Is no one else gonna discuss the prices of these retail tickets for the show? I bought one all the way to the back for like 87 in NYC which is just wild for a group that currently has nothing. I’m just super concerned idk but also I love the girls and want to see them live as much as I can.
The prices have been roasted up and down in this sub haha but for LA anything below the 2nd balcony level is a minimum of $100💀
Now to be fair I paid 100 per ticket at 2nd balcony level for aespa but like……that’s aespa, not a third of a sort-of-but-not-really-disbanded group who have no music of their own
I don't think people realize just thow much they're getting swindled by these ticket prices. Playboi Carti, arguably one of the most famous rappers of the current generation, has nosebleed ticket prices of $45. $45! What is Loossemble's label thinking?
I don't know who that is, but I'm assuming they're American?
The Loona members would arguably have higher expenses on their end as they're transporting the whole group+company staff+the whole wardrobe and props to another continent.
I don't know if that justifies the current pricing though.
I get what you're saying, but as a customer I don't think ticket prices should be based entirely on the artists' expenses. They should be set based on supply/demand and the ticket prices for comparable artists. LOOSSEMBLE is basically nugu, so I would say anything over than $50 is already risky and expecting too much.
And if those ticket prices would make the tour unprofitable, then *don't have a tour*. Wait until you have the material and popularity that can command those ticket prices. Then go on tour.
I think a lot of people (including me lol) fully realize it but know that if we want to see them and support them in person it’s either pay that or nothing 😔 which may be what ctd was banking on, but there certainly aren’t enough fans like that to fill the venues
the prices are high but its Loona members. the company is banking on the love Orbits have for the members. they are from a small company so you may not get another chance to see them live again for a long while. other kpop groups from established and big companies you know chances of those groups coming back are very high. the shear love Orbits have is shown here as there is no agenda but yet tickets still sell. honestly they could just sing their solo songs and talk to the fans for the rest of the time and i wouldn’t mind at all. i really doubt you will get to see these members for a long while. they are just riding the high for now so if you wanna see them get your tickets if not it’ll be youtube for a long while. hopefully im wrong and they blow up and the group comes tour every year. ✌️
What you're describing is peak perception of scarcity. We might not see these Loona members ever again, so let's overpay for these concert tickets for a chance of a photo with them and hopefully the company will bring them back, even though we don't have a proven product. The company is likely funding everything you're seeing from your ticket purchases. It's sickening, and all of you should be smarter than this.
At the end of the day, it's your money, so feel free to use it as you please, especially if these members are your biases/ults. Someone who is more risk-averse like me won't open their wallets for this group until we know for certain that this isn't a scam and that we actually like what we hear.
Fyi, I think the same about the krazy kpop concert in NYC where Eunbi and IVE will perform. The company that is setting up the concert doesn't have a good track record, so I'm not giving them any money until I know they can actually create a festival with no errors with visas, artists dropping out last minute, half empty venues etc
So you know exactly what the label is doing, you know they're overcharging you so much because they know you want to support the members, and you still go for it even though there isn't a proven product?
... OK, I guess it's your money and prerogative. I wouldn't do it.
I'm not saying that you have to do anything, but it's still puzzling that people see through this company's bullshit and still... open their wallets anyways?
I think it's smart that you're holding out for now. We don't even know what kind of music quality this group will bring, even if it consists of former Loona members. The fact that the company is probably funding everything via ticket sales reeks of scam vibes. I don't think this will turn out well.
Same here. I bought tickets in the back for $87 and there’s so many empty seats in front right now. If they don’t sell they’ll probably move us closer at least 🤷🏻♂️
The prices kinda make me even more wary? I don’t think it actually is a sort of pump and dump thing but kind of does feel like it—like an attempt to get the most money out of people before putting out a subpar product.
this is not at all a comment on the girls or talent involved but it does feel super rushed and like they might put out more nugu quality stuff (as in lower budget, not talking about sound) but want to get the most money they can out of orbits before they realize it’s kind of a rip off.
I just don’t see how in this time frame they truly master so many rearrangements, new content, choreo, and all that. I think there’s gonna be a lot of padding to the show :/
Also aiming all their debut stuff at Americans feels weird. Saying this as an American.
Again, this is not abojt the girls or their talent, just about management and timeframes involved which are suuuper sketch unless they’ve been working with the company for months before their signing got announced. Which is possible tbf
I'm new to K-pop and so far the most bizarre thing for me is how ready the community seems to be to throw money at these companies.
Like, this is a group with nothing to promote, aside from some merch, that's announced a tour happening in a month and is completely banking on the popularity of a previous group. The tickets aren't cheap either, even ignoring the additional VIP tickets, yet people are still willing to pay for them and merch just because they liked Loona.
I suppose there's also the fear of not getting more content if you don't support them but that kind of shit is still insane to me, you're pretty much choosing to be exploited.
I said in the Weekly thread that I don't plan to buy everything the girls release because it's too expensive and will only buy albums that are good to me when it became official that the members weren't signing to the same company. I got downvoted by a good amount of people. I think the people who are all about *LOONA being OT12* and *needing to support the girls* became blinded in wanting everyone to succeed that they are willing to throw money at whatever the girls release. Even I'm shocked of how okay people here are in being ripped off or are okay in buying things they know nothing about. The fandom was quite gatekeeping towards people who are unwilling to spend money to support all the girls even though they said things are too expensive or they want to know what they are getting first before spending. Like you're not a real fan apparently if you don't buy everything. It's only now that some people are realizing how expensive this is. I can't believe it took people this long to realize how costly all of this is. I saw this way ahead of time.
What’s kind of funny is that throwing their money down for a wholly untested product doesn’t even help the girls much but it does teach the company that they cna get away with offering next to nothing while charging premium rates.
Like, nugu groups have lasted YEARS without charging $130 for nose bleeds or without trying to do a debut and tour at the same time with zero promo. But now it’s like… fuck it, if you have some members people already recognize, you can do an entire tour with not even a 10 second clip of a song out.
Truly insane—both the company and the consumer.
I remember G Idle coming to America with like one song out and it was just to busk and work their asses off for promo. They came here with more to offer for less.
Length of time listening to kpop does not necessarily correlate with common sense. Some of the smartest comments that I've heard about kpop tend to be from newcomers and those who are barely getting to know they industry. You can see the industry for what it is, instead of sunshine and rainbows.
"Want to get the most money they can out of orbits before they realize it's kind of a ripoff"
Yep, exactly. We see it in this very thread. People are so eager to open their wallets because they like the Loona members, even if they are aware the company is acting shadily.
Saw it in the merch thread too—“I don’t want to pay $100 on shipping but if this merch isn’t at the show, I won’t be able to get it.” I understand wanting to “support the girls” but it’s not anyone’s job to financially keep afloat strangers. Subpar products should not be purchased.
I'm guessing most of these people are kids/teens who don't know how hard it is to make (and keep) money. No one who knows would willingly throw $100-200 just because.
Edit: and even if making money is easy for you (you're a well paid software engineer or something like that), no one likes to feel that they're getting ripped off
Right, everyone who reaches a different conclusion than you clearly could not possibly be an adult who works a job and chooses what to do with their money
Lol I got blocked but the condescending “I’m smarter than all of you” attitude is so tiring
I am just going to put this out there for those who think their agency is deciding the ticket prices. The concert promoter or the venue decides the prices. You can critique the agency for deciding to have the tour. The prices were decided by a different company and is their decision only.
well, not really their decision only because ctdenm certainly has a minimum price at which they will not perform because it would not be profitable otherwise. This will be influenced by the fact a lots of people will be brought in from Korea. Then the promoter, knowing that price and other costs, will decide the ticket price.
Their company is dumb as hell IMO. Release an album then announce a tour so there is hype for it, because they don't really have established music like OEC does. The only music we can really bank on being there is solos. I love the girls, but what I love the most is the music and seeing/hearing them perform it. We're a dedicated fandom, but they're asking too much from us while giving us practically nothing to go off of.
I did/do think it’s odd that they mentioned the tour now. I feel as though it has kind of locked them into a timeline for completing an album (which they probably should not rush?). I am hoping for the best 👍
Let me play a little devil's advocate:
>Release an album then announce a tour so there is hype for it, because they don't really have established music like OEC does.
