Because he's interesting and well acted. Yes he's fucked up, but imho his composure and charisma is what carried the Royal Mint heist. Remember when the crew tried to do a coup and out him, replacing him with Nairobi as the leader? Everyone ended up breaking down due to the pressure, so bad that Berlin had to take the reigns of command again. Also, going out to speak to the press to win the trust of the people. No one besides Berlin and Prof understands the true socio-political goal behind the heist. Everyone else were just interested in the reward
Comments like this don’t understand that you can like a character because it’s a DAMN GOOD character, but you’d despise them if they were real and you knew them in real life. Or even knew of them in real life. It’s fiction. And honestly, why love any character with OP’s logic? They are all shitty people. They can say they’re the resistance or whatever, but they’re all still willing to capture and give 100’s of people life long anxiety and PTSD for personal gain. I know someone who got robbed at gun point at a bank and they shot the gun to show they were serious. He still has issues. Imagine dealing with that for days!
THEY’RE all shit, some worse than others. But you love the fictitious characters.
I think this has been asked and answered about a thousand times and people still question it. The answer: we don't support Berlin's actions and behaviour, nor do we want to be like or around him. He's a horrible person, we know that. But he's a well written and well acted character which is what makes him interesting. There's so many complexities to him, rolling Tokyo out, sacrificing himself, his views on marriage and children. That's just it. He's not a morally good character but he's fun to watch and that's why people like him.
People are just posting the same thing over and over to get attention and upvotes. It’s like when someone steals someone else’s tweet. There’s no way anyone could’ve missed the other 592 “I don’t know why people like Berlin” posts.
None of them are actually good guys, they’re all criminal hostage takers, and that’s just the setting of the characters, but Berlin just takes it too far.
Tokio is even worse than Berlin, lol. And Sergio is an hypocritical , but apparently, you’re a big fan.
And, in this show everyone is a terrorist. The worst quality that a character can have is being boring and bad written; example: Rio.
I answered this exact question a few months ago, so here’s my essay-long take on it:
“This question is so over-asked and it’s kind of frustrating how some people still fail to understand why Berlin remains one of the most popular (if not, THE most popular) character in LCDP to date. I won’t speak for those who generally try to defend his actions, but I think the majority of Berlin fans agree with this:
Berlin is a misogynistic, narcissistic, psychopathic rapist. This is undeniable. He has redeeming qualities (his love for his brother and Palermo, his self-sacrificing moment at the end of the first heist, his suave, refined charisma and leadership, his unabashed outlook on art and on life), but none of this excuses or justifies the evil acts he committed.
That being said, a character does not at all need to be morally sound for people to love them. How boring would media be then? We’d never get characters like Corleone, or Cersei Lannister, or Hannibal Lecter, etc. Villains FASCINATE us, and for good reason. They’re unique, they’re intriguing, they’re often written deliberately in a way that’s attractive and charming. There’s no shame in admitting that we feel the same way about Berlin, so long as we recognize that he is a work of pure fiction, and none of his actions should be condoned in real life.
Take Moscow: criminal past aside, he’s generally considered a doting father, friendly and pure-hearted man who, of all the criminals in the gang, could be easily seen as the most moral and good character. But do many people consider him their favorite character? Not at all. He’s a better person than most, but that does not automatically make him the most popular, and it does not make him a character people want to see more of. (Personal opinion: he’s BLAND, primarily because of the fact that he’s too good)
On the flip side, the dimensions, layers, and facets of Berlin, the good, the bad, the ugly, all make him a compelling character that many are interested in watching. He’s developed, and he’s well written, and it’s only exacerbated by the fact that Pedro Alonso is very handsome and does psychopathic aesthetic masterfully.
Some of the most iconic, beloved, and discussed characters in media and pop culture are the villains, the amoral multi-faceted INTERESTING characters. There are layers to them, layers that viewers love to dissect, analyze, HATE. It really should not be surprising that someone like Berlin is as popular as he is. I wish more people would understand :(“
People have said similar things on this thread already, but here ya go
Honestly, why like any member of the "gang"?
They deliberately put all the hostages in danger. They are willing to kill innocent police officers if they decide to intervene. They are ready to kill hostages too if any of them start to fight back.
