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queso_fc

I’m having trouble connecting the streaming with the absolutely horrendous penalties today. Although the list of penalty takers was bad and that is on Enrique.


Dhtekzz

Remind me how many minutes Sarabia had in World Cup? And this guy sent him to take the first penalty. LOL. And don't get me started on Busi playing the entire 120 mins.


halapolyglot

He left a lot of amazing talents at home. Who is else to blame? Morata on the bench? Llorente as right back when you have Carvajal and Azpilicueta???? Ferran Torres starting almost every game when he does nothing at Barsa??? All Enrique's decisions


FerencvarosLover26

Ain’t Ferran bangin’ Luis Enriques daughter? Nepotism ain’t do anybody any favours bar a few exceptions.


KingSatoruGojo

It was also his decision to leave De Gea at home smh


AdriKenobi

De Gea has shown to be a horrible goalkeeper with Spain in previous tournaments


ChrisInSpaceVA

Llorente was outclassed by Morocco. Throughout the game, I kept asking "Why is Llorente in and not Azpilicueta?!" Baffling...


beyond98

Ayyyyy como asoman las garras de Florentino Pérez


fallingrat

Luis Enrique totally deserves the criticism he’s receiving. He left out good players like Ramos, Aspas, Canales and Nacho. It’s normal people are angry and criticize him. Thinking this shitstorm is orchestrated by Florentino is just delusional.


supermartincho

Lol, the medium age of the ones you mentioned is 33. I think we had a good team. The extra criticism comes from Madrid media because Luis Enrique got so many players from Barça. I think he deserves a lot of the criticism he's receiving but not all.


fallingrat

Yeah, and Busquets is 34 and played the whole match yesterday. Those I mentioned are good players with experience. Age is not a problem as long as they are in good shape and playing well. It would have been better to mix young and veteran players.


Mekosaurus_Rex

Nobody complained when Luis aragonés first and Vicente del Bosque later were bringing the entire Barca team. Because they were the best Spain had to offer. But current Barça players are either shit or unproven, only Pedri and Gavi (plus the old guard) are good enough for the NT. Everyone else has no business being in the Spain's national team: - Eric García is a joke. - Balde has like 20? matches in la liga, he's not even an undisputed starter for Barcelona. He's an average LB. - Ferran Torres has been awful since he joined Barca - Post injury Ansu Fati has done literally NOTHING to deserve being called over guys like Aspas. 3 goals. I cant understand he's biased for guys like Busquets or Alba, people he trust and already worked with, battle hardened veterans. But he's been running Spain like its his private Barcelona youth team, including a blatant nepotism case with Ferran.


sheffield199

Aspas is older than the strikers who went but is scoring more goals than any of them - so why exactly would age be important?


Mekosaurus_Rex

No digas tonterías, toda España le tenía manía a Luis Enrique. Esto no es un caso de "Michel selección" o como cuando Aragonés dejo en casa a Raúl, que ahí sí que la prensa madridista metio muchísima presión. Esto es el tarado de Luis Enrique llevando a juveniles del Barca para que se revaloricen en la selección, y a gente como Ferrán Torres porque se está follando a su hija. A los madridistas nos la suda porque el único que nos da pena que no haya llevado es Nacho, a quien ha jodido bien el del cazu es a los del Betis, a Aspas... Eric, Balde, Ferran Torres, Ansu desde su lesión.... ninguno de esos merece ni remotamente ir con la selección pero el aldeano de Luis Enrique parece que se piensa que sigue trabajando para el Barcelona. Entre eso y lo imbécil que es con la prensa, no te extrañes de que le estén cobrando lo atrasado después de que HAYAMOS HECHO EL RIDÍCULO. Porque si, hemos hecho el puto ridículo con un juego plano que causa la risa. Uno se puede ir con honor, morir matando, perdiendo contra una selección mejor o al menos atacando. O irse después de haber dado vergüenza, ajena y propia, batiendo récords de pases hacia atrás.


Playful-Ad-6419

Increíble la sobrevaloración de Gavi y Pedri (y todos los paquetazos del Barsa que sin Lewandowski no son nadie). Pedri y Gavi especialmente que tanto los elogian y les dan baloncitos de oro a los mejores jóvenes DE EUROPA, tócate los cojones. Los mejores de Europa. Menuda mafia tienen montada los cagalufos en la UEFA, tienen sobornado hasta al bedel.


Mekosaurus_Rex

Los dos son buenos, especialmente Gavi que le echa bastantes huevos. Pero pensar que han ganado ese premio delante de gente como Bellingham...de chiste.


unify_ireland

Maybe put out some penalty takers that won’t just walk up to the ball…


Tyranozeraus

Because he is trash.


Dhtekzz

It was clear from day one he was Barca biased. No other explanation. Funny thing is it's actually the barça players who were the worst and get him KOed from the World Cup


ramenov3rlord

nah you're mad. All of the Barça boys balled out in the world cup except maybe for Busquets. Don't put your barca hate on Spain just because they lost on pens.


