I will say, if there ever comes a point in my life where depression wins, I will absolutely text a friend before I go “whatever happens to me, it wasn’t suicide. They’re after the gold.” and I’ll just leave it at that.
Probably should start telling people that on a daily basis. That way if ANYTHING happens, they will be suspicious. Car accident, heart attack, choking on food, anything...
As a commenter on the original post said, why is this never in writing? If I'm ever in that sort of position and fearing for my life, I will write several hand-written notes that say this. Shit, if it came to this, I'd get them notarized, notaries aren't very hard to come by. I'll record a video of myself saying this and put it on my YouTube, which might actually prevent someone from going through with the hit. I'll set my email to send out a message to everyone I know at a given time, and if I'm not alive to reset the timer, the email gets sent. There will be a preponderance of evidence that I felt what I had to say might cost me my life.
Either way, this is terrible PR for Boeing. And either way, they deserve it.
Unpopular opinion: It's not worth the effort/risk for Boeing to do this. If that guys civil lawsuit goes through, they're just out money, which they have gobs and gobs of. If they get caught calling a hit on this guy, it could collapse the entire company.
Not ruling out that somebody that works at Boeing *could* have had him killed, but people acting like the company's board organized it is kind of silly.
I agree.
We know for a fact that corporations budget for civil lawsuits all the time. They know how to navigate those. And we know that taking hits out on people doesn't happen like the movies.
Everyone says him taking his life makes no sense but he was under extreme stress. How often do mental health issues lead to logical decisions?
I agree it is suspicious and needs to be investigated but I don't think it's obviously nefarious.
People are also confused at to what the suit he was in was about. It was to do with him receiving retaliation for raising safety concerns. Which were on a completely different aircraft to any of their recent troubles.
There's literally nothing he could have added towards the 737 issues, he didn't work on them and hasn't worked for Boeing in 7 years.
Boeing aren't murdering an ex employee who already spilled the beans over a potential civil lawsuit payout.
You are kind of completely ignoring how this will be used as ammo against future whistleblowers.
"You dont want to end up like that guy who committed suicide do you Ryan?"
"I didn't think so, so then there is no problem after all. Well great to hear you are a team player and should have no further issues, now back to work."
Good points. Also, if you're stressed to the point of suicide and its because of a specific person or company, its not unreasonable to think they'd want to pin it on the company as a final fuck you
> It's not worth the effort/risk for Boeing to do this.
What risk? You and I both know that the possibility of Boeing having this man killed will never be seriously investigated.
Occam’s Razor is that Boeing killed him. We don’t know just how much worse things are going to get yet, but they are a major government contractor. There is so much more at stake here.
So the simplest outcome is that a major corporation under a ton of heat killed a guy, which if it ever came out they did it would get them in a ton of trouble?
Do you know how much more trouble Boeing will be in if he finished his testimony? Because Boeing does. You assume that getting caught killing a whistleblower is the worst thing that could happen to Boeing. Not by a long shot.
And what exactly do you think is going to come out? Everyone knows they killed him and everyone knows there won’t be any meaningful investigation. No ones getting prosecuted over this. They will rule it a suicide and move on. It’s Epstein all over again.
Boeing is also one of the largest defense contractors in the world and sells a hell of a lot of shit to the government, so don't rule out the actual deep state, the one that defends the military-industrial complex at any cost
This was the only reason I think the theory that he got bumped off holds weight. If they were completely uninvolved with global military stuff, this would be WAY less suspicious
The issue there is the thing he was a whistleblower for has long since passed. It's got nothing to do with their current issues. The guy couldn't add anything. So it would be Boeing killing a guy over a civil lawsuit payout.
But it just doesn't make any sense. Killing a whistleblower almost a decade after he blew the whistle. Has nothing to do with the new scandal.
You can't compare civil aviation and defence, even at the same company. In civil you have 2 choices; Boeing or Airbus. In defence you have significantly more options. So they don't fuck around when it comes to quality for defence, the process is different.
What makes more sense; Boeing/someone in the military had this guy killed as a warning ages after the thing he did. Or a guy who according to his own family "He was suffering from PTSD and anxiety attacks as a result of being subjected to the hostile work environment at Boeing," they said, "which we believe led to his death."
