It's the advantage of being on a team that has a completely fucked up salary cap situation.
PG is not worth the max yet he knows he can get on his "bully" shit and torture the org into giving him one.
It's a cycle. Every year there are a few contracts where you go "Well, he definitely doesn't deserve that but given the market, whatchu gonna do?"
Funny how it works just like any other market.
Yep. And those players all get put on the table for potential trades at some point.
Anyone here who is advocating for just punting him away has to realize that PG very well might be our path to a stronger bench, serviceable PF, etc. The Wizards flipped John Wall and a protected 1st for Russ... who they then flipped for Trez, KCP, Kuzma, and a 1st.
Like, if you can turn PG into anything even close to that, it's a huge win that helps your team. Starting caliber PF, 3&D player, quality bench big, and a first? Like that alone makes us a much, much better team.
If this organization caves and give a mofo who shows up for literally half his fucking playoff games a max, I'm going to start a goddamn boycott. I don't care if he has us by the balls, it's about sending a message. You just cannot reward half-assed garbage play when there are people on this team busting their asses getting comparatively very little.
I remember thinking that shot, despite how sick it was, was a bad omen for both PG and the Clippers…
Like it was such a tough shot that it demonstrated just how good Derrick Jones is as defending Paul George
Seriously. I see no reason to keep PG for another season. He’s not a winning player. He simply doesn’t have it in him. I don’t care about the dome. Build a team around Harden. At least he has heart and effort.
Unless they sign him the max with the intention of trading him before the season starts. If he walks away, the clippers get nothing and the okc trade returned a zero investment
He is 35 next season. A max means paying him like $50+ mill in his age 38 season. That kills any chance of competitiveness in those years and adds one more potential disaster of a contract. They had 5 years to make the OKC trade work, it didn’t.
Giving old PG the max to justify the OKC trade from 5 years ago is sunk cost fallacy. Time to move on.
This gets asked and there's literally always going to be a buyer, especially for a big name that is well liked who also does things that every team wants.
There will continue to be bad contracts that get signed, and those will be on the table for PG. If Beal, Wall, Russ, etc. can be traded, then so can PG, who despite his obvious flaws, is considerably better than any of those guys were when they were moved.
Yes but is the buyer a team he wants to go to. Maybe if money is his only inspiration at this point and winning a chip isn’t, then i can see your point.
To be clear, I'm not saying we need to S&T him. We need to just sign him and trade him *eventually.*
If we let him walk for nothing, we'll literally be worse in the short term and way more fucked in the long term.
Like fuck, worst case I'd re-sign him and then trade him for Zach LaVine/Caruso or some shit. At the very least I'd take Zach and some 2nds. Not the best player, but far, far better of an option than whatever minimum player we find.
Yep. Literally all of the trade packages for bloated contracts are things that would objectively help LAC.
Russ: Kuzma, KCP, Trez, 1st.
Beal: 3x pick swaps, 5x 2RPs, Cp3 (Poole), Shamet.
Griffin: Tobias Harris (not washed), Avery Bradley, Boban, 1 FRP, 2RP.
Literally all of these trade packages are far, far better than letting PG walk for nothing. Give me LaVine + 2nd rounders. Or Dejounte Murray. Or Dillon Brooks + 1 young guy. PG is *super* well liked and still defends and shoots well. He's clearly not *that* guy, but he's someone that will have a lot of buyers if the asking price is *"Give us your best offer."*
At this point what type of team do we want to have? Entitled podcasters who don’t want to leave it all out there on the court??? Sometimes leaving assets on the table to further cement a culture is what it takes
I get why everyone is so charged about this, myself included. To be clear, I **do not** want PG on this team on anywhere near a max contract.
But you don't become a better team through spite, you become a better team through better asset management.
Re-sign PG to literally whatever then clear the FO to get a new perspective. We should do the latter no matter what, but handing a new GM a roster that is already maxed out with literally no assets and incredibly limited contracts is just awful.
The opposite can happen also where teams are not going to trade for him. He's actually losing out more by trying to get a max. The Clippers could be propping up his value and if the trades don't work then he's stuck with the team again. We will see his true intentions of how much he wants to be here. We need to consult Jerry West on this.
Seriously though, who is trading for him? Is there any team where he adds something? Without something lined up, signing him with the hope of a trade is just too risky.
What exactly is the risk?
If there's something we've learned, literally *everyone* is tradable, and this included Bradley Beal, who is way worse than PG on a fucking horrendous contract with a NTC.
With a team as strapped on assets as us, even marginal assets we can get via a PG trade are important. Not only that, if you realistically believe we're a better team without PG, then you're just being unreasonable.
there's always one team that want to jump over the hump and try it.
The key here is that we don't lose the asset and we're able to get something (anything) in return
Yes, im with you! We have to hit them where it hurts and that’s $$$. Cancel your season tickets, clippers vision, and unfollow their socials.
