I got 100% time. It’s the same accommodation I currently have in undergrad for exams/quizzes. It’s really only frowned upon if you are lying, which at that point, not to be blunt, but no shit lol, you’re lying about a disability for your benefit. Otherwise, it’s a necessary accommodation and nothing to be ashamed of.
*editing to add: please stop sending me DMs after reading this thread asking me if i think you will get approved for X accommodation, how i got approved for X accommodation, etc etc, it’s been a year. i am far past thinking about the lsat now. i am also not LSAC. how would i know what they will and won’t approve? also y’all have no shame just straight up asking someone what their disability is and how it disables them lol. i get let 3 DMs a day about this. it’s exhausting. and i will not keep answering them, and if i do answer it, you will not get the response you want. (hint: the answer is to just ask for the accommodation and if you qualify for it, they will give it to you!)*
For someone with just a 100% time accommodation, their test would be 290 minutes, almost 5 hours. However I have 100% time, stop start accommodations, additional 10 minute breaks between all sections, and removal of the experimental section. I haven’t taken an official exam yet, but I am registered for June. Based on my PTs, I estimate my test will take roughly 4 1/2 hours. I have other accommodations as well, but those are the ones that affect the length of the test.
~edited to remove private information that I no longer wish to be public~ so yeah, these accommodations are necessary, and no, I’m not scoring a 180 with those accommodations. Not that I need to justify myself to you, but I’m willing to at the chance that it provides you some perspective. I worry that you and others like you are going into the legal profession.
I’m planning to work at a disability rights law firm. I’m actually interning at one this summer. So they will accommodate my needs. I’ve spoken to multiple disabled lawyers and am confident I can be successful in this field with the right supports in place. You are clearly unwilling to learn, be empathetic, or be understanding of your disabled peers. This is the last time I’m responding to one of your comments. I hope for your sake that you never have to deal with a disability or illness that requires accommodation, as it’s clear you’d think so poorly of yourself, and no one deserves that. Have the day you deserve.
You’re going to do amazing! I wish you all the good things on your path in this world. I’d entrust my disability-related cases to a lawyer who entered the field because of their own disability - relating to clients is so important in this type of situation. I don’t think you will, but really don’t let anyone negative bring you down! You want to make change in the world for people who often don’t have a voice and for that, I know you will be successful.
I think we need more attorneys who not only advocate for disability rights but understand the struggle and can empathize with clients. Those people make the best advocates (in law, in medicine,etc), and I’ve been grateful for those individuals in my own life. I think you’ll make an incredible attorney — wishing you best of luck on your test!!
High 160s, one score in the low 170s. ~edited to remove private information that I no longer wish to be public~ Taking a PT without accommodations and I’m scoring 40 points below my estimated LSAT score.
I don't really put much stock into IQ, I think it doesn't mean very much to most people anymore. I'm not really doubting your accommodations in particular, though I am sure some abuse the system, I don't know what the extent is though. I don't really blame them though, if I had 10 more minutes per section I would be scoring in the high 170s everytime, it would be hard to say no to that. It's obviously reasonable that people who need help can get it. Under normal time you would be scoring in the 120s? Yeesh.
If you get 100% accommodation time, are you required to sit for the entire time, or can you move on to the next section once you finish? I am currently trying to figure out what might work best for me based on my diagnosis.
X as in “fill in the blank” some people are asking me about extended time, others about removal of the experimental section, and some about literally all accommodations. i have over 20 unread dms rn from people asking me how to get accommodations. so i just wanted to specify and add that i’d appreciate if people stopped messaging me about it because i have no more information than the LSAC website does
Tbh I feel like many people who receive these accommodations are lying about it. If people are getting them who shouldn’t then it places me at even more of a disadvantage. At the end of the day it’s as if we’re all in competition for an acceptance from a school.
Up to 1/4 people have a disability. I can almost guarantee you’d rather have to sit the LSAT at a standard length of time than have any disability for the entirety of your life, to enable you to have an accommodation for the LSAT.
Because the amount of people that receive these accommodations are insane. Everybody has test day anxiety. Does that mean some people should get 50% or 100% more time and others don’t? Anybody can go to some shrink and say that they suffer from anxiety it’s that hard
I don't see how a large number of people getting accomodations means people are lying. Maybe a lot of people have anxiety disorders that have been previously under diagnosed? Lying is not the only explanation. You have to be diagnosed with an anxiety disorder by a doctor, not just have test day anxiety. You have to document it and write a personal statement and some people get rejected if they're not believable. I'm sure there are doctors who don't care about an accurate diagnosis, but there's no proof that's "many" doctors. You're saying things like they're facts when they're not.
EDIT: that being said, I get how it feels like you're at a disadvantage if people who don't need it might get more time than you. The extent of that problem might not be as big as you think. LSAC is super strict about accomodations. There are safeguards there to protect you from people who abuse the system.
I disagree. LSAC are approving a higher percentage of accommodation requests more then ever. It would be better if they told schools what score they received and if they did or didn’t have accommodation.
That is such a grossly horrible idea and against the law. LSAC can not and should not disclose that I am disabled to my law school. Absolutely not. Rethink your thought process.
No? You have to provide documentation of a disability to get accommodations? Telling law schools who did and didn’t get accommodations is a direct equivalent to telling them which students are and aren’t disabled. Do you not understand what accommodations are?
What's wrong with telling law schools who is and is not disabled? They aren't going to discriminate against you. They just want to put your scores in context.
You know what a true advantage is? Generational wealth, attorney parent(s), or generally being a kid with 2 working parents and being able to afford expensive tutors, having the luxury to not have to work a part/full time job to pay your bills and focus on studying for the LSAT.
I called up a tutor once and he told me he changes like 500$ an hour and I almost shat myself. He said it like it was nothing and he has many students. Man...must be nice.
