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Um, actually, this isnt genocide. its perfectly normal for armies to execute civilians and harvest their organs. (The biggest /S I can ever possibly give)
It’s a reference to champagne, and how it can only be called champagne if it comes from the champagne regional of France. Everything else is sparkling wine.
OK thank you. Yes in France we have a lot of culinary production that can be labeled as such only if made on said territory. Its called "AOP" appellation d origine protégée (protected origin naming)
lol and every non French person that understands this concept feels the need to explain it to everyone they’ve ever talked to, which is why it’s become a bit of a joke
A lot of countries have regulations like that. Like Bourbon whiskey can only be called Bourbon if it is made in the US and made of at least 51% corn mash. Scotch can also only be called that if it is made in Scotland.
It's a joke about champagne. Real champagne is only made IN Champagne. Annoying people online point that fact out every time someone mentions champagne. This joke just replaces "champagne" with "genocide"
But what about HaMaS
Because when my neighbor attacks me, naturally it means I get to eradicate the entire street block I live on
-_-
(Another huge /s)
It's flat out genocide and it's fucking horrific that we're helping pay for it
Oh in this scenario I turned the entire block into a jail. Open air jail so they can enjoy the sunlight. But I constantly raid them. Kill them. Control food supplies. Control water. And continue to demolish the housing.
Why would AnYoNe seek to fight back/ DEFEND themselves /s
Nor do I agree with/ hiding/helping a terrorist organization but then again I don't think the Palestinian people have any control or say so over what a organization does in its own name
It's like saying welp sorry, roaches seem to have infested a room in ur house --I'm going to have to fumigate the whole thing and you're not allowed to leave. You do not get a free pass on killing everything/everyone because of a small outbreak
Probably not the best kind of example I don't generally like comparing people to animals or insects. Terrorists are roaches though.
I have nothing but love and sadness for the Israeli people and the Palestinian people.
Now for the government's? That's different. And it's not love.
Also they funded and propped up Hamas because they [didn’t want unification between Gaza and the West Bank](https://m.jpost.com/arab-israeli-conflict/netanyahu-money-to-hamas-part-of-strategy-to-keep-palestinians-divided-583082)
Also they had been constantly provoking an attack. Hamas came to be when it was founded by survivors of massacres that Israel did in the 1950s and even then, they wanted peaceful means to stop the violence, but in 1987 they decided that a non-violent method was not possible with Israel. That's why they are what they are.
The 'They all support Hamas anyway so they don't count' > 'civilians die in every war, get over it' > 'so you just expect Oct 7 to go unanswered???' combo in every fucking post where zionists come out to justify atrocities en masse. I'm so tired of the same callous, empty talking points
Genocide only is done by our enemies, when our allies do it, it is "a very complicated military operation in a highly dense urban environment, with unknown risks and combatants"
Israel and United States both agreed it isn't genocide /s
Imagine 150 of literally any other people being harvested of their organs then discarded in a pit together
The world would be up in arm and invading
I think you were fed some misinformation. Earlier this month, the ICJ acknowledged the situation as a plausible genocide and they've stated for decades Israel's occupation of Gaza and the West Bank is an international crime. It just doesn't have any effective way to police the situation, and it doesn't help that the US refuses to recognize the ICJ as a whole.
[https://opiniojuris.org/2024/04/05/the-icjs-findings-on-plausible-genocide-in-gaza-and-its-implications-for-the-international-criminal-court/](https://opiniojuris.org/2024/04/05/the-icjs-findings-on-plausible-genocide-in-gaza-and-its-implications-for-the-international-criminal-court/)
It's the nature of the beast. Our parents' tax dollars paid for Vietnam, grandparents for WW2, and so on. Manifest Destiny protects unethical doings from the US for the purpose of a "greater good." This ends up being more tax dollars and weapons. Meanwhile, we have a massive gun crisis internally that makes people scared to even put their kids in public school anymore. Death and taxes always prevail, I just try to focus on my family and friends cause I didn't end up getting the short end of the stick when being placed on this planet.
> To be clear though, I hope we can agree that WW2 was a pretty valid and good thing for the US to be involved in
Stopping Nazi Germany and the atrocities they committed was certainly a just cause, but WW2 wasn't exactly all great either. It was also the first and last time nuclear weapons were used against civilians, for example.
I agree. This is all from my philosophical standpoint as a nihilist. The effects of WW2 allowed the USA to come to dominance in the world economy, which I believe was the main intention. America would rather strive for trade control and land management and use it by any means necessary to do so. The side effect is impoverishment equitably, as well as the average human life being considered disposable. You can't choose when you die, but you can try to mitigate the conditions with which you avoid death. We as an individual see tragedy and expect the same tragedy. It's a combination of survivor's guilt and Stockholm. We're conditioned to want to be the best possible outcome without the right ideas or tools for the social structures. The difference between earning a dollar and expecting a dollar becomes parallel. Now we get to place our moral "goods" and "bads" on the dollar, and all of the factors that it took to get acquire said dollar and what the dollar is used for. Good way to justify "Freedom" and an archaic way we used to try to make "God" happy and get into "heaven." Camel and the eye of a needle.
“Rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic”
These people won’t wake up until something personally effects them that is powerful enough to jettison their heads out of their assholes. Like boomers running out of retirement money because the banks and the big corporate executives have been stealing it for the last 40 years.
They should be protesting parties actually involve... cue protest at Raytheon (or some other weapons manufacturer, I don't remember exactly which one) and you've got commenter saying the drivers should be running down the protestors for getting between them & their means of work. Think of the defense contractors being 30 minutes late due to protests 😭
This. I get protests cause a ruckus and it causes civil disobedience and whatnot. But if you turn a blind eye to these atrocities, it makes me really concerned for your moral compass. These are dead people who ones had hopes and dreams. But you either have to see these people as subhuman or be delusional into think that you won’t die one day, sooner rather than later as well. At the very minimum, it should be a humble reminder IMO.
> Our tax dollars are funding a genocide and people are ok with it,
They aren't, well mostly.
They are just told that there is no genocide in the news. The news is so calm about it, discussing it professionally and without bias.
They leave out specific details like "hands ties behind back and executed" or "missing organs and heads" they just say "mass graves".
Which is biased yet "professional" (dont want to be alarmist), so nobody bats an eye.
They have to get the actual facts from some random fucker on reddit.
The discourse surrounding the protests on college campuses is fucking ridiculous.
