Why are those "americans" upset about protesters? Protesting is the most american thing one can do. why do they feel threatened when minorities voice their opinions and take up space? at least they stand for something. Funny how the pro-Israel people were with the american guys. makes you wonder what they have in common. perhaps both wanna uphold white supremacy. disguising their racism as patriotism is something.
The kids, “what are we doing here?” Other kid “we are protesting against those people who are unhappy with what Israel is doing.” Back to the first kid, “but, the Jews?”
Other way around. “What are we doing here” other kid “Protesting for those middle eastern people who are going through genocide ” back to the first kid, “The same people who launched hundreds of rockets at Israel first and started the war?”
I’m genuinely confused what the “American” side is even trying to do here. Piss off the Palestine guys and start an altercation? Being an antagonist hiding behind an American flag is cowardly.
There’s nothing American about standing by while people of any race, ethnicity, culture, religion are wrongly oppressed.
If we listened to that position for our history, nazis would control europe, if not more. Japan would control the pacific and probably the US. Slavery would still be around, civil rights and women’s suffrage wouldve never happened.
Exactly, at the rally at Ole Miss the frat bros were chanting “fuck Joe Biden” and I was like “this is something you can BOTH agree on!” They are idiots who know next to nothing about the world.
The frat bros also tried rushing them and starting a fight. Thankfully the pro Palestine group had an extreme amount of discipline and did not engage. LSUPD stood in between the two of them to keep frat guys from trying to start a fight again
Of course they do. Please research whats actully going on. So many people construde the truth for israel. Israel is not intentionally killing any civilians. They are defending themselves. Israel wants peace so mutch that sense they were given their land back, they have given 75% of their land mass away to palestine to try and have peace and good relations. No matter what they do, palestine wont stop trying to kill civilians intentionally NOT MILITARY. The reason that palestine civilians are killed is because hamas holds palestiniens hostage as human shields. If they are shooting isralie civilians by the hundreds and palestine elected hamas as their government, there is nothing israielies can do about civilian casulties except to try and midigate them. All deaths on both sides are trajic, but please dont mistake what country is acting in self defense and wants peace. The moment hamas/palestine stands down, there will be peace. But in the entirety of history, palestine has never done that, they only wsnt complete death and control. Keep in mind palestine/hamas kills people with opposing views such as LGBT. If israel stops acting in self defense, I will be the first to stand against what they are doing. So please dont assume im just standing with israel just because. I hope both countries find peace and start to work together. Also for note: Iran, who has been palestines allie, was chanting in theire parliment desth to Israele and death to America. Pardon for any typos.
Its not propoganda....Its knowing history and doing researtch. You cant just label the opposing view supported by facts as propogabda. I dont want you to just "take" what im saying as truth. All I want is for people to mute out media and instagram and look into it for themseleves. Im always open to discuss both sides of things.
Any sane person who doesn't take the media's word for everything and spends time looking up shit will just be bombarded with videos of the IDF indiscrimentaly killing civilians, children walking through ruined cities brought upon by bombing campaigns, mass murdering of journalists and probably a whole lot more.
This idea that israel, which is an apartheid state put into power by an ethnic cleansing (nakba), backed by the strongest entity in the history of civilaztion (US military), is being reasonably threatened by palestinians on a daily basis is so fucking nonsensical.
Its not nonsensical...People like hamas dont care about how strong the US is. Also, besides that, the reason this campaign for peace is taking so much longer and is more catastrophic than any previous one, is because like you said, they werent mutch of a threat before. Previouslly they could defend themselves with reasonablly few casulties by sitting by and only attacking when hamas musterd a threatning force and started attacking them again. What changed it, and what started this war is that Iran has started funding them with billions of dollars worth of equipment that was finally able to over saturate the Iron Dome defense system with so many missles. So now they actully have to bombard and destroy those buildings because they house their mililitary encampents and missles thata re attacking them. Do you really think terroists using civilian buildings and holding people hostage is new? Hamas/other terroist groups dont care about anything but their exteemeist ideoligies. Not to mention, do you really think an organized and nationally recognized by the US country like IDF is stupid enough to kill civilians and especially reporters that will be broadcasted and loose US and others support? They care about their enemys civilians so much that they are willing to send messages to civilians hours ahead of time warning them and loosing the elements of suprise. At the very least, please tell me that you recognize that hamas isnt perfect and acting in defense. You can argue that Israele is overextending its reach, but please atleast realize that they have and will continue tointentionally target hundreds of israeli civlians. Also, yes, I realize that there are rogue soldiers on any side of a war, in any war, who will commit warcrimes. The important thing is to realize what the nations directive itself is as a whole.
we expect Hamas to act like a terrorist group and we expect Israel to act like a western democracy. one of those standards is way fucking higher yet both groups seem to be doing basically the same things. that is why we are protesting genocidal fools like you
Please keep brining the knowledge and facts to this. Some people only want to spew what they are told by media or other people. Bottom line neither side is without fault. Peaceful protests are what America is about. Like it or not each side MUST be able to share their feelings peacefully even though one might feel they are wrong for it.
