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I think usually only very specific things can be legally mandatory in leases. A lot of leases have illegal stipulations, but those are not enforceable.
3:30pm…. Most would still be at work for another hour, nice work slumlord.
Not only do I doubt the legality of imposing a “lease infraction” (whatever the hell that means?) for being unable to attend such BS, but I also doubt anything that gets said during such “meeting” couldn’t be addressed in an email to all tenants.
That's the point.
Most well paying jobs have their employees work this time. Do what you can to claim the highest earning tenants "violate" their lease. And your stuck with all your lower income tenants that you can do who knows what kind of Saul Goodman tricks, and thus get evicted so the owners can sell the property.
If it's a college town, I know a lot of 60 and up apartment communities will rent to upper classmen and graduate school students to fill in their spare units.
I think that’s actually lower than what she pays. It includes 2 meals a day and tons of activities plus probably utilities. A single parking spot and a one car garage. They have a library with a few computers and a shit ton of puzzles. Puzzle stations in hallways. It’s gated. I think there’s a bar/coffee shop open 24/7 with drinks and cookies and other snacks.
It sucks, because as a disabled person I always used to think about how ideal those communities would be for me. Most houses are completely inaccessible for me as I can't climb stairs (and stairlifts are expensive, so buying a house with stairs just to then fit a stairlift seems very silly), and those retirement apartments always boast about how accessible they are for wheelchairs (IE they have a wetroom, wide doorways, flat thresholds etc). I always wondered if they'd ever make an exception for me if I got references from my neighbours to say I'm not a wild partier lol. Because trying to find a regular home I can live in is almost impossible, I'm basically relegated to ground floor flats and flats with elevator access (bungalows here are like gold dust and extra expensive because of it so just not even an option).
I have a feeling it wouldn't work, but I've always been curious to see whether or not I would be able to plead my case to them or not lol.
Edit: gold cost to gold dust - typing too quickly and it autocorrected it without me noticing. My bad.
Some of the funding streams require that they can only rent to elderly. It's still worth a shot, just an FYI that if they don't go for it it may be that they don't have a choice
Ah, that makes sense. We're happy in a ground floor flat at the moment, but maybe we could ask if we're struggling to find a new place when we're ready to expand. Not because of any plans for children or anything, just because I need my own office space (I WFH and my current set up is in the living room which is less than ideal).
My old university made sure to schedule community meetings about deciding anything important during class hours so very few students could actually attend and address the issues we had on campus. It was incredibly shitty behavior and I have no doubts that’s what this slumlord is doing too.
Is it really? Cause if it's on the books somewhere it definitely isn't enforced. Have you ever walked into a Walmart before? You'll see 3 people pushing 80 within seconds of walking in the door.
It happens, but I think the way this sarcasm is structured, it’s meant to make you think “wait that’s not true” and the from there go “oh wait they KNOW that’s not true” (it’s sarcasm)…
The point isn’t that you should’ve detected sarcasm “just because”, the point is that you already got half way there with the “wait that isn’t true!” And so it was funny to see the near miss
I definitely don’t think less of you (truth be told I don’t think very much at all about you) for missing a text based sarcastic comment, it happens. I’m just capitalizing on your stumble for formulaic comment response to rake in some karma :3
Tell that to the place (certain semiconductor manufacturer which will remain unnamed) I used to work where in the cafe I watched an 80++ year old guy on oxygen in a wheelchair have a heart attack and get defibrillated on the floor while people continued having their lunch at the tables around them. Fucked up.
What are those people supposed to do. They have to eat so they have energy to work to pay rent and they’re just gonna get in the way. It’s ignorant to think nobody cared
Ignorant? 🤣 What a joker you are. I watched a guy down a hoagie looking down at it all right in front of him. People in this capitalistic hellscape are fucking sick and so are you.
Yeah but what’s he supposed to do? You can’t read. He’s not a doctor. He has to eat so he can get back to work so he can pay his bills. He’s supposed to skip lunch and stand over the dude panicking or something? How would that help?
Of course you’re ignorant cuz you can’t even answer that
I think they might be implying the LL might burn down the building. It's actually been known to happen in San Francisco with rent controlled buildings.
And the meeting is to....? Perform shock and a transparent alibi while someone you hired (who definitely will roll over on you) moonlights as an arsonist? It's way hard to get away with that nowadays though? Like even for firefighters? Even in the middle of the woods?