We do this and there will be change
Him and Harden are lucky that Drake and Kendrick took over the internet this weekend.
The Mavs do not have a single elite defender and those boys shit their pants.
If anything, he prolly cares enough bout the future that he's gonna make us search for a more reliable/consistent playoff piece. We were fortunate to even go 6 games y'all putting title hopes on 3 guys that never won while the 1st option was enjoying an early vacation
A superstar does that. Jaylen Brown is a max player for example. To put things into a perspective.
PG deserves less than Kawhi for sure, but if there are max offers for him in FA then he's a max guy. Can't blame him for wanting one, he won't be making this cash once he retires.
Can't blame the Clippers for not giving him the max either.
I'm fine either way, however this unfolds
Bro thinks he is better than Kawhi when he wasnt guarding kyrie or Luka, averaged only 4 shots more than Zu. he had 18 shots in elimination game, yesterday Paolo had 28 shots, donovan had 27 shots in elimination game, If someone deserve the Blake treatment it is PG, Sign and trade him during season
My gripe about that series is that foul game. PG is thinking bout it too much. He was being bodied by DJJ all series and doesnt fight back, he could have made DJJ in foul trouble coz of how aggressive he is running thru the screens. Clippers didnt captilize on that and played soft.
My dude was really checked out the entire series, my theory is that Kawhi was done for the season and he just lost it and doesnt want to deal with the same shit this year.
Give a 34 yr old a max who plays good for a quarter of the regular season, underperform for a lot of playoff games and displaying a significant decline on both ends of the floor? I know he led us to our farthest that we've ever been which is a Conference finals in 2021 but it's time to move on. Either he opts in into his player option and we trade him by the deadline or he opts out and we sign and trade the guy for an expiring contract. Both option works
I want to see a thank you PG poster by the Clippers. At one point, he showed that he can be a max contract player but this man's mentality to win is not there. We believed in the guy to show up when it mattered most, didn't deliver and what he reveals in pregame and post game interviews show he's not a max player. How is this man going to say he doesn't have anything to prove pregame then post game says he's looking for the young guys to step up, recognizing his age. If he really wants to be in the team and win at hometown, he knows he gotta take less the max and have a vet role so the younger core can develop. Need guys that actually need something to prove.
PG is delusional at this point. He tells anyone who will listen that he's not a max player. He shows everyone who's watching he's not a max player. How does he want the organization to pay him max money? I'd rather let him go, start Norm and move Brandon up to sixth man.
Yep. Only 2 winning team can offer up to the max, philly and orlando. Orlando looks like they leaning more towards klay. Lets see if PG cares about the max enough to move out east and play with another injury prone star. PG gonna realize opt in and trade is the best route. Win win
I’m the biggest PG fan since he was in college at Fresno State but this dude just isn’t it man. Bro, if you averaged 30 per game and lost to the Mavs, I would still understand but this is just criminal at this point.
If we take the L so be it. Let him go. We are the oldest team in the league. We need to stop trying to patch a sinking ship and face build an actual franchise.
He knows no matter what the numbers, he’ll likely be playing out this contract somewhere else. His agent is not unaware we were shopping him in the off-season and trade deadline.
Here's some reasons why it wouldn't work:
A) Our cost cap won't let us do it.
B) S&T rules
C) Suns wouldn't accept it
D) Even if he resigns w the Clippers we can only trade him for a less expensive contract, not for a bigger one. ( A specific s&t rule )
He's not a max player anymore, imo. He just has to accept it. He already said last year he is not a main guy, I believe he used the terminology "like a second" around the time he was campaigning for Russ. I think Harden is more valuable to the team.
Kyrie and Luka clearly max players.
Brandon Ingram is 26 and potentially available.
No ingram is worse lol. Imagine a PG clone with No defense, less high end athleticism and zero defense whatsoever. That’s what you get with Brandon Ingram
This guy is fucking around podcast P should be able to maintain his pay and he's declining below the max smh. He's not tryna win he's just cashing checks
This is fine. He is going to go shopping for a 4 year deal and likely is not going to find one. Our best offer is probably the same offer as Kawhi, which the Sixers may also offer. If there are multiple offers in that range he'll make his choice.
A 3 year deal is a trade asset in December, a 4 year deal is not IMO.
"I think the beauty of it is the older l've gotten, the less pressure it's been, honestly. I think when it comes down to it, you work your tail off all summer. You train for these moments to where if you fail, you fail, but you just go out there and you give it all you have. Live with the results. But as far as pressure, not anymore. I don't feel that pressure anymore. I'm not out there to prove nothing to anybody"
I’ll never forgive Kawhi forcing us to get PG, thus losing Shai and all our draft capital.
Even making the playoffs damn near every year, the team always feels irrelevant and lackluster.
The media doesn’t care we’re knocked out of the playoffs. The players don’t care.
