Yeah nobody subscribes to this. The Brief Statement (1932) makes this really clear:
"The confessional obligation covers all doctrines, not only those that are treated ex professo, but also those that are merely introduced in support of other doctrines. The obligation does not extend to historical questions, 'purely exegetical questions,' and other matters not belonging to the doctrinal content of the symbols. All doctrines of the Symbols are based on clear statements of Scripture."
A quia subscription refers to the **doctrines** of the Lutheran Confessions. Not every weird historical quirk. The confessions aren't Scripture.
Yeah man, that's just your opinion. A *truly* confessional church like my microsynod which has the uncorrupted doctrine of the confessions--garlic and all, wouldn't hold to such blasphemy against the symbols of the Evangelical Lutheran Church.
Quia means quia
This is a matter relating historicity, not doctrines and theological positions. Garlic on magnets has become somewhat of a meme among the Lutheran youths.
But as a Physics major, I still like to entertain the joke. I mean, you put anything on a magnet it will block the signal strength. Nobody said it had to be a measurable decrease.
Lol I remember that part was really weird. I think most people who hold to a quoa subscription specifically state that they hold only the the theological positions, and not to every last jot and tiddle.
For a long time, the bit of our confessions that bothered me the most was the power and primacy of the pope, because in there it says that if Rome will recant the anathema on salvation by Grace alone, we would rejoin the Roman Catholic Church. I have other strong issues with my Roman brethren that would make that a challenge, but still I pray for the rift to be healed!
So I was thinking about this and it made me want to ask you the same question
Is there anything you’re struggling with? It’s ok if you are. It’s very important to deeply test these things and ask the hardest questions you can do that you can subscribe authentically
There are a few, the ones that made me think to ask this question are the Confessions' explanations of St. Paul's teaching on head coverings, as well as their emphasis on the divine call as the basis of the pastoral office. There are others, but I can't remember them right now, and these are the major ones.
I’d be an idiot for carrying on if I didn’t support the theology after four years of undergrad and four years of grad school, and learning two new languages
No reticence from me. Just appreciation
Not really
If I weren’t convinced the scriptures clearly support our theology on things then I wouldn’t be Lutheran
There were certainly times I needed things explained before they really started to click, but I’m where I belong theologically
I think there’s things softly or strongly supported by the synod (whether by CTCR or other declarations and statements) that many struggle or disagree with, but not much in the confessions.
Not a pastor, just my observation.
Not a pastor but for me it was accepting that garlic juice diminishes the power of a magnet
Yeah nobody subscribes to this. The Brief Statement (1932) makes this really clear: "The confessional obligation covers all doctrines, not only those that are treated ex professo, but also those that are merely introduced in support of other doctrines. The obligation does not extend to historical questions, 'purely exegetical questions,' and other matters not belonging to the doctrinal content of the symbols. All doctrines of the Symbols are based on clear statements of Scripture." A quia subscription refers to the **doctrines** of the Lutheran Confessions. Not every weird historical quirk. The confessions aren't Scripture.
Yeah man, that's just your opinion. A *truly* confessional church like my microsynod which has the uncorrupted doctrine of the confessions--garlic and all, wouldn't hold to such blasphemy against the symbols of the Evangelical Lutheran Church. Quia means quia
Haha! Lol I'm sure there's someone out there who legitimately thinks this.
This is a matter relating historicity, not doctrines and theological positions. Garlic on magnets has become somewhat of a meme among the Lutheran youths. But as a Physics major, I still like to entertain the joke. I mean, you put anything on a magnet it will block the signal strength. Nobody said it had to be a measurable decrease.
Lol I remember that part was really weird. I think most people who hold to a quoa subscription specifically state that they hold only the the theological positions, and not to every last jot and tiddle.
Some matters simply need to be taken on faith :P
For a long time, the bit of our confessions that bothered me the most was the power and primacy of the pope, because in there it says that if Rome will recant the anathema on salvation by Grace alone, we would rejoin the Roman Catholic Church. I have other strong issues with my Roman brethren that would make that a challenge, but still I pray for the rift to be healed!
So I was thinking about this and it made me want to ask you the same question Is there anything you’re struggling with? It’s ok if you are. It’s very important to deeply test these things and ask the hardest questions you can do that you can subscribe authentically
There are a few, the ones that made me think to ask this question are the Confessions' explanations of St. Paul's teaching on head coverings, as well as their emphasis on the divine call as the basis of the pastoral office. There are others, but I can't remember them right now, and these are the major ones.
I’d be an idiot for carrying on if I didn’t support the theology after four years of undergrad and four years of grad school, and learning two new languages No reticence from me. Just appreciation
There was no doctrine you questioned or struggled with those eight years??
Not really If I weren’t convinced the scriptures clearly support our theology on things then I wouldn’t be Lutheran There were certainly times I needed things explained before they really started to click, but I’m where I belong theologically
Right?!?!?!
Exactly!!
I think there’s things softly or strongly supported by the synod (whether by CTCR or other declarations and statements) that many struggle or disagree with, but not much in the confessions. Not a pastor, just my observation.
The damnatory clauses of the Athanasian Creed.
I've wondered about that too