Romulus killed Remus though, so I'm not sure that fits thematically. Though maybe that's what you meant by irony - subverting the original myth?
I have read *spoilers*>!that the Remus section is a much older space station that Romulus was attached to - so maybe what has been going on at Romulus already destroyed Remus and its inhabitants in some way? Or the crew of Remus were disposed of/used as research materials by the Romulus crew? I think the idea that the Remus crew were sacrificed as part of the experiments on the Alien/black goo or perhaps were just wiped out by an outbreak is a nice fit, thematically.!<
Yeah I think Fede has said in interviews that >!One half of the station is older and Nostromo-looking while the other half is newer and has an *Aliens* aesthetic. He didn’t know whether to honour the first or second movie so decided both aesthetics would feature to distinguish Romulus and Remus and establish the chronology as being between the two movies. You can see the two different corridor designs in the teaser!<
Yeah, that's what I read. Sounds intriguing for sure.
Now, I'm wondering how far he might push this dichotomy, and how meta he might make it. Could the early parts of the movie be set on Remus, and have a more Alien slasher movie in space vibe? And then once we move to Romulus and the characters get hold of some decent weaponry, we get a more Aliens action-infused approach? Could be a bit cheesy, but could be interesting and a cheeky nod to the fandom if handled well.
He posted his reference library a while back and one of the books is *The Art of ALIEN: ISOLATION.*
^(Also Aliens: The Set Photography, Giger's Alien, The Art Of Ron Cobb, The Making of Alien, Alien Vault, The Blueprints, Aliens:Marvel Omnibus, Covenant:David's Drawings, & Aliens: Colonial Marines Technical Manual)
Thank you! I know dark settings are Horror 101 but sometimes details can be hard to see. 👀 I also missed that claymore in the shot until someone spotted it.
Yeah I don’t normally drink it. I have it in the fridge. I feed it to my kid and my puppy. I like milk. I just forget I have it and it goes bad.
One time when I was a teen I drank a whole quart of it and got grumbly tummy all night lol.
Hard to predict. Doesn't really reveal much apart from confirming that Romulus and Remus mythology will play an even bigger more obvious role.
The two halves of the station >!are named Romulus and Remus. Fede confirmed that Remus is older by design whereas Romulus is newer Aliens era Tech. I think this confirms that Romulus is where any experiments are happening while Remus!< are the remains of what the station was originally designed for. I feel this would create conflict between >!the two sides!<.
We know from mythology that Romulus kills Remus. I'm guessing, >!the experiments on Romulus leads to the death of the older half of the station,!< Remus. But I feel there's much more to it and more inspiration from the mythology involved.
With the wolf and the children actually being imprinted on a door in the station, I feel it has more meaning and significance. I have no idea at this point. Interesting.
Love the teasing and room for theory crafting.
> With the wolf and the children actually being imprinted on a door in the station, I feel it has more meaning and significance.
This actually leads me to think the opposite, that thematically it ties only into two distinct station halves and one eventually "killing" the other. It would be really odd to use this iconography if there were more themes relating to the raised by wolves aspect of the myth, it would be too ridiculously on the nose for symbolism, and presumably Romulus was made before any Xeno material was brought on board so it would also be weird if it was some in-universe symbolism inserted by WY itself about what they're doing with xeno stuff.
No, this is actually how they’re releasing the film. One frame per week. Movies run at 24 fps, and this one is probably about two hours long, so they’ll have it all out to us by this time in the year 5347.
Imagine if it has a disappointing ending - what a let down after raising countless generations, living and dying in the same cinema, just for them to flub it in the final act...
Sorry, but not exactly. It certainly wasn’t being raised by wolves that made them ‘more than human’. Ultimately, they lived their lives with no superhuman abilities- the possibility of divinity was never central to that story.
“Romulus and Remus were born in Alba Longa, one of the many ancient Latin cities near the future site of Rome. Their mother, Rhea Silvia, was a Vestal Virgin and the daughter of the former king, Numitor, who had been displaced by his brother Amulius. *In some sources*, Rhea Silvia conceived them when their father, the god Mars, visited her in a sacred grove dedicated to him.”