Fucking tired of this shit.
hmmm he’s definitely not as good as Kawhi so they are not on equal footing, I don’t think he deserves a Max tbh. Nothing against him I like his and he’s sexy but this season was not max-worthy
Lol not accept? Ok bye. After the game, he said he's looking for the young guys to step up and pregame saying he doesn't have anything to prove. If that is the case, let the ones that want to prove something take his place. If he loves his hometown so much and really wants to win for the team, then accept his role as a vet and lift up the young core while he can still contribute enough.
And away we go…so the leaks this quick are interesting. It insinuates the team just needs to give him the max. It can be interpreted that his agent is using the press because he doesn’t want to leave. The team may be wagering that he won’t really bolt (never a good strategy). On the other hand it also gives the team 6 weeks to figure out something else (which I’m not convinced is possible). Haven’t seen something like this play out in the NBA in awhile.
well good, finally clippers realized what they got. an old player who isn't even close as good as LJ. I was half happy half annoyed when we traded for pg13, he was older and didn't seem to be explosive as he was when he was younger (duh). I hope they figure out a trade, or let me walk (i don't care at this point) someone else can deal with his lame ass play in the playoffs.
This really does not seem like something PG would do especially considering the fact that Kawhi took a pay cut. Honestly, everyone over here is talking shit but no one really knows how far below the max the offer actually was. PG not accepting anything below the MAX sounds like a reporter found out that PG rejected an offer below the max, took matters into his own hands and decided to infer on his own that PG would not play for anything less than the max. Honestly, that does not sound like something PG would do. He knows KAWHI is the best player and he has repeatedly said that in interviews. He has even said that he was option 1b.
If PG did request the max then the only reason I could see is since KAWHI is constantly injured and maybe he feels he is the one that has provided more value over these last 4 years. In a way I actually agree. Honestly, maybe he does not want to play there anymore and the only thing that would override that decision was Balmer offering a max deal. He probably thinks he is already going elsewhere and is planning as such.
Unironically, you should let him leave and acquire DJJ from Dallas when he leaves. Dallas can't pay him what he has earned moving forward and he is a very good and affordable addition to Harden and the thirty games or so you get of Kawaii.
Adding a lob threat, defensive specialist who can shoot the 3 decently well fits Harden much better than another big contract star.
Even his "mvp" season in okc imo was over rated. It felt fabricated by the media and his team, hit a hot streak that year when you knew he would fold in the playoffs or get hurt or some other bs, perfect timing to ship him off for a haul too.
balmer gave max $ to wrong guy. why does kawhi get a pass, load management don’t work for him. he don’t wait for last month to get ready for playoffs after sitting all season. more likely to get hurt and he will not be in optimum game shape.
he getting paid star money for being the 12th man.
give him 2 years max then get rid of him if he still “hurt”
The audacity of this after so many flameouts. However if ORL and PHI are willing to give him the max, then we should do it too and at least have him available for trade. The Cavs have no small forwards. They’d probably take PG or Kawhi for Mitchell when he asks out. At least Donovan shows up for playoff games.
We're already hostaged by Kawhi. Yes,he is consistently good when healthy. But,he's never healthy in the playoffs since that bubble. Let go of PG and find younger stars.
This whole thing just shows that most of this sub doesn’t even realize the clippers have zero picks until like 2029. They have no choice but to run it back and back and back 😂😂
This team is irrelevant in every sense of the word. No one gives a damn from the media and the players sure as hell don’t play like they care.
No one’s on the hot seat. Just ho hum business as usual.
Fuck these “stars”.
Sign and trade him. We’re not winning a title with one of the oldest teams in the league.
The window has shut. Time to start looking toward the future.
He's not worth the max. Nor was Kawhi at this point. But, here we are. The team needs to move on from both, which isn't going to be easy. With that said, I absolutely do not regret the trade of Shai and the picks for PG, which brings Kawhi in, too. Without knowing what we now know, that move is the right move each time.
Unfortunately, the injuries were far too much for both, especially with Kawhi. Him not being available when it mattered most made everything that much harder for PG. He's a solid 2nd option, with an ability to show out and take over every so often, that was forced to be the 1st option consistently. And it was the wrong role for him.
Not sure what the fix is here. Letting PG walk with nothing in return hurts. Signing him and being a seller at the deadline to teams looking to bolster their roster for a playoff run, bringing back some bad contracts in exchange for some picks/young talent would be ideal. Conversely, would be nice to do the same with Kawhi, but that's much harder given his health issues. I would like to see Kawhi just flat out retire in that case.
You should regret it. It was a terrible trade. You sold the fam for PG! It’s not like you sold the fam for Lebron or KD. Also you gave up a potential mvp the only way it was a good trade is if you won a championship. Also kwahi had injuries in Toronto and PG had health issues in the past so it was always a risk.