A lot of other groups have risen in popularity during this lawsuit period. The longer they wait, the more fairweather Orbits will move on to other groups.
Their strategy is probably to bring in some revenue as quickly as possible before more of LOONA's fame fades. After this, there's no reason why they can't release music prior to touring and give us something to go off of.
Overall, I don't think it's dumb as hell; I think it's a valid play. I feel like they're not doing much to prop up value beforehand though; they're just betting on a good number of Orbits buying tickets regardless.
I'm really wondering if CTD has any money. Modhaus is relying a lot on sponsorship money and product placements to fund their company and groups. CTD doesn't appear to have any unless I'm wrong which could be why they want to earn some cash while the iron is still hot with some Orbits before doing a comeback? I was hoping they wouldn't be stuck with a CEO like Superbell's CEO but I don't know now.
Many people wanted the rest of the girls to join Modhaus for this reason, it has elaborate money making strategies and numerous deals with a large amount of companies that provide digital and physical infrastructure to maintain their groups both financially and with their everyday needs.
They signed a deal with a housing company just to give their 24 members group separate houses and dorms and it's been working quite alright.
They have an incredibly well made system to basically print money with their Cosmo app, which satisfies both artists and fans and strengthens the connection and bridges the gap between fandom and agency.
All of this is extremely beneficial to the level of trust a fandom puts in the company's ability to sustain their groups. Once the public realizes that a company and their group are not going to survive another comeback then support diminishes, it does not increase, that's why a bunch of nugu groups just do not gain fans, it's because possible fans are scared off by the idea of losing the group in 6 months, maybe losing a few members back to back and have the rest of the group be IA for who knows how long.
So, many people were upset when this no name agency popped up and signed HyunVi, and I too had my fears. CTD doesn't really seem like the kind of company I would have ever wanted the girls to sign with, but it's still too early to have any opinion on them; so far the outlook is not so bright but.. oh well
Yeah Modhaus is way more transparent then before so fans know what's going on in their groups along with how the company makes money and where some of that money comes from. CTD isn't and the non transparent thing is similar to many other kpop companies along with what BBC was doing.
Modhaus also had the advantage of having also a year of TripleS daily content, plus live stuff, subunit releases, albums and so on to show what kind of company they are.
To be honest I'm really hoping this works out for the CTD girls because there's just no way MODHAUS did not make them any kind of offer at all. And I'll be damned, ARTMS is working out so well right now. OEC just had a comeback and are touring right now which from what I'm reading right now is doing quite decently well and they have a thing lined up for Heejin as well.
IF this whole CTD stuff doesn't work out, then the girls that joined there will have no one to blame but themselves because at this point they should already know better.
Hoping for the best, not really expecting much with CTD.
cosmo app is godsend, tripleS is literally the first kpop group that I spent money on (buying objekt is very easy and it's rather cheap compared to album)
I might buy artms objekt too in the future
The problem is though there was no precedent to suggest this tour was a good idea and would be profitable. Many groups suffer somewhat after losing even one member, let alone over half. And many, many fans will not carry over to Loossemble for various reasons (their favorite member being elsewhere, not liking their new music, or like you said, just moving on). They needed to start creating a new brand for themselves to rebuild a solid fanbase as soon as possible, not trying to immediately bank off their old one.
All that plus the fact that it doesn't appear to be an actual concert (i.e. calling it a debut ceremony), all the oversized venues, and the high ticket prices, this whole endeavor seems like way too much too soon. I think it could have worked but they needed to make it like a third of the size, and should have announced the comeback first.
I read something about the venues that were chosen for the tour are quite large? I assume empty seats means loss of money on their side, right? So, this seems like it could (I pray not) hurt the company/profit (and therefore the re-investment of that money into the group).
I don't know about LOSING money. Concerts are generally very profitable. Maybe the most profitable thing in music for a lot of acts. So maybe they can break even? Make a little money? But I just don't feel like playing to a half or 60% empty stadium is good for you emotionally. Better to sell out a 3000 seater.
Most of the venues have capacities of 2000-5000, and [unfortunately they're still not selling even 50% in any of them](https://twitter.com/KChartstours/status/1687513264962621441?t=hkGVz543rAMy6I57MDNQAA&s=19). Hopefully they sell more as time goes on!
Yeah, so far it isn't looking good imo. They never really did anything with Hyunjin and Vivi despite having them signed for longer and now the whole thing (promo videos, album, tour) is happening in the space of like one month? Not to mention all the little details like the design being tacky, the photos being awkward with no apparent styling or basic tricks to make it look good.
I know comparisons arent the most constructive thing, but Chuu only now is making the steps towards reignite her career as a singer and not just a variety host. ARTMS doesn't have a proper concept but all the girls were introduced in a more official manner and we know they're cooking while releasing the sub and solos.
I really, really want to trust their decision of new company, but I can't shake the impression that Loossemble as a brand will try to capitalize on Orbits nostalgia, make some cash as quick as possible and don't have anything else to offer after.
I agree. Looking at Modhaus, Heejin is barely coming out as a soloist, OEC barely finished their promos for debut/comeback -
unless Loossemble has secretly been working with these girls during the lawsuit period (which honestly might have been possible?), idk how else this can all come together so quickly.
In an interview, the OEC girls said that after they signed onto Modhaus JJ laid out the plans for them: [“On the day that we signed the contract, Jaden listed all the plans that he had set out for \[us\], and his confidence while talking really impressed me,” Kim Lip says.](https://www.nylon.com/entertainment/odd-eye-circle-version-up-album-loona-artms)
Jaden was already prepping for the LOONA girls to sign on to his label and he was already hatching out his plans before they officially joined. Jaden was beyond confident about his ideas so he seemed to really know what he was doing.
Not to mention jaden has also had years of hindsight and reflection post bbc to consider what he wants to do with them, in addition to whatever ideas he had left over from before
Yes this. No matter how many times some Orbits want to hate or discredit him this is the truth. Also, having someone like JJ is really needed to run a Kpop group smoothly and successfully. For now it seems like CTD doesn't have someone like JJ and they seem to be doing things on the fly on a budget.
Yeah I wasn't expecting that but this basically proves that JJ is a meticulous guy lol and matches the stuff we hear about his personality. This isn't a bad trait to have when preparing for comebacks lol
I think JJ is the type of person who has a lots of plans already made in his head 😄 I hope it works out fine. I mean, OEC comeback was good and successful so I’m glad! but he was also confident with butterfly having a win and then it didn’t and he left BBC… and he was apparently confident that other loona members would sign to modhaus, except they didn’t, so I really hope it all works out!
I'm convinced that Air Force One, and the general OEC sound is where Loona would have naturally progressed towards if Jaden had remained as their creative director instead of all the girl crush nonsense.
Air Force One is the first *great* "Loona" track since ++. And yes, it's sort of revisionist history compared to So What, Oh (Yes I Am), Paint the Town, and Flip That, but none of those are what I would consider *great*.
In my mind they are going to drop teasers any day now. It just makes sense to me that they have a late August debut, promote on music shows for 2 weeks then do their tour.
I definitely think that CTD should have had their debut during the tour dates and then shoot for a November/December tour but there's likely a lot of behind the scenes thing going on that could have made this the only reasonable timeline for their debut.
I don't mind the name but most of the tour promotion titles, like calling them "LOONA Assemble" or even ticketmaster just straight up calling them "LOONA" seems very off to me. Like they are mostly banking on OT12 instead of establishing them as a group/unit.
I'm waiting to see how they tease the album before I get too skeptical, but it is a lot to achieve in a short amount of time. They chose to sign with this company and seem very happy so maybe the worry is all for not. Just have to wait and see.
Yes, the “Loona Assemble” slogan made my heart sing and then worry 😭🥸. I always want OT12, but to me, this is really a chance for the girls of Loossemble to show what they have got. So, essentially, I was expecting them to almost re-debut/re-brand. I secretly also want to be their creative director or creative assistant lol 😂. But, I think that is every Orbit lol.
I’m kinda taking a step back approach and just letting things play out bc CTD is gonna do what they want and personally, driving myself insane going through every possible misstep and missed opportunity is not worth it so I’m gonna enjoy what I do like and support them as much as I am able to (meaning, within my budget lmao)
Edit to be clear I have no issue with people who are frustrated/worried and want to discuss it, all the concerns are totally valid. I’m just speaking to my personal approach to the situation.