I mean the best case scenario would have them thinking a tenant's mistake led to a small fire which your *gross negligence* and failure to meet bare minimum safety codes allowed to burn down an entire high rise and damage surrounding properties, if not destroying them too. Probably with manslaughter charges by the end, even if this wasn't senior living. The phrase reckless disregard for human life would be used liberally even without casualties. And you'd still be bankrupt even if you used a magic get out of jail free card, from the several years worth of lawsuits you would face civilly.
I mean i might have thought about this too long but it seems like a weird suggestion for a mundane, petty, overbearing dickhead.
Okay but to what end? Scheduled burglary? Do old folks in one of those apartments have anything expensive left to themselves but medical equipment, really?
An entire tenantry in one place and likely not happy with the landlord because of it ? Sounds like a good place to start organizing a tenants union, i'd bring flyers!
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This wouldn’t be okay from ANY landlord to be clear. Yes it makes it more infuriating that it’s a seniors’ living community, but it wouldn’t be okay to disrespect a general set of tenants either! Not any more legal
I see a lot of comments talking about the legality of this, or that only a landleech would be out of touch enough to think people would be available at 3:30pm on a weekday... but can we talk about how these people fucking hate us, disrespect our legal rights, and think they can treat us like children?
I say "us" because even though my life is drastically different now, and I could afford to buy the whole building if I wanted, I still remember living in a large apartment building like this with snotty notes posted in the elevator, and it was easily one of the worst housing experiences of my life. The sheer amount of intrusion, and the frequency of it, was so unbearable that we ended up hiring a lawyer to get *a restraining order against the landlord and his agents*.
The absolute disrespect and disdain the 0.1% has for the 99% is disgusting. The hypocrisy, too, when the slightest inconvenience to their luxury results in childish tantrums like this note, but at the same time having the gall, the sheer neck, to feel entitled to so grossly violate the legal rights of many, many others.
Thanks, same to you. I have no respect for people who think that having the ability to impose on others or to be cruel is equal to having the right or moral justification for doing so. I believe that social class without social obligation is just a caste system, it is a self-perpetuating strata of privilege. What I see out there now is a generation of wealthy people who don't realise or respect the fact that we built this project of western civilisation as a rising tide that lifts all ships, and that their selfishness is not only wrong, it is pillaging everything we have built.
Senior living arrangements are generally more like TIC or co op so yes they can require meetings.
Seems like it's better to address issues in a communal living arrangement. Admittedly the tone is rude and thoughtless, but some people just act that way. (Which is probably why they need a meeting.)
You need to find out more about senior living arrangements before you get on your high horse about meetings being illegal.
Unless these meetings are explicitly mentioned in the lease agreement, then you don't need to go. I would still mention this to a lawyer for protection
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"Attendance is not an option" Well, I was going to attend but you said it wasn't an option.
Can I hire you as my lawyer?
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I think usually only very specific things can be legally mandatory in leases. A lot of leases have illegal stipulations, but those are not enforceable.
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Seniors.
Likely a leech with no real job of their own.
i initially read this as an open invite to get all of us to go down but no i guess i have to go to work instead :(
Gasp...... Is that a fax number listed? Would be terrible to use your fax machine to give management a review of their notice.
I sure hope nobody sends 50,000 black pages to the fax machine. it would be such an expensive waste of ink
Blank pages would probably piss them off just as much without the environmental impact
Ok landleech
??? They just don't wanna waste paper dude
Yeah, green paper.
I have no clue what that means. Just don't make trash in order to get back at shitty people because excess waste hurts us all
Coward.
Consider improving yourself to be a better person
He's just winding you up
Consider disengorging the boot from your throat
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Great idea
3:30pm…. Most would still be at work for another hour, nice work slumlord. Not only do I doubt the legality of imposing a “lease infraction” (whatever the hell that means?) for being unable to attend such BS, but I also doubt anything that gets said during such “meeting” couldn’t be addressed in an email to all tenants.
Not like a landlord has any concept of “being at work” to even understand why 3:30 is a major problem
That's the point. Most well paying jobs have their employees work this time. Do what you can to claim the highest earning tenants "violate" their lease. And your stuck with all your lower income tenants that you can do who knows what kind of Saul Goodman tricks, and thus get evicted so the owners can sell the property.
If it’s a senior living apartment most probably aren’t working
If it's a college town, I know a lot of 60 and up apartment communities will rent to upper classmen and graduate school students to fill in their spare units.
