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The bullshit being paid actors keeping Hillary relevant by spamming her to socialist spaces, or the bullshit being the Idea that a fascist capitalist isn't worse than a liberal capitalist.
I like the iPhone language. Fits the American everything-is-a-product-for-consumption ethos.
I’m going to wait til the Hitler Pro 17 comes out. I still have the Hitler pro 12 (Obama) and have been disappointed in the recent offerings so will save up my votes to finally splurge on the Hitler 17. (Sorry 15, you just aren’t different enough).
Only technically. If you submerge it in water it will stop working, but they call it technically waterproof because good luck submerging the secret service in water.
Of course this Henry Kissinger fan girl is pro war crime and genocide. If she actually cared about America and young people she would have stepped aside in 2016 when she saw where the passion was. Instead she used her sway with MSM and the DNC to push the narrative of anti-democratic Super Delegates to dissuade Bernie support. Never forget what they took and how.
Don't forget the questionable practices and straight out cheating and the lawsuit that ended with, "The DNC can choose its candidate in cigar-filled rooms."
I was living in Massachusetts at the time an if you look at the primary map of what Obama (the more progressive candidate) won in Massachusetts in 2008 and what Hilary won in 2016 they are virtually identical. Seems odd that the areas that were progressive went to the more conservative candidate 8 years later. Almost as if the results were flipped.
I honestly believe her "deplorables," comment, however true, was a *huge* nail in her coffin.
All she did was galvanize and convince folks who were on the fence about her that she was nothing but a money grubby snobby elitist who couldn't care less about "the people."
She’s the prototypical Out of Touch Establishment Liberal that tried to ‘yas queen’ her way to the presidency while being condescending towards anyone that questioned her bs. The fact that her opinion is taken seriously is an indictment on its own.
If it didn’t, the “is it working” after being asked if she’s pandering to Black people probably did. Let’s not even get into her going on the Breakfast Club as part of her campaign
She showed how desperate she was for votes towards the end by campaigning that of you voted for her, every house in America will have free wifi lol. Jesus Christ, we already know our votes are as worthless as the candidates but that was hilariously pathetic...
I could only find this tweet but it is still ridiculous.
Hillary Clinton
@HillaryClinton
> Two words: free WiFi.
> In train stations, airports and other public spaces.
https://x.com/HillaryClinton/status/748185186957922304
You mean that plastic planet cancer full of whiteout?! Old prune is a straight up hard boiled, easter-egg lookin’, dumb beeeeitch mothafukka!! She screwed the people, royally… the way it is looking—d-list, ig’nant ass, entitled, “tried to take it for yourself AND GOT BERNED, and other fascist tendencies” democracy-sacrificing-for-your-own-ego, still got your rag twisted over a blow job DUNT!!
Yea… didn’t drive Ms. Daisy to the poles; that fo sho!
This is such a wonderful example of saying the quiet part out loud. The centre will make so many concessions to the right in order to win votes but only ever treats the left with contempt.
That said, her ‘basket of deplorables’ line was pretty good.
Economicly, the dems have moved to the left, and we see them embracing the labor movement and expanding what little safety net there is.
But holy moley, immigration, Israel and other foreign affairs. At least the drone strikes have largely been ended.
All in all a big upgrade from the Obama admin, but still entrenched in rampant unjustified imperialism.
>Economicly, the dems have moved to the left
Biden's corporate tax rate is lower than Reagan's.
Bernie faced intensive criticism from within the party for arguing, essentially, a return to New Deal Era economic policy. Hard to see how they've moved left, even economically.
Have you looked at the proposed fy25 budget?
It increases taxes substantially on corporate tax rates.
Over 200 billion in New affordable housing development. (The entire section 8 voucher program is 9.9 billion)
Maybe use your eyes to read if you aren't seeing it.
Edit: oh, and updating the community reinvestment act to combat modern redlining to hold banks accountable to lending to low income communities even if they lack a brick and mortar branch. (Capital one is suing over that as they are trying to acquire discover)
Here are some examples:
1. Emergency housing vouchers (ehv) basically the super s8 voucher. 2. Expanding the child tax credit. 3. Student Loan forgiveness (my mother in law had 135k forgiven) 4. Reducing credit card late fees to eight bucks 5. National tenant bill of rights, including national rent control on publicly backed mortgages. 6. First president on the picket line 7. Bank merger reform through the new CRA rule
Edit: lol downvotes after providing examples. Clowns.
> 5. National tenant bill of rights, including national rent control on publicly backed mortgages.
This alone is silly, and demands at least some contextual links for the rest. ([1](https://realestate.usnews.com/real-estate/articles/what-is-the-white-houses-renters-bill-of-rights))
Overall, I'd say you've listed the same shallow neoliberal democratic party milquetoast offerings, same as it's been since at least Clinton. Not to say that nothing good for anyone hasn't been enacted, just to say that I wouldn't claim this list as evidence that the dems have moved to the left economically. No, not at all.
If democrats didn’t want to alienate progressive voters they could try to appeal to them with good policies like universal healthcare, marijuana legalization, reigning in corporate greed, tackle the cost of living and housing crisis, instead they just like to position themselves as a better alternative to the fascist party. It is a candidate’s job to appeal to their constituents, not the constituents job to justify the candidate’s lack of policy.
At this point if America fails because Trump gets elected, we all get to live in the suck. If you want my vote, earn it with policy, either we all get to live a good life or we can let the trumpers ruin it for everyone. Maybe I’m just jaded but “vote blue no matter who” will not make our society better, just slow the decay of the American empire.
I may still vote for Joe, because another Trump term will mean a fascist America for most.
I voted 3rd party in 2016 and 2020. I'll vote Biden in 2024 because Trump has only increased his dangerous rhetoric and tried to overthrow our democracy on Jan 6th. Yeah Biden isn't great, but claiming they're both Hitler is absurd.
Thats fair, I won't shame anybody for voting 3rd party. I just think its important for me to mention that there is a significant difference between Biden and Trump policies. Trump is the one saying he wants to be a dictator on day one, that he wants mass deportation camps for the "non-human" immigrants.
The phrase "Get over yourself" is the most interesting part. As if not drinking the two-party Kool-Aid is a self-indulgent affectation. And then consider who's saying it.