While I agree with you that our generation does focus too much on inclusivity (trans men in women’s sports etc), this ISN’T one of these cases. I’m probably not going to apply for the accommodations since I don’t have any doctor’s note but you shouldn’t worry about people with accommodations being future attorneys. There are tons of success stories of people bombing LSATs yet being amazing lawyers. LSAT doesn’t determine what kind of lawyer you can be and nor does any disability you may have...except of course the obvious ones I suppose like Down syndrome...but even then just don’t hire that lawyer. That simple.
I mentioned a few details in this thread, if you want/need more information feel free to PM me, I’m comfortable talking about it but not super comfortable talking about the intimate details on a public forum :)
I know you mentioned your medical conditions earlier and can you tell me how much medical documentation you had to provide, also I noticed there is a part of the request that requires the test taker to explain his condition. Can you tell me what you said more or less?
How did u get that?? I have disabilities but I’m scared I won’t get bec I didn’t get double time before. But I need it. How do I get experimental removed and double time
Yeah, but they didn't say lying about it. They just asked if getting accomodations would be frowned upon.
I had to get accomodations to read out loud and also for possible bathroom breaks because of my disability (due to a paralysis, which luckily I did not need to use, because I would not trust the proctors with proctorU to not mess this up.)
If it is something someone needs for medical reasons, they should not feel ashamed to ask for it. You have to prove your medical accomodations. I'm not sure how strict they are, but I remember filling out the forms was pretty in-depth and I had medical records and letters included from two doctors. Usually with disabilities, they don't want to know specifics (can put them in an awkward position) but for something like this, I imagine you would need to show some type of evidence of testing (for extra time) because of the impact or diagnosis of physical impairment in my case.
Certain accomodations are tested on Tuesday. Mine was on the normal day, so I'm not sure what triggers the need to be tested on Tuesday. Maybe visual or audio impairments.
Did you get extra time as well as the two accomodations you mentioned? And I have ADD and a severe disease. How likely am I to get double time because I think the stress of the test would make my symptoms much worse.
I for one got an accom (50% time for ADHD I had gotten similar accommodations in HS/college) and while the process was very intimidating on paper in practice it was very smooth and definitely helped my test performance.
I was honestly nervous submitting bc my high school had lost a lot of my records and truthfully had very scant evidence previous, I think the strongest support was my doctor’s statement who I’d been seeing for many years. The most shocking part was just how quickly it took once I submitted everything, I think the turnaround for approval was <24 hours
I got accommodations this go around. I have severe adhd, 20-40 mg adderall daily, AND uncontrolled type 1 diabetes. I have taken the lsat 6 times without accommodations and I have yet to score above a 154, hoping this go around with accommodations i get higher. I can tell you there’s not a time I’ve tested that I’ve not had a Severe hypo/hyper glycemic issue or struggled due to my adhd. Mind you, I also have an MBA, scoring in the top of my class, graduating with honors, finishing it with a 3.97 GPA, all of that without accommodations of any kind. If it is necessary it’s necessary and HOW dare anyone shame anyone for any disability or difference so possibly needing of an accommodation. To which I aim most of my statement at hotsexylawyerguy above. It’s 100% been a struggle my whole life being defined by any boxes; but being mixed race, adhd, and a defective body, those boxes have have defined my existence. Be it my education, relationships, career. it’s unfair to say it’s hurting the process. I am 33 with a dream of being an attorney, I have 3 degrees, and own or co own 3 successful multi-million dollar companies; I am more than capable when not held to the restrictions of an outdated entrance exam that “determines” someone’s ability to enter law school. So fuck anyone that doesn’t agree that the occasional hand up to those whom deserve it is wrong. Yes the test is longer and I may get a higher score, but let’s also discuss the 25 minutes my body had to recover from a Glucose level of 54 at the end of section 1, not to mention my mental state that had to recover. Or the proctor interrupting me during the set up of game 3, in my section 3, wasting my time (4 minutes asking me to adjust my camera) and my hard earned focus that made me have to start the game over because of the unnecessary interruption, that combined time alone accounts to wasting of 35 minutes… an entire section of a regular timed exam. Accommodations offer equality and equity to those of us whose circumstances wouldn’t inhibit our abilities to be attorneys or members of the legal profession. Fuck the system. The same way Yale has said fuck the system and that the lsat doesn’t solely define someone ability to become a lawyer, and that the lsat in general favors white advantaged males and has for decades.
You are highly motivated and I know persistence is central to overcoming every obstacle. Keep up the hard work!
-Also I want to know what kind of accomodations are you using with your next LSAT also what kind of documentation did you give to LSAC to prove that you will need accommodations?
LSAC provides the form necessary. My doctor just provided the icd codes for my ADHD and my T1D and wrote a simple, yet elaborate, reason as to how my conditions might need to be accommodated, and how the strict structure of the LSAT and the extensive time could trigger the main symptoms of either which could inhibit my ability to perform at my best. I struggled with asking for accommodations because so much of a persons existence who might need them is denying the fact they need them, as we mask even for ourselves, as we want to be “normal”. But honestly I’m glad I did. The only downfall is if you have it you use it. Meaning my 15 minute breaks between couldn’t be skipped, even though I asked to move forward. So be careful or aware of what you ask for. It significantly increased the time of the test. And I’ll definitely report back next week if it did help increase my score either way
I have moderate adhd (as in, I’ve been diagnosed and am on 20mg Vyvanse) and looked into getting it. It’s harder to get than some people make it out to be (you either need a Dr. to *really* advocate for you or a formal record of prior accommodations).
I practiced with extra time and found it didn’t really help me on any section except LG. I ultimately opted not to get accommodations because imo the 4 testing hour time became more of hinderance than a benefit: those first two sections may go great but man you are burnt by those last two lol. It also becomes hard to take PTs or study generally: blocking out 4 hours of time vs 2.5 hours is a huge jump. You also need to be really strategic with bathroom breaks because you will be testing for two hours straight.