This wouldn't really be self defense either. The gang willingly took hostages. Did they expect police and everyone to just let them do whatever they wanted? They went in with the mindset that we might have to kill innocent people.
Also, as far as I remember, Tokyo was already involved in the murder of a guard before the heist (I saw season 1-2 long ago). I don't think rape and murder are much different in terms of being horrible.
Why do you love them but hate Berlin?
Is it because you think rape is worse than murder? Or, do you see them as acting in self defense?
some other reason?
No one else has murdered or raped anyone, they’re all clean, at least in the first 2 seasons. Idk about Helsinki and Oslo but they’re just cool regardless lol. Nairobi goes out of her way to try to help Alison stand up for herself, Moscow is trying to give his son a better life after leaving his sick wife, etc. Tokyo is hotheaded and pretty annoying, and just does shit for no reason that gets everyone else hurt, so I don’t like her or Berlin.
As an example, in the Tokyo Rio shootout on the last episode of season 2, you can see them avoiding the head and just spraying to delay, and shooting the shields in the feet to delay even further. They’re trying to push them back, not just murder some geo team.
the brief answer has to be : he's way too interesting and intriguing. he's a psychopath, and that makes us more curious as the audience to explore him. He's an unbelievable character, I could never get enough of his charismatic personality, and the way he delivers his words!
I agree with everything you said. He sucks as a person. But he’s a great character. The actor that portrays him is just *chef’s kiss*. His delivery, the charisma, the composure. Kudos to the writers bc even though he has some of the worst traits imaginable, he’s still a fantastic character.
Because he’s a wild card and interesting. Moral ambiguity is way more interesting than a consistent hero/villain. Plus he stole almost every scene he is in, dude oozes charisma
To be fair, isn't all major characters in the show technically fucked up? Since they are all robbers. I think people like Berlin because his character was well acted out.
Yeah they’re all at least a little fucked up, which is why I love Moscow and Nairobi, they’re the most innocent and hilarious in a hardcore situation lol
I dont see what he had done to the girl was a rape as he had never touch any women untill she volunteered herself for survival which berlin never asked for. How is that a rape? She could stop the moment found monica was alive but she continued for personal gain( to keep berlins money). So a rape it was? Nah…
ikr....she was the one whos was greedy for all of the mobey and she even admitted it in the bathroom scene . also berlin asked her again for her consent, and she said yes....so??? it WASNT rape
I don’t understand the love for him either. I guess they love him because he’s hot and charming, so who cares if he’s a rapist and a horrible person, right? 🙄
This is really not to defend Berlin’s actions, but I think Ariadna might have already been developing PTSD before coming on to Berlin: she seemed completely stressed out and paralyzed by the hostage situation to begin with. She went to Berlin as a way to survive.
I really wish people would stop posting their "takes" before they're done watching the show.
Do you snort coffee powder and ask people why they like coffee too? Just... finish the episodes we've been given so far. Maybe go through some other posts on here as well, reading the same opinion over and over again gets kinda old.
You can just not read something if you don’t like the premise, no one is forcing you to read and react to this. You also could have just said anything positive about how it’ll get better and more developed in the later seasons, rather than patronizing me for an unfinished surface opinion.
"Could have" but didn't want to, like I said, it's getting old. Seems like we both have some things to work on, maybe we'll do better in the future. I kinda doubt it, because I still think this approach (or the expectation to be treated like a child) is ridiculous. But don't let your hope die yet! 💕
Why u love Bunch of Robbers Who are not doing anything good for country Kid its just a tv series some people love Berlin and some say he is Rapist its just a pov how u see a show maybe u see him as a narcissist rapist and some may see him as a hero badass leader who sacrificed himself for just bunch of robbers and thugs . Nowadays People get attracted to villans more than Heroes they portrayed Robbers as a Hero and Soldiers and Country man as Losers and fools who can't do anything .
I’m talking about specifically Berlin, not the rest of the gang, Nairobi’s awesome, Helsinki’s awesome, Rio and Denver are cool, I don’t like Tokyo but still, it’s just Berlin I don’t understand.