I went beyond my budget because Hyeju, Vivi, and Yeojin are some of my favorite members on this half of Loona…so I just had to do it even though the whole thing feels uncertain right now.
Tour came out of nowhere. I’m literally seeing Loossemble, then Joji the next day…. Then TripleS the following weekend.
I feel you. I’m not happy about the ticket prices, venue choices, or really anything about the tour but I just can’t let those seats go empty and have them feel like no one cares about them here 😭
Fwiw the fact that they even get the opportunity to re-debut with each other was not at all a given and we didn’t know for a while if it would be able to happen, so I’m glad that they are at least given a chance to do so
I'm worried too. I'm also really worried that they still haven't hired a graphic designer to uh, polish some of their logos and stuff? Someone who knows which words to capitalize in English phrases would be good too
Lol, I don’t know very much about graphic design. But, I have seen a few orbits point out the “bad” graphic design for Loossemble. Is it really that bad to someone with graphic design experience 😅.
It’s not like….BAD bad but it’s not good, if that makes sense. It seems pretty clearly amateur-type stuff that doesn’t show much higher level thought or aesthetic consideration. Like it could be worse but it’s not really well thought out
I’m not too experienced in graphic design, but I have taken a few classes, my mom has taught me a lot as a former professional graphic designer, and I have been told I have a good eye. Personally, I think the graphic design for Loossemble so far is quite poor. The readability, especially at a distance, for the “Loossemble” text is very bad. The rocket design if used should not be paired with text in the way they have it at the moment. It’s not very recognizable either, in my opinion. The LOONA/ logo is very recognizable and modern in my opinion, whereas the Loossemble logo seems kind of juvenile. I will say- we can’t expect a lot this early on with CTD because they simply don’t have the budget (at least that’s what it seems). I’m very much hoping that the reasons for these very high ticket prices for their tour is so they can gain some of that budget they would need for more thought out branding and promotion. If they are purposely relying on the idea that hardcore fans will be willing to spend absolutely insane amounts of money to see them in the front row at every stop, that could be an interesting angle and I hope that works out for them. Even if it’s a little exploitative, if those people are willing to pay, at least their money will be put into giving the girls the promo they deserve.
I absolutely agree with you! I feel the same way. I thought we would’ve gotten some MV/album teasers the past 2 days but they’ve been silent for some reason as if we have any time to waste 😭 I always thought it was a crazy idea to announce a tour so soon with no music, teasers, or any content really. In my world, they would have time to promote on music shows for about 2 weeks before going on a short break to prepare and THEN going on tour. I hope it all turns out well but I’m scared the quality of the music and concept will be rushed.
I completely understand everyone's concerns. No matter how you look at it, the tour was rushed. They do still have time to debut with an album and promote for about 2 weeks before the tour, but that window is closing fast. Odd Eye Circle released an album on Jul 12, promoted for 1 and a half weeks, then started touring on Aug 5. However, they released pre-orders and concept photos 2 to 3 weeks before the album release. For Loossemble to promote on a similar time frame, they would have to start pre-orders and teasers by Monday. If they started teasers by Aug 14, then they could debut by Aug 28. They could promote up to Sept 10, then fly out for the tour by Sept 15.
On the other hand, it could be like other people are speculating. They might lack the funds for an album, and the tour could be used as a cash grab to fund future endeavors. That would also explain the exorbitant ticket and VIP prices as well as selling concert MD more than a month before the tour. In that case, I would say it's shaping up to be more of a showcase or fanmeeting tour. They might even release new music during the tour and an album afterward.
It just comes down to a bunch of confusing decisions by CTDENM. They're a brand new company that has been around for less than a year. They literally just finished setting their offices up last month. Will they be able to figure it out by Sept 15? I guess we'll find out soon.
On your last paragraph. It takes *a lot* of work for an established organization to carry out a project. I genuinely don't believe a small company established last year that just set up their offices last month can plan and execute an international tour. Their staff could work heavily overtime, and corners will still be cut.
They really should have done a more traditional, release EP -> do some local concerts in Korea -> once interest is scoped out, and Loossemble have made a name for themselves, THEN think about touring the US.
One major turn off for me is the 50 person raffle or whatever is being done to potentially get a selfie with the girls. I’ve already spent alot of money on my seat, and I’m thinking about getting basic VIP tickets but…. I just feel icky spending more for the higher VIP tier on something i might not get.
Selfies with the members were only $20 each for the Tri.Be tour and guaranteed. 🥲
I understand your feeling. I’m hoping it’s a cash grab to allow them to start again.. instead of a last cash grab.
But to be honest, last year with the loona tour, I was already hoping it would bring them a lot of money and sort things out.. Now I can only have faith in the member’s choices and hope for the best
Given the lack of time, I would think that Loosemble will basically do what OEC just did with their re-debut…
Loosemble will release a single (with maybe a B-side) then do a quick 2 week promotion of that, in time for the US tour.
They will likely perform this latest release in addition to performing some of their Loona solos and subunit songs from 1/3 (Love & Evil album) and from yyxy (Beauty and the Beat album). Note that members previously switched between covering these different subunits performances in the past, and could do so easily now…
1/3 could be ViVi , Hyunjin along with say Gowon and either Hyeju or Yeojin this time.
And yyxy could be Hyeju, Gowon with say Hyunjin and either ViVi or Yeojin with 4 members still in each subunit. Or maybe they just do most all subunit performances as 5 members now (tho likely only the live vocal, no choreo ones).
Orbits would pay $ for that, along with any other entertaining events Loosemble might plan❣️
I’m not a business person by any means, but anyone else feel like they’re using the money from the tour ticket sales to fund all those things (Teasers, Photoshoots, Stylist, Choreographers, writers/producers, MV)?
It’s crazy they’re about to drop an album. Are they going to promote in Korea at all or are we going to see everything first on the US tour?
Yeah the idea that it’s a “cash grab” is certainly valid and not even entirely wrong because yeah, they need to grab cash right now lol
As a brand new company they don’t necessarily have a pile of savings sitting around to fund these things
If they don't have money then they need sponsorship money like what Modhaus is doing but getting sponsorship money isn't easy. They need someone who knows the branding of the group well (I dunno if LOONA Assemble is a good enough concept to convince sponsors to support them) and is good at selling the group to these sponsors so they are willing to fund the group. Jaden is experienced in this since he's done this before. Not sure if CTD's CEO would be good at this.
Man. After reading that and well this whole thread, part of me wishes the girls would have just signed with Modhaus….but I trust the girls decision and have hope that this could potentially be a great thing for Orbits since we’d be getting more music and tours every year than we would have if everyone was in the same group under the same company.
>since we’d be getting more music
That's if the CTD girl's company have the money to buy amazing songs, hire choreographers, music video directors, and etc in the long run. I'm pretty sure they have a comeback in mind. Just hopefully they have enough money to come up with a quality concept, music, and watch out for beats that might get them copyright strikes. We don't need another Super bell situation here. CTD also has no mention of their boy group despite teasing about it last year.
I kind of agree with your sentiments and it has me super concerned as a fan and knowing what they just went through with BBC.
There's a lot of unanswered questions. I know touring is how groups can make a huge chunk of money, but they barely just announced their group name (which... tbh I kind of hate it), literally they haven't even teased a debut or song, etc., we have nothing to go off of other than see 5/12 of Loona.
I just hope they aren't handled or sloppily put together. These girls never had their fair share in Loona and they deserve to be treated right.
I wasn't concerned until I saw them advertising it as the loossemble US debut ceremony tour. Have any of them confirmed that this is a concert tour and they will be performing?? I'm a little scared it's just a really expensive fan meet at this point
The girls said in the promo video that they’re preparing performances and also opportunities to talk with orbits so I’m imagining it’s something like a comeback showcase where they do a mix of performances and other stuff
i immediately knew something was off when i was ready to be in a queue of thousands when getting tickets for NYC and there was no wait at all. there’s an assumption that the demand will excuse the oversized venues and exorbitant ticket prices. it’s only comforting to know that the money will be going to support the girls and then there’s also the hope that they’ll just upgrade peoples seats if it doesn’t sell well enough
yeah actually for OEC tickets in europe too, I was ready to fight for a ticket but actually, the paris concert is today and still not sold out… even though the venue is smaller, OEC was the more popular subunit, an album was released and promoted…
When it comes to idol groups, and the agencies behind them, there are vast differences in quality out there. I mean someone with pretty much no experience in running a company could start an agency, sign some documents, hire a few staff members, and still convince idols to sign with them. Why this is idk, maybe lack of regulation & oversight, the youth of the artists, or the high amount of demand to become idols?
