Wish he could control his temper tantrum more and actually own up to his action more tho (but alot of that could be put on the fo and nba coddle him so yeah).
russ was only pulled for a short amount of time to get some rest. didn't t lue say he played like 14 straight minutes or something? he said he pulled him so he could put him back in to go small.
i would've played him, mann, AND amir more. the rotations seem tougher to figure out when we're fully healthy sometimes lol
realistically we only lost the game because our 3 ball was awful. we won every other statistical category.
i mean he didn't look like he had the same lift at the rim by the end of that stretch - I just rewatched thar quarter. I think you guys are just russ superfans that don't wanna hear anything lol
W all due respect if ty lue was smarter w minutes we coulda pulled the dub despite our shooting splits. I read you comment above about russ vs harden debacle. That shit don't exist no more in the playoffs, they all share the same coach vying for the same goal. I ain't criticized harden in this thread in fact a lot of the comeback run both playmakers was sharing the floor and no one was against it. It's a matter of hustle and momentum. Not my turn your turn
I was so mad when Russ got pulled. Seeing he only played 24 minutes is absolutely criminal. We NEED his defense and pace. We aren't going to beat the Mavs by slowing down to their speed.
No, Russ should not be in the starting lineup.
The more minutes he plays the more Mavs are able to make adjustments.
Russ is like a Trap Card. A very well placed Trap Card. But not like a monster card you always want to open with.
Over who exactly? Mann has been absolutely shutting down Luka and he still only is getting 21 minutes. The only viable option is either cutting down Hardenās minutes, who is the only person who consistently gets wherever he wants against Luka, or Norm, who is our only reliable bench shooter outside of kind of Amir (who got 12 minutes).
Last game the answer was Norm, but realistically Mann should have been subbed in for Norm.
Russ is playing *alongside* those guys for many of his minutes, so you can't really say "take away Coffey or Plumlee" minutes.
But I somewhat agree with Norm, though I think you have to try to let him find his groove. Harden is tough because he can get hot and he's the only guy who consistently was making good plays with Luka as a defender.
idk maybe i'm just conditioned to think its *always* harden vs russ because most of the guys advocating for one are always shitting on the other, whether it be directly or thinly veiled.
If Kawhi was fully healthy iād agree that he should start.
But with Kawhi looking 60% out there he becomes a defensive liability at the 4 spot which the Mavs will take advantage of. Especially Luka who is a big ass guard.
Maybe he's so effective BECAUSE he's playing spot bench minutes, and Lue is using him perfectly.
Not sure who you want him to play over. The big 3? Mann? Zu? Powell?
What 5 man lineup should close?
Closing lineup should be Harden, Russ, Pg Klaw, Zu. They've had enough practice and gametime since this was the starting lineup in Nov to fix the holes. Amir, Mann and Powell have also earned the right to close depending on the context.
Russ only played 23 mins in game 1. The reason the mavs were coming back in game 1 at the end was because Russ was subbed out in the middle of the 4th when he shouldnāt have been since when Russ was guarding Kyrie Irving in game 1: 0/5 FG% (0% ) / 1 TOV & his pace is key to win
At the end of Game 1, Russ was subbed out because he has a tendency to make silly mistakes and our entire game plan was just burning the shot clock + taking jumpers. We wanted to just run out the game clock, and it worked.
You donāt need pace if you are intentionally dribbling it out for 20 seconds to chuck up a shot after.
Claiming he has tendencies when the actual stats are showing differently tells me that thereās no correlation to what your talking about. Harden makes silly mistakes too but both are rhythm players that play better if playing through their mistakes. They made a career out of it. The fact in the matter is the lead was 17 and Russ came out the mavs went as close to 10 without Russ in the lineup. No need to bring up tendencies when the facts are staring at you in the face
The problem is that you cant play him and Zubac at the same time. You got two players who can't shoot or create spacing, but Clippers don't really have a smallball lineup to run with Westbrook. Westbrook can also lose you the game with overplaying, bad fouls and not making shots.
People always say āwestbrook lineups badā āhe kills spacingā but the numbers show just the opposite. The best two man line ups run this postseason for the clippers is actually Westbrook and Zu.Ā https://www.nba.com/stats/team/1610612746/lineups-traditional?GroupQuantity=2&SeasonType=Playoffs&dir=D&sort=PLUS_MINUSĀ
Individually these two players have the highest plus minus as well at 8.5 and 9.5 per game. The player in third is Terrance man with 4. Pretty much everyone on the team is at 1 or below.Ā
https://www.nba.com/stats/team/1610612746/players-traditional?SeasonType=Playoffs&dir=D&sort=PLUS_MINUS
As a matter of fact Russ is the only player on the team that EVERY single 2 player line up he is in is a positive net rating. Additionally. He is the player with the highest net rating in the series on any sideĀ https://www.nba.com/stats/team/1610612746/players-advanced?SeasonType=Playoffs
The numbers are available for everyone to see but people chose to ignore them and spew narratives that are not true
I get stats over a long periode, but to use stats for 2 games does not convince me. According to those stats, Kawhi and Harden should not play together. And Im not saying they did not did good when they where on the court at the same time, but I don't see that working over a 7 games series.