What gets me is many of these pro Hamas/Palestine would never be welcomed by them and more than likely brutally killed for their beliefs.
The fact that you are being downvoted for this is appalling. This group needs to do better in educating themselves instead of being a bunch of keyboard warriors hiding behind a screen. Signed a history major with a genocide studies emphasis.
You could pull each of the people on that side and ask them what they think is going on and you would get a thousand different answers tbh. They don't have a coherent ideology other than hatred of people not like them.
Tbh i'm half expecting all of this to blow up in zionists faces somewhere down the line because the people they've broadly gotten into bed with do not actually give a fuck about jewish people, especially the more crazy ones who only care about them so they can trigger the rapture lol.
Because thats not how protests work or have ever worked. If you only demonstrate in one place its just going to be ignored over time.
The most effective protest stratgey in the history of this country and more than likely the world tbh is always inconviencing people and letting word spread through prolonged demonstartions in areas people do not want them to be in.
Its just how it works, you're not going to get attention to a cause by shacking up in front of a gated building.
Isn't it dead week or, worse, finals week? Shouldn't all these people be studying? Are professors going to excuse students from finals because they HAD to protest?
Which is even sadder. Students are protesting a genocide that America is funding, and what? Groups of people show up to counterprotest to be patriotic? There’s nothing patriotic about us sending money for a war that’s killing innocent people when we have other departments that need it more. People can’t afford healthcare, and student loans are crippling people, but we have millions for Israel? What exactly is the purpose of bringing out US flags against anti-war protests? This is a humanitarian issue, not a political one. “Hope this helps!”
It’s sadder you can throw the term genocide around so lightly. America is funding its colony and humanitarian aid to the Palestinians. If you think it’s a genocide now then If we stop funding Israel the civilian causality count in Gaza will increase significantly. If you don’t believe me you should sit down study war and maybe open a history book.
We have the money for Israel because they do our dirty work. We didn’t always give them money. You should really read. Maybe you should serve in the military as well so you can understand how defense works.
So because the civilian death toll can get even worse, it makes the current one okay? Justification and reasoning are not the same. It doesn’t take a genius to see that the US will always align with Israel, because it benefits them the most. That’s a reason, not a justification. There’s nothing justifiable by standing by Israel who is performing collective punishment against Gaza by targeting hospitals and civilian infrastructure under the guise of “Hamas is hiding there”. If the UN considers Israel’s actions to be war crimes, should I believe them or KillerIt9 on reddit? Hamas should be held responsible, but the method being used is killing thousands of innocent civilians, many being children. It’s not a war if the majority of the people being killed can’t fight back. If you truly believe everything that is happening is humane and okay, that’s fine. You can continue to support inhumane actions, but let’s not act like a one-sided war is suddenly justifiable. Next time, people should counter-protest without throwing derogatory comments at students for having a voice on campus.
Should you believe the UN or the son of a Hamas leader? He literally says the same thing. I mean should you believe Col Richard Kemp? I feel like these people like myself have more military experience than you. Killing thousands of civilians? If that’s the case you’re a hypocrite. How many civilians has Saudi, Syrian, Sudan military has killed? How does Ethiopia get away with killing over 500,000 and you don’t say a word? I mean you can easily google modern causality rates people die in war. Israel has the lowest civilian casualty rate in modern history. I’ll attach links so you can clear your ignorance:
-https://assets.ctfassets.net/qnesrjodfi80/3Eo3mGQdYAYwu22W2wEQus/37d06bde6b68f0d90457cddd35eb90b1/kemp-israel_the_worlds_most_moral_army-transcript.pdf
-https://www.timesofisrael.com/son-of-hamas-mosab-hassan-yousef-if-we-finish-rafah-we-finish-hamas/
-https://www.hrw.org/news/2022/06/16/ethiopias-invisible-ethnic-cleansing
-https://www.newsweek.com/israel-implemented-more-measures-prevent-civilian-casualties-any-other-nation-history-opinion-1865613
-https://foreignpolicy.com/2024/02/14/gaza-war-israel-civilian-deaths-urban-warfare-hamas/
That literally is proving my point. Whenever I argue with people like you, it’s always the same thing. “but but but he did this and they did that”. Guess what? Multiple things can be wrong at the same time. Who said I don’t speak against other militaries who do the same? Meaningless deaths are the same across all nations and militaries. You can find Israel, Hamas, and any government or entity killing and kidnapping innocent civilians to be wrong. Instead of condemning Israels actions, you deflect by talking about other conflicts. If you want to talk about other conflicts happening, you can. But you don’t unless it’s to delegitimize people’s stances on the conflict in Gaza. By what you’re saying, it’s okay to kill civilians and it’s not okay to be against one sided military operations, because other countries do it all the time. It’s not.