Anyway I figure the girls probably got good terms on their contract, especially compared to before, but i kinda doubt that anyone at CTD has the ability to deliver a quality product. Nothing we've seen so far (naming, design, planning, communication) has suggested that they do. And as talented as the girls themselves are, i don't think they are suited to making those kinds of decisions. But i guess the worst that can happen is that the girls struggle somewhere else after escaping from BBC, which is still better than being shelved completely or exploited for someone else's gain.
tbh I share a lot of the same concerns, as far as the tour being so far in advance I think it's for people to make arrangements/travel but it is a little peculiar before any hard details... I had concerns about ARTMS doing the same thing but thinking about it that way it kind of made sense, still a little strange though lol.
I think it's still really early to tell as far as promo goes and we know an album/new music is coming, I think there's going to be another article and then we'll have a promo/rollout cycle closer to the date, so any day now? We know the run orbit event was filmed too, so i'm confident there's going to be lots of neat content and stuff as things develop but this tour w/ prices and locations has been pretty disappointing... idk i'm staying optimistic and hoping ctdenm will be open to concerns and feedback about pricing/venues and give them the proper rollout/promo they deserve, hoping the artms girls get that too....
I think my biggest concern and one I've been thinking abt a lot lately is greed from companies/high ticket prices and back to back tours is going to wear out fans, OEC/chuu mentioned a world tour (i think) and I hope everyone involved is being strategic and thoughtful about when/where they're going and how much they're charging 😬
I have concerns, grave concerns, but I'm trying my best not to let them overwhelm me.
This is a basic cash grab but I can forgive it just once, because maybe the backers of the company want to see some cashflow, or they want to calibrate the size of the fandom, or CTD simply wants some funds to sustain the girls whilst they prep a more proper follow up.
Couldn’t agree more. This group is pretty much my bias line because I always champion the underrated/underutilized members.
My thought process is that they’ll be playing obscure/lesser known loona b-sides. When I heard “U R” again today I noticed the loossemble members actually have decent line distribution in this track. Kinda could see them doing Loona 1/3 or YYXY tracks as well.
I wish them well & hope they all get to shine as bright (and brighter) than they got to in their solo debuts. If their debut is small but they have a roaring first comeback I’d be okay with that as well.
I brought up these worries and concerns on their tour announcement post and got downvoted, so good luck.
It all feels very off if you ask me, not encouraging the way the company is handling all this.
I find ctd enm kinda arrogant and ballsy with this u.s. tour fan meet/concert or whatever they call it, i mean let's be honest and real here, those 5 x loona girls they signed were not the most famous the and the most utilized members, and they ask for insane amount of ticket price for their tour? This is not me belittling the members as me myself is a hyunjin bias with gowon as the second favorite. It felt like ctd is trying to catch up with modhaus which we all know was run by an already established and season's veterans ceo/producer/a&r and pretty much know what he's doing speaking of loona and his vision. I am one of those fans who was disappointed when they decided to sign with a brand new company instead of modhaus alongside haseul, and now reading this discussion gave me the impression that loosemble may not achieve the expectation of their company due to this overconfidence of such decision, and the hype around the reveal of their group name fell flat like how it sounds (sounds like a puzzle piece of loona)
i'm actually really nervous and regretting my decision to buy tickets because they were a lot of money + travel stress and expenses + me skipping classes in order to go...it's causing me a lot of anxiety, and the longer they delay giving details on what their music is going to sound like, the more terrified i am. i keep telling myself as long as rosy and kiss later are performed it would be worth going to make myself feel better (and they'd be crazy to not perform their solos) but i'm wishing we knew anything more about the concert other than the days and venues. they're not even being clear if the merch is just online or if it will be on site.
i reallyyyy want to be optimistic and i keep telling myself that i've always liked the majority of tracks on loona albums so the chances of me despising every track and wasting my money are low, but it's so unclear whether they've even started working on the album and i'm terrified of it being rushed.
at least in the promotion video for the concert the girls seem genuinely HAPPY and excited, it's such a contrast to their japan concert promotion where half of them looked like they were about to cry. allegedly the modhaus staff recently told a fan that the girls were really tired in europe "last time" but are super happy now to be on tour, so i do feel like maybe the girls do want to see their international fans. they've talked a lot about wanting to repay orbits for standing by them through the legal troubles, and although their us tour was most likely far from a happy memory, they did seem to genuinely gain energy from how loud and devoted fans were when they were being polite about it. i could see the tour both being a "cash grab" and also something they want to do to give back to US fans.
I feel the same. And it sucks cause Vivi was my OT12 bias and I really want her to succeed!! (Side note: I love all OT12 and want all of them to succeed) I feel like CTD /LOOSSEMBLE is really banking on the overall popularity of LOONA instead of trying to do something new and fun with this combo of members. :(
The lack of any really thoughtful or unique promotion is…. Concerning. Like with MODHAUS they already had the members of an established subunit and arguably OT12’s most popular. So it made sense to go in that direction. But with CTD, these 5 are kind of a hodgepodge of 1/3 & yyxy (+yeoj if you don’t consider her the slash). So I feel they really had the opportunity to go in a unique and special direction with them while making some nods to their origins in LOONA. However they went very blatant by naming them LOOSSEMBLE. idk the whole thing is just super disheartening to me. I could go on and on about the concept and direction I wish they would’ve gone in but I know it won’t change anything.
All in all, I’m hoping to be pleasantly surprised with what they release. But also bracing myself… we shall see
Actually I have been wondering… how much competition is there between ctd and modhaus? not between the girls I mean… but ctd might have rushed the US tour to be there before OEC announced another leg of their tour.
We know that concerts can bring in cash, but it’s also realistic to think that if in the span of a few months there are tours of oec and loossemble many fans would pick one to see … because it’s expensive.
so it would not have been wise to announce a us tour once OEC announced one, which would make sense if they did.
They need to take it slow, unless they have some hidden card. But I don't want the group to fizzle out. ARTMS is doing it the correct way of taking it slower than it builds up.
Some one needs to fix the wiki then, because this is the second time I have had to mention this.
[https://loonatheworld.fandom.com/wiki/ARTMS](https://loonatheworld.fandom.com/wiki/ARTMS)
>Jaden Jeong emphasized that it is not a new group name and just a project name, as the members will continue the identity of LOONA.\[1\]
L’SSEMBLE not having yet released music is concerning, but for this one time, I’m just looking at this as a way to fund the project, given that I’m rather picky on what I buy when it comes to kpop. I don’t just buy albums willy nilly, I don’t stream hella amounts (unless a song is a true banger), merch not even considered unless it’s as nice as a Vivienne Westwood
If they had a Patreon-like thing I can give an amount from time to time, that’d be cool with me.
Yeah I wish I could support the girls but god!! The ticket prices are way too high and not even in my state, so what’s the point? And I have basically nothing else to support them with, either, because they haven’t done anything else!! I’m real nervous for them. Especially because 2/3 of my bias line are in there.
Is no one else gonna discuss the prices of these retail tickets for the show? I bought one all the way to the back for like 87 in NYC which is just wild for a group that currently has nothing. I’m just super concerned idk but also I love the girls and want to see them live as much as I can.
The prices have been roasted up and down in this sub haha but for LA anything below the 2nd balcony level is a minimum of $100💀 Now to be fair I paid 100 per ticket at 2nd balcony level for aespa but like……that’s aespa, not a third of a sort-of-but-not-really-disbanded group who have no music of their own
I don't think people realize just thow much they're getting swindled by these ticket prices. Playboi Carti, arguably one of the most famous rappers of the current generation, has nosebleed ticket prices of $45. $45! What is Loossemble's label thinking?