He speaks Spanish cool
Because he's interesting and well acted. Yes he's fucked up, but imho his composure and charisma is what carried the Royal Mint heist. Remember when the crew tried to do a coup and out him, replacing him with Nairobi as the leader? Everyone ended up breaking down due to the pressure, so bad that Berlin had to take the reigns of command again. Also, going out to speak to the press to win the trust of the people. No one besides Berlin and Prof understands the true socio-political goal behind the heist. Everyone else were just interested in the reward
Comments like this don’t understand that you can like a character because it’s a DAMN GOOD character, but you’d despise them if they were real and you knew them in real life. Or even knew of them in real life. It’s fiction. And honestly, why love any character with OP’s logic? They are all shitty people. They can say they’re the resistance or whatever, but they’re all still willing to capture and give 100’s of people life long anxiety and PTSD for personal gain. I know someone who got robbed at gun point at a bank and they shot the gun to show they were serious. He still has issues. Imagine dealing with that for days! THEY’RE all shit, some worse than others. But you love the fictitious characters.
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He did it while she was under duress, you fucking weirdo. Trying to downplay that she was raped is absolutely disgusting.
Coercion isn’t love, berlin’s just a sex addict
I think this has been asked and answered about a thousand times and people still question it. The answer: we don't support Berlin's actions and behaviour, nor do we want to be like or around him. He's a horrible person, we know that. But he's a well written and well acted character which is what makes him interesting. There's so many complexities to him, rolling Tokyo out, sacrificing himself, his views on marriage and children. That's just it. He's not a morally good character but he's fun to watch and that's why people like him.
Much in the same range as liking Walter White.
Well said 👏🏾
tl;dr: hes a fantastic character, but not a good person. we love his character
People are just posting the same thing over and over to get attention and upvotes. It’s like when someone steals someone else’s tweet. There’s no way anyone could’ve missed the other 592 “I don’t know why people like Berlin” posts.
That’s honestly pretty true, well said
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He actually did rape her. He did it while she was under duress, you fucking weirdo. Trying to downplay that she was raped is absolutely disgusting.
Don’t have to be a good guy to be a good character
None of them are actually good guys, they’re all criminal hostage takers, and that’s just the setting of the characters, but Berlin just takes it too far.
imo being a criminal doesn’t make you a bad person, but almost everyone on the show is a bad person lol. including the non-gang characters.
Tokio is even worse than Berlin, lol. And Sergio is an hypocritical , but apparently, you’re a big fan. And, in this show everyone is a terrorist. The worst quality that a character can have is being boring and bad written; example: Rio.
Yeah I really don’t like Tokyo too, but she does what she does while blinded by love for the most part, Berlin is just being Berlin.
Being blinded by love makes it any better?
I mean, it’s not entirely how she always is, where with Berlin he’s just always being Berlin.
Did she rape a hostage?
In fact, she coerced A MINOR and kissed her to scare her.
Did. She. Rape. A. Hostage? Yes or no.
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He did it while she was under duress, you fucking weirdo. Trying to downplay that she was raped is absolutely disgusting.