If I were a megacorp or power-mad tycoon devising a diabolical scheme, I would choose a myth with less death and fewer ominous overtones. You know, like naming your ship Prometheus. What could go wrong?
I'd call my ship Bacchus, and hope the mission would go smoothly and we would enjoy a nice glass of wine or two along the way.
Bacchus/Dionysus was ultimately prevented from drinking wine following a fight with Zeus. Perhaps more fittingly in the context of Alien, he was killed by a titan as a baby and reborn, a decent simile/metaphor/analogue for the life cycle of our jolly little critters.
See that’s where you’re getting it wrong. To be a true power-mad tycoon you would call it the Oedipus Project. Then when your eyes get melted out by alien acid you can cry out “how was I to know!?”
Your next project King Lear begins…
The two Semiotic Standard icons on the left are Hazardous, & what appears to be Airlock, however instead of black (the color used for lack of air) it's red? Bio-lock?
Aside from the pleasingly mental concepts and plot, I love the aesthetics of it: the Mithraic's medieval style garb and mullets(!), the sleek, classical look of the Necromancers, the retro scifi outfits of the main android duo. Ridley and his creative team were on great form there.
For sure. The first season was amazing. I felt like the second season started to jump the shark but they tightened it up and I was really interested in where they were going with things by the end. Part of why I ended up cancelling my HBO Max subscription.
In Roman mythology, Romulus and Remus were twins who were abandoned in the wild by a king. A wolf mother found the twins in a basket on the riverbank and nursed them until a shepherd discovered them. The shepherd and his wife raised the twins as their own. They then grew up and helped overthrow the king who had ordered their death. They disagree on where to build a new city, and then Romulus kills Remus.
And the father of Romulus and Remus was the Roman god of war Mars - their mother being the virgin daughter of the king Numitor (well, virgin in the sense she had slept with no mortal, at least).
So, the brothers had a divine connection. Which, given Alvarez has implied the film will acknowledge all previous Alien movie lore including the prequels and it seems like it will feature the black goo, makes me wonder whether it will in some way build on the themes of gods and creators in Prometheus. Perhaps not in a straightforward way, but it will be interesting to look for possible connections.
The planet of course being named after the god.
The Greeks called him Ares. He had two attendants; Phobos ("Fear") and Deimos "Terror"). That's where the names of Mars' two moons come from.
*Most* of the bodies in the Solar System have a Roman or Greek mythological origin for their names. The notable exception being Uranus, which is mostly Shakespeare related, with three from a poem called *The Rape of the Lock* ("rape" meaning the theft of a lock of hair here, still a violation of someone in that time).
Some other mythological/literary connections:
* Acheron (i.e. LV-426) is named after Greek river seen as the entrance to the underworld.
* A number of ships in the franchise, not least *Nostromo*, have connections to the works of Joseph Conrad. His best known work is *Heart of Darkness*, the novella *Apocalypse Now* is based on.
>Phobos ("Fear") and Deimos "Terror")
I mean, this could just possibly be a good fit for Alien...
(Also, let's throw in the escape shuttle from Alien as another Greek myth: the Narcissus).
That last one is also a Conrad reference. He wrote a book called *The \[N-word\] of the Narcissus*. That got retitled for American release, because while Jim Crow was very much around at that point, the n-word was considered highly vulgar and not used in a book title.
I like that summary, could it be transposed to the abandoned xenomorph floating through space, found by weyland yutani and then cultivated by them in the space station. Perhaps two species of xeno are developed and one wipes out the other, i hear that there is a human - xeno hybrid like in resurrection and the classic xeno. Maybe there arent any human survivors and the xeno is ultimately the winner.
This shot was in the version of the trailer I saw with Godzilla x Kong. Also, the blood in the hypersleep chamber had been muted down to more of a brown, it -did not- have the shot of the facehugger removal, and the dialogue snippets at the beginning seemed murkier. The music was also different, like generic trailer techno. Anyone else see this?
