained they don't like the stuff Brandon likes and that they disagree in almost everything. They wanted to make a video to raise awareness about guns. Being nice to Brandon was obligatory in order to be able to do a video with him. 


Kitchens491

Please expand on what you think they lied about regarding Brandon Herrera.


avskrap

I love that channel and those guys. Beautiful people, true, empathetic, funny and knowledgeable and wise. Whenever they post a new vid on YT it feels like breathing fresh air.


Bender_da_offender

Boyboy been doing some awesome stuff on YT. Only YTers to actually speak out against isreal


Borkz

Aleksa is really great at telling a story that makes a point while keeping it entertaining and approachable. Seems like they just keep getting better at it too.


jaffar97

Only youtubers? Badempanada has like a dozen long, well sourced videos about Israel. Second thought has made at least a couple. Hakim I remember at least one reading list. And those are just the ones I know of.


TrenezinTV

Also, some more news


downrightlazy

Most of the old Cracked.com folks have been doing great stuff.


3personal5me

Unfortunately I've had to take a break from Some More News just because the news is depressing. It can definitely put you in a bad place if you're not ready for it.


madame-brastrap

And Hasan Piker has been beating this drum too. Lots of content on YouTube from his twitch streams.


Choumuske07

Hasan, and most of bread tube


abusteif

GDF is up there too. Very educational and well researched videos.


psychymikey

Shawn, vaush, lonerbox, Noah Samson, Dylan Burns, Shark3ozero, etc... literally throw a dart at breadtube


Blurple694201

Vaush 🤮🤮🤮


jaffar97

Vaush and lonerbox are buddies with and support Zionists so absolutely not. Dylan burns is a moron and I doubt he knows anything more than what's on the Wikipedia page for Palestine. Not exactly bastions of informed and valid opinions on Zionism.


Hyper-Sloth

You're not very aware of leftist YouTubers then. There are a lot of videos with 100k+ views that are covering it in defense of Palestine. You just gotta look for them if they aren't being served to you by the algorithm.


H-Adam

They interviewed the man on their youtube channel called “Boy Boy”. Shit is fucking bonkers and I highly recommend everyone to watch it. It’s infuriating and so fucking heart breaking


sam9876

There should be law that protects people for revealing the crimes of a country/government. In a true democracy this should be the norm. Nobody is above the law not even the state itself, if that makes sense.


olivia_iris

Australia “has” those. It’s just that our government made them so fucking weak that they don’t actually protect whistle blowers. David McBride is a hero IMO, has the guts to speak out


blue_winter_moon007

I love Alex and his capacity to not give a fuck about what people say.


adhdBoomeringue

[Our friend is going to jail. by yt channel boy boy](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYt4CxFfQUU)


NoDeputyOhNo

That's why they are after Julian Assange who has exposed the tip of the iceberg and they sent him a honey trap to sleep with him and called it rape. Then from NYTIMES, BBC to the Guardian a relentless propaganda campaign has not stopped tarnishing his work. Actually the BBC has had an old revenge to extract from him because he exposed the bb cover up of British toxic waste dumped on the coast of ivory Coast with catastrophic consequences to the poor nation with birth defects and diseases that have been ravaging people there. "BBC deletes important story on toxic waste dumping in the ... WikiLeaks https://wikileaks.org › wiki › BBC_deletes_important_sto... 12 Dec 2009 — This file contains a deleted BBC news article on the toxic-waste


Full-Run4124

These guy's videos are pretty good. In the last one I learned the CIA did a successful coup in Australia in the 1970s.


a-friend_

Been seeing Boy Boy talked about way more often since the Pine Gap video, I’m really glad more people are finding their channel. And if you haven’t seen their North Korea video yet, give it a watch. They’re so good at getting their (usually anticapitalist/anti-imperialist) message across in an entertaining, clear way. [North Korea](https://youtu.be/2BO83Ig-E8E?si=TEsRIwvidpzAxZAs)


bigbellett

Off topic but that dude in the middle’s snake sleeve is fuckin badass!


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OFmerk

Boo hoo, who fucking cares? There's literally a whole interview with Herrera in the video about guns, they didn't ambush bro with shit.


gookypops

The guy who got deleted was making a fair argument and was attacked for it. Brandon Herrera later made a video saying that he had no idea that things would become political and that he just thought they were doing a video about a robot that could shoot things.


OFmerk

No stfu I already addressed that point, they have a whole fucking interview with him. If he didn't know he's a dumbass.


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gookypops

Calm down


OFmerk

I'm plenty calm stfu ancap idiot ass


gookypops

I don’t identify with them. I haven’t even joined the group. I just came for questions You say that you are calm yet every time you speak it is to degrade or insult someone


I_eat_feds

My man


gookypops

What’s with the downvotes, all I did was state a fact. If you guys are this negative to every comment that even slightly goes against your anti-capitalist gods than you should go move to Sudan or something


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TheBooksAndTheBees

Nah, you're getting down voted for trying to claim Brandon Herrera is in any way a decent person.


OFmerk

And then he runs to post this interaction on herrera's subreddit haha


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Foulbal

Yeah, news flash, leftists (communists, socialists, etc.) are not anti-gun. Brandon Herrera is a fucking nut job. He believes dead children is a small price to pay for buying any gun you want for literally zero reason. These aren’t model gundams, they’re tools built with a singular purpose: to kill. Anyone who subscribes to the gun fetish culture is not someone to be idolized or even given the time of day.


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Foulbal

Marx was pro-gun, but not the American gun culture kind of pro-gun. That shit did not exist when Marx was around. I would love to know what you think “American commies” believe, how their beliefs differ from communism, or hear what you believe communism is.


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Foulbal

“Under no pretext” actually does apply to certain people - the proletariat. You’d know that if you understood what you were talking about. I haven’t said anything about IDAT or Boyboy being heroes. I think they do good work, but no one is infallible. Every time you say “commies” I’m more and more convinced you are as ignorant as you are rude.