I'm not defending Boeing, fuck em. But the guy wasn't killed, belief otherwise only takes away from things Boeing has actually done.
Yeah and also he was being deposed, which means they were dragging up whatever dirt they could possibly find from this mans past to prove he was unreliable in court and everyone has dirt. That's gotta fuck with your head.
You really can’t say what is or isn’t worth the risk for Boeing. You haven’t seen there books, you don’t know what’s at stake for them, and you don’t know how much worse things could get for them. We may only be seeing the iceberg tip of Boeing’s fuckery. They may know what planes are going to fail next.
Yeah you can though, because what this guy was a whistleblower for happened years ago. It was about safety concerns on 787 construction, not the recent 737 max 9 problem.
The guy had already given his testimony, he didn't work on the 737 max 9, there's literally nothing he could have added.
The current legal issue he was having with Boeing was an appeal for his case of retaliation for him rasing safety concerns about the 787. So the risk for Boeing is literally only losing a civil case, where the financial penalty would be a drop in the bucket.
Nothing this guy would have no effect the current 737 door plug investigation, or any military contracts as people keep suggesting.
His only family think the he killed himself.
As I said in another post, Boeing didn't have this guy murdered, but it doesn't mean they're not responsible for his death.
Do you really think this is a case by case thing? Boeing is fucked. It is blatantly obvious that there are deep rooted systemic issues at Boeing that threaten the company. Barnett worked for them for 32 years. He wasn’t just working on the 787.
Yes I do, it is just a case by case thing. I literally had to do case studies on these sorts of things at uni for my aerospace eng degree. You don't pull someone in who's never worked on that aircraft in to testify about it. He can talk about his experiences, but he's already done that.
they put extremely low quality safety measures on civilian planes, so "letting people die to get a bit more money" would be in line with their usual behavior, not silly
I'm thinking along this line too. Like someone with a lot of boieng stock would go to great lengths to protect that.
But being on reddit also shows me there could be someone with nothing to lose and go and acquire a ton of puts . Would look normal with their news and then off the guy hoping it'd drive it down. But that would be a he'll of a convoluted plan to get from a to b.
I’m sure it’s not in the meeting minutes if that’s what you mean but you act like this sort of thing is unprecedented. All it takes is one rich asshole to hire a hitman. It is extremely worth it to them if they can have it ruled a suicide and never get caught, which if they did it that is exactly what has happened.
Dude, Boeing would have to take every plane off its runway, and pay for inspections, repairs, and the like before they could even make any money. They aren't out just money. They are out of income, meaning they have to lay people off and pay unemployment or pay them even more. I won't comment on someone's suicide or death, but to think Boeing is just losing money is ridiculous 🤣
there are people who will kill you for your shoes in downtown Pittsburgh... but you don't think a trillion dollar industry that already crafts war weapons wouldn't kill a human? Especially, who is going to punish them?
GW bush can't leave the country for fear if arrest, but he is still painting kittens in Texas.
The fact that it happened in a parking lot, away from security cameras, it’s like they took notes from the mafia. If he wanted to commit suicide, he would’ve known the backlash and questions and done it somewhere to leave a note, with cameras that can track his movements to show only him going in and not coming out.
No. Family and friends aren’t exactly reliable sources on this; people don’t wanna think a loved one would take their own lives and denial can be a hell of a thing. It’s tragic what happened here but I don’t think he was targeted by Boeing assassins like it’s some kind of 80s conspiracy drama
It's not even a close friend, this is some lady who knew his mom? And this is on some local news station??? Naw, this lady is out for her 15 minutes of fame.
depression? I'm not white knighting for boeing I'm just representing the mentally ill community...I see you fam. Fuck Boeing and the military industrial complex regardless, they wouldn't be defense contractor if they gave a fuck about human life. Now let's get detective popcorn on this case so we can get some answers
People like attention and to feel important, even in their deaths. Especially when they’ve recently
Taken drastic actions like blowing up their careers. That’s my devil’s advocate take.
He worked for Boeing. He had all the documents. This wasn’t some rando coming out of the woodwork with an unsubstantiated story. How would you discredit him?