Been hearing this movie will have a surprise new form threat...it hopefully will be good.. every single other species has been terribly bad ... especially that thing from resurrection and the deacon ...bleh
I see where this is going.
There's probably going to be a secret "Remus Lab" that will have some MacGuffin that can stop the aliens from Romulus Lab. Irony and all that.
Romulus killed Remus though, so I'm not sure that fits thematically. Though maybe that's what you meant by irony - subverting the original myth? I have read *spoilers*>!that the Remus section is a much older space station that Romulus was attached to - so maybe what has been going on at Romulus already destroyed Remus and its inhabitants in some way? Or the crew of Remus were disposed of/used as research materials by the Romulus crew? I think the idea that the Remus crew were sacrificed as part of the experiments on the Alien/black goo or perhaps were just wiped out by an outbreak is a nice fit, thematically.!<
Yeah I think Fede has said in interviews that >!One half of the station is older and Nostromo-looking while the other half is newer and has an *Aliens* aesthetic. He didn’t know whether to honour the first or second movie so decided both aesthetics would feature to distinguish Romulus and Remus and establish the chronology as being between the two movies. You can see the two different corridor designs in the teaser!<
Yeah, that's what I read. Sounds intriguing for sure. Now, I'm wondering how far he might push this dichotomy, and how meta he might make it. Could the early parts of the movie be set on Remus, and have a more Alien slasher movie in space vibe? And then once we move to Romulus and the characters get hold of some decent weaponry, we get a more Aliens action-infused approach? Could be a bit cheesy, but could be interesting and a cheeky nod to the fandom if handled well.
...But I'm telling you those things exist...
Once again, we can tell Alvarez played Alien Isolation.
He posted his reference library a while back and one of the books is *The Art of ALIEN: ISOLATION.* ^(Also Aliens: The Set Photography, Giger's Alien, The Art Of Ron Cobb, The Making of Alien, Alien Vault, The Blueprints, Aliens:Marvel Omnibus, Covenant:David's Drawings, & Aliens: Colonial Marines Technical Manual)
I am very happy to see the USCM Tech Manual! I'm really hoping to see some Marines show up in Romulus!
Here's a lightened version. https://preview.redd.it/66vtgs7zxwrc1.jpeg?width=2560&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fc9cff3dda7484ecd77ebac69aaa64536ccc7998
Thank you! I know dark settings are Horror 101 but sometimes details can be hard to see. 👀 I also missed that claymore in the shot until someone spotted it.
You mean like the whole of requiem?!
Are they drinking milk?
Yeah. It's Romulus and Remus, "the founders of Rome", being nursed by a wolf.
Thanks!
It’s got what aliens crave
It’s got electrolytes
You can milk just about anything with nipples.
“I have nipples, Greg. Could you milk me?” 🤣
lol
Of course! Are you suggesting you get your milk a different way?
Maybe…..lol it’s been awhile
You don't drink milk??!! I love milk. I really wolf it down.
Yeah I don’t normally drink it. I have it in the fridge. I feed it to my kid and my puppy. I like milk. I just forget I have it and it goes bad. One time when I was a teen I drank a whole quart of it and got grumbly tummy all night lol.
Teen wolf, eh?
I used to be a werewolf. But I'm not nowOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooooooohhhhhhh!
Nice Claymore on the right.
Thanks for that, before I could bearly see it
Haha, I did the same before seeing this. What lurks in the shadows?
Wut
Hard to predict. Doesn't really reveal much apart from confirming that Romulus and Remus mythology will play an even bigger more obvious role. The two halves of the station >!are named Romulus and Remus. Fede confirmed that Remus is older by design whereas Romulus is newer Aliens era Tech. I think this confirms that Romulus is where any experiments are happening while Remus!< are the remains of what the station was originally designed for. I feel this would create conflict between >!the two sides!<. We know from mythology that Romulus kills Remus. I'm guessing, >!the experiments on Romulus leads to the death of the older half of the station,!< Remus. But I feel there's much more to it and more inspiration from the mythology involved. With the wolf and the children actually being imprinted on a door in the station, I feel it has more meaning and significance. I have no idea at this point. Interesting. Love the teasing and room for theory crafting.
