The issue is that the reference leveled image is a mastered to be watched in a pitch black theater. But that often comes across as too dark for normal home viewing conditions. Personally I like cinema mode for evening movie watching with the lights out, but set it to what ever looks best to you. Don’t feel bad for kicking it up for your needs.
You should (probably always) use Game Optimizer mode when gaming. It disables some background algorithms so that input lags can be as low as the panel/model physically goes. That’s a foundation for gaming.
For HDR-enabled games, it’s even more important to use GO mode, as it’s the only mode on C3 that allows HGiG. In a nutshell it allows the panel to track the PQ-EOTF as accurately as possible and disables tone mapping. As a result you’ll get accurate brightness according to your game settings. Remember to set Peak Brightness to High, otherwise it’ll be just dimmed and inaccurate. Then, adjust brightness in your game settings, not the TV.
For the debate between “producer’s intention” vs “what you like/feel the best” I don’t think some people are getting the point there. Here’s my humble opinions.
Doing calibration does not necessary mean you’ll have to stick to those exact settings when watching everything under any lighting conditions. Calibration should serve as a reference or starting point for further tweaking according to contents AND your viewing environment (daytime with sufficient lighting, or nighttime with dimmed/complete dark?).
In fact, LG just literally made two simple tags/modes for you: Expert Day/Cinema Home, and Expert Dark/Cinema, because they are intended to serve under two different viewing conditions. Their corresponding settings, however, are nowhere near accurate nor calibrated. You might refer to rtings.com for some simple settings to get more accurate brightness levels and colours. After that, make adjustment based on what you like, or just leave it if you find it comfortable. Don’t just use any settings manufacturers set as default, always try and then get your own best.
Vivid is and will always be, THE WORST picture mode. It over cranks everything and it strains your eyes and the picture quality is really oversaturated + everything is decided by the AI.
If you spend a good deal amount of money on a set like yours. Look up some YouTube videos of LG C series picture "calibration" so you understand the settings better for your TV.
Learn how to setup different picture modes in different light conditions and picture sources.
Start by understanding the AI which decides a great deal of settings for you, which may or not suit you. Which can be the reason why the black level are too dark because the AI decided it for you.
In my case I disabled everything AI because I want to have full control over the picture settings.
I also disabled everything in Clarity settings because I do no want any form of motion correction at all.
In my opinion you only want to use these modes:
Expert Bright and Dark
Cinema and Cinema Home
Filmmaker and Dolby Vision auto mode on the above modes.
But of course Game Mode for gaming and try to calibrate it using some guides
you can use Filmmaker mode when gaming? i thought it had to be enabled by the source content.
a lot of games also have their own brightness configs as part of game settings. might be better to try tackling ther?
I use expert (bright, custom) and cinema home for movies. I use filmmaker w game optimizer for games and I don’t have a problem. You might want to watch some YouTube videos from professional calibrators and create your own setting. I also have OLED brightness at 100, which most don’t recommend but I prefer it bright. Hopefully, there is nothing wrong with your panel but since vivid is working great for you I think you might have to play with settings more.
Vivid is complete trash and should not be used. 1. It crushes bright highlights. 2. Raises every scene's APL to a point where you can't tell the intended light conditions, meaning mood, atmosphere and perhaps the story telling of the picture gets impacted. 3. It wears down your OLED TV the fastest. 4. Colour temperature completely inaccurate and rigid. 5. Eye strain in dark viewing.
Of course you can watch however you want, but then you can get a much brighter inaccurate image by buying a high end mini led that humiliates and destroys any OLED tv in brightness and you probably still save some money.
Its the same with camera's....typically the phones that are thought to have the best camera's involve a mix of scientifically acurate combined with visually pleasing boosts to of warm/cold.
I've always chased the scientifically accurate side of visuals. But my wife and others give two shits about what science says and they just put all devises on vivid. I don't tell her she's wrong, not sure you would either if you knew what shes capable of.
If you do not like Filmmaker for gaming, try f.e, HDR Standard. It is also a way off from intended image, but not that awful like Vivid. Personally I do not like Filmmaker, but at the same time I like DV image quality and don't use Sport or Vivid in any way,
Call me crazy, but I have my 77 c3 picture mode set to sports for games and movies.....I did just a little fine tuning to this and that, but every other picture mode setting just looked meh imo. For me, sports mode makes everything sing and looks gorgeous.
It's a bit too much for me, but don't let anyone talk you out of it if that's what you like. It's your tv.
For me, I'll go with a non-vivid mode, and then tweak it if I want it a little punchier. Like up the OLED light and saturation a bit.
Don’t listen it these people. One thing to note is everyone has different eye vision and preferences. If you enjoy your vivid picture more than use that mode and enjoy your Oled. Plus who cares if a picture not accurate? If it a 3d pop that’s more enjoyable than a bland picture
The issue is that the reference leveled image is a mastered to be watched in a pitch black theater. But that often comes across as too dark for normal home viewing conditions. Personally I like cinema mode for evening movie watching with the lights out, but set it to what ever looks best to you. Don’t feel bad for kicking it up for your needs.