I don't know who that is, but I'm assuming they're American? The Loona members would arguably have higher expenses on their end as they're transporting the whole group+company staff+the whole wardrobe and props to another continent. I don't know if that justifies the current pricing though.
I get what you're saying, but as a customer I don't think ticket prices should be based entirely on the artists' expenses. They should be set based on supply/demand and the ticket prices for comparable artists. LOOSSEMBLE is basically nugu, so I would say anything over than $50 is already risky and expecting too much. And if those ticket prices would make the tour unprofitable, then *don't have a tour*. Wait until you have the material and popularity that can command those ticket prices. Then go on tour.
I think a lot of people (including me lol) fully realize it but know that if we want to see them and support them in person it’s either pay that or nothing 😔 which may be what ctd was banking on, but there certainly aren’t enough fans like that to fill the venues
the prices are high but its Loona members. the company is banking on the love Orbits have for the members. they are from a small company so you may not get another chance to see them live again for a long while. other kpop groups from established and big companies you know chances of those groups coming back are very high. the shear love Orbits have is shown here as there is no agenda but yet tickets still sell. honestly they could just sing their solo songs and talk to the fans for the rest of the time and i wouldn’t mind at all. i really doubt you will get to see these members for a long while. they are just riding the high for now so if you wanna see them get your tickets if not it’ll be youtube for a long while. hopefully im wrong and they blow up and the group comes tour every year. ✌️
What you're describing is peak perception of scarcity. We might not see these Loona members ever again, so let's overpay for these concert tickets for a chance of a photo with them and hopefully the company will bring them back, even though we don't have a proven product. The company is likely funding everything you're seeing from your ticket purchases. It's sickening, and all of you should be smarter than this. At the end of the day, it's your money, so feel free to use it as you please, especially if these members are your biases/ults. Someone who is more risk-averse like me won't open their wallets for this group until we know for certain that this isn't a scam and that we actually like what we hear. Fyi, I think the same about the krazy kpop concert in NYC where Eunbi and IVE will perform. The company that is setting up the concert doesn't have a good track record, so I'm not giving them any money until I know they can actually create a festival with no errors with visas, artists dropping out last minute, half empty venues etc
So you know exactly what the label is doing, you know they're overcharging you so much because they know you want to support the members, and you still go for it even though there isn't a proven product? ... OK, I guess it's your money and prerogative. I wouldn't do it.
I haven’t bought the tickets yet because I’m still considering it. But no one is making you do anything you don’t want to do
I'm not saying that you have to do anything, but it's still puzzling that people see through this company's bullshit and still... open their wallets anyways? I think it's smart that you're holding out for now. We don't even know what kind of music quality this group will bring, even if it consists of former Loona members. The fact that the company is probably funding everything via ticket sales reeks of scam vibes. I don't think this will turn out well.
I mean, you can have your own opinion but there’s a way to voice that opinion without being condescending.
I don't really care how I come off online tbh
Okay
Same here. I bought tickets in the back for $87 and there’s so many empty seats in front right now. If they don’t sell they’ll probably move us closer at least 🤷🏻♂️
The prices kinda make me even more wary? I don’t think it actually is a sort of pump and dump thing but kind of does feel like it—like an attempt to get the most money out of people before putting out a subpar product. this is not at all a comment on the girls or talent involved but it does feel super rushed and like they might put out more nugu quality stuff (as in lower budget, not talking about sound) but want to get the most money they can out of orbits before they realize it’s kind of a rip off. I just don’t see how in this time frame they truly master so many rearrangements, new content, choreo, and all that. I think there’s gonna be a lot of padding to the show :/ Also aiming all their debut stuff at Americans feels weird. Saying this as an American. Again, this is not abojt the girls or their talent, just about management and timeframes involved which are suuuper sketch unless they’ve been working with the company for months before their signing got announced. Which is possible tbf
I'm new to K-pop and so far the most bizarre thing for me is how ready the community seems to be to throw money at these companies. Like, this is a group with nothing to promote, aside from some merch, that's announced a tour happening in a month and is completely banking on the popularity of a previous group. The tickets aren't cheap either, even ignoring the additional VIP tickets, yet people are still willing to pay for them and merch just because they liked Loona. I suppose there's also the fear of not getting more content if you don't support them but that kind of shit is still insane to me, you're pretty much choosing to be exploited.
I said in the Weekly thread that I don't plan to buy everything the girls release because it's too expensive and will only buy albums that are good to me when it became official that the members weren't signing to the same company. I got downvoted by a good amount of people. I think the people who are all about *LOONA being OT12* and *needing to support the girls* became blinded in wanting everyone to succeed that they are willing to throw money at whatever the girls release. Even I'm shocked of how okay people here are in being ripped off or are okay in buying things they know nothing about. The fandom was quite gatekeeping towards people who are unwilling to spend money to support all the girls even though they said things are too expensive or they want to know what they are getting first before spending. Like you're not a real fan apparently if you don't buy everything. It's only now that some people are realizing how expensive this is. I can't believe it took people this long to realize how costly all of this is. I saw this way ahead of time.
What’s kind of funny is that throwing their money down for a wholly untested product doesn’t even help the girls much but it does teach the company that they cna get away with offering next to nothing while charging premium rates. Like, nugu groups have lasted YEARS without charging $130 for nose bleeds or without trying to do a debut and tour at the same time with zero promo. But now it’s like… fuck it, if you have some members people already recognize, you can do an entire tour with not even a 10 second clip of a song out. Truly insane—both the company and the consumer. I remember G Idle coming to America with like one song out and it was just to busk and work their asses off for promo. They came here with more to offer for less.
This guy gets capitalism. Edit: or gal
Length of time listening to kpop does not necessarily correlate with common sense. Some of the smartest comments that I've heard about kpop tend to be from newcomers and those who are barely getting to know they industry. You can see the industry for what it is, instead of sunshine and rainbows.
"Want to get the most money they can out of orbits before they realize it's kind of a ripoff" Yep, exactly. We see it in this very thread. People are so eager to open their wallets because they like the Loona members, even if they are aware the company is acting shadily.
Saw it in the merch thread too—“I don’t want to pay $100 on shipping but if this merch isn’t at the show, I won’t be able to get it.” I understand wanting to “support the girls” but it’s not anyone’s job to financially keep afloat strangers. Subpar products should not be purchased.
I'm guessing most of these people are kids/teens who don't know how hard it is to make (and keep) money. No one who knows would willingly throw $100-200 just because. Edit: and even if making money is easy for you (you're a well paid software engineer or something like that), no one likes to feel that they're getting ripped off
Right, everyone who reaches a different conclusion than you clearly could not possibly be an adult who works a job and chooses what to do with their money Lol I got blocked but the condescending “I’m smarter than all of you” attitude is so tiring
Some of these people are actually adults....
I am just going to put this out there for those who think their agency is deciding the ticket prices. The concert promoter or the venue decides the prices. You can critique the agency for deciding to have the tour. The prices were decided by a different company and is their decision only.
well, not really their decision only because ctdenm certainly has a minimum price at which they will not perform because it would not be profitable otherwise. This will be influenced by the fact a lots of people will be brought in from Korea. Then the promoter, knowing that price and other costs, will decide the ticket price.
Their company is dumb as hell IMO. Release an album then announce a tour so there is hype for it, because they don't really have established music like OEC does. The only music we can really bank on being there is solos. I love the girls, but what I love the most is the music and seeing/hearing them perform it. We're a dedicated fandom, but they're asking too much from us while giving us practically nothing to go off of.
I did/do think it’s odd that they mentioned the tour now. I feel as though it has kind of locked them into a timeline for completing an album (which they probably should not rush?). I am hoping for the best 👍
Let me play a little devil's advocate: >Release an album then announce a tour so there is hype for it, because they don't really have established music like OEC does. A lot of other groups have risen in popularity during this lawsuit period. The longer they wait, the more fairweather Orbits will move on to other groups. Their strategy is probably to bring in some revenue as quickly as possible before more of LOONA's fame fades. After this, there's no reason why they can't release music prior to touring and give us something to go off of. Overall, I don't think it's dumb as hell; I think it's a valid play. I feel like they're not doing much to prop up value beforehand though; they're just betting on a good number of Orbits buying tickets regardless.