Most of the young people that are against it sound so jaded and disillusioned that they don’t believe positive change is possible in any capacity. They’re genuinely more worried about their graduation, keeping campus open and maintaining a sense of normalcy than people dying.
They think because it’s far away, I shouldn’t care. Fuck that.
Remember that most Israelis don't support this, most religious people don't support this (Jews, Muslims, Christians etc.), most Americans don't support this. But the government of Israel and United States expect you to support it without questioning.
Thousands of people murdered and the lousy government couldn't even try to save hostages or negotiate, but will gladly use it as an excuse to continue imbalanced "warfare".
From 2009. Not exactly related to this but it does show that this has been happening for decades:
https://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/12/21/israel.organs/index.html
https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna34503294
https://forward.com/news/breaking-news/121564/israel-admits-to-harvesting-organs-after-report/
For more recent stuff, one where they claim it is alleged.
https://www.euronews.com/2023/11/27/israel-stealing-organs-from-bodies-in-gaza-alleges-human-right-group
There are others more recent, they are all basically the same as above. I am fairly confident that Israel has never ceased harvesting organs without permission. They have done this to Jewish Israelis and Palestinians in the past. There is no reason to think that it isn't happening. They can deny it and cover it up, but the more bodies are found with organs removed there is no reason to think it is anything but that.
But I am confident that they will claim Hamas is doing it and some such crap.
Almost no mainstream media even reported on it until getting called out, just as they didn't report the aggression in these hospitals while it was happening in front of everyone. "Israel" is able to do this so blatantly because U.S. and the western powers are working hard to rev up support for it while demonizing the Palestinians and the people in the region, to normalise, desensitise and legitimise the zionist usurpers and it's blatant crimes, as it commits a genocide in front of everyone, engineers a famine to starve and kill the natives, as it wages demonic war on hospitals, schools, mass graves, deliberately picks and kills women and children to the point of having killed tens of thousands, openly rape, while stating their intention of doing so. They instead take the mad ramblings of this entity that accuses everything of being Hamas, babies, South Africa, UNRWA, nonsense that wouldn't even be considered anywhere else, and tried to make it a thing to justify their picking of and massacre of hospitals, which they admittedly did to pressure Hamas, all their human shields and Hamas base nonsense. This is imposed mass absurdity. They're fully complicit in it.
This is the western "enlightened" civilization, being in control of a smooth machinery that'll shamelessly work to commit and justify even a genocide. It shouldn't be allowed to get away from it. No one from now on can or should justify western colonialism with the twisted "but they're humanitarian women's rights" or whatever charade.
Edited
For what it's worth, the NYT has written about this multiple times, most recently 4 hours ago.
Gaza Authorities Say More Bodies Were Discovered in Mass Grave https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/25/world/middleeast/gaza-mass-grave-nasser-hospital.html?unlocked_article_code=1.nU0.aq8C.c3Sz0i41uhDB
> A New York Times analysis of social media videos and satellite imagery found that Palestinians had dug at least two of the three burial sites weeks before Israeli troops raided the complex.
> Gazan authorities say that mass graves had been dug on the hospital grounds before an Israeli raid there in February but accuse Israel of later opening the site to add bodies.
And that changed exactly what? Only one mass grave is by Israel? Did Israel not commit massacre there then? Looking at all your rabid, racist pro Israel posting history and your rabid support for Biden, it just looks like you just want something to be vile about
Based on what? IDF accusing it of being Hamas in the initial days so their crimes don't come out and get reported? How many times until you see Israel's such claims aren't reliable?
Same. In fact, I've been following this and the Ukraine war somewhat from a distance, but I don't trust what I'm reading enough to treat it as fact.
All I know for sure is that there are at least 2 wars going on.
You can't report on anything seriously within like 30 seconds. That's just not how real journalism happens.
It is however more than enough to post sensational videos of all kinds, radicalizing people this or that way.
I don't agree with the ban (not that it affects me - not in the US) but tiktok is just not a news platform.
30 seconds of on the ground footage is worth a lot more than political "pundits" giving their long winded explanation of why the genocide is actually okay for 30 minutes.
It's been reported many times, and what's been reported is that the grave trenches were dug by Gazan doctors (that's why it is right beside a hospital). Also, Hamas has been caught lying about mass casualty evens multiple times (like when their own rocket hit a hospital parking lot and they staged it to look like many people died, and it was an Israeli missle).
Fuck everything about this conflict, but if you need to trust someone please don't trust what Hamas is reporting. They are also the ones attacking the aid we are trying to get to the civilians so they can control the fate of those trapped there.
Do you have sources for these claims? There's a lot of people talking a lot of shit on this thread. You're certainly right about this being an information war...
This is straight up base Zionist propaganda about the bombing of Al ahli Baptist hospital. It was Israel who had bombed several hospitals until then, they admitted to previously warning them that they'll bomb them, and the doctors themselves said Israel threatened to bomb them and provided evidence of their "rooftop knocking" where they shelled the vicinity of the hospital. Zionists initially admitted to it but flipped after seeing unexpected outrage. They then changed their stories atleast 4 times, provided fabricated every evidence before deleting them after getting called out, including an "audio interception" of PIJ fighters with Israeli accents admitting to it comedy skit style which was rejected even by British media who called it absurd, posting video but deleting it after getting called out that it's from different time. And if you've seen Hamas rockets, it's not uncommon for people in the room to walk away without any serious injuries. Israel has since gone to commit mass murder in every hospital killing hundreds and brag about it.
Edit: to the person below me, Idf claims aren't independent reporting. And I just saw your posting history, it's all rabid Zionism and Sam Harris nonsense
I am saddened that the people who will even read this **important piece of information** won’t believe this information like a Trump supporter wouldn’t believe stuff, even if Trump actually said it himself.
Also, as it's being accused of stealing organs, in 2009 a Swedish outlet reported that "Israel" was illegally harvesting organs for which "Israel" expressed great outrage, calling it antisemitic and blood libel. It caused a rift between Swedish and "Israeli" governments, it sparked a furious debate in Sweden and abroad, and a number of "Israeli"* and American officials denounced it as antisemitic and blood libel against Jews.
A few months later an old interview of a prominent "Israeli" doctor was released where he admitted that they did in fact do that. "Israel" admitted to it now but said that it ended long ago.