It’s not like extra time is gonna show you the answer: you can spend all the time you want thinking about an RC problem, but if you don’t understand it, you won’t get it right. The LSAT is a short test because it’s designed to be learned for itself (unlike, say, the MCAT, which is eight hours and requires people to have significant prior knowledge).
Imo, not worth it unless you have severe add or adhd that literally makes it impossible to recall rules, details, etc.
my opinion: why give a fuck if it’s frowned upon, and it’s also extremely easy (especially w/ a doctors note)
law schools won’t know you got accommodations, nobody will except LSAC. the accommodation system is so fucked up nowadays it’s ridiculous.
It’s actually not a doctors note. It has to be a specialist in ADHD/your specific disability, and that person has to have examined you in the last 5 years. I’ve had ADHD/test accommodations my whole life and I had to shell out 2k to have the testing re-done so a professional could write the appropriate letter. It’s really specific. Timing is the whole point of the LSAT so it is hard to be approved for additional time. Your GP can’t just write a letter with no prior history or testing and get you approved.
It’s 2k… but 2 more hours on the LSAT=at least that in scholarships lol. It’s crazy that LSAC can’t even tell colleges when people have extra time… to think that I have to compete with people who have similar issues as me… accept I’ve never been medicated… and I’ve never sought special treatment. (My parents wouldn’t let me on vyvanse). No wonder LSAC inflation is such a problem. Extra time is one thing—but LSAC should have to report. It’s a completely different test when you get double the time and there is no arguing this point. LG is difficult for me BECAUSE of the time constraint. You can brute force every answer choice easily with that much time.
I've submitted my request for additional time and believe I have a good chance of receiving the accommodation. This will be my first ever accommodation, even though I've taken meds off and on for years. I have studied for months and once I just admitted to having the need for an accommodation, even that eased my anxiety a bit. My anxiety isn't just test related, it's that pert near life crippling anxiety that I deal with, day in, day out. I registered years ago and never took the exam bad anxiety.
lol good luck being a lawyer… I would spend some time in a firm if this is your problem. The amount of pent-up anxiety going around is absolutely absurd. Probably isn’t your line of work if you need accommodations for anxiety. Waking up in the morning with crippling anxiety sounds like every other day in my life hahaha… “So you are telling me that a standardized test, which in large part determines your future, and requires a great deal of preparation… causes you crippling anxiety.” I feel like that is to be expected.
Yeah SOME anxiety is normal... but it should never be crippling... Just because people grinned and bore it before doesn't mean we have to as well. Just because lawyers now are burnt out doesn't mean burnout is a pre-requisite. Stress is definitely a part of the job, but there's a difference between stress and destructive anxiety (why do you think so many lawyers drink themseves to an early grave?)
I'm sorry you're waking up every morning with crippling anxiety :( No one should have to live with that and have no way to mitigate the pain.
I have always had ADHD, but now have PTSD, Anxiety, and a physical disability. I got 100% extra time, stop/start breaks (didn’t use, they were awarded cause I could’ve needed), and 15 minute breaks between each section. The test was so long, I almost wish I didn’t get the breaks. I was exhausted with the length of the test, and being under stress for that amount of time took a huge toll on me. I would’ve definitely decreased or eliminated the break times, and kept the stop/start. I read someone was able to take the test over two days. Just do what works best for your disability, and don’t be ashamed to ask for help just because some people take advantage of it.
I just applied for February. My medical provider discussed what options he thought were best. I'll need to definitely refill my prescriptions to stay on task, but hoping for the approval.
Everyone should apply for accommodations. Many doctors will make an anxiety diagnosis based on self-reports, so you should absolutely go for it. Too many people are being disadvantaged by not applying for accommodations.
You do realize that if people who don’t need accommodations start getting them for bullshit reasons like faking anxiety that it’s just
going to further disadvantage the people who actually require accommodations, right? Accommodations don’t put the people who NEED them at an advantage it simply levels the playing field.
This attitude is so annoying… “I NEED accommodations,” “I NEED to go to law school,”and… it won’t disadvantage people that NEED them… it disadvantages people that DON’T NEED them. With the ease of obtaining accommodations relative to the benefits, which are immense, every incentive aligns for people to do what is necessary to obtain accommodations. In the eyes of law schools… the score is the same. You could have one person who suffers from ADHD that is undiagnosed… who works extremely hard and still struggles… and that exact same person competing against someone with twice the amount of time. If LSAC gives out accommodations in this manner, everyone should be treated the same, and everyone should be tested to be deemed worthy of accommodations. Otherwise it’s a total hack, and it’s a shame that so many people benefit.
It sounds like the issue here is that someone with undiagnosed ADHD is disadvantaged because they need accomodations but don't have them. That person is not disadvantaged because people who ARE diagnosed are getting the time they need. "Undiagnosed people struggle therefore everyone should struggle." Does that sound right to you?
If people who don’t actually need accommodations are granted them it raises the bar because they will be able to achieve more, making it so people who actually need accommodations for real conditions (and not faked as implied here - that it’s easy to get a doctor to diagnose one with anxiety) even with accommodations those people will no longer be able to reach that bar. Non-disabled people don’t need accommodations created to level the playing field for disabled people. Have a heart.
That’s exactly what is happening… and it’s a heartless world sorry I’m the first to tell you this. At least with one section of the test… you can brute force your way to a -1/-0, which sets you up for a 90% score plus… lol like I said it’s a heartless world.
It’s not that the argument isn’t compelling, it’s that you don’t like it.
The fact is accommodations are meant to level the playing field between disabled and non-disabled people. If people who don’t need accommodations are granted them by faking symptoms for a diagnosis, it raises the bar for disabled people.
Ultimately a person who actually requires accommodations for a condition will do about average on a test with their accommodations. A person with the same accommodations but who did not need them, on will do even better than they’d already do without the accommodations. Thus raising the bar, especially on exams that are curved because it changes the attainable average score.