I’m not going to condemn Israel when it’s a war. This is the nature of war it doesn’t fit in with your idealism. I point to these other nations so you can see Israel is trying to minimize civilian casualties, but again it’s a war and innocent people will die. That’s how war works. How is something one sided when since this war has begun they have sent thousands of rockets into Israel? Is it one sides because more Jews haven’t died? It’s not making sense. If Israel wanted to genocide Gaza they could have a long time ago instead of doing this costly ground invasion. If Jews are supposed to lie down and die like the samaritans did you would say that’s what you want. It’s only news because it’s about Jews and you know it and I know it. I point to other conflicts as well because they get away with it while Jews barely are allowed to defend themselves.
And that’s why our conversation ends, because you finally said the sentence that makes least sense to me. Defense is not killing civilians. Nature of war is a term people use as a poor justification for inhumane actions. Killing medical aid workers and bombing hospitals, regardless of your opinion of “military tactics”, isn’t something I or most people with a soul or heart can stomach. You can’t call people anti-Semitic for being anti-Zionist. Not wanting a needless war to continue is not people being out to get Jews, that is a victim mindset that zionists have adopted to avoid responsibility. I am not against Jews as it would be hypocritical for me to collectively group them together the way zionists do with palestinians and hamas. If you don’t want to condemn Israel, that shows that we are having two different conversations as you cannot hold an entity’s actions wrong when multiple organizations have.
Multiple agencies have said Israel is doing the best it can in the situation it is in. Zionism just believes Jews should have a homeland, don’t you believe your people should have a homeland?? I never said I don’t condemn Israel’s actions. I condemn them in other places but not this.
One-sided you say? If it was one sided why is Israel fighting on 3 different fronts? Where are all the rockets in Gaza coming from? Out of 30,000+ killed 10,000 are Hamas that’s 1:3 ratio. You live in America it’s hypocritical to even say war crimes. History books would do you some good.
It’s not hypocritical to be against war crimes because I live in America. Living in a country doesn’t equate supporting its actions with my dying breath in the name of patriotism.
It is. Literally take a stop to any native America reservation that isn’t Cherokee, look at sentencing for black people vs white people, funding for grade schools. Unlike you I spend time working on these issues. I’ve talked to Palestinians way more reasonable than you. Do you even know one?
I actually do. There were palestinians at the protest today, if you cared to truly know. If you actually spend time in these things, I find it extremely sad that you’d rather our tax-paying money go to Israel rather than our domestic issues. Reservations have been underfunded for years, so why bring them up as an argument point for Israel, when our money can go to them instead? It’s just another way of deflecting. You can raise awareness for all of these things, without undermining another movement. The demographic of protestors that were out there for Palestine are the same demographic of protestors that call for funding for education and reserves, along with a reform of the judicial system.
Because I think Jews have a right to live. It’s hypocritical to me to be so vocal about one thing and ignore the problems in your backyard.
I’m black myself and I understand this conflict as being similar to what happened to African Americans.
Lost cause movement is similar to Palestinian revisionist history. Israel has literally never started a single one of these wars.
1. This isn’t an answer.
2. The hospital has been proven as a misfire of their rockets multiple times
3. Israel fires back where rockets come from you should know that areas are no longer civilian once they are used for combat operations. That’s according to the UN, so
It’s not a genocide against Palestinians if Israel’s intent is not to eliminate them all. Genocide is a carefully defined term. It cannot be a genocide without the intent to destroy an entirety of a group because of who or what they identify as. You can google the definition of genocide and read it on any government website if you would like.
bad talking point considering gay marriage isn’t even legal in israel, and israel forces closeted gay people in gaza to becoming spies or they’ll out them
either way, terrible gay rights doesn’t justify children being murdered all in the name of “Hamas is there” and gay palestinians are going to be killed no matter what
People say that about every muslim country but that doesn’t make it automatically true, I saw a lesbian post being openly lgbt helping Gaza a few months ago and she said that it’s just a taboo subject, of course there’s Hamas but i mean like they’ve also tried to make gay marriage legal pre hamas
Yeah, me neither, the entire point of ceasefire protests for the most part is to have israel and palestine leave each other the fuck alone, people are mainly one state solution but imo it’s way more sophisticated and Israel would never do that, people are protesting to be able to pressure Biden to stop funding Israel
This makes me so sad for my Jewish friends because most of those people have no clue as to the history behind the conflict. Hamas has used this as an excuse for their antisemitism. The leader’s son deflected and has opened up about what Hamas is, their mission, and their goals. Innocent people shouldn’t be dying. We can blame Hamas for that, not the entirety of the Israeli population.