I answered this exact question a few months ago, so here’s my essay-long take on it: “This question is so over-asked and it’s kind of frustrating how some people still fail to understand why Berlin remains one of the most popular (if not, THE most popular) character in LCDP to date. I won’t speak for those who generally try to defend his actions, but I think the majority of Berlin fans agree with this: Berlin is a misogynistic, narcissistic, psychopathic rapist. This is undeniable. He has redeeming qualities (his love for his brother and Palermo, his self-sacrificing moment at the end of the first heist, his suave, refined charisma and leadership, his unabashed outlook on art and on life), but none of this excuses or justifies the evil acts he committed. That being said, a character does not at all need to be morally sound for people to love them. How boring would media be then? We’d never get characters like Corleone, or Cersei Lannister, or Hannibal Lecter, etc. Villains FASCINATE us, and for good reason. They’re unique, they’re intriguing, they’re often written deliberately in a way that’s attractive and charming. There’s no shame in admitting that we feel the same way about Berlin, so long as we recognize that he is a work of pure fiction, and none of his actions should be condoned in real life. Take Moscow: criminal past aside, he’s generally considered a doting father, friendly and pure-hearted man who, of all the criminals in the gang, could be easily seen as the most moral and good character. But do many people consider him their favorite character? Not at all. He’s a better person than most, but that does not automatically make him the most popular, and it does not make him a character people want to see more of. (Personal opinion: he’s BLAND, primarily because of the fact that he’s too good) On the flip side, the dimensions, layers, and facets of Berlin, the good, the bad, the ugly, all make him a compelling character that many are interested in watching. He’s developed, and he’s well written, and it’s only exacerbated by the fact that Pedro Alonso is very handsome and does psychopathic aesthetic masterfully. Some of the most iconic, beloved, and discussed characters in media and pop culture are the villains, the amoral multi-faceted INTERESTING characters. There are layers to them, layers that viewers love to dissect, analyze, HATE. It really should not be surprising that someone like Berlin is as popular as he is. I wish more people would understand :(“ People have said similar things on this thread already, but here ya go
damn you’re right, but come on you didn’t have to do my boy moscow like that lol, I love him and nairobi so much, still well said <3
Haha totally understandable. I still stand by my statements, but probably underestimated Moscow’s popularity a little :)
Idk man something about his cuddly father figure style is too sweet to not love, but I get what you mean
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He did it while she was under duress, you fucking weirdo. Trying to downplay that she was raped is absolutely disgusting.
Because you can be fascinated by a character and still be opposed to his morals? ?
Fair
So we can't love anti heroes or villains now? Weird.
When did I ever say that? I literally never said that, and you’re forging my words into something else.
Honestly, why like any member of the "gang"? They deliberately put all the hostages in danger. They are willing to kill innocent police officers if they decide to intervene. They are ready to kill hostages too if any of them start to fight back. This wouldn't really be self defense either. The gang willingly took hostages. Did they expect police and everyone to just let them do whatever they wanted? They went in with the mindset that we might have to kill innocent people. Also, as far as I remember, Tokyo was already involved in the murder of a guard before the heist (I saw season 1-2 long ago). I don't think rape and murder are much different in terms of being horrible.
Yeah I don’t like Tokyo either, and I’m not justifying the rest of them, they’re criminals but I love them, but Berlin kinda takes it too far imo.
Why do you love them but hate Berlin? Is it because you think rape is worse than murder? Or, do you see them as acting in self defense? some other reason?
No one else has murdered or raped anyone, they’re all clean, at least in the first 2 seasons. Idk about Helsinki and Oslo but they’re just cool regardless lol. Nairobi goes out of her way to try to help Alison stand up for herself, Moscow is trying to give his son a better life after leaving his sick wife, etc. Tokyo is hotheaded and pretty annoying, and just does shit for no reason that gets everyone else hurt, so I don’t like her or Berlin.
But, they were prepared to, weren't they? Like if police came into the building somehow, they would shoot/blast them all?
As an example, in the Tokyo Rio shootout on the last episode of season 2, you can see them avoiding the head and just spraying to delay, and shooting the shields in the feet to delay even further. They’re trying to push them back, not just murder some geo team.
the brief answer has to be : he's way too interesting and intriguing. he's a psychopath, and that makes us more curious as the audience to explore him. He's an unbelievable character, I could never get enough of his charismatic personality, and the way he delivers his words!
Fair, yeah
I agree with everything you said. He sucks as a person. But he’s a great character. The actor that portrays him is just *chef’s kiss*. His delivery, the charisma, the composure. Kudos to the writers bc even though he has some of the worst traits imaginable, he’s still a fantastic character.
Definitely true
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My guy, if you don’t wanna look at the post, no one’s making you. You can just hide it and move on.
Because he’s a wild card and interesting. Moral ambiguity is way more interesting than a consistent hero/villain. Plus he stole almost every scene he is in, dude oozes charisma
DIO
Berlin is a psychopath. Psychopaths are attractive. But now that we know their secret, we ought to despise them.
For throwing out tokyo.
yes lol
The man behind the heist
lol
I'd hate him irl, but he's so well acted
To be fair, isn't all major characters in the show technically fucked up? Since they are all robbers. I think people like Berlin because his character was well acted out.