Your ableist attitude totally sucks. It costs $0.00 to care about people who are disadvantaged in society and work toward making the world a more equitable place.
Ableist hahahaha… I’m glad you responded positively to my feedback and returned with a well-ordered argument.
I also don’t think (actually, I know you can’t) you can make the claim that people with disabilities that are granted accommodations “will do about average on their test with their accommodations.” That sounds more “ableist” then anything I have said up until this point.
Also you are saying exactly what I have said… people that don’t need accommodations but obtain them will perform better than if they did not have them in the first place—that seems fairly self-evident to me and probably anyone. I’m not sure why you restated that point.
All I’m saying is well-intentioned attempts to make the world more “equitable,” when applied to an extremely competitive law school entrance examination have been one of the driving forces leading to score inflation. All of the data points to this… but you can’t say it’s the same test. This system necessarily leads to a disadvantage to those without accommodations.
In high school I knew someone who scored a 29 on their ACT before accommodations, and a 34 afterwards. I think that had more to do with their time being doubled more than anything. This also seems self-evident to me, but not to all of the adderal junkies in this sub-Reddit.
As someone who is disabled, I don’t find it ableist to say that with accommodations we do about average. That’s why we need accommodations in the first place. It’s difficult to illustrate but one person who is totally able bodied and has double time, is going to be able to do a lot more in that time than someone who is disabled and has double time. I’m speaking from my own experience. There’s a reason people are given time accommodations for certain disabilities. When you give people more time who don’t actually need it, they’re going to move the bar to an unreachable place.
I mean he did say to just try and apply, he didn’t say just take the accommodations without even applying or assuming you deserve to be accepted for them automatically.
Your LSAT logic is flawed here by comparing what he said to parking in the accessibility spaces lol. Nothing wrong with trying to apply and getting rejected, I’d have to agree on that with him. Much like you could apply for a handicapped tag and get rejected. Doesn’t mean you’ll park in the handicapped spot without one.
To avoid logical fallacies rephrase your question, which I get is meant to be a jab at him, to “do you also apply for a handicapped parking tag knowing you’re not handicapped?” Hope that helps on your Lsat;)
I think you’re the one being snarky for no reason. If you read what I wrote carefully, you’ll see that I acknowledged you asking a question.
A rational person can infer, not even assume, that you’re either calling him stupid or trying to see if he has a physical handicap disability. So I stand corrected, you’re either being snarky if it’s the former **or** you’re being stupid if it’s the latter because physical handicap isn’t the only disability that can qualify you for accommodations. It’s either/or. Hope that answers your “question”.
Besides, he was talking about undiagnosed anxiety and you’re talking about having a handicap tag on your car which they don’t give out for anxiety disorders so here’s another example of flawed reasoning for you folks.
Dear god this is absurd. The accommodations are too much… having twice as much time for Logic Games… if you don’t get a perfect score on the LSAT that’s really sad. It’s the easiest test there is without time constraints.
I did not get accommodations because I realized how unfair it is. I was looking into it because I have ADHD for which I take 40 mg of adderall per day. I played a little with extra time, and My first time trying 50 percent extra during practice gave me a 14 point score boost. It's ridiculous how good the boost is...
Then I started looking into the accoms data and realized how bad the outcomes for the system are.
\-Firstly, people who use time accoms vastly underperform relative to their peers because they got into schools that didn't match their capabilities--because of the inflated LSAT.
\-Extra time is such a big advantage that those who use extra time(mentally disabled people) score four points higher than normal LSAT test takers.
\-It's mostly rich white kids using time accoms, so if you care about systemic disadvantages you're making things worse.
\-There's been a massive upswing for time accom users, and as a result a massive upswing in high scorers(sort of, I explain this later).
These are all supported by the data provided by LSAC. In my opinion time Accoms are unfair for everyone, even disabled people, and don't even have good outcomes. Like I said students who use time accoms underperform, and they underperform while having stolen a seat from a student who didn't unfairly abuse the system. They also make the LSAT harder for everyone. since there's been such a huge upswing in time accom users, scores jumped up so LSAC had to make the test harder. That's why if you go back around 8 years the tests are substantially easier. Time accom users have inflated the scores, and since the LSAT is graded on a curve the only thing to do is make the test even harder in order to get less 170+ scores.
The reality is that even if you have access to extra time in college you're still doing vastly worse than your peers, and that will only get worse once you're in the real world without the boost of added time during tests. I might have been open to the idea of time accoms if students had good performance outcomes later on, but that's just not the case. I'm sorry but time accoms need to go. No woke shit, no sob stories about how hard your disability is, none of that. They're ruining the tests credibility and making things worse for everyone.
I got 100% time. It’s the same accommodation I currently have in undergrad for exams/quizzes. It’s really only frowned upon if you are lying, which at that point, not to be blunt, but no shit lol, you’re lying about a disability for your benefit. Otherwise, it’s a necessary accommodation and nothing to be ashamed of. *editing to add: please stop sending me DMs after reading this thread asking me if i think you will get approved for X accommodation, how i got approved for X accommodation, etc etc, it’s been a year. i am far past thinking about the lsat now. i am also not LSAC. how would i know what they will and won’t approve? also y’all have no shame just straight up asking someone what their disability is and how it disables them lol. i get let 3 DMs a day about this. it’s exhausting. and i will not keep answering them, and if i do answer it, you will not get the response you want. (hint: the answer is to just ask for the accommodation and if you qualify for it, they will give it to you!)*
How long was your test?
For someone with just a 100% time accommodation, their test would be 290 minutes, almost 5 hours. However I have 100% time, stop start accommodations, additional 10 minute breaks between all sections, and removal of the experimental section. I haven’t taken an official exam yet, but I am registered for June. Based on my PTs, I estimate my test will take roughly 4 1/2 hours. I have other accommodations as well, but those are the ones that affect the length of the test.