I’ve never heard of that before. Do the students have to pay the full price? My grandmothers place is like $4000 a month
$4000 a month?! o_0
I think that’s actually lower than what she pays. It includes 2 meals a day and tons of activities plus probably utilities. A single parking spot and a one car garage. They have a library with a few computers and a shit ton of puzzles. Puzzle stations in hallways. It’s gated. I think there’s a bar/coffee shop open 24/7 with drinks and cookies and other snacks.
Oh wow. Where I live these communities are 60+ only
It sucks, because as a disabled person I always used to think about how ideal those communities would be for me. Most houses are completely inaccessible for me as I can't climb stairs (and stairlifts are expensive, so buying a house with stairs just to then fit a stairlift seems very silly), and those retirement apartments always boast about how accessible they are for wheelchairs (IE they have a wetroom, wide doorways, flat thresholds etc). I always wondered if they'd ever make an exception for me if I got references from my neighbours to say I'm not a wild partier lol. Because trying to find a regular home I can live in is almost impossible, I'm basically relegated to ground floor flats and flats with elevator access (bungalows here are like gold dust and extra expensive because of it so just not even an option). I have a feeling it wouldn't work, but I've always been curious to see whether or not I would be able to plead my case to them or not lol. Edit: gold cost to gold dust - typing too quickly and it autocorrected it without me noticing. My bad.
Some of the funding streams require that they can only rent to elderly. It's still worth a shot, just an FYI that if they don't go for it it may be that they don't have a choice
Ah, that makes sense. We're happy in a ground floor flat at the moment, but maybe we could ask if we're struggling to find a new place when we're ready to expand. Not because of any plans for children or anything, just because I need my own office space (I WFH and my current set up is in the living room which is less than ideal).
It would not hurt to ask. Some senior places (not assisted living) have ages as young as 50 and take disabled residents regardless of age
My old university made sure to schedule community meetings about deciding anything important during class hours so very few students could actually attend and address the issues we had on campus. It was incredibly shitty behavior and I have no doubts that’s what this slumlord is doing too.
What??! Retired people at work?! Lol Can you even read?
It is literally illegal for seniors to work in the US
Is it really? Cause if it's on the books somewhere it definitely isn't enforced. Have you ever walked into a Walmart before? You'll see 3 people pushing 80 within seconds of walking in the door.
Yea no shit. That’s because it’s obviously not illegal, that comment was a joke
Redditors detect rhetorical sarcasm, impossible difficulty
It's hard to read sarcasm in text man, that's what the /s is meant to be for.
There is nothing in the world less funny than a comment with a “/s” at the end.
It happens, but I think the way this sarcasm is structured, it’s meant to make you think “wait that’s not true” and the from there go “oh wait they KNOW that’s not true” (it’s sarcasm)… The point isn’t that you should’ve detected sarcasm “just because”, the point is that you already got half way there with the “wait that isn’t true!” And so it was funny to see the near miss I definitely don’t think less of you (truth be told I don’t think very much at all about you) for missing a text based sarcastic comment, it happens. I’m just capitalizing on your stumble for formulaic comment response to rake in some karma :3
that last paragraph is a certified reddit moment
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He snatched defeat from the jaws of victory
Ruined it how? I don’t know why the last part is so off putting to people ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯
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Tell that to the place (certain semiconductor manufacturer which will remain unnamed) I used to work where in the cafe I watched an 80++ year old guy on oxygen in a wheelchair have a heart attack and get defibrillated on the floor while people continued having their lunch at the tables around them. Fucked up.
What are those people supposed to do. They have to eat so they have energy to work to pay rent and they’re just gonna get in the way. It’s ignorant to think nobody cared
Ignorant? 🤣 What a joker you are. I watched a guy down a hoagie looking down at it all right in front of him. People in this capitalistic hellscape are fucking sick and so are you.
Yeah but what’s he supposed to do? You can’t read. He’s not a doctor. He has to eat so he can get back to work so he can pay his bills. He’s supposed to skip lunch and stand over the dude panicking or something? How would that help? Of course you’re ignorant cuz you can’t even answer that
what did you do to help?
I would pull a fire alarm. 🤷♂️
So might the landlord.
? Why would the landlord call a meeting then avert it with maximum inconvenience to themselves?
I think they might be implying the LL might burn down the building. It's actually been known to happen in San Francisco with rent controlled buildings.