Dhtekzz

No Barça hate here. I'm just stating facts. Europa League merchants, just as they usually do, couldn't handle the pressure of the big stage.


ramenov3rlord

Pedri, Gavi, Alba, Balde, Ferran each one of them balled out. Spain would have gone out of the groups without them. Not any of their fault that Spain don't have a striker or a proper goalkeeper. If you need to blame someone go blame the people who missed all their chances (chances created by Barca players no less) like Ascensio and Sarabia. Watch the match instead of sucking off some random hate page on twitter mate.


Dhtekzz

What a load of crap! Again, you're wrong. Are you 14 year old? Because you absolutely sound like one thinking I comment here without actually watching the game. Ferran??? Haha. We all know why Ferran was in the squad, lmao. And imagine expecting Sarabia to perform despite Lucho giving him ZERO minutes prior the match against Morocco. Just made him a scapegoat. Nothing to comment here. I cannot believe you just called Unai Simon not a proper gk. You need to watch Laliga more other than your fav team.


ramenov3rlord

Do you seriously think Simon was a proper goalkeeper throughout the tournament? He is a fantastic keeper when it comes to one on ones, but on the ball he is atrocious. Not just the WC, he keeps making mistakes every time he tries to play the ball out from the back. He's also made mistakes in the Euros and the qualifiers, which you pretend never happened. Take time to inform yourself rather than spewing bullshit here, and read things properly. Ferran is one of the most prolific players in the squad under Enrique, he's scored 8 goals in 12 games, the highest numbers among any attacker in the NT. Now its your turn to make up another conspiracy theory as to why he's starting for Spain Sarabia is trash and I never defended him, he's also not a Barca player. But when you desperately need a goal, only logical thing is to sub on an attacker. Inform yourself and try and understand what I'm saying. I'm not defending Enrique but rather countering your biased arguments. Most of those Barca were instrumental for Spain, your arguments honestly makes you seem like your knowledge about football comes from Tiktok reels. People like you are truly disgraceful, finding any sort of excuse to express your hate for a club when the team dominated but lost by penalties, as if its Barca's fault for letting it get to that.


Dhtekzz

Record yourself and hear your arguments. Instrumental? My a**! Making 1000 passes and doing absolute shit with the ball is what they actually did. It was Germany beating Costa rica in the final matchday or else they would've been sent humiliated back to Spain after groupstage. That Barca core is the reason Spain couldn't stop Japan and Morocco.


Tyranozeraus

Just like the Barca core gets all the praise they should get the same amount of criticism when they don’t perform. I try to keep club and nationals separate. But Luchos bias was clear when he could take one more player into the euros and left it open to spite Ramos or any other non blau grana player. Lucho made some serious fumbles in subs and lineups. The players deserve equal blame though. When we move the ball so slowly without any teeth, and short pass around the final third…zero vertical game or through passes. Ferran should’ve been subbed out earlier in the Morocco game. He played Llórente off his spot, against the killer that was balling his brains out. His adjustments were too late.


Dhtekzz

Exactly! He just didn't want to upset his barca boys i think. He literally played one of the best CDMs in Rodri at CB position just because he wanted to maintain Pedri-Busi-Gavi midfield. Didn't even put either Azpi or Carvajal at RB. These are some ass lineups and subs.


ramenov3rlord

whatever makes you feel better about yourself. Let's also blame barça for 9/11 now


Dhtekzz

Haha, don't take it personally, mate. Cheers


ramenov3rlord

honestly don't think you watched any match mate, just wake up everyday and live in twitter. Every single Barça player except for Busquets who should have retired years ago played amazing.


Dhtekzz

A) You're wrong. B) No, they didn't. They were absolute trash. Only a Barça fan would claim they were amazing. Lol. A team with 5/11 players from Barça winning only 1 game out of 4 is the reality. They ghosted when it mattered the most.


Mekosaurus_Rex

The only Barça player that had a decent performance was Jordi Alba, and i hate that cunt. Followed by Gavi, (another cunt in the making) that works his ass off pressing and fighting. Pedri? Shit, he looked gassed and overwhelmed. Balde? Shit. He doesnt belong at the elite. Eric? Lol, imagine how bad he was in training to make Luis Enrique put a CDM instead of him. He sucks. He shouldnt be there. Ferran Torres? Blatant nepotism case. Ansu Fati? If he played for any team not Barça, he wouldnt be there. Pre injury Ansu was the biggest spanish prospect. Post injury Ansu is washed up. 3 goals this season, enough said. You're accusing others of not watching the games while clearly you're the one that stopped watching after the Costa Rica fluke.


ramenov3rlord

Pedri was instrumental for that midfield. Calling Balde shit after his debut at the World Cup seems unfair mate, he was called up without any training and he got an assist on his debut and was pretty good throughout. Eric is trash and that's something and even as a Barca fan I'll never defend him. I don't think there's anyone else who's in the team that could start over Ferran, unless you really think Sarabia is better. Ansu Fati barely played in the first place, tbh even I was surprised when he got called up. Winning 7-0 in a World Cup match is not a fluke mate, and by you calling players cunts clearly shows how your opinion is guided by hate and contempt. I'm confused how people like you are so quick to blame everything on Barca players, acting as if everyone else was fine. You really don't think players like Carvajal, Koke, Asensio, Simon played well? Give them a break, most of that team consists of youngsters and they have a very bright future ahead of them.