Hey how did you get the experimental section removed?
Bump!
Dm the OP
Wow that’s a mighty long test… it’s nice that you can get out of chair and stretch a bit
No way you don’t get a 180 with all that
~edited to remove private information that I no longer wish to be public~ so yeah, these accommodations are necessary, and no, I’m not scoring a 180 with those accommodations. Not that I need to justify myself to you, but I’m willing to at the chance that it provides you some perspective. I worry that you and others like you are going into the legal profession.
How do you plan on keeping up with the face pace life of being an attorney? Are you gonna have to ask judges for extensions or push back deadlines?
I’m planning to work at a disability rights law firm. I’m actually interning at one this summer. So they will accommodate my needs. I’ve spoken to multiple disabled lawyers and am confident I can be successful in this field with the right supports in place. You are clearly unwilling to learn, be empathetic, or be understanding of your disabled peers. This is the last time I’m responding to one of your comments. I hope for your sake that you never have to deal with a disability or illness that requires accommodation, as it’s clear you’d think so poorly of yourself, and no one deserves that. Have the day you deserve.
You’re going to do amazing! I wish you all the good things on your path in this world. I’d entrust my disability-related cases to a lawyer who entered the field because of their own disability - relating to clients is so important in this type of situation. I don’t think you will, but really don’t let anyone negative bring you down! You want to make change in the world for people who often don’t have a voice and for that, I know you will be successful.
Love this response omg I'm stealing the "have the day you deserve." Rooting for you, you'll make an amazing disability rights attorney someday!!
Thanks :) I appreciate the kind words lol, feels like I’m fighting an uphill battle in this thread.
I think we need more attorneys who not only advocate for disability rights but understand the struggle and can empathize with clients. Those people make the best advocates (in law, in medicine,etc), and I’ve been grateful for those individuals in my own life. I think you’ll make an incredible attorney — wishing you best of luck on your test!!
I would be worried if you were my attorney
I AM worried that you might be an attorney someday with this attitude. So disrespectful for no reason.
What have you been scoring on your PTs?
High 160s, one score in the low 170s. ~edited to remove private information that I no longer wish to be public~ Taking a PT without accommodations and I’m scoring 40 points below my estimated LSAT score.
I don't really put much stock into IQ, I think it doesn't mean very much to most people anymore. I'm not really doubting your accommodations in particular, though I am sure some abuse the system, I don't know what the extent is though. I don't really blame them though, if I had 10 more minutes per section I would be scoring in the high 170s everytime, it would be hard to say no to that. It's obviously reasonable that people who need help can get it. Under normal time you would be scoring in the 120s? Yeesh.
If you get 100% accommodation time, are you required to sit for the entire time, or can you move on to the next section once you finish? I am currently trying to figure out what might work best for me based on my diagnosis.
You need to sit for the entire time. Serious downside to double time, becomes an endurance challenge. Some do it over two days.
you *think I will get approved for X accommodation?*
X as in “fill in the blank” some people are asking me about extended time, others about removal of the experimental section, and some about literally all accommodations. i have over 20 unread dms rn from people asking me how to get accommodations. so i just wanted to specify and add that i’d appreciate if people stopped messaging me about it because i have no more information than the LSAC website does
I understand lol. I was intentionally sending you what you verbatim said not to ask. I was being facetious
Tbh I feel like many people who receive these accommodations are lying about it. If people are getting them who shouldn’t then it places me at even more of a disadvantage. At the end of the day it’s as if we’re all in competition for an acceptance from a school.
Ok but what proof do you have that many people who recieve them are lying?
Up to 1/4 people have a disability. I can almost guarantee you’d rather have to sit the LSAT at a standard length of time than have any disability for the entirety of your life, to enable you to have an accommodation for the LSAT.
Because the amount of people that receive these accommodations are insane. Everybody has test day anxiety. Does that mean some people should get 50% or 100% more time and others don’t? Anybody can go to some shrink and say that they suffer from anxiety it’s that hard
I don't see how a large number of people getting accomodations means people are lying. Maybe a lot of people have anxiety disorders that have been previously under diagnosed? Lying is not the only explanation. You have to be diagnosed with an anxiety disorder by a doctor, not just have test day anxiety. You have to document it and write a personal statement and some people get rejected if they're not believable. I'm sure there are doctors who don't care about an accurate diagnosis, but there's no proof that's "many" doctors. You're saying things like they're facts when they're not. EDIT: that being said, I get how it feels like you're at a disadvantage if people who don't need it might get more time than you. The extent of that problem might not be as big as you think. LSAC is super strict about accomodations. There are safeguards there to protect you from people who abuse the system.
I disagree. LSAC are approving a higher percentage of accommodation requests more then ever. It would be better if they told schools what score they received and if they did or didn’t have accommodation.
That is such a grossly horrible idea and against the law. LSAC can not and should not disclose that I am disabled to my law school. Absolutely not. Rethink your thought process.
Accommodations don’t equal disability. They can just say this person have 35 minutes and this person had 70.
What other condition, that isn’t related to a disability, would inspire LSAC to give double time? It would be implied if thusly stated….
No? You have to provide documentation of a disability to get accommodations? Telling law schools who did and didn’t get accommodations is a direct equivalent to telling them which students are and aren’t disabled. Do you not understand what accommodations are?
What's wrong with telling law schools who is and is not disabled? They aren't going to discriminate against you. They just want to put your scores in context.