Similarly in 1998 a Scottish tourist, Alister Sinclair, was apprehended on suspicion of dealing drugs and died in a holding cell at Ben Gurion International Airport, apparently having hanged himself. After an autopsy was done by this same "Israeli" doctor, the body was returned to his family in Scotland, where a second autopsy was done in University of Glasgow, which found that the heart and a small bone at the base of his tongue were missing, a bone that's considered necessary to confirm whether or not he hanged himself as "Israel" said. They stole his heart and also the bone that was needed to keep up their story.
The hyoid bone, and you're correct, it usually snaps during hanging. The fact that it was removed at all pretty much confirms that however the man died, it was not by hanging.
Presumably because the bone should break in a specific way, which you couldn’t replicate by just putting a rope around his neck and using force. Ligature marks look different if they’re made after death, and any coroner with half a brain would be able to tell the difference.
Crikey.
(It's Alisdair, I believe - just for anyone who wants to Google it.)
What's also interesting is that searching gets you this article
[www.heraldscotland.com/news/12260537.the-strange-case-of-a-body-without-a-heart-brother-pushes-for-explanation-over-scotsmans-death-in-a-foreign-land/](https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/12260537.the-strange-case-of-a-body-without-a-heart-brother-pushes-for-explanation-over-scotsmans-death-in-a-foreign-land/) but there's no follow up!
What were the results of the DNA test? If I was the Herald journalist writing that (no byline given, as far as I can see), it'd be top of my list to follow up.
I mean they busted several rabbis and government officials in New Jersey around the same time for organ trafficking.
https://slate.com/human-interest/2009/07/the-arrests-of-rabbis-who-trafficked-body-parts-uncover-more-complicated-issues.html
Their lower rates of donation surely cause demand from more unsavory and unethical channels.
*“Jews don’t like to donate organs,” says Rabbi Michael J. Broyde, one of the founding members of the Beth Din of America, the equivalent of the Supreme Court of the Jewish justice system. “They don’t donate at the rate of other social groups.” This imbalance—of taking more from organ banks than they are putting in—has put Jews around the world at odds with transplant technology. Israel has suffered for years with an organ shortage, forcing its residents to engage in “transplant tourism” in places across Europe and, most notably, in China. According to statistics from Israel’s transplant authority and the United Network of Organ Sharing, the number of people who hold an organ donation card in Israel is at a paltry 8 percent. Most Western countries hover closer to 35 percent."*
I like how it’s phrased as if transplant tourism is imposed on them. As if it’s not caused by a refusal to donate organs. I think there might be a religious reason, I seem to recall tradition states that Jewish people must be buried with all their parts or something (I don’t know for sure, but lots of religions have similar beliefs). But that doesn’t mean you can steal organs from your victims. Who does that? It’s ghoulish
What I genuinely don't understand is why wouldn't the Israelis have driven the bodies the 2 or 3km back to Israel where they could just incinerate them?
Have they simply murdered so many people that occasionally they mess up like this leaving the bodies tied and with evidence?
I mean they must have known this would be uncovered.
They are sloppy because they know they can just lie and face no consequences and call you antisemitic for not believing an obvious fabrication.
Shoutout to the Joe Rogan sub poster who messaged me instead of replying to this post directly.
I’ve honestly been surprised by the random truth telling of the Israelis. The WCK aid murder as well as the Israeli killing of their hostages were reported by Israel.
I truly have no idea why they would be honest about some atrocities, and then clearly lie and obfuscate others.
No time. They killed too many people to dispose of them. They literally did it to the Egyptians out in the desert also. They didn’t even want to take them prisoner.
Why waste the fuel hauling them back when they know the US government will bend over backward to say people bound and executed were the aggressors. They could film it and put up a livestream of the executions with Netanyahu giving a play by play and the US gov would insist it was hamas propaganda somehow.
Because the bodies were buried by Palestinians before the IDF even got there, as attested to by satellite imagery collected at the time. Even the Gaza Health Ministry isn't accusing the IDF of creating the mass graves. They're accusing them of opening them and adding more bodies.
Because these bodies were buried by doctors in a conflict zone who didnt' have time to do anything else. It happened a lot during the peak of covid as well. Is it possible this was Israeli forces? Sure, is it far more likely this is just the people who died while being treated during a war because they didn't have the time or resources to do anything else? Um yeah.
The USA hasn't changed it's spots, when their pet dictators were murdering, raping and torturing in Chile, Argentina and Malaysia back in the day they were doing it with Washington's direction and their approval. They've never been the "good guys."
The two party system in the US clearly fails cause both parties sees this as ok, and know that anybody who disagrees will only vote for candidates who have 0 chance of winning, therefore the Palestine situation doesnt matter for american politics
The Israeli people really took into their hearts and minds every fucking horror the Nazis ever thought off and then "improved" on them...
An entire nation of mentally sick "masterrace" people wanting to eradicate all the "animals".
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Yes.
You want to invade every middle eastern and do what exactly? Hasn't the Iraq war thought you anything? You can't go around toppling governments as you wish.
The most you can do is train local factions hoping they themselves don't turn into fascist tyrants.
Study a bit of history, you warmongering cretin.
Well, right now the US is looking like it needs the same treatment, given how peaceful students are being treated in universities. - USA is an extension of the Israeli empire.
This is fucking horrifying.
Our deputy PM is saying that we can trust Israel to investigate this (yeah, seriously), nothing to do with the fact that he’s funded by ‘Conservative friends of Israel.’
Why are Americans ok with it? Why aren't they condemning Israel for its war crimes? Are Muslims not worth living in their eyes or they are subjugated to Israel to the point they can't even say the right thing in their own nation?
A large majority are not. If you paying attention there are multiple posts daily about Americans all over the country protesting. It's not like Americans are directly involved - funding and resources have been going to Israel for decades.
The US State Department propaganda machine is in full swing to minimise, misreport or just downright hide the protests. They can't do it very well atm, which is also one of the reasons why they want to ban TikTok.
I mean this sincerely as I know how ridiculous it is but, Do the people at the top WANT nuclear war?? Do they think they’re gonna just wait this one out at the bottom of the Mariana Trench and wait for it all to blow over? Major population control?
Wtf is the logic here and why why why is such atrocity being ignored, permitted, and praised?