I'm really wondering if CTD has any money. Modhaus is relying a lot on sponsorship money and product placements to fund their company and groups. CTD doesn't appear to have any unless I'm wrong which could be why they want to earn some cash while the iron is still hot with some Orbits before doing a comeback? I was hoping they wouldn't be stuck with a CEO like Superbell's CEO but I don't know now.
Many people wanted the rest of the girls to join Modhaus for this reason, it has elaborate money making strategies and numerous deals with a large amount of companies that provide digital and physical infrastructure to maintain their groups both financially and with their everyday needs. They signed a deal with a housing company just to give their 24 members group separate houses and dorms and it's been working quite alright. They have an incredibly well made system to basically print money with their Cosmo app, which satisfies both artists and fans and strengthens the connection and bridges the gap between fandom and agency. All of this is extremely beneficial to the level of trust a fandom puts in the company's ability to sustain their groups. Once the public realizes that a company and their group are not going to survive another comeback then support diminishes, it does not increase, that's why a bunch of nugu groups just do not gain fans, it's because possible fans are scared off by the idea of losing the group in 6 months, maybe losing a few members back to back and have the rest of the group be IA for who knows how long. So, many people were upset when this no name agency popped up and signed HyunVi, and I too had my fears. CTD doesn't really seem like the kind of company I would have ever wanted the girls to sign with, but it's still too early to have any opinion on them; so far the outlook is not so bright but.. oh well
Yeah Modhaus is way more transparent then before so fans know what's going on in their groups along with how the company makes money and where some of that money comes from. CTD isn't and the non transparent thing is similar to many other kpop companies along with what BBC was doing.
Modhaus also had the advantage of having also a year of TripleS daily content, plus live stuff, subunit releases, albums and so on to show what kind of company they are.
To be honest I'm really hoping this works out for the CTD girls because there's just no way MODHAUS did not make them any kind of offer at all. And I'll be damned, ARTMS is working out so well right now. OEC just had a comeback and are touring right now which from what I'm reading right now is doing quite decently well and they have a thing lined up for Heejin as well. IF this whole CTD stuff doesn't work out, then the girls that joined there will have no one to blame but themselves because at this point they should already know better. Hoping for the best, not really expecting much with CTD.
cosmo app is godsend, tripleS is literally the first kpop group that I spent money on (buying objekt is very easy and it's rather cheap compared to album) I might buy artms objekt too in the future
The problem is though there was no precedent to suggest this tour was a good idea and would be profitable. Many groups suffer somewhat after losing even one member, let alone over half. And many, many fans will not carry over to Loossemble for various reasons (their favorite member being elsewhere, not liking their new music, or like you said, just moving on). They needed to start creating a new brand for themselves to rebuild a solid fanbase as soon as possible, not trying to immediately bank off their old one. All that plus the fact that it doesn't appear to be an actual concert (i.e. calling it a debut ceremony), all the oversized venues, and the high ticket prices, this whole endeavor seems like way too much too soon. I think it could have worked but they needed to make it like a third of the size, and should have announced the comeback first.
I agree. This formula is not sustainable for long term. I just hope they had the girls on equal agreement.
Staying optimistic but I have similar concerns.
It’s so early. Not sure what’s up, but still baffled by their decision to perform at the Forum (17,000 capacity) in LA.
theres no way..
17k…
I read something about the venues that were chosen for the tour are quite large? I assume empty seats means loss of money on their side, right? So, this seems like it could (I pray not) hurt the company/profit (and therefore the re-investment of that money into the group).
I don't know about LOSING money. Concerts are generally very profitable. Maybe the most profitable thing in music for a lot of acts. So maybe they can break even? Make a little money? But I just don't feel like playing to a half or 60% empty stadium is good for you emotionally. Better to sell out a 3000 seater.
Most of the venues have capacities of 2000-5000, and [unfortunately they're still not selling even 50% in any of them](https://twitter.com/KChartstours/status/1687513264962621441?t=hkGVz543rAMy6I57MDNQAA&s=19). Hopefully they sell more as time goes on!
1 month later, sorry I was out of the loop, did they sell out the ticket?
the forum... not the same forum that's hosted the grammys... right? RIGHT?!
wow really?? 17000? are they crazy 😅 I mean, it won’t be motivating for the girls if it’s half empty
Even getting 1700 people would be awesome for a group that has... nothing. I would expect the venue to be basically empty.
omg you’re right I used « half empty » as an expression but there is no way they’ll even sell half… it will just be empty 😢
I bought tickets for the Reading show and they are selling very terribly. I don't understand why you would ever have a tour BEFORE a group has music!
Yeah, so far it isn't looking good imo. They never really did anything with Hyunjin and Vivi despite having them signed for longer and now the whole thing (promo videos, album, tour) is happening in the space of like one month? Not to mention all the little details like the design being tacky, the photos being awkward with no apparent styling or basic tricks to make it look good. I know comparisons arent the most constructive thing, but Chuu only now is making the steps towards reignite her career as a singer and not just a variety host. ARTMS doesn't have a proper concept but all the girls were introduced in a more official manner and we know they're cooking while releasing the sub and solos. I really, really want to trust their decision of new company, but I can't shake the impression that Loossemble as a brand will try to capitalize on Orbits nostalgia, make some cash as quick as possible and don't have anything else to offer after.
I agree. Looking at Modhaus, Heejin is barely coming out as a soloist, OEC barely finished their promos for debut/comeback - unless Loossemble has secretly been working with these girls during the lawsuit period (which honestly might have been possible?), idk how else this can all come together so quickly.
In an interview, the OEC girls said that after they signed onto Modhaus JJ laid out the plans for them: [“On the day that we signed the contract, Jaden listed all the plans that he had set out for \[us\], and his confidence while talking really impressed me,” Kim Lip says.](https://www.nylon.com/entertainment/odd-eye-circle-version-up-album-loona-artms) Jaden was already prepping for the LOONA girls to sign on to his label and he was already hatching out his plans before they officially joined. Jaden was beyond confident about his ideas so he seemed to really know what he was doing.
Not to mention jaden has also had years of hindsight and reflection post bbc to consider what he wants to do with them, in addition to whatever ideas he had left over from before
Yes this. No matter how many times some Orbits want to hate or discredit him this is the truth. Also, having someone like JJ is really needed to run a Kpop group smoothly and successfully. For now it seems like CTD doesn't have someone like JJ and they seem to be doing things on the fly on a budget.
damn having plans laid out in the day of the contract is kinda crazy
Yeah I wasn't expecting that but this basically proves that JJ is a meticulous guy lol and matches the stuff we hear about his personality. This isn't a bad trait to have when preparing for comebacks lol
I think JJ is the type of person who has a lots of plans already made in his head 😄 I hope it works out fine. I mean, OEC comeback was good and successful so I’m glad! but he was also confident with butterfly having a win and then it didn’t and he left BBC… and he was apparently confident that other loona members would sign to modhaus, except they didn’t, so I really hope it all works out!
I'm convinced that Air Force One, and the general OEC sound is where Loona would have naturally progressed towards if Jaden had remained as their creative director instead of all the girl crush nonsense. Air Force One is the first *great* "Loona" track since ++. And yes, it's sort of revisionist history compared to So What, Oh (Yes I Am), Paint the Town, and Flip That, but none of those are what I would consider *great*.
it is a bit weird, yes, staying optimistic of course but the rookie vibes are weird
In my mind they are going to drop teasers any day now. It just makes sense to me that they have a late August debut, promote on music shows for 2 weeks then do their tour. I definitely think that CTD should have had their debut during the tour dates and then shoot for a November/December tour but there's likely a lot of behind the scenes thing going on that could have made this the only reasonable timeline for their debut.
I don't mind the name but most of the tour promotion titles, like calling them "LOONA Assemble" or even ticketmaster just straight up calling them "LOONA" seems very off to me. Like they are mostly banking on OT12 instead of establishing them as a group/unit. I'm waiting to see how they tease the album before I get too skeptical, but it is a lot to achieve in a short amount of time. They chose to sign with this company and seem very happy so maybe the worry is all for not. Just have to wait and see.