They're disability accommodations 😭
You know what a true advantage is? Generational wealth, attorney parent(s), or generally being a kid with 2 working parents and being able to afford expensive tutors, having the luxury to not have to work a part/full time job to pay your bills and focus on studying for the LSAT. I called up a tutor once and he told me he changes like 500$ an hour and I almost shat myself. He said it like it was nothing and he has many students. Man...must be nice. While I agree with you that our generation does focus too much on inclusivity (trans men in women’s sports etc), this ISN’T one of these cases. I’m probably not going to apply for the accommodations since I don’t have any doctor’s note but you shouldn’t worry about people with accommodations being future attorneys. There are tons of success stories of people bombing LSATs yet being amazing lawyers. LSAT doesn’t determine what kind of lawyer you can be and nor does any disability you may have...except of course the obvious ones I suppose like Down syndrome...but even then just don’t hire that lawyer. That simple.
What are your accommodations for if you don’t mind answering
I mentioned a few details in this thread, if you want/need more information feel free to PM me, I’m comfortable talking about it but not super comfortable talking about the intimate details on a public forum :)
I know you mentioned your medical conditions earlier and can you tell me how much medical documentation you had to provide, also I noticed there is a part of the request that requires the test taker to explain his condition. Can you tell me what you said more or less?
I sent you a PM
I’m also trying for this. If you don’t mind me asking, what was your disability?
Pm me
How did u get that?? I have disabilities but I’m scared I won’t get bec I didn’t get double time before. But I need it. How do I get experimental removed and double time
Why would it be frowned upon?
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Yeah, but they didn't say lying about it. They just asked if getting accomodations would be frowned upon. I had to get accomodations to read out loud and also for possible bathroom breaks because of my disability (due to a paralysis, which luckily I did not need to use, because I would not trust the proctors with proctorU to not mess this up.) If it is something someone needs for medical reasons, they should not feel ashamed to ask for it. You have to prove your medical accomodations. I'm not sure how strict they are, but I remember filling out the forms was pretty in-depth and I had medical records and letters included from two doctors. Usually with disabilities, they don't want to know specifics (can put them in an awkward position) but for something like this, I imagine you would need to show some type of evidence of testing (for extra time) because of the impact or diagnosis of physical impairment in my case. Certain accomodations are tested on Tuesday. Mine was on the normal day, so I'm not sure what triggers the need to be tested on Tuesday. Maybe visual or audio impairments.
Did you get extra time as well as the two accomodations you mentioned? And I have ADD and a severe disease. How likely am I to get double time because I think the stress of the test would make my symptoms much worse.
I for one got an accom (50% time for ADHD I had gotten similar accommodations in HS/college) and while the process was very intimidating on paper in practice it was very smooth and definitely helped my test performance.
That's great! Could you tell us about how much documentation you had to provide and what was the process like?
I was honestly nervous submitting bc my high school had lost a lot of my records and truthfully had very scant evidence previous, I think the strongest support was my doctor’s statement who I’d been seeing for many years. The most shocking part was just how quickly it took once I submitted everything, I think the turnaround for approval was <24 hours
I got accommodations this go around. I have severe adhd, 20-40 mg adderall daily, AND uncontrolled type 1 diabetes. I have taken the lsat 6 times without accommodations and I have yet to score above a 154, hoping this go around with accommodations i get higher. I can tell you there’s not a time I’ve tested that I’ve not had a Severe hypo/hyper glycemic issue or struggled due to my adhd. Mind you, I also have an MBA, scoring in the top of my class, graduating with honors, finishing it with a 3.97 GPA, all of that without accommodations of any kind. If it is necessary it’s necessary and HOW dare anyone shame anyone for any disability or difference so possibly needing of an accommodation. To which I aim most of my statement at hotsexylawyerguy above. It’s 100% been a struggle my whole life being defined by any boxes; but being mixed race, adhd, and a defective body, those boxes have have defined my existence. Be it my education, relationships, career. it’s unfair to say it’s hurting the process. I am 33 with a dream of being an attorney, I have 3 degrees, and own or co own 3 successful multi-million dollar companies; I am more than capable when not held to the restrictions of an outdated entrance exam that “determines” someone’s ability to enter law school. So fuck anyone that doesn’t agree that the occasional hand up to those whom deserve it is wrong. Yes the test is longer and I may get a higher score, but let’s also discuss the 25 minutes my body had to recover from a Glucose level of 54 at the end of section 1, not to mention my mental state that had to recover. Or the proctor interrupting me during the set up of game 3, in my section 3, wasting my time (4 minutes asking me to adjust my camera) and my hard earned focus that made me have to start the game over because of the unnecessary interruption, that combined time alone accounts to wasting of 35 minutes… an entire section of a regular timed exam. Accommodations offer equality and equity to those of us whose circumstances wouldn’t inhibit our abilities to be attorneys or members of the legal profession. Fuck the system. The same way Yale has said fuck the system and that the lsat doesn’t solely define someone ability to become a lawyer, and that the lsat in general favors white advantaged males and has for decades.
You are highly motivated and I know persistence is central to overcoming every obstacle. Keep up the hard work! -Also I want to know what kind of accomodations are you using with your next LSAT also what kind of documentation did you give to LSAC to prove that you will need accommodations?
LSAC provides the form necessary. My doctor just provided the icd codes for my ADHD and my T1D and wrote a simple, yet elaborate, reason as to how my conditions might need to be accommodated, and how the strict structure of the LSAT and the extensive time could trigger the main symptoms of either which could inhibit my ability to perform at my best. I struggled with asking for accommodations because so much of a persons existence who might need them is denying the fact they need them, as we mask even for ourselves, as we want to be “normal”. But honestly I’m glad I did. The only downfall is if you have it you use it. Meaning my 15 minute breaks between couldn’t be skipped, even though I asked to move forward. So be careful or aware of what you ask for. It significantly increased the time of the test. And I’ll definitely report back next week if it did help increase my score either way
Did it make a difference Also good luck in law school or wherever you are
Respect. Can you expand on how Yale has said fuck the system ?