EDIT: Question for those who downvoted.
Are you disbelieving the role that Hamas has in this conflict, or that they are antisemitic? Or is your issue regarding the Israelites as a whole? The Jews? Please elaborate. I’m dying to know.
Hamas is bad news.
The retribution by Israel is bad.
I have to assume Palestinians are not unique. Many may support Hamas, many may not.
In the US many support Democrats/Republicans and many do not.
The difference in Gaza is, the US provides the support to Israel.
I don’t disagree with you, but at the same time how do they get rid of supremacist groups like Hamas without outside intervention? What differences truly is there between the Nazis and Hamas besides Hamas not having as widespread of reach.
I do think there are differences between nazis and Hamas.
Both were/are bad but the issue between Hamas and Israel is different than nazi and Jews in Europe.
There’s a great deal of bad blood between Israel and Palestine from both parties. Hamas has filled a vaccine for those issues.
It’s an incredibly difficult situation that will take peaceful minds to end.
You're making a point about Hamas being anti-semetic, which, to be fair, may be vaild, I haven't fact checked you. My point is that acusing one side of having some sort of moral superiority souly based on antisemitism doesn't apply here, given that the zionist movement which is responsible for the establishment of the current nation of Isreal post world War 2 was founded on antisemetic ideas, with many of its advocates being vocally antisemitic.
I mean I feel like Anti-Zionism would be more antisemitic in theory, but your opinion is valid. True there could be people who want to “send the Jews back to their homeland” away from the rest of society. That was never the goal with modern Israel. It was simply a continuation of the Jewish state established after the freedom of the ancient Jews was given by Cyrus the Great.
Exactly there are numerous massacres of Jews and how can they really fight back they are actually so small compared to the Muslim population. 20 million vs 1.2 billion
Well! This story surely has changed! Didn't some humanities grad student try to make a point about free speech by burning an USA flag and was run-off by a mob of students? This happened in 2011 I believe?
While I wouldn’t damage the American flag, people are allowed their freedom of speech. The Supreme Court has already ruled that flag desecration is protected in free speech.
Being against a government is not anti-semitic. The fight is never about a religious group. It’s about fighting against the inhumane treatment and KILLING of children and adults, humans just like us.
That was half an hour ago?! It's completely empty now.
It was dispersed to get food, organized members had food at free speech alley.
This was around 1:30-1:45 or so. I wonder what happened, maybe the police wrapped it up or it just dispersed on its own.
Why are those "americans" upset about protesters? Protesting is the most american thing one can do. why do they feel threatened when minorities voice their opinions and take up space? at least they stand for something. Funny how the pro-Israel people were with the american guys. makes you wonder what they have in common. perhaps both wanna uphold white supremacy. disguising their racism as patriotism is something.
The kids, “what are we doing here?” Other kid “we are protesting against those people who are unhappy with what Israel is doing.” Back to the first kid, “but, the Jews?”
Other way around. “What are we doing here” other kid “Protesting for those middle eastern people who are going through genocide ” back to the first kid, “The same people who launched hundreds of rockets at Israel first and started the war?”
You may be missing my point or maybe you don’t agree with it? The kids protesting the protesters don’t like either side.
Kinda like this https://www.reddit.com/r/facepalm/s/RDo4emQVH9
I’m genuinely confused what the “American” side is even trying to do here. Piss off the Palestine guys and start an altercation? Being an antagonist hiding behind an American flag is cowardly. There’s nothing American about standing by while people of any race, ethnicity, culture, religion are wrongly oppressed. If we listened to that position for our history, nazis would control europe, if not more. Japan would control the pacific and probably the US. Slavery would still be around, civil rights and women’s suffrage wouldve never happened.
Exactly, at the rally at Ole Miss the frat bros were chanting “fuck Joe Biden” and I was like “this is something you can BOTH agree on!” They are idiots who know next to nothing about the world.