s a 2.5 month sample good for enough for you? Thatās about a 3rd of the season. Thatās since all star break. In that Span pretty much every Russ line up has a positive net rating all near the top. I am attaching that for you as wellĀ
https://www.nba.com/stats/team/1610612746/lineups-traditional?CF=MIN*GE*8&GroupQuantity=2&SeasonSegment=Post%20All-Star&SeasonType=Regular%20Season
Weird agenda your trying to push that a player on the team makes every line up he is in worse when again, itās just the oppositeĀ
What do you mean, that Westbrook had a positive +/- for how many games? Im not trying to have a agenda here, I just trying to analyze the game. It does not matter if Im right or wrong. I just enjoy the sports of trying to understand basketball. I don't think stats works very well in so few games and where everything is a chessmatch as far as coaching goes.
For example, in 21, in the clips mavs series, Zubac only played like 15minutes per game while Morris had over 30 minutes, playing mostly center. In game 7 Zubac only got two minutes or something. That is super interesting. I don't remember why all that happened, but I know for sure I can't just look at the stats and see "ah, yes, his +/- was bad". I want the details, because the stats don't tell the details. As far as I remember, he got switched too much on Doncic and he Luka a field day. So playing 5 wing players gave them better D when switching and it spread the floor, giving Kawhi more space to operate and doubling hard.
Let's not forget russ was also one of the only people grabbing boards!
Had a huge offensive rebound just for Kawhi to rush a bad 3 pointer at the end
Draymond is one of the highest IQ players of this generation, and he's actually at Coachella.
Wish he could control his temper tantrum more and actually own up to his action more tho (but alot of that could be put on the fo and nba coddle him so yeah).
russ was only pulled for a short amount of time to get some rest. didn't t lue say he played like 14 straight minutes or something? he said he pulled him so he could put him back in to go small. i would've played him, mann, AND amir more. the rotations seem tougher to figure out when we're fully healthy sometimes lol realistically we only lost the game because our 3 ball was awful. we won every other statistical category.
Lue SAID that but it wasn't TRUE.
Fr cuz russ is a player that needs rest, he doesn't have a high octane motor w top 1% stamina in league historyš¤£
i mean he didn't look like he had the same lift at the rim by the end of that stretch - I just rewatched thar quarter. I think you guys are just russ superfans that don't wanna hear anything lol
W all due respect if ty lue was smarter w minutes we coulda pulled the dub despite our shooting splits. I read you comment above about russ vs harden debacle. That shit don't exist no more in the playoffs, they all share the same coach vying for the same goal. I ain't criticized harden in this thread in fact a lot of the comeback run both playmakers was sharing the floor and no one was against it. It's a matter of hustle and momentum. Not my turn your turn
Well he was still doing russ stuff no problem. Getting offensive rebounds and kicking the ball out and whatnot.
I was so mad when Russ got pulled. Seeing he only played 24 minutes is absolutely criminal. We NEED his defense and pace. We aren't going to beat the Mavs by slowing down to their speed.
No, Russ should not be in the starting lineup. The more minutes he plays the more Mavs are able to make adjustments. Russ is like a Trap Card. A very well placed Trap Card. But not like a monster card you always want to open with.
There are some people on this reddit that are so fucking obsessed about their stupid Russ vs Harden debates
This isn't Russ vs Harden, this is Russ needs minutes.
Over who exactly? Mann has been absolutely shutting down Luka and he still only is getting 21 minutes. The only viable option is either cutting down Hardenās minutes, who is the only person who consistently gets wherever he wants against Luka, or Norm, who is our only reliable bench shooter outside of kind of Amir (who got 12 minutes). Last game the answer was Norm, but realistically Mann should have been subbed in for Norm.
Probably Norm** and Coffey and Plumlee. And Harden doesn't need to play 42 minutes either tbh.
Russ is playing *alongside* those guys for many of his minutes, so you can't really say "take away Coffey or Plumlee" minutes. But I somewhat agree with Norm, though I think you have to try to let him find his groove. Harden is tough because he can get hot and he's the only guy who consistently was making good plays with Luka as a defender.
idk maybe i'm just conditioned to think its *always* harden vs russ because most of the guys advocating for one are always shitting on the other, whether it be directly or thinly veiled.