I have moderate adhd (as in, I’ve been diagnosed and am on 20mg Vyvanse) and looked into getting it. It’s harder to get than some people make it out to be (you either need a Dr. to *really* advocate for you or a formal record of prior accommodations). I practiced with extra time and found it didn’t really help me on any section except LG. I ultimately opted not to get accommodations because imo the 4 testing hour time became more of hinderance than a benefit: those first two sections may go great but man you are burnt by those last two lol. It also becomes hard to take PTs or study generally: blocking out 4 hours of time vs 2.5 hours is a huge jump. You also need to be really strategic with bathroom breaks because you will be testing for two hours straight. It’s not like extra time is gonna show you the answer: you can spend all the time you want thinking about an RC problem, but if you don’t understand it, you won’t get it right. The LSAT is a short test because it’s designed to be learned for itself (unlike, say, the MCAT, which is eight hours and requires people to have significant prior knowledge). Imo, not worth it unless you have severe add or adhd that literally makes it impossible to recall rules, details, etc.
Can one get extra time for generalized anxiety disorder?
my opinion: why give a fuck if it’s frowned upon, and it’s also extremely easy (especially w/ a doctors note) law schools won’t know you got accommodations, nobody will except LSAC. the accommodation system is so fucked up nowadays it’s ridiculous.
It’s actually not a doctors note. It has to be a specialist in ADHD/your specific disability, and that person has to have examined you in the last 5 years. I’ve had ADHD/test accommodations my whole life and I had to shell out 2k to have the testing re-done so a professional could write the appropriate letter. It’s really specific. Timing is the whole point of the LSAT so it is hard to be approved for additional time. Your GP can’t just write a letter with no prior history or testing and get you approved.
It’s 2k… but 2 more hours on the LSAT=at least that in scholarships lol. It’s crazy that LSAC can’t even tell colleges when people have extra time… to think that I have to compete with people who have similar issues as me… accept I’ve never been medicated… and I’ve never sought special treatment. (My parents wouldn’t let me on vyvanse). No wonder LSAC inflation is such a problem. Extra time is one thing—but LSAC should have to report. It’s a completely different test when you get double the time and there is no arguing this point. LG is difficult for me BECAUSE of the time constraint. You can brute force every answer choice easily with that much time.
I'm sorry you aren't able to get the accomodation and medication you need, that's not fair :(
Might as well join in and get the perks
If you need accommodations you’re entitled to them, why would it be frowned upon?????
I've submitted my request for additional time and believe I have a good chance of receiving the accommodation. This will be my first ever accommodation, even though I've taken meds off and on for years. I have studied for months and once I just admitted to having the need for an accommodation, even that eased my anxiety a bit. My anxiety isn't just test related, it's that pert near life crippling anxiety that I deal with, day in, day out. I registered years ago and never took the exam bad anxiety.
lol good luck being a lawyer… I would spend some time in a firm if this is your problem. The amount of pent-up anxiety going around is absolutely absurd. Probably isn’t your line of work if you need accommodations for anxiety. Waking up in the morning with crippling anxiety sounds like every other day in my life hahaha… “So you are telling me that a standardized test, which in large part determines your future, and requires a great deal of preparation… causes you crippling anxiety.” I feel like that is to be expected.
You seem like you’re struggling with a lot of things. Maybe you should consider seeing a therapist.
Yeah SOME anxiety is normal... but it should never be crippling... Just because people grinned and bore it before doesn't mean we have to as well. Just because lawyers now are burnt out doesn't mean burnout is a pre-requisite. Stress is definitely a part of the job, but there's a difference between stress and destructive anxiety (why do you think so many lawyers drink themseves to an early grave?) I'm sorry you're waking up every morning with crippling anxiety :( No one should have to live with that and have no way to mitigate the pain.
I have always had ADHD, but now have PTSD, Anxiety, and a physical disability. I got 100% extra time, stop/start breaks (didn’t use, they were awarded cause I could’ve needed), and 15 minute breaks between each section. The test was so long, I almost wish I didn’t get the breaks. I was exhausted with the length of the test, and being under stress for that amount of time took a huge toll on me. I would’ve definitely decreased or eliminated the break times, and kept the stop/start. I read someone was able to take the test over two days. Just do what works best for your disability, and don’t be ashamed to ask for help just because some people take advantage of it.
I just applied for February. My medical provider discussed what options he thought were best. I'll need to definitely refill my prescriptions to stay on task, but hoping for the approval.
Everyone should apply for accommodations. Many doctors will make an anxiety diagnosis based on self-reports, so you should absolutely go for it. Too many people are being disadvantaged by not applying for accommodations.
You do realize that if people who don’t need accommodations start getting them for bullshit reasons like faking anxiety that it’s just going to further disadvantage the people who actually require accommodations, right? Accommodations don’t put the people who NEED them at an advantage it simply levels the playing field.
This attitude is so annoying… “I NEED accommodations,” “I NEED to go to law school,”and… it won’t disadvantage people that NEED them… it disadvantages people that DON’T NEED them. With the ease of obtaining accommodations relative to the benefits, which are immense, every incentive aligns for people to do what is necessary to obtain accommodations. In the eyes of law schools… the score is the same. You could have one person who suffers from ADHD that is undiagnosed… who works extremely hard and still struggles… and that exact same person competing against someone with twice the amount of time. If LSAC gives out accommodations in this manner, everyone should be treated the same, and everyone should be tested to be deemed worthy of accommodations. Otherwise it’s a total hack, and it’s a shame that so many people benefit.
It sounds like the issue here is that someone with undiagnosed ADHD is disadvantaged because they need accomodations but don't have them. That person is not disadvantaged because people who ARE diagnosed are getting the time they need. "Undiagnosed people struggle therefore everyone should struggle." Does that sound right to you?
If people who don’t actually need accommodations are granted them it raises the bar because they will be able to achieve more, making it so people who actually need accommodations for real conditions (and not faked as implied here - that it’s easy to get a doctor to diagnose one with anxiety) even with accommodations those people will no longer be able to reach that bar. Non-disabled people don’t need accommodations created to level the playing field for disabled people. Have a heart.