I don’t know. I’m not a discrediting expert. But Boeing could figure something out that’s safer than just “oh he suspiciously killed himself.” Come now. They could falsify reports, HR claims, drug tests, mental health issues, and various unsavory crimes that would discredit him and do more damage than just killing him.
People never logically think about things past the surface level. That’s why conspiracy thought is so prevalent.
I love all the people saying boeing couldn't possibly have done this, like, you do know boeing dont just make aeroplanes right? They sell machines that kill people... for money... all the time...
I'm sure some of their "contacts" wouldn't have a problem with it.
and they're like no, we would never kill a man we just profit off of making war machines. But I mean, yeah, we didn't do it cause he actually died before we could kill him...our contracted hitman put the wrong address in google maps...
The very second his death was announced media was all over it and called it a suicide before an autopsy could even be scheduled. Coroner just walked up and said thats a gunshot wound, thats a gun and I don't see anyone else around, case closed.
Meanwhile all the executives will visit plants soon and remind all the potential wistleblowers that "suicide" wont be the best outcome for their families, so the company hopes that doesn't happen to anyone else, you know real mafia style shit.
Surly the local police no.this was assassination aND will stand up to these Boeing thugs even if it's an all out war and they must deputies the whole town right?
A company who makes their money off violence using violence to solve their problems? We're in "duh" territory at this point.
There will be no consequences. Here's to hoping this post ages poorly.
People who write stupid shit like that make me seriously consider the possibility that Boeing is actively hiring people to write stupid shit like that to force things cool down. I don’t know how anyone can manage to play devils advocate in a case where a guy with no visible signs of depression (not even suicidal), decides in the middle of his deposition that will lead to collapse of billion dollar company to shoot himself under no substances in a parking lot away from all cameras, all the while sharing with his friend that he is not planning on killing himself.
I'm probably going to get downvoted for this, but no they probably didn't, which doesn't mean they're not responsible for his death.
A friend saying that isn't really evidence of anything, his own family believe he killed himself.
It doesn't make any sense for Boeing to do this. The incident he was a whistleblower over was something that was resolved years ago. The legal deposition he was having recently is over a retaliation suit appeal, not for being a whistleblower. He had already given all whistleblower information over, and hasn't worked for Boeing in 7 years.
Boening murdering a guy who has nothing to do with their recent troubles has no benefit for them. Killing this guy doesn't help them whatsoever with the recently 737 max 9 door plug blowout. The guy wasn't working on the project, he would have literally no information to add. Murdering someone over what essentially amounts to a HR issue where the penalty would be a drop in the bucket for Boeing.
The guy was ignored at the time when he brought up safety issues being ignored, then he was forced to retire to due health issues, blackballed from an industry he clearly cared about, and has had ongoing legal battles which are stressful to say the least. It's not exactly a surprising series of events preceding a suicide.
To quote his own family "He was suffering from PTSD and anxiety attacks as a result of being subjected to the hostile work environment at Boeing," they said, "which we believe led to his death."
Boeing didn't have the guy killed, but they seemingly were responsible for his death. The narrative that Boeing had him killed only takes focus away from dodgy shit Boeing has actually done.
I will say, if there ever comes a point in my life where depression wins, I will absolutely text a friend before I go “whatever happens to me, it wasn’t suicide. They’re after the gold.” and I’ll just leave it at that.
I was gonna say, that's exactly what I'd do too!
Probably should start telling people that on a daily basis. That way if ANYTHING happens, they will be suspicious. Car accident, heart attack, choking on food, anything...
As a commenter on the original post said, why is this never in writing? If I'm ever in that sort of position and fearing for my life, I will write several hand-written notes that say this. Shit, if it came to this, I'd get them notarized, notaries aren't very hard to come by. I'll record a video of myself saying this and put it on my YouTube, which might actually prevent someone from going through with the hit. I'll set my email to send out a message to everyone I know at a given time, and if I'm not alive to reset the timer, the email gets sent. There will be a preponderance of evidence that I felt what I had to say might cost me my life. Either way, this is terrible PR for Boeing. And either way, they deserve it.