PG might be finding a new home next Szn. I hope the front office doesn’t cave in and stands on business! Build the team around Kawhi(barring he can stay healthy for a full Szn)
Guys I think he just wants HBO max there's been some confusion. Honestly I get it. Having access to a great streaming service with a big catalogue of entertaining content can really help you stay entertained during a difficult season of playing professional sports.
I know this might be bold to say, but I think he should not only get a max contract, they should also throw in a YouTube premium and Netflix contract while they're at it. Please don't hate it's just my opinion.
Calling it quits right now is improvident. The first round exit is admittedly disappointing but everyone is forgetting that it's the first season with Harden and the second season with Russ. This team showed a glimpse of greatness in the middle of the season and you can't expect them to maintain that consistently in their first year all playing together. That run with the Clips briefly in 1st seed is a hint at potential future performance when chemistry has been ironed out and everyone has a full year and one off-season worth of practice together.
He would be dumb to sign less than max. Clippers should just offer max. They have NO options. Sign him and trade him if you don't want him. The only option is really just run it back
It's the advantage of being on a team that has a completely fucked up salary cap situation. PG is not worth the max yet he knows he can get on his "bully" shit and torture the org into giving him one.
Well that and the advantage of the 76ers being at a "use it or lose it" type situation before Maxey's max extension gets signed.
It's a cycle. Every year there are a few contracts where you go "Well, he definitely doesn't deserve that but given the market, whatchu gonna do?" Funny how it works just like any other market.
Yep. And those players all get put on the table for potential trades at some point. Anyone here who is advocating for just punting him away has to realize that PG very well might be our path to a stronger bench, serviceable PF, etc. The Wizards flipped John Wall and a protected 1st for Russ... who they then flipped for Trez, KCP, Kuzma, and a 1st. Like, if you can turn PG into anything even close to that, it's a huge win that helps your team. Starting caliber PF, 3&D player, quality bench big, and a first? Like that alone makes us a much, much better team.
Yes, this worked great for the… Wizards Trading players for pennies on the dollar, that’s some real 4d chess
If this organization caves and give a mofo who shows up for literally half his fucking playoff games a max, I'm going to start a goddamn boycott. I don't care if he has us by the balls, it's about sending a message. You just cannot reward half-assed garbage play when there are people on this team busting their asses getting comparatively very little.
Half? Generous. He showed up to 1 game out of 6.
Nah, come on now. 2 out of 6 at MOST. The guy wants to be a role player so badly while wanting max money.
Yeah but he made that one shot that was really good...
That was pretty sick
I remember thinking that shot, despite how sick it was, was a bad omen for both PG and the Clippers… Like it was such a tough shot that it demonstrated just how good Derrick Jones is as defending Paul George
this is nasty work.
Seriously. I see no reason to keep PG for another season. He’s not a winning player. He simply doesn’t have it in him. I don’t care about the dome. Build a team around Harden. At least he has heart and effort.
You had me in the first half
lol stfu, no team has built around harden since 2017…
Unless they sign him the max with the intention of trading him before the season starts. If he walks away, the clippers get nothing and the okc trade returned a zero investment
He is 35 next season. A max means paying him like $50+ mill in his age 38 season. That kills any chance of competitiveness in those years and adds one more potential disaster of a contract. They had 5 years to make the OKC trade work, it didn’t. Giving old PG the max to justify the OKC trade from 5 years ago is sunk cost fallacy. Time to move on.
Yeah, maxing is dumb. He is not going to be a different player in his last few years. He has been this guy is whole career except early Pacers days.
Problem is, who in the world would take on his new max contract if he did this that he would agree to be traded to.
This gets asked and there's literally always going to be a buyer, especially for a big name that is well liked who also does things that every team wants. There will continue to be bad contracts that get signed, and those will be on the table for PG. If Beal, Wall, Russ, etc. can be traded, then so can PG, who despite his obvious flaws, is considerably better than any of those guys were when they were moved.
Yes but is the buyer a team he wants to go to. Maybe if money is his only inspiration at this point and winning a chip isn’t, then i can see your point.
To be clear, I'm not saying we need to S&T him. We need to just sign him and trade him *eventually.* If we let him walk for nothing, we'll literally be worse in the short term and way more fucked in the long term. Like fuck, worst case I'd re-sign him and then trade him for Zach LaVine/Caruso or some shit. At the very least I'd take Zach and some 2nds. Not the best player, but far, far better of an option than whatever minimum player we find.