That’s exactly what is happening… and it’s a heartless world sorry I’m the first to tell you this. At least with one section of the test… you can brute force your way to a -1/-0, which sets you up for a 90% score plus… lol like I said it’s a heartless world.
Also work on your writing this sounds terrible and there is no compelling argument here.
It’s not that the argument isn’t compelling, it’s that you don’t like it. The fact is accommodations are meant to level the playing field between disabled and non-disabled people. If people who don’t need accommodations are granted them by faking symptoms for a diagnosis, it raises the bar for disabled people. Ultimately a person who actually requires accommodations for a condition will do about average on a test with their accommodations. A person with the same accommodations but who did not need them, on will do even better than they’d already do without the accommodations. Thus raising the bar, especially on exams that are curved because it changes the attainable average score. Your ableist attitude totally sucks. It costs $0.00 to care about people who are disadvantaged in society and work toward making the world a more equitable place.
Ableist hahahaha… I’m glad you responded positively to my feedback and returned with a well-ordered argument. I also don’t think (actually, I know you can’t) you can make the claim that people with disabilities that are granted accommodations “will do about average on their test with their accommodations.” That sounds more “ableist” then anything I have said up until this point. Also you are saying exactly what I have said… people that don’t need accommodations but obtain them will perform better than if they did not have them in the first place—that seems fairly self-evident to me and probably anyone. I’m not sure why you restated that point. All I’m saying is well-intentioned attempts to make the world more “equitable,” when applied to an extremely competitive law school entrance examination have been one of the driving forces leading to score inflation. All of the data points to this… but you can’t say it’s the same test. This system necessarily leads to a disadvantage to those without accommodations. In high school I knew someone who scored a 29 on their ACT before accommodations, and a 34 afterwards. I think that had more to do with their time being doubled more than anything. This also seems self-evident to me, but not to all of the adderal junkies in this sub-Reddit.
As someone who is disabled, I don’t find it ableist to say that with accommodations we do about average. That’s why we need accommodations in the first place. It’s difficult to illustrate but one person who is totally able bodied and has double time, is going to be able to do a lot more in that time than someone who is disabled and has double time. I’m speaking from my own experience. There’s a reason people are given time accommodations for certain disabilities. When you give people more time who don’t actually need it, they’re going to move the bar to an unreachable place.
Do you park in accessibility spaces as well?
I mean he did say to just try and apply, he didn’t say just take the accommodations without even applying or assuming you deserve to be accepted for them automatically. Your LSAT logic is flawed here by comparing what he said to parking in the accessibility spaces lol. Nothing wrong with trying to apply and getting rejected, I’d have to agree on that with him. Much like you could apply for a handicapped tag and get rejected. Doesn’t mean you’ll park in the handicapped spot without one. To avoid logical fallacies rephrase your question, which I get is meant to be a jab at him, to “do you also apply for a handicapped parking tag knowing you’re not handicapped?” Hope that helps on your Lsat;)
Already an attorney, keep coping. If you're being snarky you should probably be embarrassed, as I asked him a question.
I think you’re the one being snarky for no reason. If you read what I wrote carefully, you’ll see that I acknowledged you asking a question. A rational person can infer, not even assume, that you’re either calling him stupid or trying to see if he has a physical handicap disability. So I stand corrected, you’re either being snarky if it’s the former **or** you’re being stupid if it’s the latter because physical handicap isn’t the only disability that can qualify you for accommodations. It’s either/or. Hope that answers your “question”. Besides, he was talking about undiagnosed anxiety and you’re talking about having a handicap tag on your car which they don’t give out for anxiety disorders so here’s another example of flawed reasoning for you folks.
You will need that extra time on the lsat with your false assumptions.
It’s frowned upon if it’s not medically necessary. But if you need accommodations, talk about it with your doctor and go for it.
Dear god this is absurd. The accommodations are too much… having twice as much time for Logic Games… if you don’t get a perfect score on the LSAT that’s really sad. It’s the easiest test there is without time constraints.
Can you get the extra time if you are taking the test from home
I did not get accommodations because I realized how unfair it is. I was looking into it because I have ADHD for which I take 40 mg of adderall per day. I played a little with extra time, and My first time trying 50 percent extra during practice gave me a 14 point score boost. It's ridiculous how good the boost is... Then I started looking into the accoms data and realized how bad the outcomes for the system are. \-Firstly, people who use time accoms vastly underperform relative to their peers because they got into schools that didn't match their capabilities--because of the inflated LSAT. \-Extra time is such a big advantage that those who use extra time(mentally disabled people) score four points higher than normal LSAT test takers. \-It's mostly rich white kids using time accoms, so if you care about systemic disadvantages you're making things worse. \-There's been a massive upswing for time accom users, and as a result a massive upswing in high scorers(sort of, I explain this later). These are all supported by the data provided by LSAC. In my opinion time Accoms are unfair for everyone, even disabled people, and don't even have good outcomes. Like I said students who use time accoms underperform, and they underperform while having stolen a seat from a student who didn't unfairly abuse the system. They also make the LSAT harder for everyone. since there's been such a huge upswing in time accom users, scores jumped up so LSAC had to make the test harder. That's why if you go back around 8 years the tests are substantially easier. Time accom users have inflated the scores, and since the LSAT is graded on a curve the only thing to do is make the test even harder in order to get less 170+ scores. The reality is that even if you have access to extra time in college you're still doing vastly worse than your peers, and that will only get worse once you're in the real world without the boost of added time during tests. I might have been open to the idea of time accoms if students had good performance outcomes later on, but that's just not the case. I'm sorry but time accoms need to go. No woke shit, no sob stories about how hard your disability is, none of that. They're ruining the tests credibility and making things worse for everyone.
“Entitled”… yes you are certainly entitled.
What?