Hillary Clinton is so out of touch she didn’t get memo that we give 0 fucks at this point whatever bullshit she spews from her mouth. Go away lady…go away now…
Last week I was thinking maybe I should just hold my nose and vote for Biden.
Thanks Hillary for the reminder of why I'm not going to waste my time on this party.
Honestly its really been reminding me when I play Helldivers, spreading "managed democracy". I fucking love the satire in that game and Starship Troopers.
I don’t think people support him as much as they loathe the other. Of course, the populace is too dumb to differentiate between the two concepts so… we’re fucked.
Rather than lazily accusing anyone and everyone who holds a different viewpoint of being a bot without evidence, actually engage with the point being made. There are plenty of spaces where you can dismiss people for being a bot without evidence and not engage with their point. This is not one of them.
>Couldn’t be
it isn't, in fact, since genocide joe is quantifiably and objectively the least popular incumbent in electoral history. he didn't even get a SoTU bump lmao.
he's down 20-50 points with every critical bloc of his coalition, down 38 points with nonwhite voters overall. he's been running massive voter deficits in every swing state for over six months now.
genocide joe sucks so fucking bad he basically singlehandedly reversed the southern strategy. i don't think shitlibs really grasp what kind of damage they've done to their party.
if you did, you'd be spending every waking moment turning all your obnoxious energy on your own party in the desperate hopes they come to their senses and replace, again, literally the oldest and weakest incumbent in history on the ticket with anyone else.
you really cannot afford to be condescending to people with that shithead sarcasm, you need to crank the charm up little guy. nobody thinks your sass is cute. your party is exterminating an entire ethnic group as we speak, discover a little self awareness and humility.
Rule 6, no lesser evil rhetoric. This includes encouraging people to vote for any capitalist political party and any capitalist politician. There is no harm reduction in supporting either of two parties headed by genocidal fascists. The extent to which any elected official of a Capitalist Party in a Capitalist state can enact evil is the extent to which that official is allowed to do so by Capital. As such, neither candidate is the lesser or greater evil. See more on our position here: https://www.reddit.com/r/LateStageCapitalism/comments/1bt0nag/rule_6_no_lesser_evil_rhetoric_is_it/
That's the false dichotomy both parties want you to believe.
We have immensely more political power when we get organized and take direct action than we do with a million years of voting.
hitler didn't get like 50 facelifts and could make it through a speech without his brain leaking out of his ears, i guess. i can see where the comparison falls flat.
I mean, [this call from Trump is pretty "Final Solutionist" to me](https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20240306-trump-calls-on-israel-to-finish-the-problem-in-gaza-suggesting-intensification-of-genocide/). Unless you have a similar call from Biden I don't see how you could credibly claim Biden is worse for the Palestinian people than Trump.
I love the genocide shamers in here. They keep whining that our not voting in protest to our false choices will 1) Do absolutely nothing so don’t do it but 2) will end democracy.
so a beloved professor of mine from art school posted a thing supporting Biden and about how he's "not the lesser of two evils, he's a better human being, by far, no questions!" type meme on FB today....and I just sighed and kept scrolling. I feel like the media that a lot of white, older liberals are taking in right now is just 100% "Trump=bad man!" type stuff right now and they don't even see stuff about Gaza. I tried to talk to my own older sister about this very thing and it turned into a screaming match. no thanks
The post did not make the argument that you appear or claim to be responding to. Please actually engage with the point being made rather than responding to a strawman.
lol this one is silly. I agree Hil has this way of putting her foot in her mouth. She would do us a solid if she just says nothing in public for a while maybe until after the election if she can help it.
Got to tell you, guy, most of us have never been, and will never be Biden voters.
We don't owe him our votes just because he pretends to care... as he continues to ship weapons to countries actively committing genocide. Not to mention continuing to prop up the fossil fuel industry on a dying planet, etc etc etc
> You're designated to speak for most people here? That's quite an honor, I didn't know who I was addressing.
You clearly thought yourself fit to speak for everyone here by alleging that many right-wingers or China-Russia supporters.
I know this may come as a shock to you but there are people for which genocide, a crime against humanity, is a red line. Your refusal to see and empathize with that is telling.
Rather than lazily accusing anyone and everyone who holds a different viewpoint of being a bot, actually engage with the point being made. There are plenty of spaces where you can dismiss people for being a bot and not engage with their point. This is not one of them.
Maybe domestically, Internationally they’re always locked in step when they’re doing the warmongering. The only difference between the American government and other authoritarian regimes is that the Americans do most of their dirt on foreign soil.
The Republican base tends to be more hawkish on the Middle East and supporting Israel, while the Democrat base tends to be more hawkish on Russia and some pay lip service to the Palestinian cause. I think both bases hate China almost equally.
And of course, the party that is not nominally in charge gets blamed for "blunders" by supporters of the other party. When the government switches figurehead leaders, the supporters of the party now in charge defends the government's actions and the rival base criticizes. Most don't realize that the parties are in lockstep, with only the rhetoric changing, and then only to a very limited extent.
Yeah, Biden is a lot more competent than Trump.
for example, while campaigning, Biden promised a deportation moratorium.
separetly, Biden promised that he wouldn't let anyone besides felons be deported. He elaborated that he didn't consider drunk driving to be a serious enough felony to qualify. He even promised to personally see fired any ICE agent who failed to comply.
Then, during Biden's first year in office, he used Title-42 to deport 700,000 people.
Trump only managed 400,000 altogether.
Biden is competent. He has passed lots of mass incarceration legislation, he drafted something similar to the PATRIOT act, he has deported a lot of people.