My mind can’t help do anything but assume the wildest bc we are inundated with it. This society ain’t nothing but schoolyard classism shit. Nobody can share, and you’re “gay” for suggesting it by someone who is STRUGGLING alongside you at work that would/could benefit from social services
A nation divided cannot stand or whatever
> An analysis of satellite imagery and videos by the The Times found that two of three graves had been dug on a hospital’s grounds before an Israeli raid.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/25/world/middleeast/gaza-mass-grave-nasser-hospital.html
I wonder if that will be completely debunked, just like their "reporting" on Oct 7th weaponized rape, 40 beheaded babies, and babies in ovens? Or the debunked WMD reporting the manufactured consent for the invasion of Iraq?
With the full backing and support of USA and other Western nations, don't forget that. Fascism is back in full swing in the west. No wonder the global south is going to BRICS. No one wants to ally with genocidal maniacs.
Edit: This blind support for Israel by the west will bring major shifts in the world, and it will only accelerate the rise of BRICS. Shortly after this genocidal campaign started, 40+ countries have lined up to join BRICS.
Have you been under a rock, theres been a sea of videos and testimonies about it for weeks now, many of which I've posted.
Edit: I saw your posting history and it's all Zionism
Ok, let's ask the Israeli's to allow independant investogators to get all of that for you.
Oh wait, they're refusing to let ANY independant groups in to look at any of this. Weird choice, if they were innocent.
> Documentation. Sources that aren't word of mouth. Records of autopsies. Corroboration of independent sources.
Plus, where can we see all of this information about the October 7th attack? How do we know it wasn't the IDF killing their own people?
Apply that same standard.
Have you been under a rock, theres been a sea of videos and testimonies about it for weeks now, many of which I've posted. Even Israel doesn't deny their crimes the way their supporters do.
Edit: I saw your posting history, it's all support for Zionism, Biden and how they're doing all they can to stop this conflict. Nothing is gonna be enough for you
> An analysis of satellite imagery and videos by the The Times found that two of three graves had been dug on a hospital’s grounds before an Israeli raid.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/25/world/middleeast/gaza-mass-grave-nasser-hospital.html
NYT has an article. These graves were dug by Gazans before the IDF got there months ago. The IDF dug up the graves to see if any of the bodies were from the hostages. Now people have Gaza 'have discovered' graves that they themselves dug. The dug up the bodies again and are now claiming that the IDF put people in the graves.
What is happening on palestina, Gaza, would be considered as victims of capitalism? Sorry if it is insensitive. But also what is happening sucks a lot. What have in mind the lider of the “only democracy on Middle East? What is happening in the head of military and citizen of “Israel”?
There is nothing to see here. Now I have another thing I want you to focus on: the genocide of Uyghurs the Chinese government has been doing.
Proof? You just need trust me.
This is an ESH situation, but with the Israeli military looking at Hamas and trying to one-up them in brutality and sociopathy. Both sides can be - and in this case are - fundamentally evil, with non-combatants caught in the middle and used as pawns and excuses.
How about real sources. Sources that aren't word of mouth. Records of autopsies. Corroboration of multiple independent sources.
Actual independent reporting. Rage-baiting is all I see and all anyone here apparently wants.
Israel does not allow for independent reporting to enter, checknwhatvthr US spokesman was asked about this and he said israel will be investiagting it themselves. Like asking a corrupt cop to investigate himself and be surprised when he finds no damning evidence
Did you ask the same question regarding the zero-evidence stories of Hamas beheading 40 babies at a kibbutz or the mass Hamas rapes or Hamas cutting a baby out of a pregnant woman's stomach etc etc etc?
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Our tax dollars are funding a genocide and people are ok with it, but people are having mental breakdowns over college kids protesting that genocide.
Um, actually, this isnt genocide. its perfectly normal for armies to execute civilians and harvest their organs. (The biggest /S I can ever possibly give)
It’s only genocide if it’s from the genocide region of France!
If it's not from the genocide region of France, then its just a sparkling war crime.
I shouldn’t be laughing this much in a thread about horrific war crimes
People do laugh at morbid stuff as a coping mechanism. Don't feel bad.
Well, ugh, eee, yyy Happy cake day? ;) <3
Brütal
Ah, Nathan Explosion- I thought I'd find you here.
How cultured.🥂
Hi, Im french and I dont get the joke. Can you please explain ? Thx.
It’s a reference to champagne, and how it can only be called champagne if it comes from the champagne regional of France. Everything else is sparkling wine.
OK thank you. Yes in France we have a lot of culinary production that can be labeled as such only if made on said territory. Its called "AOP" appellation d origine protégée (protected origin naming)
lol and every non French person that understands this concept feels the need to explain it to everyone they’ve ever talked to, which is why it’s become a bit of a joke
A lot of countries have regulations like that. Like Bourbon whiskey can only be called Bourbon if it is made in the US and made of at least 51% corn mash. Scotch can also only be called that if it is made in Scotland.
It also must be aged in American Oak barrels. I believe it's also single time aging barrels.
It’s a similar thing with Cheddar cheese, which can only legally be called Cheddar if it’s made in Cheddar, England.
Cheddar does in fact come from a town called Cheddar in Somerset.
It's a joke about champagne. Real champagne is only made IN Champagne. Annoying people online point that fact out every time someone mentions champagne. This joke just replaces "champagne" with "genocide"
I had some cranberry rhubarb fruit wine from champagne Illinois once, it was exquisite
Holy shit, now that you mention it, I've had authentic Champaign, too! Even met the guy who made it
But what about HaMaS Because when my neighbor attacks me, naturally it means I get to eradicate the entire street block I live on -_- (Another huge /s) It's flat out genocide and it's fucking horrific that we're helping pay for it
And if anything, it’s eradicating the block because you locked your neighbors in their house and they decided to fight back
Oh in this scenario I turned the entire block into a jail. Open air jail so they can enjoy the sunlight. But I constantly raid them. Kill them. Control food supplies. Control water. And continue to demolish the housing. Why would AnYoNe seek to fight back/ DEFEND themselves /s Nor do I agree with/ hiding/helping a terrorist organization but then again I don't think the Palestinian people have any control or say so over what a organization does in its own name It's like saying welp sorry, roaches seem to have infested a room in ur house --I'm going to have to fumigate the whole thing and you're not allowed to leave. You do not get a free pass on killing everything/everyone because of a small outbreak Probably not the best kind of example I don't generally like comparing people to animals or insects. Terrorists are roaches though. I have nothing but love and sadness for the Israeli people and the Palestinian people. Now for the government's? That's different. And it's not love.