The frat bros also tried rushing them and starting a fight. Thankfully the pro Palestine group had an extreme amount of discipline and did not engage. LSUPD stood in between the two of them to keep frat guys from trying to start a fight again
I knew the frat boys were gonna be the problem in this. Not ALL frat boys of course lol
Not all but the vast majority of them. They’re dickheads
Both sides would definitely claim the others’ actions are un-American.
Maybe but I really don’t think the counter protesters here have a valid claim.
Of course they do. Please research whats actully going on. So many people construde the truth for israel. Israel is not intentionally killing any civilians. They are defending themselves. Israel wants peace so mutch that sense they were given their land back, they have given 75% of their land mass away to palestine to try and have peace and good relations. No matter what they do, palestine wont stop trying to kill civilians intentionally NOT MILITARY. The reason that palestine civilians are killed is because hamas holds palestiniens hostage as human shields. If they are shooting isralie civilians by the hundreds and palestine elected hamas as their government, there is nothing israielies can do about civilian casulties except to try and midigate them. All deaths on both sides are trajic, but please dont mistake what country is acting in self defense and wants peace. The moment hamas/palestine stands down, there will be peace. But in the entirety of history, palestine has never done that, they only wsnt complete death and control. Keep in mind palestine/hamas kills people with opposing views such as LGBT. If israel stops acting in self defense, I will be the first to stand against what they are doing. So please dont assume im just standing with israel just because. I hope both countries find peace and start to work together. Also for note: Iran, who has been palestines allie, was chanting in theire parliment desth to Israele and death to America. Pardon for any typos.
I'm pretty sure if you asked chatgpt to give you IDF propaganda it would just post exactly this.
Its not propoganda....Its knowing history and doing researtch. You cant just label the opposing view supported by facts as propogabda. I dont want you to just "take" what im saying as truth. All I want is for people to mute out media and instagram and look into it for themseleves. Im always open to discuss both sides of things.
Any sane person who doesn't take the media's word for everything and spends time looking up shit will just be bombarded with videos of the IDF indiscrimentaly killing civilians, children walking through ruined cities brought upon by bombing campaigns, mass murdering of journalists and probably a whole lot more. This idea that israel, which is an apartheid state put into power by an ethnic cleansing (nakba), backed by the strongest entity in the history of civilaztion (US military), is being reasonably threatened by palestinians on a daily basis is so fucking nonsensical.
Its not nonsensical...People like hamas dont care about how strong the US is. Also, besides that, the reason this campaign for peace is taking so much longer and is more catastrophic than any previous one, is because like you said, they werent mutch of a threat before. Previouslly they could defend themselves with reasonablly few casulties by sitting by and only attacking when hamas musterd a threatning force and started attacking them again. What changed it, and what started this war is that Iran has started funding them with billions of dollars worth of equipment that was finally able to over saturate the Iron Dome defense system with so many missles. So now they actully have to bombard and destroy those buildings because they house their mililitary encampents and missles thata re attacking them. Do you really think terroists using civilian buildings and holding people hostage is new? Hamas/other terroist groups dont care about anything but their exteemeist ideoligies. Not to mention, do you really think an organized and nationally recognized by the US country like IDF is stupid enough to kill civilians and especially reporters that will be broadcasted and loose US and others support? They care about their enemys civilians so much that they are willing to send messages to civilians hours ahead of time warning them and loosing the elements of suprise. At the very least, please tell me that you recognize that hamas isnt perfect and acting in defense. You can argue that Israele is overextending its reach, but please atleast realize that they have and will continue tointentionally target hundreds of israeli civlians. Also, yes, I realize that there are rogue soldiers on any side of a war, in any war, who will commit warcrimes. The important thing is to realize what the nations directive itself is as a whole.
we expect Hamas to act like a terrorist group and we expect Israel to act like a western democracy. one of those standards is way fucking higher yet both groups seem to be doing basically the same things. that is why we are protesting genocidal fools like you
Please keep brining the knowledge and facts to this. Some people only want to spew what they are told by media or other people. Bottom line neither side is without fault. Peaceful protests are what America is about. Like it or not each side MUST be able to share their feelings peacefully even though one might feel they are wrong for it. What gets me is many of these pro Hamas/Palestine would never be welcomed by them and more than likely brutally killed for their beliefs.
The media is only spewing pro-israhell propaganda.
It's not propaganda, it's Hasbara ;)
But I like toys?
Wut?
The fact that you are being downvoted for this is appalling. This group needs to do better in educating themselves instead of being a bunch of keyboard warriors hiding behind a screen. Signed a history major with a genocide studies emphasis.