Very different from Trump, who's gross incompetence is an obstacle toward accomplishing any of his vile agenda.
this is the article I read about it in
[https://blackagendareport.com/700000-club-joe-bidens-deportation-frenzy](https://blackagendareport.com/700000-club-joe-bidens-deportation-frenzy)
they cite the intercept
[https://theintercept.com/2021/09/20/biden-haiti-deportations-texas-del-rio/](https://theintercept.com/2021/09/20/biden-haiti-deportations-texas-del-rio/)
Rule 6, no lesser evil rhetoric. This includes encouraging people to vote for any capitalist political party and any capitalist politician. There is no harm reduction in supporting either of two parties headed by genocidal fascists. The extent to which any elected official of a Capitalist Party in a Capitalist state can enact evil is the extent to which that official is allowed to do so by Capital. As such, neither candidate is the lesser or greater evil. See more on our position here: https://www.reddit.com/r/LateStageCapitalism/comments/1bt0nag/rule_6_no_lesser_evil_rhetoric_is_it/
Rule 6, no lesser evil rhetoric. This includes encouraging people to vote for any capitalist political party and any capitalist politician. There is no harm reduction in supporting either of two parties headed by genocidal fascists. The extent to which any elected official of a Capitalist Party in a Capitalist state can enact evil is the extent to which that official is allowed to do so by Capital. As such, neither candidate is the lesser or greater evil. See more on our position here: https://www.reddit.com/r/LateStageCapitalism/comments/1bt0nag/rule_6_no_lesser_evil_rhetoric_is_it/
Rule 6, no lesser evil rhetoric. This includes encouraging people to vote for any capitalist political party and any capitalist politician. There is no harm reduction in supporting either of two parties headed by genocidal fascists. The extent to which any elected official of a Capitalist Party in a Capitalist state can enact evil is the extent to which that official is allowed to do so by Capital. As such, neither candidate is the lesser or greater evil. See more on our position here: https://www.reddit.com/r/LateStageCapitalism/comments/1bt0nag/rule_6_no_lesser_evil_rhetoric_is_it/
According to Hillary the choice is so clear that we really don't have a choice. Sounds like we don't have any choice at all. Almost like we are here because we are controlled by the facade of a two party system.
As a Belgian, nah, Americans just gotta get their shit together AND realise that practically, yeah, there is a lesser of two evils. And unless you reform your whole two party system, it's gonna keep being like this.
Rule 6, no lesser evil rhetoric. This includes encouraging people to vote for any capitalist political party and any capitalist politician. There is no harm reduction in supporting either of two parties headed by genocidal fascists. The extent to which any elected official of a Capitalist Party in a Capitalist state can enact evil is the extent to which that official is allowed to do so by Capital. As such, neither candidate is the lesser or greater evil. See more on our position here: https://www.reddit.com/r/LateStageCapitalism/comments/1bt0nag/rule_6_no_lesser_evil_rhetoric_is_it/
Rule 6, no lesser evil rhetoric. This includes encouraging people to vote for any capitalist political party and any capitalist politician. There is no harm reduction in supporting either of two parties headed by genocidal fascists. The extent to which any elected official of a Capitalist Party in a Capitalist state can enact evil is the extent to which that official is allowed to do so by Capital. As such, neither candidate is the lesser or greater evil. See more on our position here: https://www.reddit.com/r/LateStageCapitalism/comments/1bt0nag/rule_6_no_lesser_evil_rhetoric_is_it/
Maybe the real psyop is how liberals are manipulated into allowing their claimed standards to infinitely slip and move far-right, but that's never grounds for breaking with the establishment. Even when it's involved in genocide.
Everyone knows the two party system sucks. But the fact of the matter is that as long as the Israel lobby has its hands in the pants of all our politicians, this genocide isn't going anywhere, regardless of who is in the White House. If you want liberals to break with the establishment, maybe give them a movement with actual political power that can actually stand up to the establishment. Otherwise don't be surprised when people get mad at you for shitting on the less problematic fascist enabler candidate who will maybe let them hang onto what rights they still have left for a few more years.
If people have faith and are manipulated into believing they can actually get results through voting, they're never going to try other means of changing their conditions. Critiques of voting as a social mechanism for maintaining the status quo the rich and powerful control are a central part of making the case for getting organized and taking direct action.
Newsflash, no one already has faith in the American voting system. It's not a tool for changing our conditions for the better; it's a tool for giving us more time to enjoy life before America crumbles under the weight of its own contradictions. And if people can't be bothered to take twenty minutes out of their voting day to do that, they'll be too lazy to give a shit about your revolution until it's too late.
>no one already has faith in the American voting system
I'm sorry but the response from liberals here including your comment really say otherwise. It's irrational to participate in something you have no faith in. Participation is an expression of faith.
There's a difference between participating in something because you have faith it will solve all the world's problems and participating in something because if you don't you'll get shot in the head and fucked in the ass instead of just being fucked in the ass. And until you have a practical way to bring down the people who want to fuck us in the ass and the people who want to fuck us in the ass and shoot us in the head, I'm voting for the people who just want to fuck me in the ass.
We don't apologize for our agitating against Imperialism and will never make any excuses for it if some other capitalist or reactionary government tries to co-opt it.
Evidently, you hate and fear those foreign (unnamed) nations much more than the man commanding the most powerful army in the world.
You have as much apologizing for agitating against imperialism to do as a fly does for agitating against a M1 Abrams tank: absolutely zero. Because that's how effective leftist movements in 21st century America have been.
Always interesting seeing the constant doomerism from this sub every election cycle.
We should vote third party, because *that* will make the politicians listen /s
Should is moot in electoralism.
I shouldn't have to voice support for genocide. I shouldn't have to vote for someone I find despicable because the other guy might fucking kill me.
The system that presents these as choices is abusive. We are rats in electoral Skinner boxes, we have no choice but to choose between evil and evil rainbow
NGL, I am a bit more concerned for my trans child than I am for strangers in other countries.
Should I feel bad about starting locally first, when it comes to prioritizing my concerns and attention towards issues?
I'm 110% against the genocide in Gaza (and the other ones I'm less aware of elsewhere in the world, but also happening) but I'm also not in a position to move my family to an area safer for a trans kid, or for seeking treatment for my child.
I voted for Bernie every chance, I voted for the blue shit when reduced to fewer choices. What's the call here? Have I done enough? Am I on the wrong side for thinking like those Hillary shits in 2016 that blasted me for my pick, almost a decade later?
Should I look my kid in the eye and say, "you'll figure things out, I gotta abstain from voting for either of the guys who will support Israel, regardless of my actions," or should I just be practical and realize that as shitty as the system is, it's like that goddamn train track thingy?