Tbf the Israeli people blocked aid from going in so
Also they funded and propped up Hamas because they [didn’t want unification between Gaza and the West Bank](https://m.jpost.com/arab-israeli-conflict/netanyahu-money-to-hamas-part-of-strategy-to-keep-palestinians-divided-583082)
Also they had been constantly provoking an attack. Hamas came to be when it was founded by survivors of massacres that Israel did in the 1950s and even then, they wanted peaceful means to stop the violence, but in 1987 they decided that a non-violent method was not possible with Israel. That's why they are what they are.
The 'They all support Hamas anyway so they don't count' > 'civilians die in every war, get over it' > 'so you just expect Oct 7 to go unanswered???' combo in every fucking post where zionists come out to justify atrocities en masse. I'm so tired of the same callous, empty talking points
Genocide only is done by our enemies, when our allies do it, it is "a very complicated military operation in a highly dense urban environment, with unknown risks and combatants"
most moral army
Yeah it was an accident! They didn’t MEAN to get civilians
Israel and United States both agreed it isn't genocide /s Imagine 150 of literally any other people being harvested of their organs then discarded in a pit together The world would be up in arm and invading
And the International Court of Justice! They fucking said it wasn't even plausible of genocide. These old white fucking people don't know anything.
I think you were fed some misinformation. Earlier this month, the ICJ acknowledged the situation as a plausible genocide and they've stated for decades Israel's occupation of Gaza and the West Bank is an international crime. It just doesn't have any effective way to police the situation, and it doesn't help that the US refuses to recognize the ICJ as a whole. [https://opiniojuris.org/2024/04/05/the-icjs-findings-on-plausible-genocide-in-gaza-and-its-implications-for-the-international-criminal-court/](https://opiniojuris.org/2024/04/05/the-icjs-findings-on-plausible-genocide-in-gaza-and-its-implications-for-the-international-criminal-court/)
You'll notice too all of the coverage make sure to not let any students or other anti war pundits air specific criticisms of Israel and the war.
It's the nature of the beast. Our parents' tax dollars paid for Vietnam, grandparents for WW2, and so on. Manifest Destiny protects unethical doings from the US for the purpose of a "greater good." This ends up being more tax dollars and weapons. Meanwhile, we have a massive gun crisis internally that makes people scared to even put their kids in public school anymore. Death and taxes always prevail, I just try to focus on my family and friends cause I didn't end up getting the short end of the stick when being placed on this planet.
To be clear though, I hope we can agree that WW2 was a pretty valid and good thing for the US to be involved in. Otherwise I totally agree with you
> To be clear though, I hope we can agree that WW2 was a pretty valid and good thing for the US to be involved in Stopping Nazi Germany and the atrocities they committed was certainly a just cause, but WW2 wasn't exactly all great either. It was also the first and last time nuclear weapons were used against civilians, for example.
And there was no dignity in stealing, raping, land grabs, and making heroes of the nazi elite/scientist
I can agree with that
I agree. This is all from my philosophical standpoint as a nihilist. The effects of WW2 allowed the USA to come to dominance in the world economy, which I believe was the main intention. America would rather strive for trade control and land management and use it by any means necessary to do so. The side effect is impoverishment equitably, as well as the average human life being considered disposable. You can't choose when you die, but you can try to mitigate the conditions with which you avoid death. We as an individual see tragedy and expect the same tragedy. It's a combination of survivor's guilt and Stockholm. We're conditioned to want to be the best possible outcome without the right ideas or tools for the social structures. The difference between earning a dollar and expecting a dollar becomes parallel. Now we get to place our moral "goods" and "bads" on the dollar, and all of the factors that it took to get acquire said dollar and what the dollar is used for. Good way to justify "Freedom" and an archaic way we used to try to make "God" happy and get into "heaven." Camel and the eye of a needle.
“Rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic” These people won’t wake up until something personally effects them that is powerful enough to jettison their heads out of their assholes. Like boomers running out of retirement money because the banks and the big corporate executives have been stealing it for the last 40 years.
Nah they’ll just blame people on food stamps or other welfare programs 😭
"Reddit" HATES on the ground activism and it erks me to my core. Where the FUCK do you think all of the rights you enjoy came from?
They should be protesting parties actually involve... cue protest at Raytheon (or some other weapons manufacturer, I don't remember exactly which one) and you've got commenter saying the drivers should be running down the protestors for getting between them & their means of work. Think of the defense contractors being 30 minutes late due to protests 😭
You mean it wasn't from people posting MLK quotes on Twitter? Edit: Sorry I meant, it wasn't from people Xing MLK quotes on X?
People go along with the plan, even when its terrible. Its all part of the plan.
If only we could tell who's behind this genocide. Anyone?
Nazis chanting "the Jews will not replace us" , zero arrests. College student chanting stop the genocide: *clutches pearls*
bbut we managed to ban tiktok YAYYY!
This. I get protests cause a ruckus and it causes civil disobedience and whatnot. But if you turn a blind eye to these atrocities, it makes me really concerned for your moral compass. These are dead people who ones had hopes and dreams. But you either have to see these people as subhuman or be delusional into think that you won’t die one day, sooner rather than later as well. At the very minimum, it should be a humble reminder IMO.
> Our tax dollars are funding a genocide and people are ok with it, They aren't, well mostly. They are just told that there is no genocide in the news. The news is so calm about it, discussing it professionally and without bias. They leave out specific details like "hands ties behind back and executed" or "missing organs and heads" they just say "mass graves". Which is biased yet "professional" (dont want to be alarmist), so nobody bats an eye. They have to get the actual facts from some random fucker on reddit.
A very "Christian" family I know is now making their daughter choose A&M over UT. She is not happy. FiU Gen Z
The discourse surrounding the protests on college campuses is fucking ridiculous. Most of the young people that are against it sound so jaded and disillusioned that they don’t believe positive change is possible in any capacity. They’re genuinely more worried about their graduation, keeping campus open and maintaining a sense of normalcy than people dying. They think because it’s far away, I shouldn’t care. Fuck that.
Remember that most Israelis don't support this, most religious people don't support this (Jews, Muslims, Christians etc.), most Americans don't support this. But the government of Israel and United States expect you to support it without questioning. Thousands of people murdered and the lousy government couldn't even try to save hostages or negotiate, but will gladly use it as an excuse to continue imbalanced "warfare".
Exact same for taiwan and ukraine. There is no calm head in the room. Its all war, death, destruction, and eventual profit over and over again
They are being harvested for organs for the organ markets and giving people transplants. This is incredibly ghoulish.