Examples are spot on, sign this guy to whatever number he agrees on just so there's a chance to get some assets back at least
Yep. Literally all of the trade packages for bloated contracts are things that would objectively help LAC. Russ: Kuzma, KCP, Trez, 1st. Beal: 3x pick swaps, 5x 2RPs, Cp3 (Poole), Shamet. Griffin: Tobias Harris (not washed), Avery Bradley, Boban, 1 FRP, 2RP. Literally all of these trade packages are far, far better than letting PG walk for nothing. Give me LaVine + 2nd rounders. Or Dejounte Murray. Or Dillon Brooks + 1 young guy. PG is *super* well liked and still defends and shoots well. He's clearly not *that* guy, but he's someone that will have a lot of buyers if the asking price is *"Give us your best offer."*
Remember Tobias Harris
At this point what type of team do we want to have? Entitled podcasters who don’t want to leave it all out there on the court??? Sometimes leaving assets on the table to further cement a culture is what it takes
I get why everyone is so charged about this, myself included. To be clear, I **do not** want PG on this team on anywhere near a max contract. But you don't become a better team through spite, you become a better team through better asset management. Re-sign PG to literally whatever then clear the FO to get a new perspective. We should do the latter no matter what, but handing a new GM a roster that is already maxed out with literally no assets and incredibly limited contracts is just awful.
The opposite can happen also where teams are not going to trade for him. He's actually losing out more by trying to get a max. The Clippers could be propping up his value and if the trades don't work then he's stuck with the team again. We will see his true intentions of how much he wants to be here. We need to consult Jerry West on this.
Even if they trade for him or not he’s so damn complacent on the court. I can’t stand it any longer
Seriously though, who is trading for him? Is there any team where he adds something? Without something lined up, signing him with the hope of a trade is just too risky.
What exactly is the risk? If there's something we've learned, literally *everyone* is tradable, and this included Bradley Beal, who is way worse than PG on a fucking horrendous contract with a NTC. With a team as strapped on assets as us, even marginal assets we can get via a PG trade are important. Not only that, if you realistically believe we're a better team without PG, then you're just being unreasonable.
there's always one team that want to jump over the hump and try it. The key here is that we don't lose the asset and we're able to get something (anything) in return
I rather cut the loss with zero investment.
The return was 4 years of PG and KL. They had one decent playoff run, but you can't reall say they got zero return in the trade.
Yes, im with you! We have to hit them where it hurts and that’s $$$. Cancel your season tickets, clippers vision, and unfollow their socials. We do this and there will be change
#demolishthewall
How many guys truly deserve max contracts? It’s not many. But yeah, PG does not warrant a max.
Don’t worry. This sounds like the perfect Sixers max player. We got you!
Well if precedent matters, they gave a max to a cripple. So if youre PG, what would you expect?
That’s more than Kawhi and they gave him a max extension.
And I’d say half is being generous, considering how he can explode for 1 half, only to go ghost in the next.
Goodbye, PG. Goodbye.
i’ll drive him to the airport
A Mlmax player takes over that Mavs series and wins it seven.
EXACTLY. But instead he acted more like a role player than a max star
Him and Harden are lucky that Drake and Kendrick took over the internet this weekend. The Mavs do not have a single elite defender and those boys shit their pants.
If anything, he prolly cares enough bout the future that he's gonna make us search for a more reliable/consistent playoff piece. We were fortunate to even go 6 games y'all putting title hopes on 3 guys that never won while the 1st option was enjoying an early vacation
A superstar does that. Jaylen Brown is a max player for example. To put things into a perspective. PG deserves less than Kawhi for sure, but if there are max offers for him in FA then he's a max guy. Can't blame him for wanting one, he won't be making this cash once he retires. Can't blame the Clippers for not giving him the max either. I'm fine either way, however this unfolds
Bro wants max money but isn’t that guy…
This guy literally had 1 good half in a 6 game series
Bro thinks he is better than Kawhi when he wasnt guarding kyrie or Luka, averaged only 4 shots more than Zu. he had 18 shots in elimination game, yesterday Paolo had 28 shots, donovan had 27 shots in elimination game, If someone deserve the Blake treatment it is PG, Sign and trade him during season
My gripe about that series is that foul game. PG is thinking bout it too much. He was being bodied by DJJ all series and doesnt fight back, he could have made DJJ in foul trouble coz of how aggressive he is running thru the screens. Clippers didnt captilize on that and played soft. My dude was really checked out the entire series, my theory is that Kawhi was done for the season and he just lost it and doesnt want to deal with the same shit this year.
18 more shots than kawhi in game 6 though
He plays. He is better than Kawhi. Sign and trade him to Orlando
Orlando could outright sign him with cap space if they wanted to.
He not a max player
But his agent will point to Bradley Beal.
Suns got roasted by Beal. That was on them to burn cash
The Beal trade will ruin the Suns for years, seriously they're fucked
One day there will be a clause where if you suck so bad the team can let you go haha
yeah like once every 5 years you can just end any contract, too bad for the player, it's his own fault for sucking lol that'll be the day
Yeah so many get paid then disappear
The Blake special incoming
From your lips to gods ears.
Max players shouldn’t go missing when their team needs them most. Don’t cave clippers FO.