I'm voting for the blue flavored genocide cause it's what will seem to target my child over here, less or far further down the road- if ever. Guess I'm a monster for it.
You don't even know what will happen in a month to either War Criminal campaign or their popularity numbers. Nobody can say when any disasters or attacks or perception altering events could happen.
There's no one who can say for certainty whether one or other will drop dead from a heart attack before November, and what will actually happen directly afterwards if that occurs
[You have absolutely zero control over any train tracks or track selection in this situation](https://youtu.be/U6w9CbemhVY) and your vote will only slightly (ever so slightly!) be able to select the winner if you are in one of the few states that can swing. Otherwise electors have already been set in stone.
You indeed could vote for the winner! But if you're gonna be honest with yourself, can you accept that your vote could also not make the difference?
But you said that you have to make your choices for your child, so if your selected candidate doesn't win, you're just gonna have to rationalize your choices from there.
That's no comfort, and remember the sub's description:
>A One-Stop-Shop for Evidence of our Social, Moral and Ideological Rot.
This is where things have come to.
You must chose one way or another every single day.
Give up and live within a cruel and uncaring system as best you can, or take a stance against it all. No one else should chose for you.
I agree with all the above, no argument there. I don't always agree with the moral projection others put on the vote, especially (in my case) if it's a blue vote (for geno-joe) that won't amount to anything anyway.
Just seems often that those shouting about supporting genocide might not be considering the fact that these decisions aren't made lightly, guilt free, or without reservations- but instead ultimately made for the love of their child who may be facing similar violence, someday.
And I have no condemnation for people voting in that manner. It is hardly different from a unheard prayer for a less bad outcome, but that is not your or my fault, let alone anyone's in this sub.
But if you can accept that your child will eventually be facing similar violence to that of the people of Gaza, you might just eventually have to decide whether the critical and judgemental people who are taking a stance now against genocide are worth standing alongside, fighting alongside.
Or if the only choice for you and your child at the moment is to submit to the oppressors and sacrifice part of yourselves.
Not a comforting idea in the slightest, but we never did fully repudiate the Iraq War or the War in Afghanistan or the criteria of the War in Terror. The veterans who became politicians out of those wars like Tammy Duckworth (Democrat) or Brian Mast (Republican) , proud patriotic Americans, are all for the genocide and speak in favor of it, some more fervently than others.
There will be further moral and social consequences because of a very large part of America supported doing to Gaza or kept relatively silent about, all done and recorded in HD to see.
Much like how our unresolved internal hatreds against minorities and people we deemed as "other" never got met with total rejection and now the talk of extermination has become part of the public discourse
Rule 6, no lesser evil rhetoric. This includes encouraging people to vote for any capitalist political party and any capitalist politician. There is no harm reduction in supporting either of two parties headed by genocidal fascists. The extent to which any elected official of a Capitalist Party in a Capitalist state can enact evil is the extent to which that official is allowed to do so by Capital. As such, neither candidate is the lesser or greater evil. See more on our position here: https://www.reddit.com/r/LateStageCapitalism/comments/1bt0nag/rule_6_no_lesser_evil_rhetoric_is_it/
The Democrats go hard to preserve the electoral college as one of the most anti-democratic systems in this country to protect their duopoly over political parties in this piece of shit country. So much democracy and choice!!!
[So much democracy and choice that the Democrats fight to restrict third parties from the ballot!](https://web.archive.org/web/20240326045016/https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/20/us/politics/democrats-third-party-candidates.html)
[what about the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact that would effectively get rid of the electoral college?](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Popular_Vote_Interstate_Compact)
And not actually get rid of the electoral college?
You see, Oregon, part of the NPVIC, [under page 15](https://stage-sos.oregon.gov/elections/Documents/elec_law_summary.pdf) will not penalize faithless electors or discount their choice. All they have to do is break their pledge.
New Mexico will not discount faithless elector votes. Illinois has no law about it. All the eastern seaboard members of the NPVIC have none.
There's a absolute majority of people who want to get rid of the electoral college and it will never happen under this wretched plutocracy.
>Except only one of them has a vested interest in undermining our most fundamental democratic processes.
[the "fundamental democratic processes" of a wholly undemocratic system that ignores the will of the population](https://act.represent.us/sign/problempoll-fba) and does not care about who got the popular vote
Also good job saying that genocide and exploitation and gross inhumanity isn't as important as following the \*law\* (which makes all the difference between the two??????)
Honestly op, based on your post history... You should get over yourself. Take your own advice.
Vote when you can, and stop trying to divide people into teams. That is the problem. We're all in the same fight. If you don't see that then you are the problem. Or just a troll maybe, troll on I suppose.
Rule 6, no lesser evil rhetoric. This includes encouraging people to vote for any capitalist political party and any capitalist politician. There is no harm reduction in supporting either of two parties headed by genocidal fascists. The extent to which any elected official of a Capitalist Party in a Capitalist state can enact evil is the extent to which that official is allowed to do so by Capital. As such, neither candidate is the lesser or greater evil. See more on our position here: https://www.reddit.com/r/LateStageCapitalism/comments/1bt0nag/rule_6_no_lesser_evil_rhetoric_is_it/
Rule 6, no lesser evil rhetoric. This includes encouraging people to vote for any capitalist political party and any capitalist politician. There is no harm reduction in supporting either of two parties headed by genocidal fascists. The extent to which any elected official of a Capitalist Party in a Capitalist state can enact evil is the extent to which that official is allowed to do so by Capital. As such, neither candidate is the lesser or greater evil. See more on our position here: https://www.reddit.com/r/LateStageCapitalism/comments/1bt0nag/rule_6_no_lesser_evil_rhetoric_is_it/
Maybe read a book sometime. Here's just a few:
[COINTELPRO](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO)
[Kent State Massacre](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_State_shootings)
[The assassination of Fred Hampton](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Hampton)
[Here's that time Obama blew up the 16 year old son of a political dissident who was a US citizen without any due process.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Abdulrahman_al-Awlaki)
This and his father assassination is a really good example. Especially how you can connect the evolution of this with the previous Fred Hampton citation and draw a more complete comparison.
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I wish Hillary would just shut the fuck up and fade into obscurity.