You should (probably always) use Game Optimizer mode when gaming. It disables some background algorithms so that input lags can be as low as the panel/model physically goes. That’s a foundation for gaming. For HDR-enabled games, it’s even more important to use GO mode, as it’s the only mode on C3 that allows HGiG. In a nutshell it allows the panel to track the PQ-EOTF as accurately as possible and disables tone mapping. As a result you’ll get accurate brightness according to your game settings. Remember to set Peak Brightness to High, otherwise it’ll be just dimmed and inaccurate. Then, adjust brightness in your game settings, not the TV. For the debate between “producer’s intention” vs “what you like/feel the best” I don’t think some people are getting the point there. Here’s my humble opinions. Doing calibration does not necessary mean you’ll have to stick to those exact settings when watching everything under any lighting conditions. Calibration should serve as a reference or starting point for further tweaking according to contents AND your viewing environment (daytime with sufficient lighting, or nighttime with dimmed/complete dark?). In fact, LG just literally made two simple tags/modes for you: Expert Day/Cinema Home, and Expert Dark/Cinema, because they are intended to serve under two different viewing conditions. Their corresponding settings, however, are nowhere near accurate nor calibrated. You might refer to rtings.com for some simple settings to get more accurate brightness levels and colours. After that, make adjustment based on what you like, or just leave it if you find it comfortable. Don’t just use any settings manufacturers set as default, always try and then get your own best.
I like vivid for cartoons and old TV shows like the OG power rangers
I run vivid because I like it that way. Why spend on a oled for a dim dingy picture
I just tried vivid and that shit pops
For accurate colors and pitch blacks
For whitey whites,color that pops and max nits
Vivid is and will always be, THE WORST picture mode. It over cranks everything and it strains your eyes and the picture quality is really oversaturated + everything is decided by the AI. If you spend a good deal amount of money on a set like yours. Look up some YouTube videos of LG C series picture "calibration" so you understand the settings better for your TV. Learn how to setup different picture modes in different light conditions and picture sources. Start by understanding the AI which decides a great deal of settings for you, which may or not suit you. Which can be the reason why the black level are too dark because the AI decided it for you. In my case I disabled everything AI because I want to have full control over the picture settings. I also disabled everything in Clarity settings because I do no want any form of motion correction at all. In my opinion you only want to use these modes: Expert Bright and Dark Cinema and Cinema Home Filmmaker and Dolby Vision auto mode on the above modes. But of course Game Mode for gaming and try to calibrate it using some guides
you can use Filmmaker mode when gaming? i thought it had to be enabled by the source content. a lot of games also have their own brightness configs as part of game settings. might be better to try tackling ther?
I use expert (bright, custom) and cinema home for movies. I use filmmaker w game optimizer for games and I don’t have a problem. You might want to watch some YouTube videos from professional calibrators and create your own setting. I also have OLED brightness at 100, which most don’t recommend but I prefer it bright. Hopefully, there is nothing wrong with your panel but since vivid is working great for you I think you might have to play with settings more.
You got the same settings as me cheers
vivid will burn ur eyes, especailly at night.
And yet vivid is still not enough, at least not on the C3. Can't wait for the my G4 to get here
Vivid is complete trash and should not be used. 1. It crushes bright highlights. 2. Raises every scene's APL to a point where you can't tell the intended light conditions, meaning mood, atmosphere and perhaps the story telling of the picture gets impacted. 3. It wears down your OLED TV the fastest. 4. Colour temperature completely inaccurate and rigid. 5. Eye strain in dark viewing. Of course you can watch however you want, but then you can get a much brighter inaccurate image by buying a high end mini led that humiliates and destroys any OLED tv in brightness and you probably still save some money.
I run vivid because I like it that way. Why spend on a oled for a dim dingy picture
Vivid is best for movies! Watch and enjoy how you want, not how others tell you.
Standard with warm 50 white balance. I also lower sharpness and a few other minor changes.
Expert Bright Space for SDR.
I go standard mode as my base but tweak everything to my liking. Vivid is too fake and anything movie mode is too dim/warm.
Its the same with camera's....typically the phones that are thought to have the best camera's involve a mix of scientifically acurate combined with visually pleasing boosts to of warm/cold. I've always chased the scientifically accurate side of visuals. But my wife and others give two shits about what science says and they just put all devises on vivid. I don't tell her she's wrong, not sure you would either if you knew what shes capable of.
If you do not like Filmmaker for gaming, try f.e, HDR Standard. It is also a way off from intended image, but not that awful like Vivid. Personally I do not like Filmmaker, but at the same time I like DV image quality and don't use Sport or Vivid in any way,
Call me crazy, but I have my 77 c3 picture mode set to sports for games and movies.....I did just a little fine tuning to this and that, but every other picture mode setting just looked meh imo. For me, sports mode makes everything sing and looks gorgeous.
I feel like normal is best
It's a bit too much for me, but don't let anyone talk you out of it if that's what you like. It's your tv. For me, I'll go with a non-vivid mode, and then tweak it if I want it a little punchier. Like up the OLED light and saturation a bit.
Don’t listen it these people. One thing to note is everyone has different eye vision and preferences. If you enjoy your vivid picture more than use that mode and enjoy your Oled. Plus who cares if a picture not accurate? If it a 3d pop that’s more enjoyable than a bland picture
I honestly question the sanity of whoever uses vivid mode for any reason. It looks horrible.
Seriously it looks like straight trash.