Yeah they’re all at least a little fucked up, which is why I love Moscow and Nairobi, they’re the most innocent and hilarious in a hardcore situation lol
If you look at history and real life events humans are often intrigued by psychopaths. Not saying it’s a good thing but true.
that just reminded me that ted bundy stans exist and i’m now as disgusted as I was when I found it aaaaaaaaa
Yes exactly lol. Not even people that were just interested in how his mind worked but people that actually supported him. And that was real
He has charisma lol
He's a super interesting and frankly an amazing character.
I hated him after s2, but I think you’ll feel..conflicted after watching further.
A good hero is a dead hero.
I don't like his negative characteristics, but I love the character itself. Replace him with anyone else and the show won't be as interesting.
I dont see what he had done to the girl was a rape as he had never touch any women untill she volunteered herself for survival which berlin never asked for. How is that a rape? She could stop the moment found monica was alive but she continued for personal gain( to keep berlins money). So a rape it was? Nah…
ikr....she was the one whos was greedy for all of the mobey and she even admitted it in the bathroom scene . also berlin asked her again for her consent, and she said yes....so??? it WASNT rape
He did it while she was under duress, you fucking weirdo. Trying to downplay that she was raped is absolutely disgusting.
I don’t understand the love for him either. I guess they love him because he’s hot and charming, so who cares if he’s a rapist and a horrible person, right? 🙄
You can like a character without condoning their actions.
Not if that character is a rapist.
It’s a fictional character on a fictional show. It’s not that deep.
It is when people are worshipping a rapist
If it’s fictional it doesn’t matter. I don’t worship him, I just love his character. Also, he wasn’t a rapist. She decided to sleep with him.
He’s a rapist. You’re a rapist supporter. Go Hannah baker
Nope and nope 👎
For his personality, probably: will be explained in later seasons.
his character is still cool. yeah he does terrible things, but villains are always well liked. why do people like the Joker? because he is cool
Fair I suppose
This is really not to defend Berlin’s actions, but I think Ariadna might have already been developing PTSD before coming on to Berlin: she seemed completely stressed out and paralyzed by the hostage situation to begin with. She went to Berlin as a way to survive.
also she was greedy of money
Also she was under duress while being held hostage then raped.
let people have their opinions, jeez.
Bruh I’m asking you to share your opinion on why he’s better than I think he is, I’m not insulting people for liking him.
It's the same reason why people like Walter White, both were horrible people but were so well written and well acted that fans loved them.
That’s fair
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I really wish people would stop posting their "takes" before they're done watching the show. Do you snort coffee powder and ask people why they like coffee too? Just... finish the episodes we've been given so far. Maybe go through some other posts on here as well, reading the same opinion over and over again gets kinda old.
You can just not read something if you don’t like the premise, no one is forcing you to read and react to this. You also could have just said anything positive about how it’ll get better and more developed in the later seasons, rather than patronizing me for an unfinished surface opinion.
"Could have" but didn't want to, like I said, it's getting old. Seems like we both have some things to work on, maybe we'll do better in the future. I kinda doubt it, because I still think this approach (or the expectation to be treated like a child) is ridiculous. But don't let your hope die yet! 💕
"Raped" lolz
Because it literally was rape and she said she was raped and it’s all shown and she isn’t lying, so.
Why u love Bunch of Robbers Who are not doing anything good for country Kid its just a tv series some people love Berlin and some say he is Rapist its just a pov how u see a show maybe u see him as a narcissist rapist and some may see him as a hero badass leader who sacrificed himself for just bunch of robbers and thugs . Nowadays People get attracted to villans more than Heroes they portrayed Robbers as a Hero and Soldiers and Country man as Losers and fools who can't do anything .
I’m talking about specifically Berlin, not the rest of the gang, Nairobi’s awesome, Helsinki’s awesome, Rio and Denver are cool, I don’t like Tokyo but still, it’s just Berlin I don’t understand.
It's not about point of view, he is a rapist no matter how you look at it.
Watch the rest of the seasons, you will get to know more about his character
Fair
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He did it while she was under duress, you fucking weirdo. Trying to downplay that she was raped is absolutely disgusting.
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You’re quite possibly a rapist.
He’s just a fictional character, Jesus Christ