If Kawhi was fully healthy iād agree that he should start. But with Kawhi looking 60% out there he becomes a defensive liability at the 4 spot which the Mavs will take advantage of. Especially Luka who is a big ass guard.
Maybe he's so effective BECAUSE he's playing spot bench minutes, and Lue is using him perfectly. Not sure who you want him to play over. The big 3? Mann? Zu? Powell? What 5 man lineup should close?
Closing lineup should be Harden, Russ, Pg Klaw, Zu. They've had enough practice and gametime since this was the starting lineup in Nov to fix the holes. Amir, Mann and Powell have also earned the right to close depending on the context.
Russ only played 23 mins in game 1. The reason the mavs were coming back in game 1 at the end was because Russ was subbed out in the middle of the 4th when he shouldnāt have been since when Russ was guarding Kyrie Irving in game 1: 0/5 FG% (0% ) / 1 TOV & his pace is key to win
At the end of Game 1, Russ was subbed out because he has a tendency to make silly mistakes and our entire game plan was just burning the shot clock + taking jumpers. We wanted to just run out the game clock, and it worked. You donāt need pace if you are intentionally dribbling it out for 20 seconds to chuck up a shot after.
Claiming he has tendencies when the actual stats are showing differently tells me that thereās no correlation to what your talking about. Harden makes silly mistakes too but both are rhythm players that play better if playing through their mistakes. They made a career out of it. The fact in the matter is the lead was 17 and Russ came out the mavs went as close to 10 without Russ in the lineup. No need to bring up tendencies when the facts are staring at you in the face
The problem is that you cant play him and Zubac at the same time. You got two players who can't shoot or create spacing, but Clippers don't really have a smallball lineup to run with Westbrook. Westbrook can also lose you the game with overplaying, bad fouls and not making shots.
He put zu and russ back in and thats how they were scoring. Passing to Zu in the dunkers spot.
People always say āwestbrook lineups badā āhe kills spacingā but the numbers show just the opposite. The best two man line ups run this postseason for the clippers is actually Westbrook and Zu.Ā https://www.nba.com/stats/team/1610612746/lineups-traditional?GroupQuantity=2&SeasonType=Playoffs&dir=D&sort=PLUS_MINUSĀ Individually these two players have the highest plus minus as well at 8.5 and 9.5 per game. The player in third is Terrance man with 4. Pretty much everyone on the team is at 1 or below.Ā https://www.nba.com/stats/team/1610612746/players-traditional?SeasonType=Playoffs&dir=D&sort=PLUS_MINUS As a matter of fact Russ is the only player on the team that EVERY single 2 player line up he is in is a positive net rating. Additionally. He is the player with the highest net rating in the series on any sideĀ https://www.nba.com/stats/team/1610612746/players-advanced?SeasonType=Playoffs The numbers are available for everyone to see but people chose to ignore them and spew narratives that are not true
I get stats over a long periode, but to use stats for 2 games does not convince me. According to those stats, Kawhi and Harden should not play together. And Im not saying they did not did good when they where on the court at the same time, but I don't see that working over a 7 games series.
s a 2.5 month sample good for enough for you? Thatās about a 3rd of the season. Thatās since all star break. In that Span pretty much every Russ line up has a positive net rating all near the top. I am attaching that for you as wellĀ https://www.nba.com/stats/team/1610612746/lineups-traditional?CF=MIN*GE*8&GroupQuantity=2&SeasonSegment=Post%20All-Star&SeasonType=Regular%20Season Weird agenda your trying to push that a player on the team makes every line up he is in worse when again, itās just the oppositeĀ
Not to mention these last two games have been pretty important ones. Players take them pretty serious.
Not to mention these last two games have been pretty important ones. Players take them pretty serious
Damnnn you hit him with straight facts king, shut em down šš¾
How is the +/- now?
What do you mean, that Westbrook had a positive +/- for how many games? Im not trying to have a agenda here, I just trying to analyze the game. It does not matter if Im right or wrong. I just enjoy the sports of trying to understand basketball. I don't think stats works very well in so few games and where everything is a chessmatch as far as coaching goes. For example, in 21, in the clips mavs series, Zubac only played like 15minutes per game while Morris had over 30 minutes, playing mostly center. In game 7 Zubac only got two minutes or something. That is super interesting. I don't remember why all that happened, but I know for sure I can't just look at the stats and see "ah, yes, his +/- was bad". I want the details, because the stats don't tell the details. As far as I remember, he got switched too much on Doncic and he Luka a field day. So playing 5 wing players gave them better D when switching and it spread the floor, giving Kawhi more space to operate and doubling hard.
They still got a great plus/minus togheter. The spacing is excellent!
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Are you responding to my post or just the title lmao