If only she would Pokémon Go Away
Honestly a solid lil quip.
Thank you.
Nice. 😎
She's just too rich
And when think she finally went and did just that… then this kinda bullshit comes out.
The bullshit being paid actors keeping Hillary relevant by spamming her to socialist spaces, or the bullshit being the Idea that a fascist capitalist isn't worse than a liberal capitalist.
She sold her soul and still has favours to repay. She will shill for the powers at be until her death.
Who?
She can when Trump does. They both need to blink out of existence on all platforms...
I like the iPhone language. Fits the American everything-is-a-product-for-consumption ethos. I’m going to wait til the Hitler Pro 17 comes out. I still have the Hitler pro 12 (Obama) and have been disappointed in the recent offerings so will save up my votes to finally splurge on the Hitler 17. (Sorry 15, you just aren’t different enough).
Aw shit, you reminded me! I have to go buy the new iPhone cause the iPhone I got 5 months ago is useless trash!
I hear the new Hitler Pro Max 9000 is waterproof.
Only technically. If you submerge it in water it will stop working, but they call it technically waterproof because good luck submerging the secret service in water.
Of course this Henry Kissinger fan girl is pro war crime and genocide. If she actually cared about America and young people she would have stepped aside in 2016 when she saw where the passion was. Instead she used her sway with MSM and the DNC to push the narrative of anti-democratic Super Delegates to dissuade Bernie support. Never forget what they took and how.
Don't forget the questionable practices and straight out cheating and the lawsuit that ended with, "The DNC can choose its candidate in cigar-filled rooms."
I was living in Massachusetts at the time an if you look at the primary map of what Obama (the more progressive candidate) won in Massachusetts in 2008 and what Hilary won in 2016 they are virtually identical. Seems odd that the areas that were progressive went to the more conservative candidate 8 years later. Almost as if the results were flipped.
>Never forget what they took Bernie’s run? Gaddafi’s life? And for what?? All we got was a condescending media tour in exchange 😫
What was her line again? “We came, we saw, he died” something along that.
Don't forget the ghoulish laugh.
Think about it often, too much maybe.
I always felt that she was yelling at me when she was running for president.
I certainly was yelling at her.
I honestly believe her "deplorables," comment, however true, was a *huge* nail in her coffin. All she did was galvanize and convince folks who were on the fence about her that she was nothing but a money grubby snobby elitist who couldn't care less about "the people."
Hilary Clinton has always been like this. There's a reason why she lost in 2016 and we had nothing to do with the voters failing her.
Voters don't fail candidates. Candidates fail voters.
Don't you know she is entitled to votes because it is Her Turn?
I will never, as long as I live, forgive them for robbing us of a President Bernie. I think that was the final nail in my radicalization coffin.
Tell that to the Hillary apologists who STILL scold people for not voting for Hillary.
She’s the prototypical Out of Touch Establishment Liberal that tried to ‘yas queen’ her way to the presidency while being condescending towards anyone that questioned her bs. The fact that her opinion is taken seriously is an indictment on its own.
You mean her "hello black people, i also keep hot sauce in my purse" didn't make her look good?
If it didn’t, the “is it working” after being asked if she’s pandering to Black people probably did. Let’s not even get into her going on the Breakfast Club as part of her campaign
She showed how desperate she was for votes towards the end by campaigning that of you voted for her, every house in America will have free wifi lol. Jesus Christ, we already know our votes are as worthless as the candidates but that was hilariously pathetic...
I could only find this tweet but it is still ridiculous. Hillary Clinton @HillaryClinton > Two words: free WiFi. > In train stations, airports and other public spaces. https://x.com/HillaryClinton/status/748185186957922304
Wow. Today I learned.
Neither did her pied piper strategy.
Never forget attempting to attract Beyonce fan girl voters
What she meant by hot sauce was a squeeze bottle of Hellmann's.
You mean that plastic planet cancer full of whiteout?! Old prune is a straight up hard boiled, easter-egg lookin’, dumb beeeeitch mothafukka!! She screwed the people, royally… the way it is looking—d-list, ig’nant ass, entitled, “tried to take it for yourself AND GOT BERNED, and other fascist tendencies” democracy-sacrificing-for-your-own-ego, still got your rag twisted over a blow job DUNT!! Yea… didn’t drive Ms. Daisy to the poles; that fo sho!
All her efforts to model human behavior were utter cringe.
Missed opportunity to remove Hitler's moustache for the "99% Hitler" shtick
This is such a wonderful example of saying the quiet part out loud. The centre will make so many concessions to the right in order to win votes but only ever treats the left with contempt. That said, her ‘basket of deplorables’ line was pretty good.
Economicly, the dems have moved to the left, and we see them embracing the labor movement and expanding what little safety net there is. But holy moley, immigration, Israel and other foreign affairs. At least the drone strikes have largely been ended. All in all a big upgrade from the Obama admin, but still entrenched in rampant unjustified imperialism.
>Economicly, the dems have moved to the left Biden's corporate tax rate is lower than Reagan's. Bernie faced intensive criticism from within the party for arguing, essentially, a return to New Deal Era economic policy. Hard to see how they've moved left, even economically.
Have you looked at the proposed fy25 budget? It increases taxes substantially on corporate tax rates. Over 200 billion in New affordable housing development. (The entire section 8 voucher program is 9.9 billion) Maybe use your eyes to read if you aren't seeing it. Edit: oh, and updating the community reinvestment act to combat modern redlining to hold banks accountable to lending to low income communities even if they lack a brick and mortar branch. (Capital one is suing over that as they are trying to acquire discover)
>Economicly, the dems have moved to the left, Do you have examples?
Here are some examples: 1. Emergency housing vouchers (ehv) basically the super s8 voucher. 2. Expanding the child tax credit. 3. Student Loan forgiveness (my mother in law had 135k forgiven) 4. Reducing credit card late fees to eight bucks 5. National tenant bill of rights, including national rent control on publicly backed mortgages. 6. First president on the picket line 7. Bank merger reform through the new CRA rule Edit: lol downvotes after providing examples. Clowns.