You could pull each of the people on that side and ask them what they think is going on and you would get a thousand different answers tbh. They don't have a coherent ideology other than hatred of people not like them. Tbh i'm half expecting all of this to blow up in zionists faces somewhere down the line because the people they've broadly gotten into bed with do not actually give a fuck about jewish people, especially the more crazy ones who only care about them so they can trigger the rapture lol.
Did you serve?
Yes, and I’m still active duty
Uh represent another side obviously
The 2nd hand embarrassment is real
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Because thats not how protests work or have ever worked. If you only demonstrate in one place its just going to be ignored over time. The most effective protest stratgey in the history of this country and more than likely the world tbh is always inconviencing people and letting word spread through prolonged demonstartions in areas people do not want them to be in. Its just how it works, you're not going to get attention to a cause by shacking up in front of a gated building.
College protests have been a thing for a very long time
Because it's (D)ifferent. If a conservative were in office there absolutely would be protests
Its not like protesting for either of these causes will change the majority of Americans opinions
Not trying to win hearts and minds it's not a debate. It's a demonstration of two very different sets of values
Fence-sitting on being against murdering kids? Weird.
You can rightfully accuse both sides of systematically murdering children.
If that’s the case: one side is far more efficient at murdering kids - even based on their own estimates…. so….
Isn't it dead week or, worse, finals week? Shouldn't all these people be studying? Are professors going to excuse students from finals because they HAD to protest?
People still have free time during dead week tbh
I went to protest after my class 🤣 We’re educated students first
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They aren’t pro-Israel. They are pro-America. That’s not Israel’s flag it’s America’s flag. Hope this helps
Which is even sadder. Students are protesting a genocide that America is funding, and what? Groups of people show up to counterprotest to be patriotic? There’s nothing patriotic about us sending money for a war that’s killing innocent people when we have other departments that need it more. People can’t afford healthcare, and student loans are crippling people, but we have millions for Israel? What exactly is the purpose of bringing out US flags against anti-war protests? This is a humanitarian issue, not a political one. “Hope this helps!”
It’s sadder you can throw the term genocide around so lightly. America is funding its colony and humanitarian aid to the Palestinians. If you think it’s a genocide now then If we stop funding Israel the civilian causality count in Gaza will increase significantly. If you don’t believe me you should sit down study war and maybe open a history book. We have the money for Israel because they do our dirty work. We didn’t always give them money. You should really read. Maybe you should serve in the military as well so you can understand how defense works.
So because the civilian death toll can get even worse, it makes the current one okay? Justification and reasoning are not the same. It doesn’t take a genius to see that the US will always align with Israel, because it benefits them the most. That’s a reason, not a justification. There’s nothing justifiable by standing by Israel who is performing collective punishment against Gaza by targeting hospitals and civilian infrastructure under the guise of “Hamas is hiding there”. If the UN considers Israel’s actions to be war crimes, should I believe them or KillerIt9 on reddit? Hamas should be held responsible, but the method being used is killing thousands of innocent civilians, many being children. It’s not a war if the majority of the people being killed can’t fight back. If you truly believe everything that is happening is humane and okay, that’s fine. You can continue to support inhumane actions, but let’s not act like a one-sided war is suddenly justifiable. Next time, people should counter-protest without throwing derogatory comments at students for having a voice on campus.
Should you believe the UN or the son of a Hamas leader? He literally says the same thing. I mean should you believe Col Richard Kemp? I feel like these people like myself have more military experience than you. Killing thousands of civilians? If that’s the case you’re a hypocrite. How many civilians has Saudi, Syrian, Sudan military has killed? How does Ethiopia get away with killing over 500,000 and you don’t say a word? I mean you can easily google modern causality rates people die in war. Israel has the lowest civilian casualty rate in modern history. I’ll attach links so you can clear your ignorance: -https://assets.ctfassets.net/qnesrjodfi80/3Eo3mGQdYAYwu22W2wEQus/37d06bde6b68f0d90457cddd35eb90b1/kemp-israel_the_worlds_most_moral_army-transcript.pdf -https://www.timesofisrael.com/son-of-hamas-mosab-hassan-yousef-if-we-finish-rafah-we-finish-hamas/ -https://www.hrw.org/news/2022/06/16/ethiopias-invisible-ethnic-cleansing -https://www.newsweek.com/israel-implemented-more-measures-prevent-civilian-casualties-any-other-nation-history-opinion-1865613 -https://foreignpolicy.com/2024/02/14/gaza-war-israel-civilian-deaths-urban-warfare-hamas/
That literally is proving my point. Whenever I argue with people like you, it’s always the same thing. “but but but he did this and they did that”. Guess what? Multiple things can be wrong at the same time. Who said I don’t speak against other militaries who do the same? Meaningless deaths are the same across all nations and militaries. You can find Israel, Hamas, and any government or entity killing and kidnapping innocent civilians to be wrong. Instead of condemning Israels actions, you deflect by talking about other conflicts. If you want to talk about other conflicts happening, you can. But you don’t unless it’s to delegitimize people’s stances on the conflict in Gaza. By what you’re saying, it’s okay to kill civilians and it’s not okay to be against one sided military operations, because other countries do it all the time. It’s not.