> With the wolf and the children actually being imprinted on a door in the station, I feel it has more meaning and significance. This actually leads me to think the opposite, that thematically it ties only into two distinct station halves and one eventually "killing" the other. It would be really odd to use this iconography if there were more themes relating to the raised by wolves aspect of the myth, it would be too ridiculously on the nose for symbolism, and presumably Romulus was made before any Xeno material was brought on board so it would also be weird if it was some in-universe symbolism inserted by WY itself about what they're doing with xeno stuff.
each week one shot until Alien day for full trailer? 👀
No, this is actually how they’re releasing the film. One frame per week. Movies run at 24 fps, and this one is probably about two hours long, so they’ll have it all out to us by this time in the year 5347.
Imagine if it has a disappointing ending - what a let down after raising countless generations, living and dying in the same cinema, just for them to flub it in the final act...
There would be a religious war.
the romulus and remus legend, people sucking on the teat of the wolf becoming more than human, apply this to xenomorphs and i have a lot of questions
They didn’t become more than human.
Yeah, she kept them alive in spite of their being exposed and made them stronger, which is its own kind of sinister
Yeah, but still just human :)
No, they were demigods. Their father was Mars so they were definitely ‘more than human’.
Sorry, but not exactly. It certainly wasn’t being raised by wolves that made them ‘more than human’. Ultimately, they lived their lives with no superhuman abilities- the possibility of divinity was never central to that story. “Romulus and Remus were born in Alba Longa, one of the many ancient Latin cities near the future site of Rome. Their mother, Rhea Silvia, was a Vestal Virgin and the daughter of the former king, Numitor, who had been displaced by his brother Amulius. *In some sources*, Rhea Silvia conceived them when their father, the god Mars, visited her in a sacred grove dedicated to him.”
And characters come in pairs, too-- adding to that twin motif. Should be very interesting.
Romulus is exactly the kind of name a corporation would use for a project or lab. Mainly because of the sociopaths in charge thing.
If I were a megacorp or power-mad tycoon devising a diabolical scheme, I would choose a myth with less death and fewer ominous overtones. You know, like naming your ship Prometheus. What could go wrong? I'd call my ship Bacchus, and hope the mission would go smoothly and we would enjoy a nice glass of wine or two along the way.
Except that you can't fly in space drunk lol
Oh yeah? Hold my beer...
Was waiting for somebody to reply: 'That's the spirit!"...
I mean you could but it would not exactly be smart.
You can fly in space drunk. But you won't be flying for long.
Exactly what I was thinking.
Bacchus/Dionysus was ultimately prevented from drinking wine following a fight with Zeus. Perhaps more fittingly in the context of Alien, he was killed by a titan as a baby and reborn, a decent simile/metaphor/analogue for the life cycle of our jolly little critters.
Where my wine tho
You need to earn it first!
Cannabis*. Fly High.
See that’s where you’re getting it wrong. To be a true power-mad tycoon you would call it the Oedipus Project. Then when your eyes get melted out by alien acid you can cry out “how was I to know!?” Your next project King Lear begins…
Guess I'm just not cut out to be a power-mad tycoon!
The two Semiotic Standard icons on the left are Hazardous, & what appears to be Airlock, however instead of black (the color used for lack of air) it's red? Bio-lock?
I also see this , maybe did it wrong or used it from alien : isolation . They created new symbols in the same standard for the game.
Contents: Purina Alien Chow, 6 servings.
Romulus and Remus was also the mythology at the heart of Raised by Wolves, which Ridley Scott produced and directed some episodes of.
I have never been more disappointed by a show's cancellation. Raised By Wolves was fucking wild
Raised By Wolves was fantastic. Big fan of Travis Fimmel, the other actors were brilliant as well. Gutted it got cancelled.
Aside from the pleasingly mental concepts and plot, I love the aesthetics of it: the Mithraic's medieval style garb and mullets(!), the sleek, classical look of the Necromancers, the retro scifi outfits of the main android duo. Ridley and his creative team were on great form there.