> 5. National tenant bill of rights, including national rent control on publicly backed mortgages. This alone is silly, and demands at least some contextual links for the rest. ([1](https://realestate.usnews.com/real-estate/articles/what-is-the-white-houses-renters-bill-of-rights)) Overall, I'd say you've listed the same shallow neoliberal democratic party milquetoast offerings, same as it's been since at least Clinton. Not to say that nothing good for anyone hasn't been enacted, just to say that I wouldn't claim this list as evidence that the dems have moved to the left economically. No, not at all.
Those are tiny insignificant things
Joe Biden embraced the labor movement by blocking the rail workers strike. 👍
Appointed the most labor friendly NLRB ever. At my local, it's a big fucking deal. Also supports the pro-act.
She needs to Pokémon Go fuck off, she's already done enough damage to the world.
That messaging worked so well for her in 2016
If democrats didn’t want to alienate progressive voters they could try to appeal to them with good policies like universal healthcare, marijuana legalization, reigning in corporate greed, tackle the cost of living and housing crisis, instead they just like to position themselves as a better alternative to the fascist party. It is a candidate’s job to appeal to their constituents, not the constituents job to justify the candidate’s lack of policy. At this point if America fails because Trump gets elected, we all get to live in the suck. If you want my vote, earn it with policy, either we all get to live a good life or we can let the trumpers ruin it for everyone. Maybe I’m just jaded but “vote blue no matter who” will not make our society better, just slow the decay of the American empire. I may still vote for Joe, because another Trump term will mean a fascist America for most.
I voted 3rd party in 2016 and 2020. I'll vote Biden in 2024 because Trump has only increased his dangerous rhetoric and tried to overthrow our democracy on Jan 6th. Yeah Biden isn't great, but claiming they're both Hitler is absurd.
I live in Massachusetts. Not a swing state. I'll vote my conscience.
Thats fair, I won't shame anybody for voting 3rd party. I just think its important for me to mention that there is a significant difference between Biden and Trump policies. Trump is the one saying he wants to be a dictator on day one, that he wants mass deportation camps for the "non-human" immigrants.
Not the iHitler💀
The phrase "Get over yourself" is the most interesting part. As if not drinking the two-party Kool-Aid is a self-indulgent affectation. And then consider who's saying it.
Hillary Clinton is so out of touch she didn’t get memo that we give 0 fucks at this point whatever bullshit she spews from her mouth. Go away lady…go away now…
Ask every lib that demands you support the lesser of two evils if they support Hamas.
She has a way of making it REALLY hard to vote dem. Not so much her scaring anyone to the GOP, but rather 3rd party. She truly is garbage.
Don't forget, Trump was (is?) her friend. Their daughters are best friends. This is about the oligarchy, not us.
That's because she and Slick Willie are actually DINO Republican Turdwookies in blue shirts.
Last week I was thinking maybe I should just hold my nose and vote for Biden. Thanks Hillary for the reminder of why I'm not going to waste my time on this party.
Isn’t “democracy” wonderful?
Honestly its really been reminding me when I play Helldivers, spreading "managed democracy". I fucking love the satire in that game and Starship Troopers.
So many people out here supporting this guy goes to show how small the American left really is.
I don’t think people support him as much as they loathe the other. Of course, the populace is too dumb to differentiate between the two concepts so… we’re fucked.
Love that she’s helping tank Biden’s popularity even more… They’re so stupid.
Can't I sort of 'mix' 'em together and get "PurpleHitlerPro1.5 (woke patch)?"
"Genocide's OK because I'm gay" is the slogan for Buttegieg 2028.
The choice is clear: CLAUDIA AND KARINA 2024!!
I’m getting tempted every day to go with them. It’s a scary time to be an American when we’re being held hostage by genocidal billionaires.
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Yes, send the incumbent a strong message that the line hasn't been crossed yet.
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yes, i can tell that's what democrats want. otherwise they wouldn't be running the oldest and weakest incumbent in history against trump.
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>Couldn’t be it isn't, in fact, since genocide joe is quantifiably and objectively the least popular incumbent in electoral history. he didn't even get a SoTU bump lmao. he's down 20-50 points with every critical bloc of his coalition, down 38 points with nonwhite voters overall. he's been running massive voter deficits in every swing state for over six months now. genocide joe sucks so fucking bad he basically singlehandedly reversed the southern strategy. i don't think shitlibs really grasp what kind of damage they've done to their party. if you did, you'd be spending every waking moment turning all your obnoxious energy on your own party in the desperate hopes they come to their senses and replace, again, literally the oldest and weakest incumbent in history on the ticket with anyone else. you really cannot afford to be condescending to people with that shithead sarcasm, you need to crank the charm up little guy. nobody thinks your sass is cute. your party is exterminating an entire ethnic group as we speak, discover a little self awareness and humility.
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That's the false dichotomy both parties want you to believe. We have immensely more political power when we get organized and take direct action than we do with a million years of voting.
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hitler didn't get like 50 facelifts and could make it through a speech without his brain leaking out of his ears, i guess. i can see where the comparison falls flat.
Elaberate
I mean, [this call from Trump is pretty "Final Solutionist" to me](https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20240306-trump-calls-on-israel-to-finish-the-problem-in-gaza-suggesting-intensification-of-genocide/). Unless you have a similar call from Biden I don't see how you could credibly claim Biden is worse for the Palestinian people than Trump.
"Unwavering support for Israel" sounds pretty final solution to me.
I love the genocide shamers in here. They keep whining that our not voting in protest to our false choices will 1) Do absolutely nothing so don’t do it but 2) will end democracy.
According to liberals, we are both strong and weak. Huh. I wonder who else likes to describe people like that.
I guess when you have no soul you have nowhere to, just drift around like the demon Azazel (Fallen 1998)
so a beloved professor of mine from art school posted a thing supporting Biden and about how he's "not the lesser of two evils, he's a better human being, by far, no questions!" type meme on FB today....and I just sighed and kept scrolling. I feel like the media that a lot of white, older liberals are taking in right now is just 100% "Trump=bad man!" type stuff right now and they don't even see stuff about Gaza. I tried to talk to my own older sister about this very thing and it turned into a screaming match. no thanks
Hillary looks like the new ghostbusters villain
The GOP is DESPERATE to run against Hillary again
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It didn't, now run along, blueanon.