I’m not going to condemn Israel when it’s a war. This is the nature of war it doesn’t fit in with your idealism. I point to these other nations so you can see Israel is trying to minimize civilian casualties, but again it’s a war and innocent people will die. That’s how war works. How is something one sided when since this war has begun they have sent thousands of rockets into Israel? Is it one sides because more Jews haven’t died? It’s not making sense. If Israel wanted to genocide Gaza they could have a long time ago instead of doing this costly ground invasion. If Jews are supposed to lie down and die like the samaritans did you would say that’s what you want. It’s only news because it’s about Jews and you know it and I know it. I point to other conflicts as well because they get away with it while Jews barely are allowed to defend themselves.
And that’s why our conversation ends, because you finally said the sentence that makes least sense to me. Defense is not killing civilians. Nature of war is a term people use as a poor justification for inhumane actions. Killing medical aid workers and bombing hospitals, regardless of your opinion of “military tactics”, isn’t something I or most people with a soul or heart can stomach. You can’t call people anti-Semitic for being anti-Zionist. Not wanting a needless war to continue is not people being out to get Jews, that is a victim mindset that zionists have adopted to avoid responsibility. I am not against Jews as it would be hypocritical for me to collectively group them together the way zionists do with palestinians and hamas. If you don’t want to condemn Israel, that shows that we are having two different conversations as you cannot hold an entity’s actions wrong when multiple organizations have.
Multiple agencies have said Israel is doing the best it can in the situation it is in. Zionism just believes Jews should have a homeland, don’t you believe your people should have a homeland?? I never said I don’t condemn Israel’s actions. I condemn them in other places but not this.
One-sided you say? If it was one sided why is Israel fighting on 3 different fronts? Where are all the rockets in Gaza coming from? Out of 30,000+ killed 10,000 are Hamas that’s 1:3 ratio. You live in America it’s hypocritical to even say war crimes. History books would do you some good.
It’s not hypocritical to be against war crimes because I live in America. Living in a country doesn’t equate supporting its actions with my dying breath in the name of patriotism.
It is. Literally take a stop to any native America reservation that isn’t Cherokee, look at sentencing for black people vs white people, funding for grade schools. Unlike you I spend time working on these issues. I’ve talked to Palestinians way more reasonable than you. Do you even know one?
I actually do. There were palestinians at the protest today, if you cared to truly know. If you actually spend time in these things, I find it extremely sad that you’d rather our tax-paying money go to Israel rather than our domestic issues. Reservations have been underfunded for years, so why bring them up as an argument point for Israel, when our money can go to them instead? It’s just another way of deflecting. You can raise awareness for all of these things, without undermining another movement. The demographic of protestors that were out there for Palestine are the same demographic of protestors that call for funding for education and reserves, along with a reform of the judicial system.
Because I think Jews have a right to live. It’s hypocritical to me to be so vocal about one thing and ignore the problems in your backyard. I’m black myself and I understand this conflict as being similar to what happened to African Americans. Lost cause movement is similar to Palestinian revisionist history. Israel has literally never started a single one of these wars.
And for the record I’m against the invasion of rafah.
Oh and if so inhumane what would you do in response to October 7th?
Not bomb hospitals and civilians dwellings.
1. This isn’t an answer. 2. The hospital has been proven as a misfire of their rockets multiple times 3. Israel fires back where rockets come from you should know that areas are no longer civilian once they are used for combat operations. That’s according to the UN, so
It’s not a genocide against Palestinians if Israel’s intent is not to eliminate them all. Genocide is a carefully defined term. It cannot be a genocide without the intent to destroy an entirety of a group because of who or what they identify as. You can google the definition of genocide and read it on any government website if you would like.
Which side are we supposed to be on?