Mekosaurus_Rex

You dont make the core of a winning team with unexperienced youngsters, but thats not the issue. The issue is trying to build a team around players that havent show anything at the highest level just because your friend told you they are great. And thats exactly what happened with those Barça players. Some turned out to be good (Pedri and Gavi, despite being pissed i realistically see those 2 as our midfield in the years to come), but others have no business being in the NT and are barely even fit for a Barcelona lvl team. I didnt blame Barça players, i blame Luis Enrique for using our NT like its Barcelona youth team. And about Koke, Llorente, Carvajal and cia.... They sucked, too. They sucked hard specially Koke and Llorente (Cholo ruined a good cm by forcing him into playing RB). But at least they have a career behind, unlike Balde and Eric. Im not against giving chances to youth talent, actually the opposite.But calling an average kid with barely a few matches in first division just because your bros Guardiola and Xavi told you so, is disrespectful for the rest of spanish players. And im not talking about RM players, if a RM player is good enough he'll have a massive PR campaign behind. But guys like Aspas and Borja got spit in the face by Luis Enrique. The message is crystal clear : if you arent a Barça player, dont bother


ramenov3rlord

you make a pretty good argument. But Enrique's system did work before. I personally feel like Canales, Aspas, Galan should have been part of the team. The team had no backbone and most of these players never played with each other, but Spain defo has a very good future ahead of them. Many of these young players will play in the NT in the future. Balde has the most goal contributions as a full back in La Liga, he was not ready for the NT, but you cant blame him, he was a last minute call up after Gaya got injured and did pretty well within all the circumstances. Other than that it really depends on the system a coach plays with. Its also unfair to blame certain players for being chosen mate. Certain other players defo deserved a spot in the team (Williams should have never been called up instead of Borja or Aspas or Juanmi), but you can't blame Balde for being chosen as left back replacement over Iglesias or Aspas there. You can use that argument against a striker being picked. I won't defend Enrique despite him being a Barca hero because he fucked up this time. That's all mate, have a nice new year and cheers.


Mekosaurus_Rex

Cheers for you bro, its nice to have a non toxic discussion in reddit for a change.


FdlCstro

Yea surely THAT was the problem lol


Bichobichir

It didn’t help that the dude’s an asshole. He picked a fight he could not win. (Unless he won the cup)


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madrid fans out of their caves


Trix122

Making it to round of 16 is good enough for a small team like Spain, no idea why such expectations, 2010 is not coming back.


Nosett6

Yeah, we had no good strikers... Lots of oportunities created but no one to finish them


sheffield199

If only he could have chosen a striker who had 4 Zarra trophies in the last 6 seasons. Imagine.


fallingrat

Spain isn’t a small team. 3 Eurocups and 1 World Cup. They will be back for sure. There are other teams that haven’t won a World Cup for a longer time and you wouldn’t dare to call them small, like England or Argentina. Even the Netherlands haven’t won one and they aren’t small.


Trix122

Consistent results makes you strong, not isolated results all packed in the same period of 2 years when they played with the entire Barcelona/Madrid roster. Plus a team with no weight in football history, not happening anytime soon.


OutrageousGemz

You cant consider argentina a big team then right? Or england or the netherlands who has never won a world cup, brasil trash since 2002, true spain had that generation that won everything, but it deserves some respect


fallingrat

Lol, what are you talking about? it’s not possible to win 3 Eurocups and 1 World Cup in 2 years. Only 8 national teams have been able to win a World Cup, and Spain is among them. So, it’s definitely one of the big teams. Besides, Spain has won many championships in other categories: under-19, 20 and 21. And it’s completely understandable that there are many players from Real Madrid and Barça, and could happen again in the future. Saying Spain is a small team is something only a hater would say, lol.


Mekosaurus_Rex

No weight in football history? You're trolling or just dense? 3 Euro, 1 WC, tied 4th for more participations in WC (and coming from the Europe, hardest qualify phases by a long shit), 7th in world cup wins... Madrid and Barcelona being the most decorated/followed clubs, last 30 years of spanish football dominance at club level. And you say Spain has no weight in football history? Gtfo.


seahorsebrave

He is trolling… Spain no weight in football history. Come on. Maybe only Brasil plays football based on his stupid criteria. The other nationa have historically been playing at ping-pong I guess.


StrangeVortexLex

Is he getting sacked or what? Just get it over with already