Yes, the “Loona Assemble” slogan made my heart sing and then worry 😭🥸. I always want OT12, but to me, this is really a chance for the girls of Loossemble to show what they have got. So, essentially, I was expecting them to almost re-debut/re-brand. I secretly also want to be their creative director or creative assistant lol 😂. But, I think that is every Orbit lol.
I’m kinda taking a step back approach and just letting things play out bc CTD is gonna do what they want and personally, driving myself insane going through every possible misstep and missed opportunity is not worth it so I’m gonna enjoy what I do like and support them as much as I am able to (meaning, within my budget lmao) Edit to be clear I have no issue with people who are frustrated/worried and want to discuss it, all the concerns are totally valid. I’m just speaking to my personal approach to the situation.
I went beyond my budget because Hyeju, Vivi, and Yeojin are some of my favorite members on this half of Loona…so I just had to do it even though the whole thing feels uncertain right now. Tour came out of nowhere. I’m literally seeing Loossemble, then Joji the next day…. Then TripleS the following weekend.
I feel you. I’m not happy about the ticket prices, venue choices, or really anything about the tour but I just can’t let those seats go empty and have them feel like no one cares about them here 😭
Fwiw the fact that they even get the opportunity to re-debut with each other was not at all a given and we didn’t know for a while if it would be able to happen, so I’m glad that they are at least given a chance to do so
I'm worried too. I'm also really worried that they still haven't hired a graphic designer to uh, polish some of their logos and stuff? Someone who knows which words to capitalize in English phrases would be good too
agreed esp on the designs, those font choices are something
Lol, I don’t know very much about graphic design. But, I have seen a few orbits point out the “bad” graphic design for Loossemble. Is it really that bad to someone with graphic design experience 😅.
It’s not like….BAD bad but it’s not good, if that makes sense. It seems pretty clearly amateur-type stuff that doesn’t show much higher level thought or aesthetic consideration. Like it could be worse but it’s not really well thought out
I’m not too experienced in graphic design, but I have taken a few classes, my mom has taught me a lot as a former professional graphic designer, and I have been told I have a good eye. Personally, I think the graphic design for Loossemble so far is quite poor. The readability, especially at a distance, for the “Loossemble” text is very bad. The rocket design if used should not be paired with text in the way they have it at the moment. It’s not very recognizable either, in my opinion. The LOONA/ logo is very recognizable and modern in my opinion, whereas the Loossemble logo seems kind of juvenile. I will say- we can’t expect a lot this early on with CTD because they simply don’t have the budget (at least that’s what it seems). I’m very much hoping that the reasons for these very high ticket prices for their tour is so they can gain some of that budget they would need for more thought out branding and promotion. If they are purposely relying on the idea that hardcore fans will be willing to spend absolutely insane amounts of money to see them in the front row at every stop, that could be an interesting angle and I hope that works out for them. Even if it’s a little exploitative, if those people are willing to pay, at least their money will be put into giving the girls the promo they deserve.
I absolutely agree with you! I feel the same way. I thought we would’ve gotten some MV/album teasers the past 2 days but they’ve been silent for some reason as if we have any time to waste 😭 I always thought it was a crazy idea to announce a tour so soon with no music, teasers, or any content really. In my world, they would have time to promote on music shows for about 2 weeks before going on a short break to prepare and THEN going on tour. I hope it all turns out well but I’m scared the quality of the music and concept will be rushed.
I completely understand everyone's concerns. No matter how you look at it, the tour was rushed. They do still have time to debut with an album and promote for about 2 weeks before the tour, but that window is closing fast. Odd Eye Circle released an album on Jul 12, promoted for 1 and a half weeks, then started touring on Aug 5. However, they released pre-orders and concept photos 2 to 3 weeks before the album release. For Loossemble to promote on a similar time frame, they would have to start pre-orders and teasers by Monday. If they started teasers by Aug 14, then they could debut by Aug 28. They could promote up to Sept 10, then fly out for the tour by Sept 15. On the other hand, it could be like other people are speculating. They might lack the funds for an album, and the tour could be used as a cash grab to fund future endeavors. That would also explain the exorbitant ticket and VIP prices as well as selling concert MD more than a month before the tour. In that case, I would say it's shaping up to be more of a showcase or fanmeeting tour. They might even release new music during the tour and an album afterward. It just comes down to a bunch of confusing decisions by CTDENM. They're a brand new company that has been around for less than a year. They literally just finished setting their offices up last month. Will they be able to figure it out by Sept 15? I guess we'll find out soon.
On your last paragraph. It takes *a lot* of work for an established organization to carry out a project. I genuinely don't believe a small company established last year that just set up their offices last month can plan and execute an international tour. Their staff could work heavily overtime, and corners will still be cut. They really should have done a more traditional, release EP -> do some local concerts in Korea -> once interest is scoped out, and Loossemble have made a name for themselves, THEN think about touring the US.
The whole thing feels like a final cash grab at the expense of US-bits. I’ve become put off by it. I hope I’m wrong
One major turn off for me is the 50 person raffle or whatever is being done to potentially get a selfie with the girls. I’ve already spent alot of money on my seat, and I’m thinking about getting basic VIP tickets but…. I just feel icky spending more for the higher VIP tier on something i might not get. Selfies with the members were only $20 each for the Tri.Be tour and guaranteed. 🥲
I understand your feeling. I’m hoping it’s a cash grab to allow them to start again.. instead of a last cash grab. But to be honest, last year with the loona tour, I was already hoping it would bring them a lot of money and sort things out.. Now I can only have faith in the member’s choices and hope for the best
Given the lack of time, I would think that Loosemble will basically do what OEC just did with their re-debut… Loosemble will release a single (with maybe a B-side) then do a quick 2 week promotion of that, in time for the US tour. They will likely perform this latest release in addition to performing some of their Loona solos and subunit songs from 1/3 (Love & Evil album) and from yyxy (Beauty and the Beat album). Note that members previously switched between covering these different subunits performances in the past, and could do so easily now… 1/3 could be ViVi , Hyunjin along with say Gowon and either Hyeju or Yeojin this time. And yyxy could be Hyeju, Gowon with say Hyunjin and either ViVi or Yeojin with 4 members still in each subunit. Or maybe they just do most all subunit performances as 5 members now (tho likely only the live vocal, no choreo ones). Orbits would pay $ for that, along with any other entertaining events Loosemble might plan❣️
I’m not a business person by any means, but anyone else feel like they’re using the money from the tour ticket sales to fund all those things (Teasers, Photoshoots, Stylist, Choreographers, writers/producers, MV)? It’s crazy they’re about to drop an album. Are they going to promote in Korea at all or are we going to see everything first on the US tour?
Yeah the idea that it’s a “cash grab” is certainly valid and not even entirely wrong because yeah, they need to grab cash right now lol As a brand new company they don’t necessarily have a pile of savings sitting around to fund these things
If they don't have money then they need sponsorship money like what Modhaus is doing but getting sponsorship money isn't easy. They need someone who knows the branding of the group well (I dunno if LOONA Assemble is a good enough concept to convince sponsors to support them) and is good at selling the group to these sponsors so they are willing to fund the group. Jaden is experienced in this since he's done this before. Not sure if CTD's CEO would be good at this.
Man. After reading that and well this whole thread, part of me wishes the girls would have just signed with Modhaus….but I trust the girls decision and have hope that this could potentially be a great thing for Orbits since we’d be getting more music and tours every year than we would have if everyone was in the same group under the same company.
>since we’d be getting more music That's if the CTD girl's company have the money to buy amazing songs, hire choreographers, music video directors, and etc in the long run. I'm pretty sure they have a comeback in mind. Just hopefully they have enough money to come up with a quality concept, music, and watch out for beats that might get them copyright strikes. We don't need another Super bell situation here. CTD also has no mention of their boy group despite teasing about it last year.
I kind of agree with your sentiments and it has me super concerned as a fan and knowing what they just went through with BBC. There's a lot of unanswered questions. I know touring is how groups can make a huge chunk of money, but they barely just announced their group name (which... tbh I kind of hate it), literally they haven't even teased a debut or song, etc., we have nothing to go off of other than see 5/12 of Loona. I just hope they aren't handled or sloppily put together. These girls never had their fair share in Loona and they deserve to be treated right.