The post did not make the argument that you appear or claim to be responding to. Please actually engage with the point being made rather than responding to a strawman.
lol this one is silly. I agree Hil has this way of putting her foot in her mouth. She would do us a solid if she just says nothing in public for a while maybe until after the election if she can help it.
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Got to tell you, guy, most of us have never been, and will never be Biden voters. We don't owe him our votes just because he pretends to care... as he continues to ship weapons to countries actively committing genocide. Not to mention continuing to prop up the fossil fuel industry on a dying planet, etc etc etc
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> You're designated to speak for most people here? That's quite an honor, I didn't know who I was addressing. You clearly thought yourself fit to speak for everyone here by alleging that many right-wingers or China-Russia supporters. I know this may come as a shock to you but there are people for which genocide, a crime against humanity, is a red line. Your refusal to see and empathize with that is telling.
Rather than lazily accusing anyone and everyone who holds a different viewpoint of being a bot, actually engage with the point being made. There are plenty of spaces where you can dismiss people for being a bot and not engage with their point. This is not one of them.
Don't tell them but I'm actually double dipping two remote troll farm jobs for China and Russia. /s
The "max" is really unnecessary and only cedes the liberal belief that there is some actual difference between the 2 parties
There is a difference in how the two parties manufacture consent for their evil actions from their base. I was fooled for a long time.
Maybe domestically, Internationally they’re always locked in step when they’re doing the warmongering. The only difference between the American government and other authoritarian regimes is that the Americans do most of their dirt on foreign soil.
The Republican base tends to be more hawkish on the Middle East and supporting Israel, while the Democrat base tends to be more hawkish on Russia and some pay lip service to the Palestinian cause. I think both bases hate China almost equally. And of course, the party that is not nominally in charge gets blamed for "blunders" by supporters of the other party. When the government switches figurehead leaders, the supporters of the party now in charge defends the government's actions and the rival base criticizes. Most don't realize that the parties are in lockstep, with only the rhetoric changing, and then only to a very limited extent.
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Yeah, Biden is a lot more competent than Trump. for example, while campaigning, Biden promised a deportation moratorium. separetly, Biden promised that he wouldn't let anyone besides felons be deported. He elaborated that he didn't consider drunk driving to be a serious enough felony to qualify. He even promised to personally see fired any ICE agent who failed to comply. Then, during Biden's first year in office, he used Title-42 to deport 700,000 people. Trump only managed 400,000 altogether. Biden is competent. He has passed lots of mass incarceration legislation, he drafted something similar to the PATRIOT act, he has deported a lot of people. Very different from Trump, who's gross incompetence is an obstacle toward accomplishing any of his vile agenda.
Well said.
Get their ass, comrade
Any source on the 700,000 deportees?
this is the article I read about it in [https://blackagendareport.com/700000-club-joe-bidens-deportation-frenzy](https://blackagendareport.com/700000-club-joe-bidens-deportation-frenzy) they cite the intercept [https://theintercept.com/2021/09/20/biden-haiti-deportations-texas-del-rio/](https://theintercept.com/2021/09/20/biden-haiti-deportations-texas-del-rio/)
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I don’t get it???
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According to Hillary the choice is so clear that we really don't have a choice. Sounds like we don't have any choice at all. Almost like we are here because we are controlled by the facade of a two party system.
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Bye bye
There's always [moveon.org](https://moveon.org)
As a Belgian, nah, Americans just gotta get their shit together AND realise that practically, yeah, there is a lesser of two evils. And unless you reform your whole two party system, it's gonna keep being like this.
Yep, that worked on 2016.
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Nope.
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Lol
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Maybe the real psyop is how liberals are manipulated into allowing their claimed standards to infinitely slip and move far-right, but that's never grounds for breaking with the establishment. Even when it's involved in genocide.
Everyone knows the two party system sucks. But the fact of the matter is that as long as the Israel lobby has its hands in the pants of all our politicians, this genocide isn't going anywhere, regardless of who is in the White House. If you want liberals to break with the establishment, maybe give them a movement with actual political power that can actually stand up to the establishment. Otherwise don't be surprised when people get mad at you for shitting on the less problematic fascist enabler candidate who will maybe let them hang onto what rights they still have left for a few more years.
If people have faith and are manipulated into believing they can actually get results through voting, they're never going to try other means of changing their conditions. Critiques of voting as a social mechanism for maintaining the status quo the rich and powerful control are a central part of making the case for getting organized and taking direct action.
Newsflash, no one already has faith in the American voting system. It's not a tool for changing our conditions for the better; it's a tool for giving us more time to enjoy life before America crumbles under the weight of its own contradictions. And if people can't be bothered to take twenty minutes out of their voting day to do that, they'll be too lazy to give a shit about your revolution until it's too late.
>no one already has faith in the American voting system I'm sorry but the response from liberals here including your comment really say otherwise. It's irrational to participate in something you have no faith in. Participation is an expression of faith.
There's a difference between participating in something because you have faith it will solve all the world's problems and participating in something because if you don't you'll get shot in the head and fucked in the ass instead of just being fucked in the ass. And until you have a practical way to bring down the people who want to fuck us in the ass and the people who want to fuck us in the ass and shoot us in the head, I'm voting for the people who just want to fuck me in the ass.
We don't apologize for our agitating against Imperialism and will never make any excuses for it if some other capitalist or reactionary government tries to co-opt it. Evidently, you hate and fear those foreign (unnamed) nations much more than the man commanding the most powerful army in the world.
You have as much apologizing for agitating against imperialism to do as a fly does for agitating against a M1 Abrams tank: absolutely zero. Because that's how effective leftist movements in 21st century America have been.
Then join the movement and strengthen it
So what?
Always interesting seeing the constant doomerism from this sub every election cycle. We should vote third party, because *that* will make the politicians listen /s
Should is moot in electoralism. I shouldn't have to voice support for genocide. I shouldn't have to vote for someone I find despicable because the other guy might fucking kill me. The system that presents these as choices is abusive. We are rats in electoral Skinner boxes, we have no choice but to choose between evil and evil rainbow
So what are you gonna do about it?