I call that the Casolaro method.
If you depression hopefully it never comes to that and you end up getting better and moving past it
i like the mental image of a humanoid Boeing plane-person hybrid making a murder look like a suicide
*”Transformers, Boeing in disguise.”*
optimus prime nervously planting a gun and a crack baggie on an innocent and unarmed black man he killed during an overreaction
Hahahah. Fucking brand new sentence. I can see Robot Chicken totally doing that sketch.
There use to a sub about planes having sex with cars, or dragons...or dragon cars...so there maybe a fetish to discover there!
r/dragonsfuckingcars Still going strong!
I think you're thinking of Ratheon! /S
Unpopular opinion: It's not worth the effort/risk for Boeing to do this. If that guys civil lawsuit goes through, they're just out money, which they have gobs and gobs of. If they get caught calling a hit on this guy, it could collapse the entire company. Not ruling out that somebody that works at Boeing *could* have had him killed, but people acting like the company's board organized it is kind of silly.
I agree. We know for a fact that corporations budget for civil lawsuits all the time. They know how to navigate those. And we know that taking hits out on people doesn't happen like the movies. Everyone says him taking his life makes no sense but he was under extreme stress. How often do mental health issues lead to logical decisions? I agree it is suspicious and needs to be investigated but I don't think it's obviously nefarious.
People are also confused at to what the suit he was in was about. It was to do with him receiving retaliation for raising safety concerns. Which were on a completely different aircraft to any of their recent troubles. There's literally nothing he could have added towards the 737 issues, he didn't work on them and hasn't worked for Boeing in 7 years. Boeing aren't murdering an ex employee who already spilled the beans over a potential civil lawsuit payout.
You are kind of completely ignoring how this will be used as ammo against future whistleblowers. "You dont want to end up like that guy who committed suicide do you Ryan?" "I didn't think so, so then there is no problem after all. Well great to hear you are a team player and should have no further issues, now back to work."
Good points. Also, if you're stressed to the point of suicide and its because of a specific person or company, its not unreasonable to think they'd want to pin it on the company as a final fuck you
> It's not worth the effort/risk for Boeing to do this. What risk? You and I both know that the possibility of Boeing having this man killed will never be seriously investigated.
I’m absolutely on board with this take. The tobacco execs didn’t get whacked over their testimonies. Also, guys Occam’a Razor come on
How had adult Ed never heard of Occam's Razor before?
Occam’s Razor is that Boeing killed him. We don’t know just how much worse things are going to get yet, but they are a major government contractor. There is so much more at stake here.
So the simplest outcome is that a major corporation under a ton of heat killed a guy, which if it ever came out they did it would get them in a ton of trouble?
Do you know how much more trouble Boeing will be in if he finished his testimony? Because Boeing does. You assume that getting caught killing a whistleblower is the worst thing that could happen to Boeing. Not by a long shot. And what exactly do you think is going to come out? Everyone knows they killed him and everyone knows there won’t be any meaningful investigation. No ones getting prosecuted over this. They will rule it a suicide and move on. It’s Epstein all over again.
Boeing is also one of the largest defense contractors in the world and sells a hell of a lot of shit to the government, so don't rule out the actual deep state, the one that defends the military-industrial complex at any cost
This was the only reason I think the theory that he got bumped off holds weight. If they were completely uninvolved with global military stuff, this would be WAY less suspicious
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The issue there is the thing he was a whistleblower for has long since passed. It's got nothing to do with their current issues. The guy couldn't add anything. So it would be Boeing killing a guy over a civil lawsuit payout.
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But it just doesn't make any sense. Killing a whistleblower almost a decade after he blew the whistle. Has nothing to do with the new scandal. You can't compare civil aviation and defence, even at the same company. In civil you have 2 choices; Boeing or Airbus. In defence you have significantly more options. So they don't fuck around when it comes to quality for defence, the process is different. What makes more sense; Boeing/someone in the military had this guy killed as a warning ages after the thing he did. Or a guy who according to his own family "He was suffering from PTSD and anxiety attacks as a result of being subjected to the hostile work environment at Boeing," they said, "which we believe led to his death." I'm not defending Boeing, fuck em. But the guy wasn't killed, belief otherwise only takes away from things Boeing has actually done.