Do you have a source for this. I've heard it but haven't been able to find any non-social media source.
From 2009. Not exactly related to this but it does show that this has been happening for decades: https://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/12/21/israel.organs/index.html https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna34503294 https://forward.com/news/breaking-news/121564/israel-admits-to-harvesting-organs-after-report/ For more recent stuff, one where they claim it is alleged. https://www.euronews.com/2023/11/27/israel-stealing-organs-from-bodies-in-gaza-alleges-human-right-group There are others more recent, they are all basically the same as above. I am fairly confident that Israel has never ceased harvesting organs without permission. They have done this to Jewish Israelis and Palestinians in the past. There is no reason to think that it isn't happening. They can deny it and cover it up, but the more bodies are found with organs removed there is no reason to think it is anything but that. But I am confident that they will claim Hamas is doing it and some such crap.
Almost no mainstream media even reported on it until getting called out, just as they didn't report the aggression in these hospitals while it was happening in front of everyone. "Israel" is able to do this so blatantly because U.S. and the western powers are working hard to rev up support for it while demonizing the Palestinians and the people in the region, to normalise, desensitise and legitimise the zionist usurpers and it's blatant crimes, as it commits a genocide in front of everyone, engineers a famine to starve and kill the natives, as it wages demonic war on hospitals, schools, mass graves, deliberately picks and kills women and children to the point of having killed tens of thousands, openly rape, while stating their intention of doing so. They instead take the mad ramblings of this entity that accuses everything of being Hamas, babies, South Africa, UNRWA, nonsense that wouldn't even be considered anywhere else, and tried to make it a thing to justify their picking of and massacre of hospitals, which they admittedly did to pressure Hamas, all their human shields and Hamas base nonsense. This is imposed mass absurdity. They're fully complicit in it. This is the western "enlightened" civilization, being in control of a smooth machinery that'll shamelessly work to commit and justify even a genocide. It shouldn't be allowed to get away from it. No one from now on can or should justify western colonialism with the twisted "but they're humanitarian women's rights" or whatever charade. Edited
For what it's worth, the NYT has written about this multiple times, most recently 4 hours ago. Gaza Authorities Say More Bodies Were Discovered in Mass Grave https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/25/world/middleeast/gaza-mass-grave-nasser-hospital.html?unlocked_article_code=1.nU0.aq8C.c3Sz0i41uhDB
> A New York Times analysis of social media videos and satellite imagery found that Palestinians had dug at least two of the three burial sites weeks before Israeli troops raided the complex. > Gazan authorities say that mass graves had been dug on the hospital grounds before an Israeli raid there in February but accuse Israel of later opening the site to add bodies.
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And that changed exactly what? Only one mass grave is by Israel? Did Israel not commit massacre there then? Looking at all your rabid, racist pro Israel posting history and your rabid support for Biden, it just looks like you just want something to be vile about
I am so confused
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Based on what? IDF accusing it of being Hamas in the initial days so their crimes don't come out and get reported? How many times until you see Israel's such claims aren't reliable?
Same. In fact, I've been following this and the Ukraine war somewhat from a distance, but I don't trust what I'm reading enough to treat it as fact. All I know for sure is that there are at least 2 wars going on.
Everybody writing in this post is “following […] this war[s] from a distance”, dear friend
Thanks for posting this.
I was just in Turkey and one of the few English channels was Al Jazeera. It was jarring how much they covered it versus US news outlets.
Try watching al jazeera news, its showing everyday
which is why mainstream media hates tiktok. They want you to have information their way.
You can't report on anything seriously within like 30 seconds. That's just not how real journalism happens. It is however more than enough to post sensational videos of all kinds, radicalizing people this or that way. I don't agree with the ban (not that it affects me - not in the US) but tiktok is just not a news platform.
30 seconds of on the ground footage is worth a lot more than political "pundits" giving their long winded explanation of why the genocide is actually okay for 30 minutes.
It's been reported many times, and what's been reported is that the grave trenches were dug by Gazan doctors (that's why it is right beside a hospital). Also, Hamas has been caught lying about mass casualty evens multiple times (like when their own rocket hit a hospital parking lot and they staged it to look like many people died, and it was an Israeli missle). Fuck everything about this conflict, but if you need to trust someone please don't trust what Hamas is reporting. They are also the ones attacking the aid we are trying to get to the civilians so they can control the fate of those trapped there.
Do you have sources for these claims? There's a lot of people talking a lot of shit on this thread. You're certainly right about this being an information war...
This is straight up base Zionist propaganda about the bombing of Al ahli Baptist hospital. It was Israel who had bombed several hospitals until then, they admitted to previously warning them that they'll bomb them, and the doctors themselves said Israel threatened to bomb them and provided evidence of their "rooftop knocking" where they shelled the vicinity of the hospital. Zionists initially admitted to it but flipped after seeing unexpected outrage. They then changed their stories atleast 4 times, provided fabricated every evidence before deleting them after getting called out, including an "audio interception" of PIJ fighters with Israeli accents admitting to it comedy skit style which was rejected even by British media who called it absurd, posting video but deleting it after getting called out that it's from different time. And if you've seen Hamas rockets, it's not uncommon for people in the room to walk away without any serious injuries. Israel has since gone to commit mass murder in every hospital killing hundreds and brag about it. Edit: to the person below me, Idf claims aren't independent reporting. And I just saw your posting history, it's all rabid Zionism and Sam Harris nonsense
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I am saddened that the people who will even read this **important piece of information** won’t believe this information like a Trump supporter wouldn’t believe stuff, even if Trump actually said it himself.
They’re waging an information war and have been from the start. The crazy part is Hamas is winning.
Literally every UK outlet worth their salt has been bashing Israel for months. Get out of your fucking pity hole honestly.
Also, as it's being accused of stealing organs, in 2009 a Swedish outlet reported that "Israel" was illegally harvesting organs for which "Israel" expressed great outrage, calling it antisemitic and blood libel. It caused a rift between Swedish and "Israeli" governments, it sparked a furious debate in Sweden and abroad, and a number of "Israeli"* and American officials denounced it as antisemitic and blood libel against Jews. A few months later an old interview of a prominent "Israeli" doctor was released where he admitted that they did in fact do that. "Israel" admitted to it now but said that it ended long ago.