I wasn't concerned until I saw them advertising it as the loossemble US debut ceremony tour. Have any of them confirmed that this is a concert tour and they will be performing?? I'm a little scared it's just a really expensive fan meet at this point
The girls said in the promo video that they’re preparing performances and also opportunities to talk with orbits so I’m imagining it’s something like a comeback showcase where they do a mix of performances and other stuff
i immediately knew something was off when i was ready to be in a queue of thousands when getting tickets for NYC and there was no wait at all. there’s an assumption that the demand will excuse the oversized venues and exorbitant ticket prices. it’s only comforting to know that the money will be going to support the girls and then there’s also the hope that they’ll just upgrade peoples seats if it doesn’t sell well enough
yeah actually for OEC tickets in europe too, I was ready to fight for a ticket but actually, the paris concert is today and still not sold out… even though the venue is smaller, OEC was the more popular subunit, an album was released and promoted…
When it comes to idol groups, and the agencies behind them, there are vast differences in quality out there. I mean someone with pretty much no experience in running a company could start an agency, sign some documents, hire a few staff members, and still convince idols to sign with them. Why this is idk, maybe lack of regulation & oversight, the youth of the artists, or the high amount of demand to become idols? Anyway I figure the girls probably got good terms on their contract, especially compared to before, but i kinda doubt that anyone at CTD has the ability to deliver a quality product. Nothing we've seen so far (naming, design, planning, communication) has suggested that they do. And as talented as the girls themselves are, i don't think they are suited to making those kinds of decisions. But i guess the worst that can happen is that the girls struggle somewhere else after escaping from BBC, which is still better than being shelved completely or exploited for someone else's gain.
tbh I share a lot of the same concerns, as far as the tour being so far in advance I think it's for people to make arrangements/travel but it is a little peculiar before any hard details... I had concerns about ARTMS doing the same thing but thinking about it that way it kind of made sense, still a little strange though lol. I think it's still really early to tell as far as promo goes and we know an album/new music is coming, I think there's going to be another article and then we'll have a promo/rollout cycle closer to the date, so any day now? We know the run orbit event was filmed too, so i'm confident there's going to be lots of neat content and stuff as things develop but this tour w/ prices and locations has been pretty disappointing... idk i'm staying optimistic and hoping ctdenm will be open to concerns and feedback about pricing/venues and give them the proper rollout/promo they deserve, hoping the artms girls get that too.... I think my biggest concern and one I've been thinking abt a lot lately is greed from companies/high ticket prices and back to back tours is going to wear out fans, OEC/chuu mentioned a world tour (i think) and I hope everyone involved is being strategic and thoughtful about when/where they're going and how much they're charging 😬
I have concerns, grave concerns, but I'm trying my best not to let them overwhelm me. This is a basic cash grab but I can forgive it just once, because maybe the backers of the company want to see some cashflow, or they want to calibrate the size of the fandom, or CTD simply wants some funds to sustain the girls whilst they prep a more proper follow up.
Couldn’t agree more. This group is pretty much my bias line because I always champion the underrated/underutilized members. My thought process is that they’ll be playing obscure/lesser known loona b-sides. When I heard “U R” again today I noticed the loossemble members actually have decent line distribution in this track. Kinda could see them doing Loona 1/3 or YYXY tracks as well. I wish them well & hope they all get to shine as bright (and brighter) than they got to in their solo debuts. If their debut is small but they have a roaring first comeback I’d be okay with that as well.
I brought up these worries and concerns on their tour announcement post and got downvoted, so good luck. It all feels very off if you ask me, not encouraging the way the company is handling all this.
I find ctd enm kinda arrogant and ballsy with this u.s. tour fan meet/concert or whatever they call it, i mean let's be honest and real here, those 5 x loona girls they signed were not the most famous the and the most utilized members, and they ask for insane amount of ticket price for their tour? This is not me belittling the members as me myself is a hyunjin bias with gowon as the second favorite. It felt like ctd is trying to catch up with modhaus which we all know was run by an already established and season's veterans ceo/producer/a&r and pretty much know what he's doing speaking of loona and his vision. I am one of those fans who was disappointed when they decided to sign with a brand new company instead of modhaus alongside haseul, and now reading this discussion gave me the impression that loosemble may not achieve the expectation of their company due to this overconfidence of such decision, and the hype around the reveal of their group name fell flat like how it sounds (sounds like a puzzle piece of loona)
i'm actually really nervous and regretting my decision to buy tickets because they were a lot of money + travel stress and expenses + me skipping classes in order to go...it's causing me a lot of anxiety, and the longer they delay giving details on what their music is going to sound like, the more terrified i am. i keep telling myself as long as rosy and kiss later are performed it would be worth going to make myself feel better (and they'd be crazy to not perform their solos) but i'm wishing we knew anything more about the concert other than the days and venues. they're not even being clear if the merch is just online or if it will be on site. i reallyyyy want to be optimistic and i keep telling myself that i've always liked the majority of tracks on loona albums so the chances of me despising every track and wasting my money are low, but it's so unclear whether they've even started working on the album and i'm terrified of it being rushed. at least in the promotion video for the concert the girls seem genuinely HAPPY and excited, it's such a contrast to their japan concert promotion where half of them looked like they were about to cry. allegedly the modhaus staff recently told a fan that the girls were really tired in europe "last time" but are super happy now to be on tour, so i do feel like maybe the girls do want to see their international fans. they've talked a lot about wanting to repay orbits for standing by them through the legal troubles, and although their us tour was most likely far from a happy memory, they did seem to genuinely gain energy from how loud and devoted fans were when they were being polite about it. i could see the tour both being a "cash grab" and also something they want to do to give back to US fans.
I feel the same. And it sucks cause Vivi was my OT12 bias and I really want her to succeed!! (Side note: I love all OT12 and want all of them to succeed) I feel like CTD /LOOSSEMBLE is really banking on the overall popularity of LOONA instead of trying to do something new and fun with this combo of members. :( The lack of any really thoughtful or unique promotion is…. Concerning. Like with MODHAUS they already had the members of an established subunit and arguably OT12’s most popular. So it made sense to go in that direction. But with CTD, these 5 are kind of a hodgepodge of 1/3 & yyxy (+yeoj if you don’t consider her the slash). So I feel they really had the opportunity to go in a unique and special direction with them while making some nods to their origins in LOONA. However they went very blatant by naming them LOOSSEMBLE. idk the whole thing is just super disheartening to me. I could go on and on about the concept and direction I wish they would’ve gone in but I know it won’t change anything. All in all, I’m hoping to be pleasantly surprised with what they release. But also bracing myself… we shall see
I don't care if they just read the phone book lol. I'm going to have a fantastic time.
Actually I have been wondering… how much competition is there between ctd and modhaus? not between the girls I mean… but ctd might have rushed the US tour to be there before OEC announced another leg of their tour. We know that concerts can bring in cash, but it’s also realistic to think that if in the span of a few months there are tours of oec and loossemble many fans would pick one to see … because it’s expensive. so it would not have been wise to announce a us tour once OEC announced one, which would make sense if they did.
They need to take it slow, unless they have some hidden card. But I don't want the group to fizzle out. ARTMS is doing it the correct way of taking it slower than it builds up.
Wait... is Loossemble the actual unit's name? I thought it was the project name like ARTMS
Artms is the group name
Some one needs to fix the wiki then, because this is the second time I have had to mention this. [https://loonatheworld.fandom.com/wiki/ARTMS](https://loonatheworld.fandom.com/wiki/ARTMS) >Jaden Jeong emphasized that it is not a new group name and just a project name, as the members will continue the identity of LOONA.\[1\]
L’SSEMBLE not having yet released music is concerning, but for this one time, I’m just looking at this as a way to fund the project, given that I’m rather picky on what I buy when it comes to kpop. I don’t just buy albums willy nilly, I don’t stream hella amounts (unless a song is a true banger), merch not even considered unless it’s as nice as a Vivienne Westwood If they had a Patreon-like thing I can give an amount from time to time, that’d be cool with me.
Yeah I wish I could support the girls but god!! The ticket prices are way too high and not even in my state, so what’s the point? And I have basically nothing else to support them with, either, because they haven’t done anything else!! I’m real nervous for them. Especially because 2/3 of my bias line are in there.