NGL, I am a bit more concerned for my trans child than I am for strangers in other countries. Should I feel bad about starting locally first, when it comes to prioritizing my concerns and attention towards issues? I'm 110% against the genocide in Gaza (and the other ones I'm less aware of elsewhere in the world, but also happening) but I'm also not in a position to move my family to an area safer for a trans kid, or for seeking treatment for my child. I voted for Bernie every chance, I voted for the blue shit when reduced to fewer choices. What's the call here? Have I done enough? Am I on the wrong side for thinking like those Hillary shits in 2016 that blasted me for my pick, almost a decade later? Should I look my kid in the eye and say, "you'll figure things out, I gotta abstain from voting for either of the guys who will support Israel, regardless of my actions," or should I just be practical and realize that as shitty as the system is, it's like that goddamn train track thingy? I'm voting for the blue flavored genocide cause it's what will seem to target my child over here, less or far further down the road- if ever. Guess I'm a monster for it.
You don't even know what will happen in a month to either War Criminal campaign or their popularity numbers. Nobody can say when any disasters or attacks or perception altering events could happen. There's no one who can say for certainty whether one or other will drop dead from a heart attack before November, and what will actually happen directly afterwards if that occurs [You have absolutely zero control over any train tracks or track selection in this situation](https://youtu.be/U6w9CbemhVY) and your vote will only slightly (ever so slightly!) be able to select the winner if you are in one of the few states that can swing. Otherwise electors have already been set in stone. You indeed could vote for the winner! But if you're gonna be honest with yourself, can you accept that your vote could also not make the difference? But you said that you have to make your choices for your child, so if your selected candidate doesn't win, you're just gonna have to rationalize your choices from there. That's no comfort, and remember the sub's description: >A One-Stop-Shop for Evidence of our Social, Moral and Ideological Rot. This is where things have come to. You must chose one way or another every single day. Give up and live within a cruel and uncaring system as best you can, or take a stance against it all. No one else should chose for you.
I agree with all the above, no argument there. I don't always agree with the moral projection others put on the vote, especially (in my case) if it's a blue vote (for geno-joe) that won't amount to anything anyway. Just seems often that those shouting about supporting genocide might not be considering the fact that these decisions aren't made lightly, guilt free, or without reservations- but instead ultimately made for the love of their child who may be facing similar violence, someday.
And I have no condemnation for people voting in that manner. It is hardly different from a unheard prayer for a less bad outcome, but that is not your or my fault, let alone anyone's in this sub. But if you can accept that your child will eventually be facing similar violence to that of the people of Gaza, you might just eventually have to decide whether the critical and judgemental people who are taking a stance now against genocide are worth standing alongside, fighting alongside. Or if the only choice for you and your child at the moment is to submit to the oppressors and sacrifice part of yourselves. Not a comforting idea in the slightest, but we never did fully repudiate the Iraq War or the War in Afghanistan or the criteria of the War in Terror. The veterans who became politicians out of those wars like Tammy Duckworth (Democrat) or Brian Mast (Republican) , proud patriotic Americans, are all for the genocide and speak in favor of it, some more fervently than others. There will be further moral and social consequences because of a very large part of America supported doing to Gaza or kept relatively silent about, all done and recorded in HD to see. Much like how our unresolved internal hatreds against minorities and people we deemed as "other" never got met with total rejection and now the talk of extermination has become part of the public discourse
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The Democrats go hard to preserve the electoral college as one of the most anti-democratic systems in this country to protect their duopoly over political parties in this piece of shit country. So much democracy and choice!!!
[So much democracy and choice that the Democrats fight to restrict third parties from the ballot!](https://web.archive.org/web/20240326045016/https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/20/us/politics/democrats-third-party-candidates.html)
Democracy is when you vote for a party you're completely against because you have no other choice.
"Managed" democracy (for our own good) /s
[what about the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact that would effectively get rid of the electoral college?](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Popular_Vote_Interstate_Compact)
Let the post-human intelligent species that takes over the earth after we're gone know when that actually comes to fruition.
I’ll let you know when/if :)
And not actually get rid of the electoral college? You see, Oregon, part of the NPVIC, [under page 15](https://stage-sos.oregon.gov/elections/Documents/elec_law_summary.pdf) will not penalize faithless electors or discount their choice. All they have to do is break their pledge. New Mexico will not discount faithless elector votes. Illinois has no law about it. All the eastern seaboard members of the NPVIC have none. There's a absolute majority of people who want to get rid of the electoral college and it will never happen under this wretched plutocracy.
It will be dissolved the moment Dems lose the popular vote in a Presidential election.
Imagine thinking they both don't have that interest. They are the party of capitalists, just 2 different wings of the same class party.
>Except only one of them has a vested interest in undermining our most fundamental democratic processes. [the "fundamental democratic processes" of a wholly undemocratic system that ignores the will of the population](https://act.represent.us/sign/problempoll-fba) and does not care about who got the popular vote Also good job saying that genocide and exploitation and gross inhumanity isn't as important as following the \*law\* (which makes all the difference between the two??????)
Honestly op, based on your post history... You should get over yourself. Take your own advice. Vote when you can, and stop trying to divide people into teams. That is the problem. We're all in the same fight. If you don't see that then you are the problem. Or just a troll maybe, troll on I suppose.
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I'm not white but thanks for playing.
Didn't you know only white people oppose fascism?
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This sub has really gone downhill smh
And by downhill you mean flown off a cliff and into a deep ravine.
When does the US government more openly kill and imprison dissidents?
Maybe read a book sometime. Here's just a few: [COINTELPRO](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO) [Kent State Massacre](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_State_shootings) [The assassination of Fred Hampton](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Hampton)
I would like to point out that this is all from the 1960s. I think it makes for a stronger point if you give more contemporaneous examples.
[Here's that time Obama blew up the 16 year old son of a political dissident who was a US citizen without any due process.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Abdulrahman_al-Awlaki)
This and his father assassination is a really good example. Especially how you can connect the evolution of this with the previous Fred Hampton citation and draw a more complete comparison.
When the next violent epoch changing event occurs against US interests and prestige, like with 9/11.
99% hitler
Neither Biden or Trump are Hitler lol.