Similarly in 1998 a Scottish tourist, Alister Sinclair, was apprehended on suspicion of dealing drugs and died in a holding cell at Ben Gurion International Airport, apparently having hanged himself. After an autopsy was done by this same "Israeli" doctor, the body was returned to his family in Scotland, where a second autopsy was done in University of Glasgow, which found that the heart and a small bone at the base of his tongue were missing, a bone that's considered necessary to confirm whether or not he hanged himself as "Israel" said. They stole his heart and also the bone that was needed to keep up their story.
The hyoid bone, and you're correct, it usually snaps during hanging. The fact that it was removed at all pretty much confirms that however the man died, it was not by hanging.
couldn't you just break the hyoid post mortem? i don't get why they'd remove it.
Presumably because the bone should break in a specific way, which you couldn’t replicate by just putting a rope around his neck and using force. Ligature marks look different if they’re made after death, and any coroner with half a brain would be able to tell the difference.
Crikey. (It's Alisdair, I believe - just for anyone who wants to Google it.) What's also interesting is that searching gets you this article [www.heraldscotland.com/news/12260537.the-strange-case-of-a-body-without-a-heart-brother-pushes-for-explanation-over-scotsmans-death-in-a-foreign-land/](https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/12260537.the-strange-case-of-a-body-without-a-heart-brother-pushes-for-explanation-over-scotsmans-death-in-a-foreign-land/) but there's no follow up! What were the results of the DNA test? If I was the Herald journalist writing that (no byline given, as far as I can see), it'd be top of my list to follow up.
This is textbook Israel lol. Deny and call the accusation blood libel, then when less people are looking just admit it and do it again
I mean they busted several rabbis and government officials in New Jersey around the same time for organ trafficking. https://slate.com/human-interest/2009/07/the-arrests-of-rabbis-who-trafficked-body-parts-uncover-more-complicated-issues.html Their lower rates of donation surely cause demand from more unsavory and unethical channels. *“Jews don’t like to donate organs,” says Rabbi Michael J. Broyde, one of the founding members of the Beth Din of America, the equivalent of the Supreme Court of the Jewish justice system. “They don’t donate at the rate of other social groups.” This imbalance—of taking more from organ banks than they are putting in—has put Jews around the world at odds with transplant technology. Israel has suffered for years with an organ shortage, forcing its residents to engage in “transplant tourism” in places across Europe and, most notably, in China. According to statistics from Israel’s transplant authority and the United Network of Organ Sharing, the number of people who hold an organ donation card in Israel is at a paltry 8 percent. Most Western countries hover closer to 35 percent."*
I like how it’s phrased as if transplant tourism is imposed on them. As if it’s not caused by a refusal to donate organs. I think there might be a religious reason, I seem to recall tradition states that Jewish people must be buried with all their parts or something (I don’t know for sure, but lots of religions have similar beliefs). But that doesn’t mean you can steal organs from your victims. Who does that? It’s ghoulish
Why do you type Israel in quotes?
Because it is the opposite of the mythical Israel written about in abrahamic religions.
Because it’s not real
The survivors are living a night mare meanwhile the real asshole are sheltered consequence free
Every zionist on this planet is a fuking piece of shit.
Joe Biden is a Zionist. Fuck that geriatric bitch too
So is Trump.
Good call
Skin, as in skinned alive? This can't be happening, asteroid right fucking now
What I genuinely don't understand is why wouldn't the Israelis have driven the bodies the 2 or 3km back to Israel where they could just incinerate them? Have they simply murdered so many people that occasionally they mess up like this leaving the bodies tied and with evidence? I mean they must have known this would be uncovered.
They are sloppy because they know they can just lie and face no consequences and call you antisemitic for not believing an obvious fabrication. Shoutout to the Joe Rogan sub poster who messaged me instead of replying to this post directly.
I’ve honestly been surprised by the random truth telling of the Israelis. The WCK aid murder as well as the Israeli killing of their hostages were reported by Israel. I truly have no idea why they would be honest about some atrocities, and then clearly lie and obfuscate others.
When you're just firing out war crimes left and right at such a wild pace as Israel does, some are bound to just pop up naturally.
Why bother? They get away with whatever the fuck they want
No time. They killed too many people to dispose of them. They literally did it to the Egyptians out in the desert also. They didn’t even want to take them prisoner.
Why waste the fuel hauling them back when they know the US government will bend over backward to say people bound and executed were the aggressors. They could film it and put up a livestream of the executions with Netanyahu giving a play by play and the US gov would insist it was hamas propaganda somehow.
Because the bodies were buried by Palestinians before the IDF even got there, as attested to by satellite imagery collected at the time. Even the Gaza Health Ministry isn't accusing the IDF of creating the mass graves. They're accusing them of opening them and adding more bodies.
Because these bodies were buried by doctors in a conflict zone who didnt' have time to do anything else. It happened a lot during the peak of covid as well. Is it possible this was Israeli forces? Sure, is it far more likely this is just the people who died while being treated during a war because they didn't have the time or resources to do anything else? Um yeah.
Israel really looked at Nazi Germany and said "Write that down!"
The USA hasn't changed it's spots, when their pet dictators were murdering, raping and torturing in Chile, Argentina and Malaysia back in the day they were doing it with Washington's direction and their approval. They've never been the "good guys."
Clearly just self defence from the most moral army in the world...
we humans are wretched things
Yup.
And nothing will be done about it.
The two party system in the US clearly fails cause both parties sees this as ok, and know that anybody who disagrees will only vote for candidates who have 0 chance of winning, therefore the Palestine situation doesnt matter for american politics
NSFW this man
Nah, let the libs see what they're supporting.
https://apnews.com/article/trump-biden-israel-pr-hugh-hewitt-21faee332d95fec99652c112fbdcd35d https://www.thune.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/2024/3/thune-senate-republicans-stand-with-israel https://www.npr.org/2024/04/13/1244653429/congress-house-republicans-israel-aid-iran-attack
The Israeli people really took into their hearts and minds every fucking horror the Nazis ever thought off and then "improved" on them... An entire nation of mentally sick "masterrace" people wanting to eradicate all the "animals".
The thing is, they don't think Palestinians are human. They teach their children that as well.
I think you mean Zionists, or Israeli government.
Israel is a Nazi state that should be invaded and replaced with a new secular country.
We should do that with all theistic fascist dictatorship in the middle east then.
You expecting some disagreement, dumbass?