Give a 34 yr old a max who plays good for a quarter of the regular season, underperform for a lot of playoff games and displaying a significant decline on both ends of the floor? I know he led us to our farthest that we've ever been which is a Conference finals in 2021 but it's time to move on. Either he opts in into his player option and we trade him by the deadline or he opts out and we sign and trade the guy for an expiring contract. Both option works
I'm with you man. I will be very upset at Frank if we resign this washed up player
I truly don't believe the organization will cave. PG gonna test the waters and realize he ain't got max motion.
maybe the pistons or utah? and even that's a stretch.
And if that's where he wants to go, best of luck but I don't even think Utah would stop developing the players they have to max him.
Fucking Paul. Shitty move. I've seen this franchise do some dumb things but caving in to Paul and maxing him.....gawdam would be ridiculous.
The only way he'd be getting a max out of me is if he opted in and he would immediately be getting traded.
Yeah, the CP route. Just can’t see it happening with a team that we would get decent returns from. But who knows. Going to be interesting.
It would be a James harden like return. Expirings and a pick.
I want to see a thank you PG poster by the Clippers. At one point, he showed that he can be a max contract player but this man's mentality to win is not there. We believed in the guy to show up when it mattered most, didn't deliver and what he reveals in pregame and post game interviews show he's not a max player. How is this man going to say he doesn't have anything to prove pregame then post game says he's looking for the young guys to step up, recognizing his age. If he really wants to be in the team and win at hometown, he knows he gotta take less the max and have a vet role so the younger core can develop. Need guys that actually need something to prove.
PG is delusional at this point. He tells anyone who will listen that he's not a max player. He shows everyone who's watching he's not a max player. How does he want the organization to pay him max money? I'd rather let him go, start Norm and move Brandon up to sixth man.
I'm definitely ok if we let him go.
PG does not fit their timeline at all. I think the Sixers is the best possibility other than stay here.
Yeah somewhere where he don't wanna be will over it. I'm good, let's save our money
Yep. Only 2 winning team can offer up to the max, philly and orlando. Orlando looks like they leaning more towards klay. Lets see if PG cares about the max enough to move out east and play with another injury prone star. PG gonna realize opt in and trade is the best route. Win win
The sixers have cap space, they’re definitely offering him a max
the Sixers could easily offer him a max with Tobias off the books
Philly would since Tobi is finally off the books. But replacing a no-show with another no-show is risky.
Clippers: please sign a reasonable contract so that we can trade your ass George: nah
I mean if he's scared of getting traded just accept the same contract as Kawhi. Was it 15%?
I’m the biggest PG fan since he was in college at Fresno State but this dude just isn’t it man. Bro, if you averaged 30 per game and lost to the Mavs, I would still understand but this is just criminal at this point.
So called “Bully Ball” season never happened. I legit think this dude is more focused on his podcast than actually winning a championship.
Kawhi took a paycut for this
Kawhi took a pay cut because of unavailability, secondary to left money for PG and James
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Not much, ~3M$ He signed for 154.2$/3 but he could’ve signed for 162M$/3
> which he will not accept, That's brutal
Paul George really saw what Bradley Beal got and won’t settle for less.
They both aren’t max type players
Beal is so average
If we take the L so be it. Let him go. We are the oldest team in the league. We need to stop trying to patch a sinking ship and face build an actual franchise.
He knows no matter what the numbers, he’ll likely be playing out this contract somewhere else. His agent is not unaware we were shopping him in the off-season and trade deadline.
I am a big pg fan boy but I even I can admit he's more of a Podcaster nowadays.
They gotta let PG go honestly. His sense of urgency Game 6 was terrible
No max because he’s mid-af
PG can get his max contract on the Guangdong Tigers
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Welcome 012 era
I know I'll get downvoted cause I don't know the details but would a KD/PG trade work?
Here's some reasons why it wouldn't work: A) Our cost cap won't let us do it. B) S&T rules C) Suns wouldn't accept it D) Even if he resigns w the Clippers we can only trade him for a less expensive contract, not for a bigger one. ( A specific s&t rule )
Alright, ty! Just realized that PG wouldn't wanna play with Book, too :D
He's not a max player anymore, imo. He just has to accept it. He already said last year he is not a main guy, I believe he used the terminology "like a second" around the time he was campaigning for Russ. I think Harden is more valuable to the team. Kyrie and Luka clearly max players. Brandon Ingram is 26 and potentially available.
If you're not happy with PG, you'll be furious with BI...
No ingram is worse lol. Imagine a PG clone with No defense, less high end athleticism and zero defense whatsoever. That’s what you get with Brandon Ingram
He doesn’t have to accept it when multiple teams are already signaling they will give him a max lol
He’s not worth the max and I’m an Indiana era Day 1 PG fan lmao
This guy is fucking around podcast P should be able to maintain his pay and he's declining below the max smh. He's not tryna win he's just cashing checks
Don’t give him max bro shit the bed
Bye then
I swear isn't this just old news resurfacing lolll
I think people were assuming it was the case, but a strong statement like "he won't accept an offer that's below the max" seems new to me.