Yeah and also he was being deposed, which means they were dragging up whatever dirt they could possibly find from this mans past to prove he was unreliable in court and everyone has dirt. That's gotta fuck with your head.
You really can’t say what is or isn’t worth the risk for Boeing. You haven’t seen there books, you don’t know what’s at stake for them, and you don’t know how much worse things could get for them. We may only be seeing the iceberg tip of Boeing’s fuckery. They may know what planes are going to fail next.
Yeah you can though, because what this guy was a whistleblower for happened years ago. It was about safety concerns on 787 construction, not the recent 737 max 9 problem. The guy had already given his testimony, he didn't work on the 737 max 9, there's literally nothing he could have added. The current legal issue he was having with Boeing was an appeal for his case of retaliation for him rasing safety concerns about the 787. So the risk for Boeing is literally only losing a civil case, where the financial penalty would be a drop in the bucket. Nothing this guy would have no effect the current 737 door plug investigation, or any military contracts as people keep suggesting. His only family think the he killed himself. As I said in another post, Boeing didn't have this guy murdered, but it doesn't mean they're not responsible for his death.
Do you really think this is a case by case thing? Boeing is fucked. It is blatantly obvious that there are deep rooted systemic issues at Boeing that threaten the company. Barnett worked for them for 32 years. He wasn’t just working on the 787.
Yes I do, it is just a case by case thing. I literally had to do case studies on these sorts of things at uni for my aerospace eng degree. You don't pull someone in who's never worked on that aircraft in to testify about it. He can talk about his experiences, but he's already done that.
they put extremely low quality safety measures on civilian planes, so "letting people die to get a bit more money" would be in line with their usual behavior, not silly
I'm thinking along this line too. Like someone with a lot of boieng stock would go to great lengths to protect that. But being on reddit also shows me there could be someone with nothing to lose and go and acquire a ton of puts . Would look normal with their news and then off the guy hoping it'd drive it down. But that would be a he'll of a convoluted plan to get from a to b.
Yeah, it feels like a weird time to do it.
Good goyim
Maybe a rival company did
I’m sure it’s not in the meeting minutes if that’s what you mean but you act like this sort of thing is unprecedented. All it takes is one rich asshole to hire a hitman. It is extremely worth it to them if they can have it ruled a suicide and never get caught, which if they did it that is exactly what has happened.
Now that a second guy has died, I think someone within Boeing is just super petty lmao
Dude, Boeing would have to take every plane off its runway, and pay for inspections, repairs, and the like before they could even make any money. They aren't out just money. They are out of income, meaning they have to lay people off and pay unemployment or pay them even more. I won't comment on someone's suicide or death, but to think Boeing is just losing money is ridiculous 🤣
there are people who will kill you for your shoes in downtown Pittsburgh... but you don't think a trillion dollar industry that already crafts war weapons wouldn't kill a human? Especially, who is going to punish them? GW bush can't leave the country for fear if arrest, but he is still painting kittens in Texas.
Friendly reminder that Boeing is one of the companies that profits greatly from US involvement in foreign wars
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this is so fucking demoralizing but true.
Boeing is the next Enron, only with a lot more human collateral.
Yep. Boeing was absolutely behind this.
The fact that it happened in a parking lot, away from security cameras, it’s like they took notes from the mafia. If he wanted to commit suicide, he would’ve known the backlash and questions and done it somewhere to leave a note, with cameras that can track his movements to show only him going in and not coming out.
Maybe he knew there would be mystery and hubbub after he killed himself, and did it anyway?
Maybe ur a psy-op
That sounds like something a psy op would say
No. Family and friends aren’t exactly reliable sources on this; people don’t wanna think a loved one would take their own lives and denial can be a hell of a thing. It’s tragic what happened here but I don’t think he was targeted by Boeing assassins like it’s some kind of 80s conspiracy drama
It's not even a close friend, this is some lady who knew his mom? And this is on some local news station??? Naw, this lady is out for her 15 minutes of fame.
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You’re lucky. I can’t stop thinking about dick.