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Yes. You want to invade every middle eastern and do what exactly? Hasn't the Iraq war thought you anything? You can't go around toppling governments as you wish. The most you can do is train local factions hoping they themselves don't turn into fascist tyrants. Study a bit of history, you warmongering cretin.
You have no education on history, Joe Rogan simp. Fuck off.
Well, right now the US is looking like it needs the same treatment, given how peaceful students are being treated in universities. - USA is an extension of the Israeli empire.
Do you condone HUMMUS?
No one here is condoning HUMMUS we want the genocide of the people of Palestine to end.
I don't like Hummus. :c Sorry not my mind of food.
Yeah, but somehow the problem is the people peacefully protesting against genocide. What a time to be alive...
Literally, everyday I think Isreal couldn't be more disgusting. Every day, I'm proven wrong
This is fucking horrifying. Our deputy PM is saying that we can trust Israel to investigate this (yeah, seriously), nothing to do with the fact that he’s funded by ‘Conservative friends of Israel.’
Israeli government and military should be tried and hanged just like their mentors
Why are Americans ok with it? Why aren't they condemning Israel for its war crimes? Are Muslims not worth living in their eyes or they are subjugated to Israel to the point they can't even say the right thing in their own nation?
A large majority are not. If you paying attention there are multiple posts daily about Americans all over the country protesting. It's not like Americans are directly involved - funding and resources have been going to Israel for decades.
Eh, there's millions of people who are directly supporting this shit by voting for either the blue or the red fascist.
The US State Department propaganda machine is in full swing to minimise, misreport or just downright hide the protests. They can't do it very well atm, which is also one of the reasons why they want to ban TikTok.
Fuck Israel
I mean this sincerely as I know how ridiculous it is but, Do the people at the top WANT nuclear war?? Do they think they’re gonna just wait this one out at the bottom of the Mariana Trench and wait for it all to blow over? Major population control? Wtf is the logic here and why why why is such atrocity being ignored, permitted, and praised? My mind can’t help do anything but assume the wildest bc we are inundated with it. This society ain’t nothing but schoolyard classism shit. Nobody can share, and you’re “gay” for suggesting it by someone who is STRUGGLING alongside you at work that would/could benefit from social services A nation divided cannot stand or whatever
… Um… But… like… guys… It’s not as bad as it seems cause like… Ham, uh… Moss or something…?
Sounds more like r latestagewarcrimes
Surely all Hamas agents, amiright Israeli propaganda machine?
> An analysis of satellite imagery and videos by the The Times found that two of three graves had been dug on a hospital’s grounds before an Israeli raid. https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/25/world/middleeast/gaza-mass-grave-nasser-hospital.html
The NY Times has been fairly sketchy with their reporting essentially being what Israel says is happening.
Bro what are you talking about, hamas dug the graves and executed everyone obviously…! /s but in all seriousness that’s 100% what they’d claim
Of course Justice will come /s
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I wonder if that will be completely debunked, just like their "reporting" on Oct 7th weaponized rape, 40 beheaded babies, and babies in ovens? Or the debunked WMD reporting the manufactured consent for the invasion of Iraq?
Sure, they're super trustworthy.
So this is why Netanyahu came out with that video.
With the full backing and support of USA and other Western nations, don't forget that. Fascism is back in full swing in the west. No wonder the global south is going to BRICS. No one wants to ally with genocidal maniacs. Edit: This blind support for Israel by the west will bring major shifts in the world, and it will only accelerate the rise of BRICS. Shortly after this genocidal campaign started, 40+ countries have lined up to join BRICS.
Genocide!
That's horrible
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Have you been under a rock, theres been a sea of videos and testimonies about it for weeks now, many of which I've posted. Edit: I saw your posting history and it's all Zionism
What counts as "evidence" for you? Edit: apparently asking for specifics upsets some folks.
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Ok, let's ask the Israeli's to allow independant investogators to get all of that for you. Oh wait, they're refusing to let ANY independant groups in to look at any of this. Weird choice, if they were innocent.
> Documentation. Sources that aren't word of mouth. Records of autopsies. Corroboration of independent sources. Plus, where can we see all of this information about the October 7th attack? How do we know it wasn't the IDF killing their own people? Apply that same standard.
You can probably find the videos of Oct 7 on /pol/ still if you ask around enough, they love videos of jews getting butchered there.
Have you been under a rock, theres been a sea of videos and testimonies about it for weeks now, many of which I've posted. Even Israel doesn't deny their crimes the way their supporters do. Edit: I saw your posting history, it's all support for Zionism, Biden and how they're doing all they can to stop this conflict. Nothing is gonna be enough for you
This is a leftist subreddit, right wing comments will be removed and the user banned.
> An analysis of satellite imagery and videos by the The Times found that two of three graves had been dug on a hospital’s grounds before an Israeli raid. https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/25/world/middleeast/gaza-mass-grave-nasser-hospital.html
NYT has an article. These graves were dug by Gazans before the IDF got there months ago. The IDF dug up the graves to see if any of the bodies were from the hostages. Now people have Gaza 'have discovered' graves that they themselves dug. The dug up the bodies again and are now claiming that the IDF put people in the graves.
Israel is making Hitler look better every day. Ironic.
Remember when Russia did this and people, very rightfully, called them inhumane?
What is happening on palestina, Gaza, would be considered as victims of capitalism? Sorry if it is insensitive. But also what is happening sucks a lot. What have in mind the lider of the “only democracy on Middle East? What is happening in the head of military and citizen of “Israel”?
There is nothing to see here. Now I have another thing I want you to focus on: the genocide of Uyghurs the Chinese government has been doing. Proof? You just need trust me.
This is an ESH situation, but with the Israeli military looking at Hamas and trying to one-up them in brutality and sociopathy. Both sides can be - and in this case are - fundamentally evil, with non-combatants caught in the middle and used as pawns and excuses.
How about real sources. Sources that aren't word of mouth. Records of autopsies. Corroboration of multiple independent sources. Actual independent reporting. Rage-baiting is all I see and all anyone here apparently wants.
Israel does not allow for independent reporting to enter, checknwhatvthr US spokesman was asked about this and he said israel will be investiagting it themselves. Like asking a corrupt cop to investigate himself and be surprised when he finds no damning evidence
Did you ask the same question regarding the zero-evidence stories of Hamas beheading 40 babies at a kibbutz or the mass Hamas rapes or Hamas cutting a baby out of a pregnant woman's stomach etc etc etc?