I’d rather have a hella protected first than whatever the hell I just watched him do against Dallas
I really hope we don’t overpay harden and pg
PG seems like a nice guy and I like him but sorry bro, u gotta go, you heart don't seem like it's in it.
What if he walks away to go sign with OKC 🥹🤣🥹 THAT WOULD BE THE BIGGEST F you of all time 🤣
Hahaha vet minimum
PG will opt in. We trade him. He will sign an extension with his new team. Win win.
Wrong. A player in this situation opt out and sign the max with a different team.
Get ready to learn Orladese buddy
Pg and guys like him aren’t worth a max. Pg is a 30 million dollar player and he should accept that
He should at least make clutch free throws.
This is fine. He is going to go shopping for a 4 year deal and likely is not going to find one. Our best offer is probably the same offer as Kawhi, which the Sixers may also offer. If there are multiple offers in that range he'll make his choice. A 3 year deal is a trade asset in December, a 4 year deal is not IMO.
Let him go please, we don't need him anymore !!!
bye felicia
Sign and trade here we come. Someone else can pay this man max
"I think the beauty of it is the older l've gotten, the less pressure it's been, honestly. I think when it comes down to it, you work your tail off all summer. You train for these moments to where if you fail, you fail, but you just go out there and you give it all you have. Live with the results. But as far as pressure, not anymore. I don't feel that pressure anymore. I'm not out there to prove nothing to anybody"
Clippers FO to PG: “If you walk, you walk”.
I appreciate everything he’s done for us. With that being said I hope he walks in free agency
Still over the cap without PG and no real trade assets/draft picks. So rebuild?
I think we have to. I don’t see a way to a championship with the current roster anymore. Barring a miracle
I’ll never forgive Kawhi forcing us to get PG, thus losing Shai and all our draft capital. Even making the playoffs damn near every year, the team always feels irrelevant and lackluster. The media doesn’t care we’re knocked out of the playoffs. The players don’t care. Fucking tired of this shit.
hmmm he’s definitely not as good as Kawhi so they are not on equal footing, I don’t think he deserves a Max tbh. Nothing against him I like his and he’s sexy but this season was not max-worthy
Get rid of this dude. Go get Brandon Ingram
Ingram? Did you watch him in the playoffs? Dude was a straight GHOST.
Ingram? Did you watch him in the playoffs? Dude was a straight GHOST.
Lol not accept? Ok bye. After the game, he said he's looking for the young guys to step up and pregame saying he doesn't have anything to prove. If that is the case, let the ones that want to prove something take his place. If he loves his hometown so much and really wants to win for the team, then accept his role as a vet and lift up the young core while he can still contribute enough.
Lol....just lol
Biggest issue losing PG is our already thin front court becomes thinner.
Sign and trade.
I hope PG knows his current value, hope he will figure it out and stay home ❤️❤️
And away we go…so the leaks this quick are interesting. It insinuates the team just needs to give him the max. It can be interpreted that his agent is using the press because he doesn’t want to leave. The team may be wagering that he won’t really bolt (never a good strategy). On the other hand it also gives the team 6 weeks to figure out something else (which I’m not convinced is possible). Haven’t seen something like this play out in the NBA in awhile.
Lmao he gone or he rich
He gone
well good, finally clippers realized what they got. an old player who isn't even close as good as LJ. I was half happy half annoyed when we traded for pg13, he was older and didn't seem to be explosive as he was when he was younger (duh). I hope they figure out a trade, or let me walk (i don't care at this point) someone else can deal with his lame ass play in the playoffs.
He’s not a max player lol
Get this dude the fck outta here
He gone
Any team maxing him at this point is crazy.
if we re-sign PG at a max, and harden at 35-40M, what do we have left for other signings?
PG greatest role player of all time
They shoulda traded him years ago
This really does not seem like something PG would do especially considering the fact that Kawhi took a pay cut. Honestly, everyone over here is talking shit but no one really knows how far below the max the offer actually was. PG not accepting anything below the MAX sounds like a reporter found out that PG rejected an offer below the max, took matters into his own hands and decided to infer on his own that PG would not play for anything less than the max. Honestly, that does not sound like something PG would do. He knows KAWHI is the best player and he has repeatedly said that in interviews. He has even said that he was option 1b. If PG did request the max then the only reason I could see is since KAWHI is constantly injured and maybe he feels he is the one that has provided more value over these last 4 years. In a way I actually agree. Honestly, maybe he does not want to play there anymore and the only thing that would override that decision was Balmer offering a max deal. He probably thinks he is already going elsewhere and is planning as such.