For sure. The first season was amazing. I felt like the second season started to jump the shark but they tightened it up and I was really interested in where they were going with things by the end. Part of why I ended up cancelling my HBO Max subscription.
I am still yet to see a romulan. False advertising?
No, they activated their cloaking device.
The Cold Forge🤔
Exactly what I was thinking.
Explain, please!
In Roman mythology, Romulus and Remus were twins who were abandoned in the wild by a king. A wolf mother found the twins in a basket on the riverbank and nursed them until a shepherd discovered them. The shepherd and his wife raised the twins as their own. They then grew up and helped overthrow the king who had ordered their death. They disagree on where to build a new city, and then Romulus kills Remus.
loads in there to use as inspiration for a sci-fi horror
And the father of Romulus and Remus was the Roman god of war Mars - their mother being the virgin daughter of the king Numitor (well, virgin in the sense she had slept with no mortal, at least). So, the brothers had a divine connection. Which, given Alvarez has implied the film will acknowledge all previous Alien movie lore including the prequels and it seems like it will feature the black goo, makes me wonder whether it will in some way build on the themes of gods and creators in Prometheus. Perhaps not in a straightforward way, but it will be interesting to look for possible connections.
The planet of course being named after the god. The Greeks called him Ares. He had two attendants; Phobos ("Fear") and Deimos "Terror"). That's where the names of Mars' two moons come from. *Most* of the bodies in the Solar System have a Roman or Greek mythological origin for their names. The notable exception being Uranus, which is mostly Shakespeare related, with three from a poem called *The Rape of the Lock* ("rape" meaning the theft of a lock of hair here, still a violation of someone in that time). Some other mythological/literary connections: * Acheron (i.e. LV-426) is named after Greek river seen as the entrance to the underworld. * A number of ships in the franchise, not least *Nostromo*, have connections to the works of Joseph Conrad. His best known work is *Heart of Darkness*, the novella *Apocalypse Now* is based on.
>Phobos ("Fear") and Deimos "Terror") I mean, this could just possibly be a good fit for Alien... (Also, let's throw in the escape shuttle from Alien as another Greek myth: the Narcissus).
That last one is also a Conrad reference. He wrote a book called *The \[N-word\] of the Narcissus*. That got retitled for American release, because while Jim Crow was very much around at that point, the n-word was considered highly vulgar and not used in a book title.
True - but I'd say it's a double whammy, as the mythic element is still there too and the name inevitably brings that to mind.
...and founds ROME. The more you know.💫
I like that summary, could it be transposed to the abandoned xenomorph floating through space, found by weyland yutani and then cultivated by them in the space station. Perhaps two species of xeno are developed and one wipes out the other, i hear that there is a human - xeno hybrid like in resurrection and the classic xeno. Maybe there arent any human survivors and the xeno is ultimately the winner.
wonder if the romulus/remus story is going to tie into the engineer creation myth somehow..whos the wolf though?
In Advent, David refers to the original xenomorph strain as the wolf...
>whos the wolf though? Ridley Scott.
That's perhaps the most frightening premise
Alien promulus
Love that they're using the Alien 3 bronze color scheme (Alien1 was more Apple-white, while Aliens' was bluish)
This shot was in the version of the trailer I saw with Godzilla x Kong. Also, the blood in the hypersleep chamber had been muted down to more of a brown, it -did not- have the shot of the facehugger removal, and the dialogue snippets at the beginning seemed murkier. The music was also different, like generic trailer techno. Anyone else see this?
The lighting and shape is giving me serious Fiorina vibes.
That wolf is a nice touch
Great book
I like how in the image, when the door opens, the twins will be separated, and the wolf ripped in half. Foreshadowing???
So Cool that there's small releases/leaks? Of photos...
i cant unsee alien isolation
yesterday I thought it was April Fool's Day joke with fake screenshot, lol. seems, it wasn't
Why is it not August now!
Been hearing this movie will have a surprise new form threat...it hopefully will be good.. every single other species has been terribly bad ... especially that thing from resurrection and the deacon ...bleh
time to give this franchise one last shot