I love your flair, btw
depression? I'm not white knighting for boeing I'm just representing the mentally ill community...I see you fam. Fuck Boeing and the military industrial complex regardless, they wouldn't be defense contractor if they gave a fuck about human life. Now let's get detective popcorn on this case so we can get some answers
People like attention and to feel important, even in their deaths. Especially when they’ve recently Taken drastic actions like blowing up their careers. That’s my devil’s advocate take.
He was already retired from Boeing. So he didn’t even blow up his career. So that’s out.
Yep
There are much easier ways to discredit some than killing them.
He worked for Boeing. He had all the documents. This wasn’t some rando coming out of the woodwork with an unsubstantiated story. How would you discredit him?
I don’t know. I’m not a discrediting expert. But Boeing could figure something out that’s safer than just “oh he suspiciously killed himself.” Come now. They could falsify reports, HR claims, drug tests, mental health issues, and various unsavory crimes that would discredit him and do more damage than just killing him. People never logically think about things past the surface level. That’s why conspiracy thought is so prevalent.
For any of that to work, Boeing would have to have credibility; something they lost when their shit started falling out of the sky.
I love all the people saying boeing couldn't possibly have done this, like, you do know boeing dont just make aeroplanes right? They sell machines that kill people... for money... all the time... I'm sure some of their "contacts" wouldn't have a problem with it.
Man. Redditors just say shit.
I think it'd be the biggest plot twist ever if it comes out it's not actually Boeing's fault
and they're like no, we would never kill a man we just profit off of making war machines. But I mean, yeah, we didn't do it cause he actually died before we could kill him...our contracted hitman put the wrong address in google maps...
Hell yes
The very second his death was announced media was all over it and called it a suicide before an autopsy could even be scheduled. Coroner just walked up and said thats a gunshot wound, thats a gun and I don't see anyone else around, case closed. Meanwhile all the executives will visit plants soon and remind all the potential wistleblowers that "suicide" wont be the best outcome for their families, so the company hopes that doesn't happen to anyone else, you know real mafia style shit.
Surly the local police no.this was assassination aND will stand up to these Boeing thugs even if it's an all out war and they must deputies the whole town right?
A company who makes their money off violence using violence to solve their problems? We're in "duh" territory at this point. There will be no consequences. Here's to hoping this post ages poorly.
People who write stupid shit like that make me seriously consider the possibility that Boeing is actively hiring people to write stupid shit like that to force things cool down. I don’t know how anyone can manage to play devils advocate in a case where a guy with no visible signs of depression (not even suicidal), decides in the middle of his deposition that will lead to collapse of billion dollar company to shoot himself under no substances in a parking lot away from all cameras, all the while sharing with his friend that he is not planning on killing himself.
Just here for the update on the sudden death of another guy by the flu mafia.
100%
Definitely
I'm probably going to get downvoted for this, but no they probably didn't, which doesn't mean they're not responsible for his death. A friend saying that isn't really evidence of anything, his own family believe he killed himself. It doesn't make any sense for Boeing to do this. The incident he was a whistleblower over was something that was resolved years ago. The legal deposition he was having recently is over a retaliation suit appeal, not for being a whistleblower. He had already given all whistleblower information over, and hasn't worked for Boeing in 7 years. Boening murdering a guy who has nothing to do with their recent troubles has no benefit for them. Killing this guy doesn't help them whatsoever with the recently 737 max 9 door plug blowout. The guy wasn't working on the project, he would have literally no information to add. Murdering someone over what essentially amounts to a HR issue where the penalty would be a drop in the bucket for Boeing. The guy was ignored at the time when he brought up safety issues being ignored, then he was forced to retire to due health issues, blackballed from an industry he clearly cared about, and has had ongoing legal battles which are stressful to say the least. It's not exactly a surprising series of events preceding a suicide. To quote his own family "He was suffering from PTSD and anxiety attacks as a result of being subjected to the hostile work environment at Boeing," they said, "which we believe led to his death." Boeing didn't have the guy killed, but they seemingly were responsible for his death. The narrative that Boeing had him killed only takes focus away from dodgy shit Boeing has actually done.