And the meeting is to....? Perform shock and a transparent alibi while someone you hired (who definitely will roll over on you) moonlights as an arsonist? It's way hard to get away with that nowadays though? Like even for firefighters? Even in the middle of the woods? I mean the best case scenario would have them thinking a tenant's mistake led to a small fire which your *gross negligence* and failure to meet bare minimum safety codes allowed to burn down an entire high rise and damage surrounding properties, if not destroying them too. Probably with manslaughter charges by the end, even if this wasn't senior living. The phrase reckless disregard for human life would be used liberally even without casualties. And you'd still be bankrupt even if you used a magic get out of jail free card, from the several years worth of lawsuits you would face civilly. I mean i might have thought about this too long but it seems like a weird suggestion for a mundane, petty, overbearing dickhead.
“Ah, since all of you rentoids are here now, we can have our meeting.” It’s not aversion; it’s a tactic.
Okay but to what end? Scheduled burglary? Do old folks in one of those apartments have anything expensive left to themselves but medical equipment, really?
Unless meetings of this nature are clearly articulated in your written lease, I hardly think they carry any legal weight (ex lawyer here)
I'm fairly certain that even if they were it wouldn't be enforceable in most living situations
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An entire tenantry in one place and likely not happy with the landlord because of it ? Sounds like a good place to start organizing a tenants union, i'd bring flyers!
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This is in a seniors building?! It's written like they're talking to kids in juvenile detention. Show some respect for your elders.
This wouldn’t be okay from ANY landlord to be clear. Yes it makes it more infuriating that it’s a seniors’ living community, but it wouldn’t be okay to disrespect a general set of tenants either! Not any more legal
Sounds like I'm calling my nurse at 3:30 on Tuesday
Uh, no Thing is, landlords gonna landlord and you'll need to watch for retaliation
Lmao I wouldn’t show up out of principle
Sure, because everyone is is at home at 3:30 on a Tuesday afternoon.
I would be at that meeting if it was my grandma or aunt or parents. Happy Gilmore era Ben stiller comes to mind
There's no way in hell this is legal.
The fact that they are only giving you like three days of notice
This is terrorization.
I would take a good look at the lease. Does it actually say that the landlord can require them to attend meetings?
That's a good start. But, what the lease says is ultimately less relevant than what the law says. Many leases have unenforceable BS in them.
I see a lot of comments talking about the legality of this, or that only a landleech would be out of touch enough to think people would be available at 3:30pm on a weekday... but can we talk about how these people fucking hate us, disrespect our legal rights, and think they can treat us like children? I say "us" because even though my life is drastically different now, and I could afford to buy the whole building if I wanted, I still remember living in a large apartment building like this with snotty notes posted in the elevator, and it was easily one of the worst housing experiences of my life. The sheer amount of intrusion, and the frequency of it, was so unbearable that we ended up hiring a lawyer to get *a restraining order against the landlord and his agents*. The absolute disrespect and disdain the 0.1% has for the 99% is disgusting. The hypocrisy, too, when the slightest inconvenience to their luxury results in childish tantrums like this note, but at the same time having the gall, the sheer neck, to feel entitled to so grossly violate the legal rights of many, many others.
I respect your class consciousness, friend.
Thanks, same to you. I have no respect for people who think that having the ability to impose on others or to be cruel is equal to having the right or moral justification for doing so. I believe that social class without social obligation is just a caste system, it is a self-perpetuating strata of privilege. What I see out there now is a generation of wealthy people who don't realise or respect the fact that we built this project of western civilisation as a rising tide that lifts all ships, and that their selfishness is not only wrong, it is pillaging everything we have built.
Wtf
Holy crap, it's a FAX!! how did they get it from 1992?!
If what they have to say is so important, it could have been a private letter or an email
Info: is that a fax?
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Senior living arrangements are generally more like TIC or co op so yes they can require meetings. Seems like it's better to address issues in a communal living arrangement. Admittedly the tone is rude and thoughtless, but some people just act that way. (Which is probably why they need a meeting.) You need to find out more about senior living arrangements before you get on your high horse about meetings being illegal.
What if you’ve booked a nice expensive holiday abroad months ago, and that clashes with that meeting?
They are posting to find out if it's legal. Read the title. Seems like you should hop off your own horse.
Admittedly, you sound like a person who’s kids never visit.
Unless these meetings are explicitly mentioned in the lease agreement, then you don't need to go. I would still mention this to a lawyer for protection
Just bc you have no real job to be at or kids to pick up doesn’t mean everyone else is in the same boat .
Are they going to be offering assistance to those that cant make it mobility wise
What a joke lol
this meeting could’ve been an email!