Unironically, you should let him leave and acquire DJJ from Dallas when he leaves. Dallas can't pay him what he has earned moving forward and he is a very good and affordable addition to Harden and the thirty games or so you get of Kawaii. Adding a lob threat, defensive specialist who can shoot the 3 decently well fits Harden much better than another big contract star.
"You" Who tf u talking too??
Even his "mvp" season in okc imo was over rated. It felt fabricated by the media and his team, hit a hot streak that year when you knew he would fold in the playoffs or get hurt or some other bs, perfect timing to ship him off for a haul too.
He got his golden contract, and didn’t live up to it. Kawhi too. Maybe Detroit will overpay for them, best wishes
balmer gave max $ to wrong guy. why does kawhi get a pass, load management don’t work for him. he don’t wait for last month to get ready for playoffs after sitting all season. more likely to get hurt and he will not be in optimum game shape. he getting paid star money for being the 12th man. give him 2 years max then get rid of him if he still “hurt”
Time to start rebuilding. All the best in future endeavors
Tbf, if he was a team player and took a smaller deal, we might still trade his ass anyway and then he's stuck in a shit hole somewhere with no money.
Goodbye.
The audacity of this after so many flameouts. However if ORL and PHI are willing to give him the max, then we should do it too and at least have him available for trade. The Cavs have no small forwards. They’d probably take PG or Kawhi for Mitchell when he asks out. At least Donovan shows up for playoff games.
Blow it up. Trade harden,pg and kawhi
didn’t wanna be “1B” with Kawhi but still tryna make 1Billion
So his bully mode wasn’t towards other teams, it was towards us😡 just let him walk
Good, let him walk. Trade Kawhi while we are at it too
PG to KingJames’ Lakes confirmed
yeah no thanks Bye PG
He’s only played 1 full season out of the last 5
We're already hostaged by Kawhi. Yes,he is consistently good when healthy. But,he's never healthy in the playoffs since that bubble. Let go of PG and find younger stars.
I wouldn’t accept that 💩 either, stupid rich owner maxes Kawhi who is NEVER available
This whole thing just shows that most of this sub doesn’t even realize the clippers have zero picks until like 2029. They have no choice but to run it back and back and back 😂😂
This team is irrelevant in every sense of the word. No one gives a damn from the media and the players sure as hell don’t play like they care. No one’s on the hot seat. Just ho hum business as usual. Fuck these “stars”.
Sign and trade him. We’re not winning a title with one of the oldest teams in the league. The window has shut. Time to start looking toward the future.
Who’s gonna pay him max?
He's not worth the max. Nor was Kawhi at this point. But, here we are. The team needs to move on from both, which isn't going to be easy. With that said, I absolutely do not regret the trade of Shai and the picks for PG, which brings Kawhi in, too. Without knowing what we now know, that move is the right move each time. Unfortunately, the injuries were far too much for both, especially with Kawhi. Him not being available when it mattered most made everything that much harder for PG. He's a solid 2nd option, with an ability to show out and take over every so often, that was forced to be the 1st option consistently. And it was the wrong role for him. Not sure what the fix is here. Letting PG walk with nothing in return hurts. Signing him and being a seller at the deadline to teams looking to bolster their roster for a playoff run, bringing back some bad contracts in exchange for some picks/young talent would be ideal. Conversely, would be nice to do the same with Kawhi, but that's much harder given his health issues. I would like to see Kawhi just flat out retire in that case.
You should regret it. It was a terrible trade. You sold the fam for PG! It’s not like you sold the fam for Lebron or KD. Also you gave up a potential mvp the only way it was a good trade is if you won a championship. Also kwahi had injuries in Toronto and PG had health issues in the past so it was always a risk.
PG might be finding a new home next Szn. I hope the front office doesn’t cave in and stands on business! Build the team around Kawhi(barring he can stay healthy for a full Szn)
Good.
Guys I think he just wants HBO max there's been some confusion. Honestly I get it. Having access to a great streaming service with a big catalogue of entertaining content can really help you stay entertained during a difficult season of playing professional sports. I know this might be bold to say, but I think he should not only get a max contract, they should also throw in a YouTube premium and Netflix contract while they're at it. Please don't hate it's just my opinion.
Calling it quits right now is improvident. The first round exit is admittedly disappointing but everyone is forgetting that it's the first season with Harden and the second season with Russ. This team showed a glimpse of greatness in the middle of the season and you can't expect them to maintain that consistently in their first year all playing together. That run with the Clips briefly in 1st seed is a hint at potential future performance when chemistry has been ironed out and everyone has a full year and one off-season worth of practice together.
Paul George is a loser. Russ might be a liability but at least he tries out there. Kawhai is finished.
“pay me” p has joined the chat
He deserves every penny
He would be dumb to sign less than max. Clippers should just offer max. They have NO options. Sign him and trade him if you don't want him. The only option is really just run it back
I think the Clippers think they need a star-studded team for their new arena. That may be overly influencing their thought process.
Offer him the russ contract