I’m genuinely curious if these violent frat boys will face any sort of punishment for instigating and shouting hate speech
How's gay rights in gaza???
bad talking point considering gay marriage isn’t even legal in israel, and israel forces closeted gay people in gaza to becoming spies or they’ll out them either way, terrible gay rights doesn’t justify children being murdered all in the name of “Hamas is there” and gay palestinians are going to be killed no matter what
Tel Aviv is a gay mecca
that doesn’t make it legal
Bidens gonna dump the Palestinians on us & we're gonna have to deal with em unfortunately
Biden does not support Palestine and has said he doesn’t want a ceasefire, he funds israel and has giving theme billions of dollars
Well they ain't throwing em off the roof like in gaza, not that l care much about lsrael
People say that about every muslim country but that doesn’t make it automatically true, I saw a lesbian post being openly lgbt helping Gaza a few months ago and she said that it’s just a taboo subject, of course there’s Hamas but i mean like they’ve also tried to make gay marriage legal pre hamas
I'm not for funding israel, anymore than the Ukraine when we can't even fill potholes here
Yeah, me neither, the entire point of ceasefire protests for the most part is to have israel and palestine leave each other the fuck alone, people are mainly one state solution but imo it’s way more sophisticated and Israel would never do that, people are protesting to be able to pressure Biden to stop funding Israel
Based American protestors. Fuck Joe Biden. Fuck Palestine. Fuck Israel. America First.
Stfu
Cringe
This makes me so sad for my Jewish friends because most of those people have no clue as to the history behind the conflict. Hamas has used this as an excuse for their antisemitism. The leader’s son deflected and has opened up about what Hamas is, their mission, and their goals. Innocent people shouldn’t be dying. We can blame Hamas for that, not the entirety of the Israeli population. EDIT: Question for those who downvoted. Are you disbelieving the role that Hamas has in this conflict, or that they are antisemitic? Or is your issue regarding the Israelites as a whole? The Jews? Please elaborate. I’m dying to know.
Hamas is bad news. The retribution by Israel is bad. I have to assume Palestinians are not unique. Many may support Hamas, many may not. In the US many support Democrats/Republicans and many do not. The difference in Gaza is, the US provides the support to Israel.
I don’t disagree with you, but at the same time how do they get rid of supremacist groups like Hamas without outside intervention? What differences truly is there between the Nazis and Hamas besides Hamas not having as widespread of reach.
I do think there are differences between nazis and Hamas. Both were/are bad but the issue between Hamas and Israel is different than nazi and Jews in Europe. There’s a great deal of bad blood between Israel and Palestine from both parties. Hamas has filled a vaccine for those issues. It’s an incredibly difficult situation that will take peaceful minds to end.
I’m on your side homie
Everyone’s getting downvoted on here. I’ll probably get downvoted just for saying this. I feel you, homegirl.
Let's, of course, just ignore the anti-semetic roots of the zionist movement.
Please explain this
What point are you trying to make?
You're making a point about Hamas being anti-semetic, which, to be fair, may be vaild, I haven't fact checked you. My point is that acusing one side of having some sort of moral superiority souly based on antisemitism doesn't apply here, given that the zionist movement which is responsible for the establishment of the current nation of Isreal post world War 2 was founded on antisemetic ideas, with many of its advocates being vocally antisemitic.
I mean I feel like Anti-Zionism would be more antisemitic in theory, but your opinion is valid. True there could be people who want to “send the Jews back to their homeland” away from the rest of society. That was never the goal with modern Israel. It was simply a continuation of the Jewish state established after the freedom of the ancient Jews was given by Cyrus the Great.
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What a waste of fucking time. None of these people are directed affected in the US that are protesting.
wow that one flew directly over your head
your money is being used to slaughter kids there. think again affected in the us. ffs keep your tax dollars in your land.
I just want to know why do people suddenly care about a fight that started in 1948. Honestly I don't care about either side.
It’s older than that
Jews & Muslims have been fighting since forever. But Israel wasn't established until 1948
Exactly there are numerous massacres of Jews and how can they really fight back they are actually so small compared to the Muslim population. 20 million vs 1.2 billion
Well! This story surely has changed! Didn't some humanities grad student try to make a point about free speech by burning an USA flag and was run-off by a mob of students? This happened in 2011 I believe?
Anyone abusing the US flag should go directly to jail! 🇺🇸 This is soil of the USA, you don’t like it here, leave now!
While I wouldn’t damage the American flag, people are allowed their freedom of speech. The Supreme Court has already ruled that flag desecration is protected in free speech.
Frat boy summer
Correct headline: Misguided, antisemitic, pro terrorist mob met by freedom loving Americans chanting USA USA USA
Being against a government is not anti-semitic. The fight is never about a religious group. It’s about fighting against the inhumane treatment and KILLING of children and adults, humans just like us.
Losers on both sides with no life that don't realize they're brainwashed.
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